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#1 di_sgt_barber
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some of the most hyped games of this year are God of War 3, Modern Warfare 2, Bioshock 2, Uncharted 2, and Alan Wake.. however, history tells us that at least one of these games WILL flop. it happens every year; a game that gives us little reason to doubt its greatness will indeed piss most of us off. so, anyone got a hunch on what will be this year's Spore, Too Human, Lair, Haze, or Dark Sector? my money is on Bioshock 2, simply because.. there's no way they pulled off what they're promising in a mere 18 months. plus, it's a new team, and 2k is running the show from the verybeginning.

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#2 12345678ew
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modern warfare 2. i'll guarantee you, it's just like COD4, with a new engine if we're lucky.

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#3 PSfanboy101
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Common sense people! Alan Wake! The other games have a reason to be great and will not let us down.

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#4 porky_ownsu
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I didnt like the first bioshock, so I pray its bioshock 2, im at least going to play all of those other games.

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#5 Ek-Andy
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modern warfare 2. i'll guarantee you, it's just like COD4, with a new engine if we're lucky.

12345678ew

It will score 8 or 8.5. It will use the same engine and it will be more or less the same. Everyone will buy it and claim it to be the best thing since sliced bread with german suasage meat slices with a layer of butter, naturally. I wish it would flop, can't stand CoD4 and the way people talk about it as if it's the pinacle of the gaming experince. Why is this mediocre 5 hour long campagin, rambo kill fest multiplayer, video game one of the most popular ever made? There are just so many better games and this is the crap everyone talks about. Makes me kinda sick. It's like having some horrible Britney Spears album in a top 20 albums of all time.

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#6 warmaster670
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[QUOTE="12345678ew"]

modern warfare 2. i'll guarantee you, it's just like COD4, with a new engine if we're lucky.

Ek-Andy

It will score 8 or 8.5. It will use the same engine and it will be more or less the same. Everyone will buy it and claim it to be the best thing since sliced bread with german suasage meat slices with a layer of butter, naturally. I wish it would flop, can't stand CoD4 and the way people talk about it as if it's the pinacle of the gaming experince. Why is this mediocre 5 hour long campagin, rambo kill fest multiplayer, video game one of the most popular ever made? There are just so many better games and this is the crap everyone talks about. Makes me kinda sick. It's like having some horrible Britney Spears album in a top 20 albums of all time.

Interesting coming from a guy that rated CoD4 9.0/10...

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#7 tktomo01
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Hey, I thought Spore was awesome.... Anywho, I hope its Alan Wake, I don't even care about that game. And BTW, I wonder why Halo 3: ODST isn't on there? The expansion to the game that sold more copies than there are human beings will probably get a LOT of hype.
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#8 NinjaMonky
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for some odd reason GOW3 keeps poppin into mind:( I hope not though. This place will implode:o

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#9 di_sgt_barber
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[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

[QUOTE="12345678ew"]

modern warfare 2. i'll guarantee you, it's just like COD4, with a new engine if we're lucky.

It will score 8 or 8.5. It will use the same engine and it will be more or less the same. Everyone will buy it and claim it to be the best thing since sliced bread with german suasage meat slices with a layer of butter, naturally. I wish it would flop, can't stand CoD4 and the way people talk about it as if it's the pinacle of the gaming experince. Why is this mediocre 5 hour long campagin, rambo kill fest multiplayer, video game one of the most popular ever made? There are just so many better games and this is the crap everyone talks about. Makes me kinda sick. It's like having some horrible Britney Spears album in a top 20 albums of all time.

CoD4 did have a tight campaign, imo. something tells me MW2 will be on a lot of lists with DMC2, tho.
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Hard to tell...mmmmmmmmmmmmmm...maybe Bioshock 2, but the previews looks great, maybe Uncharted 2...nah, i dont think so, maybe Alan Wake, but i dont know much about the game...nop i dont know if any of these games will flop.

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#11 Ek-Andy
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[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

[QUOTE="12345678ew"]

modern warfare 2. i'll guarantee you, it's just like COD4, with a new engine if we're lucky.

warmaster670

It will score 8 or 8.5. It will use the same engine and it will be more or less the same. Everyone will buy it and claim it to be the best thing since sliced bread with german suasage meat slices with a layer of butter, naturally. I wish it would flop, can't stand CoD4 and the way people talk about it as if it's the pinacle of the gaming experince. Why is this mediocre 5 hour long campagin, rambo kill fest multiplayer, video game one of the most popular ever made? There are just so many better games and this is the crap everyone talks about. Makes me kinda sick. It's like having some horrible Britney Spears album in a top 20 albums of all time.

Interesting coming from a guy that rated CoD4 9.0/10...

Intresting that you took the time to check my profile to look for some poor attempt at ownage. What? Were you just browsing the same time as checking this topic and came across my profile just by sheer coincidence?

That's not meant to be set at 9, and I don't remember setting it to that. I'll change it now.

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#12 di_sgt_barber
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Hey, I thought Spore was awesome.... Anywho, I hope its Alan Wake, I don't even care about that game. And BTW, I wonder why Halo 3: ODST isn't on there? The expansion to the game that sold more copies than there are human beings will probably get a LOT of hype.tktomo01
it's not even worth mentioning. anyone not blinded by teh_gratenss_of_masterpeace_BBQ_OMGHALO3 knows it's just a map pack with a 3 hour bonus mission that's being marketed like it's Halo 4.
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Anywho, I hope its Alan Wake, I don't even care about that game.tktomo01
You hope it fails because you don't care about it? Okay...
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#14 di_sgt_barber
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Hard to tell...mmmmmmmmmmmmmm...maybe Bioshock 2, but the previews looks great, maybe Uncharted 2...nah, i dont think so, maybe Alan Wake, but i dont know much about the game...nop i dont know if any of these games will flop.

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do you live in the states? i will meet with you just to place a bet that either GoW3, Bioshock 2, MW2, or Alan Wake will be hard-spore failures.
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#15 tktomo01
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[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

It will score 8 or 8.5. It will use the same engine and it will be more or less the same. Everyone will buy it and claim it to be the best thing since sliced bread with german suasage meat slices with a layer of butter, naturally. I wish it would flop, can't stand CoD4 and the way people talk about it as if it's the pinacle of the gaming experince. Why is this mediocre 5 hour long campagin, rambo kill fest multiplayer, video game one of the most popular ever made? There are just so many better games and this is the crap everyone talks about. Makes me kinda sick. It's like having some horrible Britney Spears album in a top 20 albums of all time.

Interesting coming from a guy that rated CoD4 9.0/10...

Intresting that you took the time to check my profile to look for some poor attempt at ownage. What? Were you just browsing the same time as checking this topic and came across my profile just by sheer coincidence?

That's not meant to be set at 9, and I don't remember setting it to that. I'll change it now.

Not to be rude, but this caused me to browse your ratings as well, and the other CoDs are rated fairly high, and they all follow the same basic formula except for setting.
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#16 MetroidPrimePwn
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Common sense people! Alan Wake! The other games have a reason to be great and will not let us down.

- PSfanboy101

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Alan Wake is being developed by the same company that made Max Payne. I'm not hyped for the game, but it has just as much "guarantee" of being great as any of the other big hyped games of the year.

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#17 Ek-Andy
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[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

[QUOTE="12345678ew"]

modern warfare 2. i'll guarantee you, it's just like COD4, with a new engine if we're lucky.

di_sgt_barber

It will score 8 or 8.5. It will use the same engine and it will be more or less the same. Everyone will buy it and claim it to be the best thing since sliced bread with german suasage meat slices with a layer of butter, naturally. I wish it would flop, can't stand CoD4 and the way people talk about it as if it's the pinacle of the gaming experince. Why is this mediocre 5 hour long campagin, rambo kill fest multiplayer, video game one of the most popular ever made? There are just so many better games and this is the crap everyone talks about. Makes me kinda sick. It's like having some horrible Britney Spears album in a top 20 albums of all time.

CoD4 did have a tight campaign, imo. something tells me MW2 will be on a lot of lists with DMC2, tho.

Didn't like it. Too short. Seen it all before. Got really poor at points aswell. It was at it's best with the American and flashback (First part anyway.) sections. Outside of that it felt pretty uninspired. Couldn't stand the multiplayer after a while, I only really played it if I was playing with mates, but so repetitive I just got to the point where I would hide under trucks and plant claymores. Most the players are terrible aswell meaning it's ludicrously easy.

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#18 II_Seraphim_II
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Alan Wake and Modern Warfare 2 have the highest probability of failing. And Duke Nukem Forever (if that ever comes out). Bioshock 2 is also on very thing ice.
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#19 di_sgt_barber
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[QUOTE="tktomo01"]Anywho, I hope its Alan Wake, I don't even care about that game.Cherokee_Jack
You hope it fails because you don't care about it? Okay...

he's saying that since we all know that at least one huge game is going to fail, he wants it to be one he doesn't care about. i laughed pretty triumphantly when i saw ign-AU's review of halo 3.
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#20 404-not-found
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modern warfare 2. i'll guarantee you, it's just like COD4, with a new engine if we're lucky.

12345678ew
But it will not flop, people love the same rehashed crap, just look at the sales of COD4, which is worse than COD1 or even COD2.
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#21 tktomo01
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[QUOTE="tktomo01"]Anywho, I hope its Alan Wake, I don't even care about that game.Cherokee_Jack
You hope it fails because you don't care about it? Okay...

I didn't mean it to sound like that, but those other games I look forward to, not so with Alan Wake. In all honesty I think it wil be Bioshock 2, but I hope not.
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#22 Ek-Andy
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[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

Interesting coming from a guy that rated CoD4 9.0/10...

tktomo01

Intresting that you took the time to check my profile to look for some poor attempt at ownage. What? Were you just browsing the same time as checking this topic and came across my profile just by sheer coincidence?

That's not meant to be set at 9, and I don't remember setting it to that. I'll change it now.

Not to be rude, but this caused me to browse your ratings as well, and the other CoDs are rated fairly high, and they all follow the same basic formula except for setting.

I liked CoD 2, alot. Short, but it was alot better than any of the other ones. CoD 1 was and still is overated. That was a long time ago though, I don't even know what my ratings are anymore. I havn't checked them in about a year.

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#23 di_sgt_barber
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[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

[QUOTE="di_sgt_barber"][QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

It will score 8 or 8.5. It will use the same engine and it will be more or less the same. Everyone will buy it and claim it to be the best thing since sliced bread with german suasage meat slices with a layer of butter, naturally. I wish it would flop, can't stand CoD4 and the way people talk about it as if it's the pinacle of the gaming experince. Why is this mediocre 5 hour long campagin, rambo kill fest multiplayer, video game one of the most popular ever made? There are just so many better games and this is the crap everyone talks about. Makes me kinda sick. It's like having some horrible Britney Spears album in a top 20 albums of all time.

CoD4 did have a tight campaign, imo. something tells me MW2 will be on a lot of lists with DMC2, tho.

Didn't like it. Too short. Seen it all before. Got really poor at points aswell. It was at it's best with the American and flashback (First part anyway.) sections. Outside of that it felt pretty uninspired. Couldn't stand the multiplayer after a while, I only really played it if I was playing with mates, but so repetitive I just got to the point where I would hide under trucks and plant claymores. Most the players are terrible aswell meaning it's ludicrously easy.

i LIVED it, holmes.. it was a respectable story imo. yea the MP was pretty dumb, tho, and i agree with what parts of the campaign you said were best. who wants to play as a guy named Soap? i liked Gaz, though. reminded me of christian bale. good character imo. also liked how everybody died. the final chase was super lame, tho.
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#24 shawn7324
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No idea here, I'm looking more forward to games with little to no hype anyways.

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#25 tktomo01
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[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

[QUOTE="tktomo01"][QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

Intresting that you took the time to check my profile to look for some poor attempt at ownage. What? Were you just browsing the same time as checking this topic and came across my profile just by sheer coincidence?

That's not meant to be set at 9, and I don't remember setting it to that. I'll change it now.

Not to be rude, but this caused me to browse your ratings as well, and the other CoDs are rated fairly high, and they all follow the same basic formula except for setting.

I liked CoD 2, alot. Short, but it was alot better than any of the other ones. CoD 1 was and still is overated. That was a long time ago though, I don't even know what my ratings are anymore. I havn't checked them in about a year.

CoD 2 was pretty awesome. I also liked CoD4, not so with WaW, mainly because all it was was a WWII reskin of CoD4 with more gore.
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#26 haris12121212
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Call of Duty MW 2 won't flop no matter how much you guys want it too. The first one was amazing, campaign simply mindblowing... short? Yes... but still amazing! It.'s then succesor to one of the best fps of this gen... (CoD = GOTY and the best sales of a fps game eveR)
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#27 coughing
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My bet is on Bioshock 2 because the first one was fueled by its story. GoW, Uncharted, COD all have the same formulas - excellent action gameplay. Not saying Bioshock 2 will be bad, but it's going to need an even BETTER story than the first, and I don't see how the devs can pull one out of their asses, while Modern Warfare 2 we can basically brace ourselves for a another solid shooter, regardless of the story.

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#28 Ek-Andy
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[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

[QUOTE="di_sgt_barber"] CoD4 did have a tight campaign, imo. something tells me MW2 will be on a lot of lists with DMC2, tho.di_sgt_barber

Didn't like it. Too short. Seen it all before. Got really poor at points aswell. It was at it's best with the American and flashback (First part anyway.) sections. Outside of that it felt pretty uninspired. Couldn't stand the multiplayer after a while, I only really played it if I was playing with mates, but so repetitive I just got to the point where I would hide under trucks and plant claymores. Most the players are terrible aswell meaning it's ludicrously easy.

i LIVED it, holmes.. it was a respectable story imo. yea the MP was pretty dumb, tho, and i agree with what parts of the campaign you said were best. who wants to play as a guy named Soap? i liked Gaz, though. reminded me of christian bale. good character imo. also liked how everybody died. the final chase was super lame, tho.

It was ok. I thought the story was quite well done. It's about as good as you could expect, but as an overall package it just didn't add up for me. Not really as tight as CoD 2 in terms of pacing and actual fun. CoD 2 just had more variety and some truely spectacular moments. By comparison CoD 4 felt simply average. I also prefer the WW2 setting to be honest, I prefer the sense of drama and desperation.

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#29 di_sgt_barber
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[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

[QUOTE="di_sgt_barber"][QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

Didn't like it. Too short. Seen it all before. Got really poor at points aswell. It was at it's best with the American and flashback (First part anyway.) sections. Outside of that it felt pretty uninspired. Couldn't stand the multiplayer after a while, I only really played it if I was playing with mates, but so repetitive I just got to the point where I would hide under trucks and plant claymores. Most the players are terrible aswell meaning it's ludicrously easy.

i LIVED it, holmes.. it was a respectable story imo. yea the MP was pretty dumb, tho, and i agree with what parts of the campaign you said were best. who wants to play as a guy named Soap? i liked Gaz, though. reminded me of christian bale. good character imo. also liked how everybody died. the final chase was super lame, tho.

It was ok. I thought the story was quite well done. It's about as good as you could expect, but as an overall package it just didn't add up for me. Not really as tight as CoD 2 in terms of pacing and actual fun. CoD 2 just had more variety and some truely spectacular moments. By comparison CoD 4 felt simply average. I also prefer the WW2 setting to be honest, I prefer the sense of drama and desperation.

i prefer it as well. very snafu. i could definitely get into modern warfare games if you played as the poorly equipped, poorly organized terrorists, though; playing as an american is like playing as kratos in super mario world.
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#30 halo_wars86
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some of the most hyped games of this year are God of War 3, Modern Warfare 2, Bioshock 2, Uncharted 2, and Alan Wake.. however, history tells us that at least one of these games WILL flop. it happens every year; a game that gives us little reason to doubt its greatness will indeed piss most of us off. so, anyone got a hunch on what will be this year's Spore, Too Human, Lair, Haze, or Dark Sector? my money is on Bioshock 2, simply because.. there's no way they pulled off what they're promising in a mere 18 months. plus, it's a new team, and 2k is running the show from the verybeginning.

di_sgt_barber

probably alan wake will flop if one of the titles u listed flops. microsoft has a way of always disappointing. cant wait for alan wake but if it flops like too human i will not be surprised at all.

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#31 tmacscores91
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It appears that we can all agree that Uncharted 2, and god of war 3 is safe
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#32 uglyhippos
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[QUOTE="12345678ew"]

modern warfare 2. i'll guarantee you, it's just like COD4, with a new engine if we're lucky.

Ek-Andy

It will score 8 or 8.5. It will use the same engine and it will be more or less the same. Everyone will buy it and claim it to be the best thing since sliced bread with german suasage meat slices with a layer of butter, naturally. I wish it would flop, can't stand CoD4 and the way people talk about it as if it's the pinacle of the gaming experince. Why is this mediocre 5 hour long campagin, rambo kill fest multiplayer, video game one of the most popular ever made? There are just so many better games and this is the crap everyone talks about. Makes me kinda sick. It's like having some horrible Britney Spears album in a top 20 albums of all time.

Im not saying I disagree with your prediction but your analogy confuses the crap out of me.

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#33 BioShockOwnz
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I hope it's GoW3. The franchise has become dull and repetitive.

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#34 Syferonik
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I dont think anything will flop harder than MadWorld/Halo Wars but if sheeps are really hyping The Conduit as AAA then ouch this will be an ultimate flop of this year
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#35 Cherokee_Jack
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if sheeps are really hyping The Conduit as AAASyferonik
Only in your dreams.
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#36 jarhead20
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Im thinking modern warfare... Its like they're bleedin out the franchise with the games comin' out too quickly and they all end up being the same...

Ps. I liked spore too! not the revolutionary game they promised but a good one... Also Too Human for me its great!

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#37 jg4xchamp
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Bioshock 2. Playing as a Big Daddy just sounds really dumb.
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#38 jg4xchamp
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It appears that we can all agree that Uncharted 2, and god of war 3 is safetmacscores91
that depends if we mean flop flop or like a TP status flop.....in that case neither game is safe to be honest. God of War 3 could suffer the same fate as DMC and NG and get knocked for being too much of the same, and Uncharted wasn't exactly amazing...it was good.... That said Naughty Dog seems to be really focused to deliver a great game, and i highly doubt God of War 3 doesn't get 9s left and right.
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#39 SilverChimera
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the conduit.

halo odst. (but it will sell well)

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#40 sam280992
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Alan Wake.
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#41 obamanian
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Common sense people! Alan Wake! The other games have a reason to be great and will not let us down.

- PSfanboy101

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Alan Wake is the least possible, the team made Max Payne

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#42 zarshack
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hard to see any of those games flopping really, all except alan wake being sequels to good games. the only thing to say alan wake could flop is the fact that it is a new IP but with the amount of time spent making the game i dont think it will. If i had to say one of those games i think bioshock 2 has a chance of being a dissappointing title.

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#43 C_BozkurT_C
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[QUOTE="12345678ew"]

modern warfare 2. i'll guarantee you, it's just like COD4, with a new engine if we're lucky.

Ek-Andy

It will score 8 or 8.5. It will use the same engine and it will be more or less the same. Everyone will buy it and claim it to be the best thing since sliced bread with german suasage meat slices with a layer of butter, naturally. I wish it would flop, can't stand CoD4 and the way people talk about it as if it's the pinacle of the gaming experince. Why is this mediocre 5 hour long campagin, rambo kill fest multiplayer, video game one of the most popular ever made? There are just so many better games and this is the crap everyone talks about. Makes me kinda sick. It's like having some horrible Britney Spears album in a top 20 albums of all time.

actually, COD4 is "the pinnacle of the gaming experience." I've been gaming for 17 years now, and have never played as addictive/compelling a shooter as COD4. it's just that good, especially the multiplayer component.
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#44 McManus107
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I'm not sure on the hype but Heavy Rain will get 7-7.5 IMO Halo: ODST (Not sure what it gets,but it will proberly because it will be too short) Not sure on the hype but The Conduit to get either a six or a seven
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#45 Filthybastrd
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If one of those flop, I sure hope it's Modern Warfare 2.

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BioShock 2, Modern Warfare 2, Alan Wake, mark my words, quote me, these games will flop. guaranteed.

Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, God of War III and MAG wont flop. none of these games will score below 8.0, here or any other site.

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[QUOTE="Syferonik"]if sheeps are really hyping The Conduit as AAACherokee_Jack
Only in your dreams.

Nice avy update:P And i agree with you,AA tops
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#48 zarshack
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BioShock 2, Modern Warfare 2, Alan Wake, mark my words, quote me, these games will flop. guaranteed.

Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, God of War III and MAG wont flop. none of these games will score below 8.0, here or any other site.

xxThyLordxx

pretty much garanteed atleast 1 site out there will rate any of those games lower then 8.0 :P

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#49 MachoBuzzzy
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BioShock 2, Modern Warfare 2, Alan Wake, mark my words, quote me, these games will flop. guaranteed.

Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, God of War III and MAG wont flop. none of these games will score below 8.0, here or any other site.

xxThyLordxx
Yeah,like Bioshock 2 and is gonnna flop and MAG scores better than it:|
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#50 xxThyLordxx
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[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]

BioShock 2, Modern Warfare 2, Alan Wake, mark my words, quote me, these games will flop. guaranteed.

Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, God of War III and MAG wont flop. none of these games will score below 8.0, here or any other site.

MachoBuzzzy
Yeah,like Bioshock 2 and is gonnna flop and MAG scores better than it:|

wanna bet?