Manhunt 2 will be banned in Australia

I think the original was banned here too, GTA even has been scaled down so it could make the release here and get a MA15+ rating, plus many other games banned here.

If this comes out here i would be amazed, i expect it to be banned because of our rating system not using a R18+ on games for some unknown reason. The stupid rating system here needs to be changed as no doubt once again we will also get GTA 4, scaled down again.

Ahh America .. home of the freeKayrod29

What ever makes you sleep at night.

good my granny says this game is too violent for me

I hope Nintendo cancels its release on the Wii or even the PS2. That game is just to over the top and restraint has to be placed somewhere i the game industry.headninjadog

Unless you would presume to dictate what people should and should not enjoy? 

[QUOTE="headninjadog"]I hope Nintendo cancels its release on the Wii or even the PS2. That game is just to over the top and restraint has to be placed somewhere i the game industry.Jandurin

Unless you would presume to dictate what people should and should not enjoy? 

Japan censors their games. Their education rate is higher than the United States. Tey aren't suffering or turning to anarchy over that. Something tells me it's not so bad to occasionally censor a game. Your rights are not compromised, you just lost one game.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="headninjadog"]I hope Nintendo cancels its release on the Wii or even the PS2. That game is just to over the top and restraint has to be placed somewhere i the game industry.PhoebusFlows

Unless you would presume to dictate what people should and should not enjoy?

Japan censors their games. Their education rate is higher than the United States. Tey aren't suffering or turning to anarchy over that. Something tells me it's not so bad to occasionally censor a game. Your rights are not compromised, you just lost one game.

That's a compromise of rights. :| 

Japan censors their games. Their education rate is higher than the United States. Tey aren't suffering or turning to anarchy over that. Something tells me it's not so bad to occasionally censor a game. Your rights are not compromised, you just lost one game. PhoebusFlows

Censorship is a slippery slope.  I'll have as little as possible, thanks.

The Censor-ship had best sail away from *this* port. 

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="headninjadog"]I hope Nintendo cancels its release on the Wii or even the PS2. That game is just to over the top and restraint has to be placed somewhere i the game industry.PhoebusFlows

Unless you would presume to dictate what people should and should not enjoy?

Japan censors their games. Their education rate is higher than the United States. Tey aren't suffering or turning to anarchy over that. Something tells me it's not so bad to occasionally censor a game. Your rights are not compromised, you just lost one game.

Japans education "rate" isn't higher because it censors a few games. It's a lot more complicated than that. You know this of course, I'm assuming you were hoping no one else did, so you could make a ridiculous argument.

There are few things I detest more than censorship. If that happened in America, I'd probably leave the country. >_>

Japans education "rate" isn't higher because it sensors a few games.  It's a lot more complicated than that.  You know this of course, I'm assuming you were hoping no one else did, so you could make a ridiculous argument. kryloc

Sorry I wasnt clear, what I meant was: people think if Manhunt 2 is banned (like it's banned in Australia and I guarantee will be banned in Germany like Gears of War) if it was banned in the United States, things are ruined forever for gamers. I am showing that other countries get along fine, they don't descend into stupidity, lawlessness, and oppression. I used education as an example because civilized and free countries are usually defined by their education system.

I think some of you people are incorrectly envisioning nightmare scenarios for the US if we ban a game here and there. I'm just saying, relax, it won't happen. The structure is too strong to fall apart. Our judicial system has been designed to protect our rights. On one hand I can admire your looking out of for our better interests as individuals, but so am I when I propose games like Manhunt 2, the most extremely graphic game to date possibly, be gone.

Btw, I find it humorous how many things have been banned in this country before and we are A-Okay.

Btw, I find it humorous how many things have been banned in this country before and we are A-Okay.PhoebusFlows

Unless you're referring to something else being banned? 

[QUOTE="kryloc"]Japans education "rate" isn't higher because it sensors a few games. It's a lot more complicated than that. You know this of course, I'm assuming you were hoping no one else did, so you could make a ridiculous argument. PhoebusFlows

Sorry I wasnt clear, what I meant was: people think if Manhunt 2 is banned (like it's banned in Australia and I guarantee will be banned in Germany like Gears of War) if it was banned in the United States, things are ruined forever for gamers. I am showing that other countries get along fine, they don't descend into stupidity, lawlessness, and oppression. I used education as an example because civilized and free countries are usually defined by their education system.

I think some of you people are incorrectly envisioning nightmare scenarios for the US if we ban a game here and there. I'm just saying, relax, it won't happen. The structure is too strong to fall apart. Our judicial system has been designed to protect our rights. On one hand I can admire your looking out of for our better interests as individuals, but so am I when I propose games like Manhunt 2, the most extremely graphic game to date possibly, be gone.

Btw, I find it humorous how many things have been banned in this country before and we are A-Okay.

I don't really care about the game personally, but you are wrong about rights.  Just look at our government now and the patriot act.  Look at everything they've done.  They got a way with a little, and took THEIR beliefs and have tried to make them LAW.

There is no reason for this game to be banned.  Rated AO?  Maybe, but not banned.  No good will come of it.  No positive effects for soceity will be gained.

US is a great country because of it's freedom, we have slipped because that freedom and our TRUE moral compass have been stripped from us by religious fanatics and greedy men.

I don't envision any nightmare, simply see no good coming from it. 

This really has little to do with the State of civil rights or political rights in Australia, which are overall pretty excellent (no PATRIOT act, no anti communist laws) unless you want a gun or are trying to claim asylum.

Technically, it's not censorship. It's actually due to the OFLC being incompetant and refusing to provide a rating for 18+ video games, not a legitimate Orwellian method of censorship.

There is no actual law against adults owning or consuming Manhunt or any other games not rated, it's simply they cannot be sold commercially as they haven't passed rating standards. This is just a legal loophole based on outdated conceptions of what video games are and who plays them that will die eventually.

Alcohol being banned and drugs being illegal are not the same as censoring.  Also, information about what is being censored is much more available with the internets.

Unless you're referring to something else being banned? Jandurin

Literature has been censored, books have been banned (D.H. Lawrence), scandalous paintings have been omitted from museums. They are not a lot of instances, but it has happened in our dear country the US. And guess what, art and entertainment has still thrived. You do realize how many American movies have been censored but left uncut in Europe? This is why I think some of you are too touchy, you don't know enough about what happened before you were born perhaps? Btw, if I look hard enough, I bet I can find some Japanese games that were censored in the American version due to sexuality. We are liberal with violence but highly prudish people when it coms to nudity.

If we allow one game to be banned, what's to stop us from banning another one, and another? And then what about violent movies? And then with the First Amendment gone, what's to stop the other nine in the Bill of Rights? And then what? We get the sort of thing Orwell warned us about. >_>PannicAtack

You need to reducate yourself on our governental system. Your scenario belongs to the feverish mind of conspiracy theorists. They argued this before by banning cigarrette smoking in many restaurants. People suddenly panicked and said, "We have the right to smoke! We pay money for enjoyment and I have the right! The government is Fascist!" Trust me, your argument really sounds like their argument

There's a far cry between "you can't smoke this close to other people in a public place" and "it's illegal to sell this game." Another lousy comparison, like your others. >_>PannicAtack

You do realize Mortal Kombat was censored here in the US? And EGM had a list of Japanese imports that were banned here in the US. Did we lose our rights to play games? I seriously think you are too young to understand much

Our movies and games have been banned and censored before Pannic Attack. now I know why your name is PannicAttack

Those with little understanding of cultural history tend to be most fearful and irrational. Like you.

I don't really think anyone cares, most people seem to be disgusted by manhunt/2 anyway. Plus are you sure GTA has been watered down? If so how?Luigi_Vincetana

yeah it was, not sure what was changed as i never played the US version

[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"]I don't really think anyone cares, most people seem to be disgusted by manhunt/2 anyway. Plus are you sure GTA has been watered down? If so how?Nintendo_Man

yeah it was, not sure what was changed as i never played the US version

They removed picking up hookers from Vice City and GTA 3 (though for some reason, not San Andreas!!).

They also removed a scene from Vice City which had questionable content. Of course, you could always import the European version of the game (or the American if you cared to mess around with region locking) or if you had the PC version there were downloadables that would sort it out. 

Might be. GTAIII was banned here, then allowed in again for some reason. Our rating people have a weird relationship with Rockstar.

R* will probably make it MA15 for us, since they did that with The Warriors when it was supposed to be banned. 

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] Alcohol being banned and drugs being illegal are not the same as censoring.  Also, information about what is being censored is much more available with the internets.

Unless you're referring to something else being banned? PhoebusFlows

Literature has been censored, books have been banned (D.H. Lawrence), scandalous paintings have been omitted from museums. They are not a lot of instances, but it has happened in our dear country the US. And guess what, art and entertainment has still thrived. You do realize how many American movies have been censored but left uncut in Europe? This is why I think some of you are too touchy, you don't know enough about what happened before you were born perhaps? Btw, if I look hard enough, I bet I can find some Japanese games that were censored in the American version due to sexuality. We are liberal with violence but highly prudish people when it coms to nudity.

If we allow one game to be banned, what's to stop us from banning another one, and another? And then what about violent movies? And then with the First Amendment gone, what's to stop the other nine in the Bill of Rights? And then what? We get the sort of thing Orwell warned us about. >_>PannicAtack

You need to reducate yourself on our governental system. Your scenario belongs to the feverish mind of conspiracy theorists. They argued this before by banning cigarrette smoking in many restaurants. People suddenly panicked and said, "We have the right to smoke! We pay money for enjoyment and I have the right! The government is Fascist!" Trust me, your argument really sounds like their argument

And as to our system of government, our rights have been continually encroached upon since it's inception.  Lincoln, FDR, and the latter Bush are some of the finest examples of this.  Whether it be the rights of the states, the rights of the local governments, or the rights of the individual, the federal government has been continually degrading these rights that the founding fathers held so dear.

But smoking is a whole nother issue.  Smokers also infringe upon the rights of others to be in a smoke-free environment.  Playing games in the comfort of one's home effects no one other then whomever is palying the game.  Why should this game be banned?  Like someone said earlier, AO would be sufficient, if it is truly necessary, but outright banning?  Hardly.makingmusic476

Well I could argue that releasing games like Manhunt 2 (oh there will be more of its kind around the corner you watch) will infect and degrade the collective consciousness of the nation's teens. We put MA18+ label on GTA San Andreas, but lets be honest, you and me know a ton of kids and teens that played it anways. I dont see this being different from Manhunt 2. People want to ban smoking from places (not the right to smoke, just the setting) to protect other people. And I think people want to ban or at least make Manhunt 2 AO rating, to protect others. One is a chemical in the air, another is a form of media, but I think they are open to equal regulation -- within reason.

And look at what Austrailia did, they banned it, because they were looking to protect people. I understand and agree we have a right to enjoy stuff inside our homes, but I have provided plenty of examples of media "alterations" in the US. So there really is no point in worrying or arguing, because it happens anyways and we are okay as a nation.

And as to our system of government, our rights have been continually encroached upon since it's inception.  Lincoln, FDR, and the latter Bush are some of the finest examples of this.  Whether it be the rights of the states, the rights of the local governments, or the rights of the individual, the federal government has been continually degrading these rights that the founding fathers held so dear.makingmusic476

Forgetting Bush for a second, do you have examples of Lincoln and FDR and what they did? I believe whatever transgressions the governemnt has committed are far outweighed by the good they have done for us.

The original was banned in Australia so more than likely this one will be aswell. Germany has even stricter rules as does Japan so it likely not see a release in either of those.

The UK could see it only seeing limited release as most stores will refuse to carry it as the last title had supposed connection with a murder so the game has a very negative stigma attatched to it.

I think the original was banned here too, GTA even has been scaled down so it could make the release here and get a MA15+ rating, plus many other games banned here.

If this comes out here i would be amazed, i expect it to be banned because of our rating system not using a R18+ on games for some unknown reason. The stupid rating system here needs to be changed as no doubt once again we will also get GTA 4, scaled down again.

Nintendo_Man

its funny how aus bands lots of games while here in nz we get them since we have r18

Ahh America .. home of the freeKayrod29

*roflmao*

yeah whatever :roll:  

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[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"]I don't really think anyone cares, most people seem to be disgusted by manhunt/2 anyway. Plus are you sure GTA has been watered down? If so how?Danm_999

yeah it was, not sure what was changed as i never played the US version

They removed picking up hookers from Vice City and GTA 3 (though for some reason, not San Andreas!!).

They also removed a scene from Vice City which had questionable content. Of course, you could always import the European version of the game (or the American if you cared to mess around with region locking) or if you had the PC version there were downloadables that would sort it out.

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Man"]

I think the original was banned here too, GTA even has been scaled down so it could make the release here and get a MA15+ rating, plus many other games banned here.

If this comes out here i would be amazed, i expect it to be banned because of our rating system not using a R18+ on games for some unknown reason. The stupid rating system here needs to be changed as no doubt once again we will also get GTA 4, scaled down again.

imprezawrx500

its funny how aus bands lots of games while here in nz we get them since we have r18

Damnit, hunting male hippies was one of the most exciting hunting sports ever damnit !

But still, what are they afraid of ? GeOW is banned in Germany for some reason... but still I have never seen anyone in the US go around and chainsaw everyone... I think video games stop people from being bored and commiting crime. It's the exact opposite, so I don't see why they blame everything on videogames... they don't do it with movies and they OBVIOUSLY have more influence. 

[QUOTE="makingmusic476"]But smoking is a whole nother issue.  Smokers also infringe upon the rights of others to be in a smoke-free environment.  Playing games in the comfort of one's home effects no one other then whomever is palying the game.  Why should this game be banned?  Like someone said earlier, AO would be sufficient, if it is truly necessary, but outright banning?  Hardly.PhoebusFlows

Well I could argue that releasing games like Manhunt 2 (oh there will be more of its kind around the corner you watch) will infect and degrade the collective consciousness of the nation's teens. We put MA18+ label on GTA San Andreas, but lets be honest, you and me know a ton of kids and teens that played it anways. I dont see this being different from Manhunt 2. People want to ban smoking from places (not the right to smoke, just the setting) to protect other people. And I think people want to ban or at least make Manhunt 2 AO rating, to protect others. One is a chemical in the air, another is a form of media, but I think they are open to equal regulation -- within reason.

And look at what Austrailia did, they banned it, because they were looking to protect people. I understand and agree we have a right to enjoy stuff inside our homes, but I have provided plenty of examples of media "alterations" in the US. So there really is no point in worrying or arguing, because it happens anyways and we are okay as a nation.

And as to our system of government, our rights have been continually encroached upon since it's inception.  Lincoln, FDR, and the latter Bush are some of the finest examples of this.  Whether it be the rights of the states, the rights of the local governments, or the rights of the individual, the federal government has been continually degrading these rights that the founding fathers held so dear.makingmusic476

Forgetting Bush for a second, do you have examples of Lincoln and FDR and what they did? I believe whatever transgressions the governemnt has committed are far outweighed by the good they have done for us.

FDR did this by instituting many federal work programs to help get us out of the depression. Many of these federal programs ere later declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, and overall his plans took many powers away from the state and local governments, increasing the federal government's strength many times over.  His theory was that we could spend our way out of the great depression.  His work programs were designed to create new jobs and use federal money to build things like parks, and other things, resulting in an influx of cash into the economy.  While this did help some, it ultimately proved futile, and WWII ultimately saved us.  The depression was a global depression, so the efforts of one nation wouldn't help much, and it wasn't until the entire world was forced to increase manufacturing (war goods, etc.) that the economy finally started to really improve. 

Licoln, however, was a much worse offender.  He started an illegal war by invading a foreign nation without the consent of congress.  He would not allow Congress to meet until two months after his militia force of 75,000 was sent deep into Virginia and the fighting had commenced, therefore Congress was never allowed to officially declare war on the Confederacy.  Also, he suspended the writ of habeas corpus, resulting in the unconstitutional arrest of over 13,000 if they were so much as suspected of having even slight southern sympathies.  He declared martial law in three states, Missouri, Kentucky, and Maryland.  Actually, his arrest of congressmen in Maryland and Kentucky prevented the states from ever officially seceding from the union. 

Then there was the entire West Virginia controversy.  IF the Southern states did not have the right to secede, then that would mean that any congressional sessions held wouldn't be able to fulfill the proper quorum, without the Southern congressmen being present.  Therefore, any legislation passed during the War Between the States would have been unconstitutional and West Virginia would be an illicit stae, and it should've been reformed with Virginia after the war.  Conversely, if the states were allowed to secede, than the quorum necessary for a session of congress would've been lower, and the Southern congressmen would not have been needed to pass legislation, and an annexation of West Virginia by the US would've been valid.  So, in effect, the US congresional hearings between 1861 and 1865 validated the Southern secession movement, as they showed that the Southern States were, in fact, no longer legally part of the US.

i hope you guys all realize that censorship isnt a violation against your rights :lol:,

they just do it because they want the best for their people. You guys all sound

kinda ridiculous, guys calm down your not gonna die from it or lose your rights

its just a frikin videogame probably one of the most unimportant things

in life.

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Nintendo_Man"]

I think the original was banned here too, GTA even has been scaled down so it could make the release here and get a MA15+ rating, plus many other games banned here.

If this comes out here i would be amazed, i expect it to be banned because of our rating system not using a R18+ on games for some unknown reason. The stupid rating system here needs to be changed as no doubt once again we will also get GTA 4, scaled down again.

Luigi_Vincetana

its funny how aus bands lots of games while here in nz we get them since we have r18

Well here in NZ, we've only Banned 2 games ever and that is Manhunt (was released for a few weeks) and 50 cent game.  

Our rating system is excellent with the newly inttroduced G, PG, M, MA15+ ratings last year, and we still have the classic R16, R18 ratings.  GOEW was rated R16 unlike in US MA17+ or some thing.

It'll probably come out for a couple of days and then be banned.

didn't manhunt come out a aus for a while and gta san andreas came out for abit then they took it off the shelves for a couple of weeks and changed some crap in it?DriftMax

Yeah, I think in our version of SA, CJ doesn't swear as much and he ain't allowed to say a certain word too many times. 

I think the original was banned here too, GTA even has been scaled down so it could make the release here and get a MA15+ rating, plus many other games banned here.

If this comes out here i would be amazed, i expect it to be banned because of our rating system not using a R18+ on games for some unknown reason. The stupid rating system here needs to be changed as no doubt once again we will also get GTA 4, scaled down again.

Nintendo_Man

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Nintendo_Man"]

I think the original was banned here too, GTA even has been scaled down so it could make the release here and get a MA15+ rating, plus many other games banned here.

If this comes out here i would be amazed, i expect it to be banned because of our rating system not using a R18+ on games for some unknown reason. The stupid rating system here needs to be changed as no doubt once again we will also get GTA 4, scaled down again.

Luigi_Vincetana

its funny how aus bands lots of games while here in nz we get them since we have r18

[QUOTE="DriftMax"]didn't manhunt come out a aus for a while and gta san andreas came out for abit then they took it off the shelves for a couple of weeks and changed some crap in it?the-very-best

Yeah, I think in our version of SA, CJ doesn't swear as much and he ain't allowed to say a certain word too many times.

[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Nintendo_Man"]

I think the original was banned here too, GTA even has been scaled down so it could make the release here and get a MA15+ rating, plus many other games banned here.

If this comes out here i would be amazed, i expect it to be banned because of our rating system not using a R18+ on games for some unknown reason. The stupid rating system here needs to be changed as no doubt once again we will also get GTA 4, scaled down again.

PimpiNbananas

its funny how aus bands lots of games while here in nz we get them since we have r18

Well here in NZ, we've only Banned 2 games ever and that is Manhunt (was released for a few weeks) and 50 cent game.

Our rating system is excellent with the newly inttroduced G, PG, M, MA15+ ratings last year, and we still have the classic R16, R18 ratings. GOEW was rated R16 unlike in US MA17+ or some thing.