Manhunt 2 --- It's going to sell terribly on Wii...RockStar will regret it...

The Wii, like the Gamecube, is going to end up being a 3rd party curse for developers.  RockStar is going to regret the time they took making Manhunt 2 for Wii.  I really don't think sheep want that kinda game on their system.  I really don't.  I'll happily play it...but I've always gotten the vibe that sheep don't care too much for ultraviolent games in the 1st place. 

If they did, they would buy a PS2 and/or Xbox.  Gamecube didn't have nearly as many M-rated, violent titles as PS2 or Xbox.  Wii is also selling to people who have never played games b4.  Those type of people are probably more prone to liking Wii Sports and minigames...not ultraviolent, bloody games. 

RockStar will regret this decision, and will probably never consider making another game for a Nintendo console ever again.  PS2 version though will sell really well, of couse. 

The Wii, like the Gamecube, is going to end up being a 3rd party curse for developers. RockStar is going to regret the time they took making Manhunt 2 for Wii. I really don't think sheep want that kinda game on their system. I really don't. I'll happily play it...but I've always gotten the vibe that sheep don't care too much for ultraviolent games in the 1st place.

If they did, they would buy a PS2 and/or Xbox. Gamecube didn't have nearly as many M-rated, violent titles as PS2 or Xbox. Wii is also selling to people who have never played games b4. Those type of people are probably more prone to liking Wii Sports and minigames...not ultraviolent, bloody games.

RockStar will regret this decision, and will probably never consider making another game for a Nintendo console ever again. PS2 version though will sell really well, of couse.

AvIdGaMeR444

no chance 

So many people in system wars seem to have full functional crystal balls, Were do I get mine?Marka1700

Ok system wars, if your a sheep and did not have a PS2 or xbox and never played a violent game, post here. I sure own a PS2 and played violent games and I'm sure most of you did too.goblaa

Ok, I get what you're saying, but 3rd party games just don't sell all that well on Nintendo consoles....especially M-rated titles.  Geist sold terribly...it was Miyamoto produced even.  RE4 actually sold OK, but Capcom feared it wouldn't and ported it to PS2.  Why?  Because the 1st RE game that came to Gamecube, as well as the susequent ports, didn't sell all that well.  Eternal Darkness?  That sold really badly. 

M-rated titles just don't sell well typically on Nintendo consoles.  The exception to this is RARE games on N64.  GoldenEye and Perfect Dark sold really well.  I just don't think Manhunt 2 will sell well on Wii.  I hope I'm wrong though, and that it does sell well, because I like RockStar's games (well, most of them).  And I would like for RockStar to continue supporting Wii.  I guess we'll just see what happens. 

Ok, I get what you're saying, but 3rd party games just don't sell all that well on Nintendo consoles....especially M-rated titles. Geist sold terribly...it was Miyamoto produced even. RE4 actually sold OK, but Capcom feared it wouldn't and ported it to PS2. Why? Because the 1st RE game that came to Gamecube, as well as the susequent ports, didn't sell all that well. Eternal Darkness? That sold really badly.

M-rated titles just don't sell well typically on Nintendo consoles. The exception to this is RARE games on N64. GoldenEye and Perfect Dark sold really well. I just don't think Manhunt 2 will sell well on Wii. I hope I'm wrong though, and that it does sell well, because I like RockStar's games (well, most of them). And I would like for RockStar to continue supporting Wii. I guess we'll just see what happens.

AvIdGaMeR444

[QUOTE="goblaa"]Ok system wars, if your a sheep and did not have a PS2 or xbox and never played a violent game, post here. I sure own a PS2 and played violent games and I'm sure most of you did too.AvIdGaMeR444

Ok, I get what you're saying, but 3rd party games just don't sell all that well on Nintendo consoles....especially M-rated titles. Geist sold terribly...it was Miyamoto produced even. RE4 actually sold OK, but Capcom feared it wouldn't and ported it to PS2. Why? Because the 1st RE game that came to Gamecube, as well as the susequent ports, didn't sell all that well. Eternal Darkness? That sold really badly.

M-rated titles just don't sell well typically on Nintendo consoles. The exception to this is RARE games on N64. GoldenEye and Perfect Dark sold really well. I just don't think Manhunt 2 will sell well on Wii. I hope I'm wrong though, and that it does sell well, because I like RockStar's games (well, most of them). And I would like for RockStar to continue supporting Wii. I guess we'll just see what happens.

Avid, I know you've got a brain, so use it.

All the examples you just listed show is that M-rated games sold poorly on GameCube.

Your counter-examples actually directly show that the N64 had M-rated titles that sold much better than most M-rated games published on GameCube.

N64 was much, much more popular than GameCube in North America.  That's why M-rated games sold better.  It wasn't just RARE, either.  Various versions of Turok sold well, there was a port of RE: Nemesis that sold very well, etc.

Wii is and will be much more popular than GameCube in North America.  M-rated games will sell better on it than they did on GameCube.  This is because of the general rule that all games will sell better on Wii than they would have on GameCube.

The Wii, like the Gamecube, is going to end up being a 3rd party curse for developers. RockStar is going to regret the time they took making Manhunt 2 for Wii. I really don't think sheep want that kinda game on their system. I really don't. I'll happily play it...but I've always gotten the vibe that sheep don't care too much for ultraviolent games in the 1st place.

If they did, they would buy a PS2 and/or Xbox. Gamecube didn't have nearly as many M-rated, violent titles as PS2 or Xbox. Wii is also selling to people who have never played games b4. Those type of people are probably more prone to liking Wii Sports and minigames...not ultraviolent, bloody games.

RockStar will regret this decision, and will probably never consider making another game for a Nintendo console ever again. PS2 version though will sell really well, of couse.

AvIdGaMeR444

If it dosent get pulled, then the western sales should be good. 

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]Ok system wars, if your a sheep and did not have a PS2 or xbox and never played a violent game, post here. I sure own a PS2 and played violent games and I'm sure most of you did too.Iyethar

Ok, I get what you're saying, but 3rd party games just don't sell all that well on Nintendo consoles....especially M-rated titles. Geist sold terribly...it was Miyamoto produced even. RE4 actually sold OK, but Capcom feared it wouldn't and ported it to PS2. Why? Because the 1st RE game that came to Gamecube, as well as the susequent ports, didn't sell all that well. Eternal Darkness? That sold really badly.

M-rated titles just don't sell well typically on Nintendo consoles. The exception to this is RARE games on N64. GoldenEye and Perfect Dark sold really well. I just don't think Manhunt 2 will sell well on Wii. I hope I'm wrong though, and that it does sell well, because I like RockStar's games (well, most of them). And I would like for RockStar to continue supporting Wii. I guess we'll just see what happens.

Avid, I know you've got a brain, so use it.

All the examples you just listed show is that M-rated games sold poorly on GameCube.

Your counter-examples actually directly show that the N64 had M-rated titles that sold much better than most M-rated games published on GameCube.

N64 was much, much more popular than GameCube in North America.  That's why M-rated games sold better.  It wasn't just RARE, either.  Various versions of Turok sold well, there was a port of RE: Nemesis that sold very well, etc.

Wii is and will be much more popular than GameCube in North America.  M-rated games will sell better on it than they did on GameCube.  This is because of the general rule that all games will sell better on Wii than they would have on GameCube.

Why?  Because there will be more Wii's sold than GCs?  By that logic, MGS 3 should've sold much, much more on PS2 than the 3.96 million (according to vgchartz.com).  111 million PS2s.   Just because Wii is going to sell better than Gamecube doesn't mean all games will sell better on Wii.  As cows have pointed out, there was so much competition on PS2. 

There was a lot of great software and far more AA titles than Xbox and Gamecube.  There were just more games period.  There are 4 to 5 times more PS2s than Xboxes and GCs.  However, there was SO MANY GAMES and so much competition for sales among the titles on PS2.  That is why MGS 3 sold only 3.96 million. 

At the rate Wii is going, there will be far more games on Wii than Gamecube.  But will that mean more sales for every title on Wii as opposed to Gamecube?  I don't think so. 

Also, with so few M-rated games on Gamecube, why did they sell poorly?  Apparently sheep weren't jumping up and down wanting M-rated titles.  Yes, M-rated titles sold well on N64.  But the dropoff in sales from N64 to GC was enormous for M-rated titles. 

Also, many people who have never played videogames b4 are buying Wii.  Is Manhunt 2 going to appeal to them?  I really don't think so.  Wii is appealing to more females than any other Nintendo console.  Are females going to play this game?  I highly doubt it. 

Various versions of Turok sold well on N64.  Ok...so?  Apparently Turok:Evolution didn't sell well on GC.  Turok isn't planned for Wii.  It is planned for 360 and PS3. 

Remember, there were a lot of 3rd parties that stopped developing GC titles.  They just couldn't sell enough games on GC.  They couldn't compete with the 1st party software.  So many Mario games, Wind Waker, SSBM, etc.  There was so much 1st and 2nd party software on GC that sold so well, that 3rd parties abandoned it. 

Now, fast forward to Wii.  There are a few 1st party titles out there...not enough yet to compete with 3rd party software.  But, rest assured, the 1st and 2nd party games are going come....and there are going to be MORE 1st and 2nd party games on Wii than on Gamecube.  How will 3rd parties sell then? 

Anyway, Manhunt 2 looks great on Wii, and I hope it sells well.  I doubt it will though.

 It would sell much better on the 360, PS3 and maybe PC. Yeh i agree it was a bad choice. i is still getting the ps2 version though

good games sell well on any console... like you said re4, goldeneye, pefect dark, etc.

have third party games sold well on wii? yes for the scores they are getting... nothing has gotten close to AAA. if nintendo get gets a good third party game... it will sell well.

im sheep and i dont mind violent games as long as they are good "( i love gears)

if sheep want violent games and didnt get a ps2 maybe its because some ppl dont buy more than one system and nintendo exclusives have priority. 

Why? Because there will be more Wii's sold than GCs? By that logic, MGS 3 should've sold much, much more on PS2 than the 3.96 million (according to vgchartz.com). 111 million PS2s. Just because Wii is going to sell better than Gamecube doesn't mean all games will sell better on Wii. As cows have pointed out, there was so much competition on PS2.

AvIdGaMeR444

Okay, first - what are you comparing MGS3's sales to?

Despite all the competition among PS2 games, the general rule was that multiplats sold better on that system than on the far less crowded Xbox and GameCube.

There was a lot of great software and far more AA titles than Xbox and Gamecube. There were just more games period. There are 4 to 5 times more PS2s than Xboxes and GCs. However, there was SO MANY GAMES and so much competition for sales among the titles on PS2. That is why MGS 3 sold only 3.96 million.

AvIdGaMeR444

Again, what are you comparing it to? 4 million copies sold is a damn sight better than the vast majority of games on GameCube or Xbox.

At the rate Wii is going, there will be far more games on Wii than Gamecube. But will that mean more sales for every title on Wii as opposed to Gamecube? I don't think so.

AvIdGaMeR444

I won't claim that it's a universal truth that will hold true in every potential comparison between a Wii release and a GameCube release, but as a general rule, that is the way it works. Software performs better on dominant platforms.

Also, with so few M-rated games on Gamecube, why did they sell poorly? Apparently sheep weren't jumping up and down wanting M-rated titles. Yes, M-rated titles sold well on N64. But the dropoff in sales from N64 to GC was enormous for M-rated titles.

AvIdGaMeR444

With so few M-rated games on GameCube, everybody learned that there was no selection for M-rated games on the platform, so they didn't really look to purchase them on that platform even if they had wanted them there. Market performance feeds into consumer expectations which feeds into what products publishers offer which determines market performance.

Also, the dropoff in userbase in North America between N64 to GCN was similarly enormous.

Also, many people who have never played videogames b4 are buying Wii. Is Manhunt 2 going to appeal to them? I really don't think so. Wii is appealing to more females than any other Nintendo console. Are females going to play this game? I highly doubt it.

AvIdGaMeR444

Okay, so the game won't appeal to people completely outside its target market. How is that different from any other product ever?

Various versions of Turok sold well on N64. Ok...so? Apparently Turok:Evolution didn't sell well on GC. Turok isn't planned for Wii. It is planned for 360 and PS3.

AvIdGaMeR444

That was just an example showing that poor sales for M-rated games on Nintendo consoles is a phenomenon that was confined to GameCube as far as North America is concerned. Europe is a different story, but they don't have M-rated games ;)

Remember, there were a lot of 3rd parties that stopped developing GC titles. They just couldn't sell enough games on GC. They couldn't compete with the 1st party software. So many Mario games, Wind Waker, SSBM, etc. There was so much 1st and 2nd party software on GC that sold so well, that 3rd parties abandoned it.

AvIdGaMeR444

No - wrong - stop right there. Nintendo's first and second party software sold better on N64 and was quite arguably on a much higher profile as far as marketing and mindshare are concerned. N64 was difficult to develop for and faced severe space limitations due to the cartridge media, which also carried cost and price premiums. Yet third parties still published and sold titles for the system, because it offered good returns on the investment of making the games.

The difference between N64 and GameCube is that N64 was very popular in one market and GameCube was very popular in no markets. No matter where you were selling your games, it always made so much more sense to make PS2 games than GameCube games. It wasn't competition from Nintendo's GameCube games that drove third parties from the system - it was competition from other third parties publishing on the PS2.

Now, fast forward to Wii. There are a few 1st party titles out there...not enough yet to compete with 3rd party software. But, rest assured, the 1st and 2nd party games are going come....and there are going to be MORE 1st and 2nd party games on Wii than on Gamecube. How will 3rd parties sell then?

AvIdGaMeR444

Like ******* gangbusters, if they put their backs into it.

Anyway, Manhunt 2 looks great on Wii, and I hope it sells well. I doubt it will though.

AvIdGaMeR444

It has a lot of potential to do well. It's coming out at a time when there aren't many similarly gory games on its platform. All it really needs to really break out is some juicy MSM controversy, which is actually fairly likely considering the publisher and the nature of the content.

The Wii, like the Gamecube, is going to end up being a 3rd party curse for developers. RockStar is going to regret the time they took making Manhunt 2 for Wii. I really don't think sheep want that kinda game on their system. I really don't. I'll happily play it...but I've always gotten the vibe that sheep don't care too much for ultraviolent games in the 1st place.

If they did, they would buy a PS2 and/or Xbox. Gamecube didn't have nearly as many M-rated, violent titles as PS2 or Xbox. Wii is also selling to people who have never played games b4. Those type of people are probably more prone to liking Wii Sports and minigames...not ultraviolent, bloody games.

RockStar will regret this decision, and will probably never consider making another game for a Nintendo console ever again. PS2 version though will sell really well, of couse.

AvIdGaMeR444

Funny, Most reveiw sites who have had hands on say the Wii version is best. 

I woul;d also like to point out that Nintendos target audience is nobody on this board. People buying Wii are Grown ass men and women who don't give a crap about graphics.

We are the PS3 and 360's target audience

Everybody said PSP would put nintendo out of the portable market. I have seen 5 grown ass men well into their late 20s playing pokemon this week, one of them had a pink DS.

GCN lost 3rd party support because of lackluster sales. PS3 is going down that road now, Wii isn't. IF it doesn't sell well this holiday season then PS3 will have games canceled/ go multiplatform.

If Red stell can sell over a million copies on the Wii I see no reason why this can't also.cakeorrdeath

That game had a lot of hype going for it though. Red Steel got caught up in the Wii release where everybody was looking for games to buy. I doubt it would sell nearly as well if it was released right now.

While Manhunt 2 has the potential to reach 1 million, I fear it will do much better on the PS2.

I woul;d also like to point out that Nintendos target audience is nobody on this board. People buying Wii are Grown ass men and women who don't give a crap about graphics.

We are the PS3 and 360's target audience

superkoolstud

Nintendo are targeting both.  Do you think Smash Bros, Metroid and Zelda are for the Brainage crowd?

People seem to be confusing increasing their demographic with changing it. 

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]If Red stell can sell over a million copies on the Wii I see no reason why this can't also.Onizuka36

That game had a lot of hype going for it though. Red Steel got caught up in the Wii release where everybody was looking for games to buy. I doubt it would sell nearly as well if it was released right now.

While Manhunt 2 has the potential to reach 1 million, I fear it will do much better on the PS2.

Red Steel had a lot of hype. So does Manhunt.

Red Steel was released at a time where there were few "hardcore" games on the system. Manhunt will be too.

The only real difference between the two is that people are expecting Manhunt to be good.

The only real difference between the two is that people are expecting Manhunt to be good.cakeorrdeath

That, and Manhunt is being released on the PS2. Despite what some people might believe, the PS2 is still going strong. I'm pretty sure the PS2 version will destroy the Wii version as far as sales goes.

Still, you are right about it having a high potential of selling AT LEAST 1 million on the Wii.

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]The only real difference between the two is that people are expecting Manhunt to be good.Onizuka36

That, and Manhunt is being released on the PS2. Despite what some people might believe, the PS2 is still going strong. I'm pretty sure the PS2 version will destroy the Wii version as far as sales goes.

Still, you are right about it having a high potential of selling AT LEAST 1 million on the Wii.

I agree PS2 sales will likely be higher.

While Manhunt 2 has the potential to reach 1 million, I fear it will do much better on the PS2.

Onizuka36

I'm going to need you to define "much".  PS2 has literally about a dozen times as much market penetration in North America as Wii at this point in time.  I'd be pretty shocked if the PS2 version didn't outsell the Wii version, considering their simultaneous release.

It doesn't really matter though.  As long as the Wii version sells well and justifies the additional investment into development, it's a win for Rockstar/TTWO and will encourage future efforts, especially as Wii waxes and PS2 wanes.

lol like dude i get to use this awesome remote and shake it well i snap this guys neck but guess what!!! i dont have high def or awesome graphics because i have this sweet controller awesome yo!!

[QUOTE="goblaa"]Ok system wars, if your a sheep and did not have a PS2 or xbox and never played a violent game, post here. I sure own a PS2 and played violent games and I'm sure most of you did too.AvIdGaMeR444

Ok, I get what you're saying, but 3rd party games just don't sell all that well on Nintendo consoles....especially M-rated titles.  Geist sold terribly...it was Miyamoto produced even.  RE4 actually sold OK, but Capcom feared it wouldn't and ported it to PS2.  Why?  Because the 1st RE game that came to Gamecube, as well as the susequent ports, didn't sell all that well.  Eternal Darkness?  That sold really badly. 

M-rated titles just don't sell well typically on Nintendo consoles.  The exception to this is RARE games on N64.  GoldenEye and Perfect Dark sold really well.  I just don't think Manhunt 2 will sell well on Wii.  I hope I'm wrong though, and that it does sell well, because I like RockStar's games (well, most of them).  And I would like for RockStar to continue supporting Wii.  I guess we'll just see what happens. 

You want to know why they never sold well? I'am from scotland and every damn shop only sells ps2 and some xbox... if i want to go and get a gamecube game i have to be on a bus for 40mins to get to GLASGOW. But that takes to long when i can just get the ps2 version in 10mins.gameofthering

That happened beacuase it wasn't sellig well. It is kind of self perpetuating. 

How will this game sell well, it's an MA title and no kid should be playing this anyways. There are parts in the game where you castrate the guy and you mimic the motion. No kid should play this game. I dont like Jack Thompson either, but this is a case where I'm not sure what the point of bringing this game was. I don tthink it wil lsell well, and I doubt it will make Rockstar happy

The Wii, like the Gamecube, is going to end up being a 3rd party curse for developers.  RockStar is going to regret the time they took making Manhunt 2 for Wii.  I really don't think sheep want that kinda game on their system.  I really don't.  I'll happily play it...but I've always gotten the vibe that sheep don't care too much for ultraviolent games in the 1st place. 

If they did, they would buy a PS2 and/or Xbox.  Gamecube didn't have nearly as many M-rated, violent titles as PS2 or Xbox.  Wii is also selling to people who have never played games b4.  Those type of people are probably more prone to liking Wii Sports and minigames...not ultraviolent, bloody games. 

RockStar will regret this decision, and will probably never consider making another game for a Nintendo console ever again.  PS2 version though will sell really well, of couse. 

AvIdGaMeR444

Here are the simple facts IMO:

If Manhunt 2 is a good game it will sell well on Wii.

If Manhunt 2 is a bad game it will not sell well on Wii.

I think that is fair enough...

it will of course sell more on PS2 as its sold over 100 million thats a given.

The Wii i really hope manhunt2 sells well on as it may encourage rockstar to put more games on the Wii

 heres hoping

o and im gunna buy it as it looks pretty decent

it will of course sell more on PS2 as its sold over 100 million thats a given.

The Wii i really hope manhunt2 sells well on as it may encourage rockstar to put more games on the Wii

 heres hoping

 

o and im gunna buy it as it looks pretty decent

beerm_basic

Me too, but if it's a crap game it won't, and then companies like Rockstar will just blame it on the Wii's userbase and use that as an excuse not to make games for it.

They should just put out a frikin GTA game on Wii...

The Wii, like the Gamecube, is going to end up being a 3rd party curse for developers.  RockStar is going to regret the time they took making Manhunt 2 for Wii.  I really don't think sheep want that kinda game on their system.  I really don't.  I'll happily play it...but I've always gotten the vibe that sheep don't care too much for ultraviolent games in the 1st place. 

If they did, they would buy a PS2 and/or Xbox.  Gamecube didn't have nearly as many M-rated, violent titles as PS2 or Xbox.  Wii is also selling to people who have never played games b4.  Those type of people are probably more prone to liking Wii Sports and minigames...not ultraviolent, bloody games. 

RockStar will regret this decision, and will probably never consider making another game for a Nintendo console ever again.  PS2 version though will sell really well, of couse. 

AvIdGaMeR444

People will buy this game if they are old enough too. I am a Wii owner and love my mario and friendly games..but that doesn't

mean i would not enjoy this type of game and that's the same for many people. This is a hardcore mature game on the Wii

and many, many people will buy it 

If it's not going to sell it's not because of the third party curse. It's because WE'RE BORED OF SHOOTERS! They're all the same, just different characters and battlefields, and different gun names.

And besides, 3rd party sell better on the Wii than PS3.

RE4 sold better on Gamecube than PS2 if we look at the amount of bought Gamecubes vs bought PS2s

i dont think so. Why? because this game has that "it". It's the reason that Jack is so upiddy. It's because kids will be talking about the crazy-ass murder simulator on the wii. It is the forbidden game. Hardcores will buy it because it's unique (ign guys were crazy for it), and casuals might buy it for the same reason. I dont know if it will sell platinum, but i'm sure that between the ps2 version and the wii version, the game will do well.GunSmith1_basic

What Hardcores? Kids, Moms, Aunts, and new female gammers mostly on the WII.... 

Sheep claim they don't like violent games because violent games aren't on their system.  It's called sour grapes.

The only reason Manhunt won't sell well is if it gets pulled off of store shelves.

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]i dont think so. Why? because this game has that "it". It's the reason that Jack is so upiddy. It's because kids will be talking about the crazy-ass murder simulator on the wii. It is the forbidden game. Hardcores will buy it because it's unique (ign guys were crazy for it), and casuals might buy it for the same reason. I dont know if it will sell platinum, but i'm sure that between the ps2 version and the wii version, the game will do well.Silvereign

What Hardcores? Kids, Moms, Aunts, and new female gammers mostly on the WII.... 

Probably the ones you're arguing with right now, unless you've just been oblivious to all of the Wii sales thread.

Trust me: casuals and non-gamers don't go out of their way to care about how well Wii is selling.  So who do you think makes those threads?

[QUOTE="goblaa"]Ok system wars, if your a sheep and did not have a PS2 or xbox and never played a violent game, post here. I sure own a PS2 and played violent games and I'm sure most of you did too.AvIdGaMeR444

Ok, I get what you're saying, but 3rd party games just don't sell all that well on Nintendo consoles....especially M-rated titles.  Geist sold terribly...it was Miyamoto produced even.  RE4 actually sold OK, but Capcom feared it wouldn't and ported it to PS2.  Why?  Because the 1st RE game that came to Gamecube, as well as the susequent ports, didn't sell all that well.  Eternal Darkness?  That sold really badly. 

M-rated titles just don't sell well typically on Nintendo consoles.  The exception to this is RARE games on N64.  GoldenEye and Perfect Dark sold really well.  I just don't think Manhunt 2 will sell well on Wii.  I hope I'm wrong though, and that it does sell well, because I like RockStar's games (well, most of them).  And I would like for RockStar to continue supporting Wii.  I guess we'll just see what happens. 

RE4 wasn't the first RE game for the G-cube.

IGN says the Wii version is best. If it is advertised correctly, it could bring in huge sales.

Only if Jack Thompson were allowed to trash talk it... free publicity FTW!foxhound_fox

Finally, someone else says it.  I've been saying that if IT IS ADVERTISED, it will sell decently.  CoD3 was pretty bad, but advertised a lot and sold quite well considering it was a stripped down Xbox port with no multiplayer.