[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"]Look, stop trying to "split-hairs".... You know what I meant! Who would't be in a business to make money???RecklessTortugaWell then let me reword my question, where did he say he was entitled to make millions like you claimed he said?The real question is, why are you under the belief that he isn't concerned about making millions... He doesn't have to say it to make it "so"!!! I mean, is it really that hard for you to comprehend that he isn't just talking about making a mesly few-hundred-bucks??? See, this is exactly my point, If people don't have anymore ammunition to debate any farther, they start splitting-hairs on stupid stuff... Who cares if the guy said it or not; the fact is, he's running a business, obviously, no one wants to run a business with only the ambition to make hundreds or just, thousands... What would be the point??? The fact is, if this guy is unwilling to compete, then maybe he should go back and cry to his momma... I mean, seriously, I suppose other video game development companies like, Crytek, Dice, Rockstar, Nintendo, Sony, Remedy, should pack up and close their doors just so this little guys business can strive just a little? You don't actually know how this works do you? He never said he was unwilling to compete, again you're putting words in his mouth. Other development companies like the ones you mentioned aren't affected by PSN going down as much as he is. For them 3 weeks his game wasn't able to sell on PSN, so because of that he lacks a form of income to pay all of his employees with. Also you completely ignored my post up above :wink:
Man I swear, Game Developers are a bunch of whinny little cry-babies...
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[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"]The real question is, why are you under the belief that he isn't concerned about making millions... He doesn't have to say it to make it "so"!!! I mean, is it really that hard for you to comprehend that he isn't just talking about making a mesly few-hundred-bucks??? See, this is exactly my point, If people don't have anymore ammunition to debate any farther, they start splitting-hairs on stupid stuff... Who cares if the guy said it or not; the fact is, he's running a business, obviously, no one wants to run a business with only the ambition to make hundreds or just, thousands... What would be the point??? The fact is, if this guy is unwilling to compete, then maybe he should go back and cry to his momma... I mean, seriously, I suppose other video game development companies like, Crytek, Dice, Rockstar, Nintendo, Sony, Remedy, should pack up and close their doors just so this little guys business can strive just a little?RecklessTortugaYou don't actually know how this works do you? He never said he was unwilling to compete, again you're putting words in his mouth. Other development companies like the ones you mentioned aren't affected by PSN going down as much as he is. For them 3 weeks his game wasn't able to sell on PSN, so because of that he lacks a form of income to pay all of his employees with. Also you completely ignored my post up above :wink:Oh, and I suppose you do??? It's funny how people can ask me, "what do I know about running a business like, this guy" but yet, they insist on thinking, they know a thing or two on what this guy is getting at; Sooooo contradictory!!! The fact that most of you think any business man knows what he's talking about when it come to consumer needs is laughable; Not most of them are like that but, definitely some... Especially this guy! You can quote me on all my little nick-picks all day if you want but, it want defeat the bigger picture... You keep trying to re-quote on what his other views were about without putting focus on the one that counts; which was the point of my thread in the first place... It's obviouse this guy doesn't want to compete because Sony has a business to run too; Because of hackers, Sony had to endure a unfortunate set-back at the expense of PS3 and PSN users. Sony had to shut down PSN for almost a whole month so they could fix the problem; For us and for this ungrateful jackass as well; Sony is trying to make up for the inconvenience by offering two free games to it's fan base but, this guy doesn't see it that way. Basically, his thoughts are, "don't give away free stuff to these people cause, now, they won't buy my stuff"... The guy is a selfish prick Sony has a business to run also; And just like him, they have to do what they have to do... If the guy doesn't like that idea, then he needs to find a new line of work... Cause if it isn't Sony who is interfering with the structure of his business, then, it would inevitably be something else... Otherwise, he's making excuses!!! Wow, you really don't know much about this do you? Do you know how Sony makes money off of PSN? It's from the stuff the sell on it. Every thing that's sold on it, Sony gets a cut of the money. If this guy's company and others find a new line of work then Sony won't be making money from the games they sold. It's also all Sony's fault that they lost profit for 3 weeks, so Sony wasn't the only one who had to endure, all the devs who make games like that also had to endure through it. Without the PSN their games don't get sold on the PS3 and that's a loss of money for the companies, which you seem to be ignoring. Yet again you're trying to put words in his mouth to try and help your argument, he never said don't give away free stuff.
Oh, and I suppose you do??? It's funny how people can ask me, "what do I know about running a business like, this guy" but yet, they insist on thinking, they know a thing or two on what this guy is getting at; Sooooo contradictory!!! The fact that most of you think any business man knows what he's talking about when it come to consumer needs is laughable; Not most of them are like that but, definitely some... Especially this guy! You can quote me on all my little nick-picks all day if you want but, it want defeat the bigger picture... You keep trying to re-quote on what his other views were about without putting focus on the one that counts; which was the point of my thread in the first place... It's obviouse this guy doesn't want to compete because Sony has a business to run too; Because of hackers, Sony had to endure a unfortunate set-back at the expense of PS3 and PSN users. Sony had to shut down PSN for almost a whole month so they could fix the problem; For us and for this ungrateful jackass as well; Sony is trying to make up for the inconvenience by offering two free games to it's fan base but, this guy doesn't see it that way. Basically, his thoughts are, "don't give away free stuff to these people cause, now, they won't buy my stuff"... The guy is a selfish prick Sony has a business to run also; And just like him, they have to do what they have to do... If the guy doesn't like that idea, then he needs to find a new line of work... Cause if it isn't Sony who is interfering with the structure of his business, then, it would inevitably be something else... Otherwise, he's making excuses!!!
RecklessTortuga
You're missing what soulitane's been trying to tell you this whole thread: The whole shutdown didn't just affect gamers, it affected game sales. As the owners of PSN Store, it's Sony's job to ensure that all developers have their games promoted such that the developers get the sales they want and thus promote further use of the service. By trying to make up for the ordeal [which they totally don't have to considering PSN's a free service] with free games, Sony will blindly push away other developers who use PSN Store.
[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"]Oh, and I suppose you do??? It's funny how people can ask me, "what do I know about running a business like, this guy" but yet, they insist on thinking, they know a thing or two on what this guy is getting at; Sooooo contradictory!!! The fact that most of you think any business man knows what he's talking about when it come to consumer needs is laughable; Not most of them are like that but, definitely some... Especially this guy! You can quote me on all my little nick-picks all day if you want but, it want defeat the bigger picture... You keep trying to re-quote on what his other views were about without putting focus on the one that counts; which was the point of my thread in the first place... It's obviouse this guy doesn't want to compete because Sony has a business to run too; Because of hackers, Sony had to endure a unfortunate set-back at the expense of PS3 and PSN users. Sony had to shut down PSN for almost a whole month so they could fix the problem; For us and for this ungrateful jackass as well; Sony is trying to make up for the inconvenience by offering two free games to it's fan base but, this guy doesn't see it that way. Basically, his thoughts are, "don't give away free stuff to these people cause, now, they won't buy my stuff"... The guy is a selfish prick Sony has a business to run also; And just like him, they have to do what they have to do... If the guy doesn't like that idea, then he needs to find a new line of work... Cause if it isn't Sony who is interfering with the structure of his business, then, it would inevitably be something else... Otherwise, he's making excuses!!! RecklessTortugaWow, you really don't know much about this do you? Do you know how Sony makes money off of PSN? It's from the stuff the sell on it. Every thing that's sold on it, Sony gets a cut of the money. If this guy's company and others find a new line of work then Sony won't be making money from the games they sold. It's also all Sony's fault that they lost profit for 3 weeks, so Sony wasn't the only one who had to endure, all the devs who make games like that also had to endure through it. Without the PSN their games don't get sold on the PS3 and that's a loss of money for the companies, which you seem to be ignoring. Yet again you're trying to put words in his mouth to try and help your argument, he never said don't give away free stuff.And just like I told you before, it's the cost of "business"... If this world was meant to be perfect, we'd all be in heaven now!!! Appearently, you and this guy need a reality-check... ...and you still keep going back to his other view, which I've already told you I agreed on... Seriously, think about what you're writting before you post! THIS... IS... ABOUT... THE... FREE... GAMES... CONCERN... SECTION... OF... HIS... ARGUMENT... Which he has a valid point, the free games might make people not buy the new PSN games. That is all he said, nothing more, you can look deeper if you want but he only said that it might make people not buy the new PSN games.
[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"]Well, what can I say? It's the cost of running a risky business... If this guy isn't willing to compete, then maybe he should look for a new line of work!!! This guy is obviously under the impression that, because he makes a game, he should automatically be entitle to make millions without any interference or interruptions from the outside world... Whether it be other people trying to run a business as well.RecklessTortugaHe never said he wanted to make million, where did you get that from?Look, stop trying to "split-hairs".... You know what I meant! Who would't be in a business to make money??? Which gives a legitimate reason to be concerned when you don't make nearly as much
How dare developers try to make money to recoup for their production costs and for their livelihoods! How DARE THEY?!
...Yeah, ok! Well I tell you what, you continue to be concerned for some of these guys putting your money in their pockets while, they sell you whatever garbage they develop... I mean seriously, does "outland" seem like a AAA or AA title to you??? Go look at the game footage of this game and you tell me you would buy it!?!? So you've played to determine the game is that bad? I have the trial of it. You're right its audacity for them to put so much work in a game and demand to get paid for their effort. What is the world coming to? I find it really funny you called the TC's statement audacity considering you're a Sony hateboy and you're now just looking for any reason to demonized the fact Sony is giving out free games. I can see where both the TC and the Outland developer are coming from but Sony is in some really deep crap right now and if they go under they won't be able to make money from PSN period.[QUOTE="RecklessTortuga"][QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"] Or maybe he runs a company that needs to make money to keep the company running. How dare a game developer worry about making money when they should just give all there games away for free and rely on pan handling to meet those mundane expenses like employee salaries and utilities?
KevinnButlerNPK
OMG I used to see you as one of the smarter posters but again, READ THE OP! Its just an indie developer concerned about being overshadowed by free games and if they are concerned about that they could probably port Outland to more platforms such as smartphones or Steam which are both much better platforms for indie games.How dare developers try to make money to recoup for their production costs and for their livelihoods! How DARE THEY?!
Vesica_Prime
Just to be clear the TC isn't complaining about the indie game being over priced or anything he is just annoied with how whinney the indie developer is being towards Sony trying to save their own ass and the indie developer can easily move else where.
What about people insulting the TC? Most of the first posters just mocked the PC ala "How dare the dare people try to make money!!" Like they never read the first post.Here's a pro tip: if you're going to make a thread and argue a point, your thread isn't going to stay open very long if you just start attacking and insulting everyone who disagrees with you.
Teufelhuhn
OMG I used to see you as one of the smarter posters but again, READ THE OP! Its just an indie developer concerned about being overshadowed by free games and if they are concerned about that they could probably port Outland to more platforms such as smartphones or Steam which are both much better platforms for indie games.[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]
How dare developers try to make money to recoup for their production costs and for their livelihoods! How DARE THEY?!
Nerkcon
Just to be clear the TC isn't complaining about the indie game being over priced or anything he is just annoied with how whinney the indie developer is being towards Sony trying to save their own ass and the indie developer can easily move else where.
Housemarque CEO Ilari Kuittinen revealed that his company had no say in the decision to make its downloadable shooter Dead Nation one of the free titles (it was up to Sony and the game's publisher, Ubisoft), and he's worried that it may negatively impact the sales of its newest game, Outland.
"I mean, seriously, why can't these guys just shut up and make the games..."
I interpreted this as "stop whining that your game was made free without your consent and go slave away on another game that might not sell well."
OMG I used to see you as one of the smarter posters but again, READ THE OP! Its just an indie developer concerned about being overshadowed by free games and if they are concerned about that they could probably port Outland to more platforms such as smartphones or Steam which are both much better platforms for indie games.[QUOTE="Nerkcon"]
[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]
How dare developers try to make money to recoup for their production costs and for their livelihoods! How DARE THEY?!
Vesica_Prime
Just to be clear the TC isn't complaining about the indie game being over priced or anything he is just annoied with how whinney the indie developer is being towards Sony trying to save their own ass and the indie developer can easily move else where.
Housemarque CEO Ilari Kuittinen revealed that his company had no say in the decision to make its downloadable shooter Dead Nation one of the free titles (it was up to Sony and the game's publisher, Ubisoft), and he's worried that it may negatively impact the sales of its newest game, Outland.
"I mean, seriously, why can't these guys just shut up and make the games..."
I interpreted this as "stop whining that your game was made free without your consent and go slave away on another game that might not sell well."
We seemed to have both got something different from the news. If I were in their shoes I would be scared about the future of my company too. But what I don't understand is why can't they move to a different platform? Consoles, either retail full games or downloadable, are far from the best place to make a name for yourself as a new time developer. I am tired right now so I may be reading this wrong, are the developers actually owned by someone and don't have a choice other than PSN?
There are a few devs that are whiney cry-babies. Crytek, Ninja Theory, ect. But these small studios barely making enough to scrape by, they have a legitimate concern. Look at the guys who made SSHD and Dead Nation. Both their games are being offered for free (I'm sure they're being compensated) but their new release will be missed because of this. Very unfortunate.
^ This, he has proved it with every post he's made so far lol.TC has absolutely no clue on how game development or game businesses works.
garland51
^ This, he has proved it with every post he's made so far lol.and I suppose you two do know what it takes to run a business, right? So easy for you to try and disregard the point of the thread cause you have no smart answer...[QUOTE="garland51"]
TC has absolutely no clue on how game development or game businesses works.
jasonharris48
TC I hope you see the fact that these 'complaints' does speak for the psn indie developers that are making things at the current time. With no ways to test their work, AND with something like the dead nation team getting their product released for free without their own consent? I think anyone would be mad.
Plus, people make games to make money, and thats also true for the people who work for the people who decides to make the games. If the game doesn't get released on time and generate the revenue the developers accounted for when they planned out the development, how would the workers get paid? This PSN outage is both demoralizing and financially harmful for indie devs like these guys.
Housemarque CEO Ilari Kuittinen revealed that his company had no say in the decision to make its downloadable shooter Dead Nation one of the free titles (it was up to Sony and the game's publisher, Ubisoft), and he's worried that it may negatively impact the sales of its newest game, Outland.
"I mean, seriously, why can't these guys just shut up and make the games..."
I interpreted this as "stop whining that your game was made free without your consent and go slave away on another game that might not sell well."
Vesica_Prime
The authority they have over their own resources is written in the contract they have agreed to with Ubisoft. They have nothing to whine about regarding their game going F2P.
If the CEO is worried about his company's games being overshadowed it means he's insecure about their quality. Look at Steam's top seller right now and tell me with a straight face this guy's concerns are legit.
[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]
Housemarque CEO Ilari Kuittinen revealed that his company had no say in the decision to make its downloadable shooter Dead Nation one of the free titles (it was up to Sony and the game's publisher, Ubisoft), and he's worried that it may negatively impact the sales of its newest game, Outland.
"I mean, seriously, why can't these guys just shut up and make the games..."
I interpreted this as "stop whining that your game was made free without your consent and go slave away on another game that might not sell well."
Mograine
The authority they have over their own resources is written in the contract they have agreed to with Ubisoft. They have nothing to whine about regarding their game going F2P.
If the CEO is worried about his company's games being overshadowed it means he's insecure about their quality. Look at Steam's top seller right now and tell me with a straight face this guy's concerns are legit.
May I ask you to read over what you just posted, and if you truly believe in that then....just wow.
Simply, you(like TC) have no idea how the game business or even business in general works at all.
PSdual_wielder
Why do you make it sound like you do?
This industry is almost infamous of the scenarios that sometimes success from a game have nothing to do with the quality of the product and is in no control by any one person or group of people.
PSdual_wielder
All the odds of their game's success are against them. Applying the very logic you just stated to them is nothing but potential success.
See the success indie games are having? Are those simple coincidences like the "sometimes" you just said? Or is it just that those developers realize being paranoid about sales and not concerning themselves with making a good game is the wrong way to do business?
If you think the dev in question is making his complaints because of 'insecurity' and therefore the failure of his company will make you happy then that just means two things: you obviously don't possess the intellect of analyzing his situation in a reasonable and informed manner and you don't have no sympathy or have an overly cynical morality.
PSdual_wielder
What's to analyze? He's more concerned about selling than making a good game. Now that I think about it, perhaps that's because he's a CEO and not a developer. Nevertheless that's not how a entertainer's mind should work.
The only legit complain I can see of his is that they couldn't test the online parts properly. This is the only part where you apply your "sometimes".
[QUOTE="Mograine"]
[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]
May I ask you to read over what you just posted, and if you truly believe in that then....just wow.
PSdual_wielder
Either elaborate or don't post at all.
Simply, you(like TC) have no idea how the game business or even business in general works at all. This industry is almost infamous of the scenarios that sometimes success from a game have nothing to do with the quality of the product and is in no control by any one person or group of people. If you think the dev in question is making his complaints because of 'insecurity' and therefore the failure of his company will make you happy then that just means two things: you obviously don't possess the intellect of analyzing his situation in a reasonable and informed manner and you don't have no sympathy or have an overly cynical morality.
Here we go with this " you have no idea how to run a business" crap again... (as if any of you would know!)... Seriously, any "legitamit" business man will tell you that running a business is a risk in itself... There are no guaranties! If any of you had a real job, you would know this... I don't care if you work for the Hospital, if you're a bus driver, or you work for freekin' McDonalds, EVERY business has to compete; Example: If Burger King starts giving away free burgers for a limited promotional purpose and McDonalds decides to keep selling there burgers at regular price, then guess what, people are gonna start flocking to Burger King. It's nothing "personal" but, it's what they feel they have to do for better business purposes and McDonalds is just going to have to learn to compete with that... The guy in the article clearly has no honor when it come to running a risky business such as, being an independent developer; Surly, he feels whining about it to gamers is a much more reasonable approach... Clearly, Sony has enough to deal with rather than, worry about this guys game not making the "top ten".
Yeah maybe they're being a little silly with that. But I think that if they release a good game, people will buy it. Even if it isn't on the front page of the store for half a week longer than it will be :roll:
Don't worry, the bad man isn't going to come and take away your free games. He's just expressing his concern on how the whole PSN fiasco will affect their title, it's kinda his job, you know, being the CEO and all.ManicAceYeah... Being a CEO means, worrying more about how your company is going to get it's product into consumers homes; Not whining on video game websites and putting the blame on stupid stuff like, people getting free content!
[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"][QUOTE="Mograine"]
Either elaborate or don't post at all.
RecklessTortuga
Simply, you(like TC) have no idea how the game business or even business in general works at all. This industry is almost infamous of the scenarios that sometimes success from a game have nothing to do with the quality of the product and is in no control by any one person or group of people. If you think the dev in question is making his complaints because of 'insecurity' and therefore the failure of his company will make you happy then that just means two things: you obviously don't possess the intellect of analyzing his situation in a reasonable and informed manner and you don't have no sympathy or have an overly cynical morality.
Here we go with this " you have no idea how to run a business" crap again... (as if any of you would know!)... Seriously, any "legitamit" business man will tell you that running a business is a risk in itself... There are no guaranties! If any of you had a real job, you would know this... I don't care if you work for the Hospital, if you're a bus driver, or you work for freekin' McDonalds, EVERY business has to compete; Example: If Burger King starts giving away free burgers for a limited promotional purpose and McDonalds decides to keep selling there burgers at regular price, then guess what, people are gonna start flocking to Burger King. It's nothing "personal" but, it's what they feel they have to do for better business purposes and McDonalds is just going to have to learn to compete with that... The guy in the article clearly has no honor when it come to running a risky business such as, being an independent developer; Surly, he feels whining about it to gamers is a much more reasonable approach... Clearly, Sony has enough to deal with rather than, worry about this guys game not making the "top ten". You say Sony has enough to worry about but they should also be worrying about these developers. They are what keep PSN afloat in the first place. The only way Sony makes money for the PSN is off of the things that sell on it. If things don't get sold then they don't make money, it's that simple. If these developers don't like the way they are treated on the platform they can move to another platform since every single system this gen has downloadable games. Also why does he have to honor Sony? It's their fault his company lost a form of income for 3 weeks.Exactly what I've been trying to tell these people... gesh... If people want it, they'll go buy it... Two mesly free content give away, is not gonna determine people's overall exception of his game...Yeah maybe they're being a little silly with that. But I think that if they release a good game, people will buy it. Even if it isn't on the front page of the store for half a week longer than it will be :roll:
good_sk8er7
This is exactly how I feel. I can't believe there are actually people like PSdual_wielder that honestly believe video games and (and probably other forms of entertainment) have nothing to do with quality, just timing and advertising. They are the kind of people who will go into the video gaming business and demand the people below him to only make games that are in the genre that is selling like FPSes and MMOs right now and over flood those markets with so-so quality at best and cause some real harm with oversaturation. (I believe that in the coming year or so the MMO market or maybe even all online gaming markets will suddenly start to sink because the market will stop expanding when the fad dies down and there simply won't be enough of online gamers to go around. Very few online games will have a decent population.) But at least he actually believes in what hes saying unlike KevinnButlerNPK who is just gasping at any chance to demonized Sony and their supporters.Yeah maybe they're being a little silly with that. But I think that if they release a good game, people will buy it. Even if it isn't on the front page of the store for half a week longer than it will be :roll:
good_sk8er7
You say Sony has enough to worry about but they should also be worrying about these developers. They are what keep PSN afloat in the first place. The only way Sony makes money for the PSN is off of the things that sell on it. If things don't get sold then they don't make money, it's that simple. If these developers don't like the way they are treated on the platform they can move to another platform since every single system this gen has downloadable games. Also why does he have to honor Sony? It's their fault his company lost a form of income for 3 weeks.soulitaneNo ones stopping this guy from selling his game else where... ...and PSN being down is the fault of the hackers; Sony is trying to fix that problem so that it won't happen again! But on top of all that, if you seriously believe, Sony would risk giving away free online on the risk of depending on these guys sales, then you truely are hopelessly, blind... Yeah, Sony makes money from the indi games but, the free online come from the basses that you shouldn't have to pay for something that's, otherwise, free to the world; I mean, if you would like to use you logic then, maybe selling crappy games like this guy's games and not making a profit is the reason Sony is now offering premium psn...
Yeah... Being a CEO means, worrying more about how your company is going to get it's product into consumers homes; Not whining on video game websites and putting the blame on stupid stuff like, people getting free content!RecklessTortugaThe only whining I see is from you, he's giving an interview about possible issues they might face when the marketplace gets back up, absolutely nothing wrong with that.
[QUOTE="good_sk8er7"] Yeah maybe they're being a little silly with that. But I think that if they release a good game, people will buy it. Even if it isn't on the front page of the store for half a week longer than it will be :roll: NerkconThis is exactly how I feel. I can't believe there are actually people like PSdual_wielder that honestly believe video games and (and probably other forms of entertainment) have nothing to do with quality, just timing and advertising. They are the kind of people who will go into the video gaming business and demand the people below him to only make games that are in the genre that is selling like FPSes and MMOs right now and over flood those markets with so-so quality at best and cause some real harm with oversaturation. (I believe that in the coming year or so the MMO market or maybe even all online gaming markets will suddenly start to sink because the market will stop expanding when the fad dies down and there simply won't be enough of online gamers to go around. Very few online games will have a decent population.) But at least he actually believes in what hes saying unlike KevinnButlerNPK who is just gasping at any chance to demonized Sony and their supporters.It's a bit naive to think that good games always sell just like that. This isn't some CoD we're talking about, it's a small game. I visit gaming sites every day, I played and liked their last game, yet didn't know about Outland.
Often the bulk of the sales comes soon after release, having free 1st party AAA games and other new titles competing for the attention is surely gonna affect sales.
As for going elsewhere if they don't like it, they propably have contracts in place to bring the game out for PSN, and they might not have the funding to develop on other systems until they get more sales on the current ones. I doubt anyone could had guessed PSN going down like this.
Anyway, I hope the people crucifying this guy at least enjoy the free games from him.
They're legit concerns, but it doesnt seem they aren't thinking about the big picture being the security of the system in general. Free games on another note, is something that is understandable, because of the outrage from people. Unfortunate that they had absolutely no say in the matter, but it is what it is.
His concerns are legit. The store has been down for almost a month in which they could make no money and now they find out that without even telling them Sony has decided to put some of their product that is already available for free when the store comes back up further putting them in the hole.
They are getting screwed. it's good for us, but he's got a very good point.. He's got a business to run.Some of you guys seem to think that video games are made by 3 dudes with pixie dust and that the costs of developing a title don't mean much.As long as you get something free, who give a rats ass?
And for the people that say "If the gsme is good it will sell" What kind of fantasy land are you living in? There are always great games out there that get overlooked for various reasons. Anyone remember a game called Okami?
They are more concerned about sales than about making good games.
If they declared bankruptcy tomorrow I'd be happy.
Mograine
have you played outland? if you have then you know it's a pretty damn "good" game. the game came out over 3 weeks ago and hasn't been able to be sold to ps3 users, why shouldn't he be worried? you wouldn't be? you make no sense. what in god's name would make you think the developers are not concerned about making a good game? what gave you this idea? i know it's a lot of questions but just read slowly...
seems like pretty legitimate concerns to me.
1.Pushing games out to catch up.
2.Pushing out more games thus covering up recently released games.
3.Games being offered free without the developers knowledge or say so.
Any developer would be rightfully concerned specially about trying to push games out that haven't received nearly as much online testing as they should so as to catch up with release schedules.
*mind you if Microsoft did this they'd be crucified here on system wars at this point*
Yes forget about that 88% on gamerankings for Outland.:roll: With Outland they deserve some sales.
Wanderer5
And Minecraft has not available on gamerankings and still went ahead and sold over 2 millions.
BLOPS too has 88% on gamerankings.
Given these odds then he shouldn't be worried about sales at all.
have you played outland? if you have then you know it's a pretty damn "good" game. the game came out over 3 weeks ago and hasn't been able to be sold to ps3 users, why shouldn't he be worried? you wouldn't be? you make no sense. what in god's name would make you think the developers are not concerned about making a good game? what gave you this idea? i know it's a lot of questions but just read slowly...
lazerface216
Count those 3 weeks as pushing the game's release 3 weeks ahead then. Not that much of a big deal considering it's Ubisoft that's funding them.
He has no reason to be so concerned.
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have you played outland? if you have then you know it's a pretty damn "good" game. the game came out over 3 weeks ago and hasn't been able to be sold to ps3 users, why shouldn't he be worried? you wouldn't be? you make no sense. what in god's name would make you think the developers are not concerned about making a good game? what gave you this idea? i know it's a lot of questions but just read slowly...
Mograine
Count those 3 weeks as pushing the game's release 3 weeks ahead then. Not that much of a big deal considering it's Ubisoft that's funding them.
He has no reason to be so concerned.
yeah, not that big of a deal with every other game that was supposed to come out in the last month releasing too. he has absolutely no reason to worry about his game getting overlooked on PSN, especially with sony handing out free games. :roll:
believe what you want babe, i'm sure you've been in his position.
Gamers are way bigger complainers.Just look at SW.
Lto_thaG
:lol: THIS. petty pieces of **** they are.
yeah, not that big of a deal with every other game that was supposed to come out in the last month releasing too. he has absolutely no reason to worry about his game getting overlooked on PSN, especially with sony handing out free games. :roll:
believe what you want babe, i'm sure you've been in his position.
lazerface216
There's plenty of free games on PC. If you were to play through every game on major flash gaming sites you'd be busy for months. I don't see anyone complaining about getting overlooked by them.
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