I bought a Wii so I could play games on it.
Many got the Wii out of novelty. Will they do it again for the Wii U?
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I found a case here in my own family, my sister wanted a wii and she bought it, she never ever bought one game and played it for a couple months then back to the box where it has been for the last 2 years, then my gf buys a wii gets no games so she never uses it, I start buying some games for her and still do, yet she only plays on her xbox 360, I'm not bashing the wii as I've had soem fun with my gfs wii (NSMW, WarioWare, SSBB, Monster Hunter) but the fact that they never got a thing for it has to be an indicator
Then what defines a gamer to you?[QUOTE="ImSwordMan"][QUOTE="jhcho2"] They weren't exactly gamers at heartjhcho2
Err .....how bout people who actually buy consoles as a medium to play games, instead of people who buy games as the medium to experience the controls?
How do you play games without controls?
[QUOTE="slvrraven9"] not all of them are "regular" gamers like we areSuperFlakeman
NSMBW / MKWii /Smash Bros. / Galaxy / TP are "regular" games right? So what does it matter who purchases them, as long as they are games you like ????
That was my point. Nintendo's core franchises will always continue to live so it's not like we are facing extinction, relax.
im talking about all of the 80+ million people who bought a wii. how many people do you know bought a wii and will never or have never bought a video game system before? let me see, i personally can name a few right off my head in my case. my mom 60+ years old and hasnt touched it since early 2008, my mothers friends who also are in the same boat....my brother, who isnt a gamer at all bought a wii. im not saying that those core games are bad at all...did you read my post to the other guy? also you misunderstood what i said, "gamers" who bought the systems, not talking about the "games" as you mentioned in your post.ABSOLUTELY. this is the same point im trying to make to the people im adressing...I found a case here in my own family, my sister wanted a wii and she bought it, she never ever bought one game and played it for a couple months then back to the box where it has been for the last 2 years, then my gf buys a wii gets no games so she never uses it, I start buying some games for her and still do, yet she only plays on her xbox 360, I'm not bashing the wii as I've had soem fun with my gfs wii (NSMW, WarioWare, SSBB, Monster Hunter) but the fact that they never got a thing for it has to be an indicator
doubalfa
im talking about all of the 80+ million people who bought a wii. how many people do you know bought a wii and will never or have never bought a video game system before? let me see, i personally can name a few right off my head in my case. my mom 60+ years old and hasnt touched it since early 2008, my mothers friends who also are in the same boat....my brother, who isnt a gamer at all bought a wii. im not saying that those core games are bad at all...did you read my post to the other guy? also you misunderstood what i said, "gamers" who bought the systems, not talking about the "games" as you mentioned in your post.slvrraven9
But why does it matter who or what (lol) bought the system, as long as games I like sell like crazy? And why does it matter whether they play the system for a long period of time as long as the overall attach rate of the system is good?
And please, these kinds of gamers are no worse than your typical CoD/Madden/GTA dudebro gamer anyway, stop with the "we and them" nonsense.
[QUOTE="slvrraven9"] im talking about all of the 80+ million people who bought a wii. how many people do you know bought a wii and will never or have never bought a video game system before? let me see, i personally can name a few right off my head in my case. my mom 60+ years old and hasnt touched it since early 2008, my mothers friends who also are in the same boat....my brother, who isnt a gamer at all bought a wii. im not saying that those core games are bad at all...did you read my post to the other guy? also you misunderstood what i said, "gamers" who bought the systems, not talking about the "games" as you mentioned in your post.SuperFlakeman
But why does it matter who or what (lol) bought the system, as long as games I like sell like crazy? And why does it matter whether they play the system for a long period of time as long as the overall attach rate of the system is good?
And please, these kinds of gamers are no worse than your typical CoD/Madden/GTA dudebro gamer anyway, stop with the "we and them" nonsense.
I think he is commenting that people who bought a wii and have barely touch it hardly will buy a wii U, just for the sense that they had a funny console and don't need another, a great deal of people who got the wii just for novelty will stay with it, it has nothing to do with gamers and game quality, and Wii U's sell might go for people who got into gaming with their wii and people who know about games and are happy with whatever they are releasing, at least that's what I thinkA lot of people bought the Wii because it brought back what made the NES so popular: wide appeal for multiple demographics. Gamers are people who play games. Playing Call of Duty doesn't make someone "more of a gamer" than someone who play Wiisports.foxhound_foxA gamer is someone who plays games all the time, a DS owner is a gamer and Iphone owner is not. Gamers have Gamespot accounts, Gamers play FPS, Sports games, RPGs, Platformers, Racing games & action adventure games. If you JUST play Madden, or JUST play Call of Duty, or Just play Wii Sports YOU are not a Gamer, you are just a person playing a game. Coolyfett is a gamer, he has the game reviews to prove this. Please dont put Madden/Call of Duty Fratdudes with the rest of us GAMERS. Thats not a good look.
A gamer is someone who plays games all the time, a DS owner is a gamer and Iphone owner is not. Gamers have Gamespot accounts, Gamers play FPS, Sports games, RPGs, Platformers, Racing games & action adventure games. If you JUST play Madden, or JUST play Call of Duty, or Just play Wii Sports YOU are not a Gamer, you are just a person playing a game. Coolyfett is a gamer, he has the game reviews to prove this. Please dont put Madden/Call of Duty Fratdudes with the rest of us GAMERS. Thats not a good look.[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]A lot of people bought the Wii because it brought back what made the NES so popular: wide appeal for multiple demographics. Gamers are people who play games. Playing Call of Duty doesn't make someone "more of a gamer" than someone who play Wiisports.Coolyfett
Gamers don't have to have certain gaming site accounts to be a gamer.
I think he is commenting that people who bought a wii and have barely touch it hardly will buy a wii U, just for the sense that they had a funny console and don't need another, a great deal of people who got the wii just for novelty will stay with it, it has nothing to do with gamers and game quality, and Wii U's sell might go for people who got into gaming with their wii and people who know about games and are happy with whatever they are releasing, at least that's what I thinkdoubalfa
Alright I understand. Now get me some solid proof, which Nintendo has because they do something called market research. During E3 2010 they told us that a recent NPD study showed that Wii owners play their consoles more often than other, what that means exactly idk, but it means that Wii isn't dead that's for sure.
I'd say that pricepoint and compelling software are much more important factors than assuming that people who are bored with their Wii won't get Wii U.
Who can say no to Wii Pictionary? Coming in holiday 2013 exclusive to Wii U to a store near U!!!!!! lol.
Let's just say that I disagree, because I don't agree with the assumptions the guy made, and we'll leave it at that.
A gamer is someone who plays games all the time, a DS owner is a gamer and Iphone owner is not. Gamers have Gamespot accounts, Gamers play FPS, Sports games, RPGs, Platformers, Racing games & action adventure games. If you JUST play Madden, or JUST play Call of Duty, or Just play Wii Sports YOU are not a Gamer, you are just a person playing a game. Coolyfett is a gamer, he has the game reviews to prove this. Please dont put Madden/Call of Duty Fratdudes with the rest of us GAMERS. Thats not a good look.CoolyfettIt seems coolyfett takes his gamer label more seriously than his gaming. Gamers are people who play games. It is this "real/not-real gamer" mentality that makes the non-gaming world not take us seriously.
I'd call the Wii-U a gimmick
[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]A gamer is someone who plays games all the time, a DS owner is a gamer and Iphone owner is not. Gamers have Gamespot accounts, Gamers play FPS, Sports games, RPGs, Platformers, Racing games & action adventure games. If you JUST play Madden, or JUST play Call of Duty, or Just play Wii Sports YOU are not a Gamer, you are just a person playing a game. Coolyfett is a gamer, he has the game reviews to prove this. Please dont put Madden/Call of Duty Fratdudes with the rest of us GAMERS. Thats not a good look.foxhound_foxIt seems coolyfett takes his gamer label more seriously than his gaming. Gamers are people who play games. It is this "real/not-real gamer" mentality that makes the non-gaming world not take us seriously. You have to admit there are different levels of gamer though. Same way as Citizen Kane and Transformers 3 are gonna appeal to different crowds, Wii Sports and Dragon Age are gonna appeal to different crowds.
[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]A gamer is someone who plays games all the time, a DS owner is a gamer and Iphone owner is not. Gamers have Gamespot accounts, Gamers play FPS, Sports games, RPGs, Platformers, Racing games & action adventure games. If you JUST play Madden, or JUST play Call of Duty, or Just play Wii Sports YOU are not a Gamer, you are just a person playing a game. Coolyfett is a gamer, he has the game reviews to prove this. Please dont put Madden/Call of Duty Fratdudes with the rest of us GAMERS. Thats not a good look.foxhound_foxIt seems coolyfett takes his gamer label more seriously than his gaming. Gamers are people who play games. It is this "real/not-real gamer" mentality that makes the non-gaming world not take us seriously.
He's just saying that you have to be actively playing games to be considered a gamer. You can't call yourself a movie buff if you've watched only one movie your whole life, or have no intention of watching movies in general. The problem of the latter category is that they cannot be relied on, to participate in a sustainable economy of an industry. There are such gamers. And these gamers are not the kind who will keep coming back for more. And in context of this thread, will the Wii U be as successful as the Wii?
He's just saying that you have to be actively playing games to be considered a gamer. You can't call yourself a movie buff if you've watched only one movie your whole life, or have no intention of watching movies in general. The problem of the latter category is that they cannot be relied on, to participate in a sustainable economy of an industry. There are such gamers. And these gamers are not the kind who will keep coming back for more. And in context of this thread, will the Wii U be as successful as the Wii?jhcho2Gamer =/= Movie buff Core gamer = Movie buff Gamer = Movie-goer There are different demographics of gamers. But everyone who plays a video game is a gamer. Just like anyone who watches a movie is a movie-watcher/goer. I personally see 5 major demographics in the gaming industry these days: 1. Hardcore gamer ~ someone who owns one or two platforms, one or two games, and devotes their entire lives to those games, and perfecting their ability to play them (i.e. Starcraft or Street Fighter "professionals"). Usually have a lot of related paraphernalia like action figures, posters and whatnot. 2. Core gamer ~ someone with numerous platforms, a vast collection, and usually have more games to play than time to play them. Also spend a lot of time on message boards discussing games and keeping up with recent industry developments. "Jack of all trades, master of (almost) none" when it comes to skill. 3. Mainstream, "bro" gamer ~ similar to the core gamer in terms of devotion to gaming, but only follows mainstream publications and releases. Ask them "have you played Princess Crown?" they will probably say no and wonder if it is even a game. They tend to not keep games once they have finished with them, and only play on the most modern platforms. 4. Casual gamer ~ see gaming as a pastime rather than a hobby (the previous two see it as a hobby), and own perhaps one or two platforms, from various time periods and play them sporadically. 5. "Non" gamer ~ the type of person who wouldn't know what Doom is, plays Angry Birds, Farmville and WiiFit religiously, but doesn't see what that do as "gaming" per se, rather, just another activity that their computer/phone/console lets them do. Now, of course these are just my own definitions... but I think they cover the majority of gamers in the industry.
[QUOTE="doubalfa"] I think he is commenting that people who bought a wii and have barely touch it hardly will buy a wii U, just for the sense that they had a funny console and don't need another, a great deal of people who got the wii just for novelty will stay with it, it has nothing to do with gamers and game quality, and Wii U's sell might go for people who got into gaming with their wii and people who know about games and are happy with whatever they are releasing, at least that's what I thinkSuperFlakeman
Alright I understand. Now get me some solid proof, which Nintendo has because they do something called market research. During E3 2010 they told us that a recent NPD study showed that Wii owners play their consoles more often than other, what that means exactly idk, but it means that Wii isn't dead that's for sure.
I'd say that pricepoint and compelling software are much more important factors than assuming that people who are bored with their Wii won't get Wii U.
Who can say no to Wii Pictionary? Coming in holiday 2013 exclusive to Wii U to a store near U!!!!!! lol.
Let's just say that I disagree, because I don't agree with the assumptions the guy made, and we'll leave it at that.
well at least you understand now. his first sentence is exactly what i was saying. noone here can pull up console use among the wii demographic....or at least im not sure where to pull it up, market research or what have you. i know the wii isnt dead.....yet. theres still a ton of hardcore gamers on it, myself included but i just dont think that the grandma's and grandpa's and the trend shoppers.....baisicly the people who barely touch their wiis or dont touch it at all will be jumping on the wiiu......well you say you understand, yeah well leave it at that! sorry for rambling there!It's funny how people think that the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 don't have casuals.
[QUOTE="jhcho2"] They weren't exactly gamers at heartImSwordManThen what defines a gamer to you? To me it would be someone who defines him/herself as a gamer. And most of the people I know who bought a Wii do not. Maybe my friends are just a bad example, but judging from what I've seen both online and in real life I would say that's not the case.
[QUOTE="jhcho2"]He's just saying that you have to be actively playing games to be considered a gamer. You can't call yourself a movie buff if you've watched only one movie your whole life, or have no intention of watching movies in general. The problem of the latter category is that they cannot be relied on, to participate in a sustainable economy of an industry. There are such gamers. And these gamers are not the kind who will keep coming back for more. And in context of this thread, will the Wii U be as successful as the Wii?foxhound_foxGamer =/= Movie buff Core gamer = Movie buff Gamer = Movie-goer There are different demographics of gamers. But everyone who plays a video game is a gamer. Just like anyone who watches a movie is a movie-watcher/goer. I personally see 5 major demographics in the gaming industry these days: 1. Hardcore gamer ~ someone who owns one or two platforms, one or two games, and devotes their entire lives to those games, and perfecting their ability to play them (i.e. Starcraft or Street Fighter "professionals"). Usually have a lot of related paraphernalia like action figures, posters and whatnot. 2. Core gamer ~ someone with numerous platforms, a vast collection, and usually have more games to play than time to play them. Also spend a lot of time on message boards discussing games and keeping up with recent industry developments. "Jack of all trades, master of (almost) none" when it comes to skill. 3. Mainstream, "bro" gamer ~ similar to the core gamer in terms of devotion to gaming, but only follows mainstream publications and releases. Ask them "have you played Princess Crown?" they will probably say no and wonder if it is even a game. They tend to not keep games once they have finished with them, and only play on the most modern platforms. 4. Casual gamer ~ see gaming as a pastime rather than a hobby (the previous two see it as a hobby), and own perhaps one or two platforms, from various time periods and play them sporadically. 5. "Non" gamer ~ the type of person who wouldn't know what Doom is, plays Angry Birds, Farmville and WiiFit religiously, but doesn't see what that do as "gaming" per se, rather, just another activity that their computer/phone/console lets them do. Now, of course these are just my own definitions... but I think they cover the majority of gamers in the industry. So all this argueing was to make a distinction between what you see as core gamers and the others were simply refering to as gamers? You guys worry too much about semantics.
[QUOTE="jhcho2"]He's just saying that you have to be actively playing games to be considered a gamer. You can't call yourself a movie buff if you've watched only one movie your whole life, or have no intention of watching movies in general. The problem of the latter category is that they cannot be relied on, to participate in a sustainable economy of an industry. There are such gamers. And these gamers are not the kind who will keep coming back for more. And in context of this thread, will the Wii U be as successful as the Wii?foxhound_foxGamer =/= Movie buff Core gamer = Movie buff Gamer = Movie-goer There are different demographics of gamers. But everyone who plays a video game is a gamer. Just like anyone who watches a movie is a movie-watcher/goer. I personally see 5 major demographics in the gaming industry these days: 1. Hardcore gamer ~ someone who owns one or two platforms, one or two games, and devotes their entire lives to those games, and perfecting their ability to play them (i.e. Starcraft or Street Fighter "professionals"). Usually have a lot of related paraphernalia like action figures, posters and whatnot. 2. Core gamer ~ someone with numerous platforms, a vast collection, and usually have more games to play than time to play them. Also spend a lot of time on message boards discussing games and keeping up with recent industry developments. "Jack of all trades, master of (almost) none" when it comes to skill. 3. Mainstream, "bro" gamer ~ similar to the core gamer in terms of devotion to gaming, but only follows mainstream publications and releases. Ask them "have you played Princess Crown?" they will probably say no and wonder if it is even a game. They tend to not keep games once they have finished with them, and only play on the most modern platforms. 4. Casual gamer ~ see gaming as a pastime rather than a hobby (the previous two see it as a hobby), and own perhaps one or two platforms, from various time periods and play them sporadically. 5. "Non" gamer ~ the type of person who wouldn't know what Doom is, plays Angry Birds, Farmville and WiiFit religiously, but doesn't see what that do as "gaming" per se, rather, just another activity that their computer/phone/console lets them do. Now, of course these are just my own definitions... but I think they cover the majority of gamers in the industry.
Even if you consider a gamer as a movie goer, you can't claim someone to be a movie goer if he or she just re-watches one movie. That is analogous to your example of a hardcore gamer just playing one game and mastering it. But in that case, i guess it's the opportunity cost. He wants to win a tournament, and dedicates all his playing time to only one game, but that's not to say he wouldn't play other games if he had the time.
There are however, people who only play Dota. They are neither professionals, nor do they enter any tournaments. It's Dota or nothing. These are not gamers in my opinion.
And aspects like how many platforms someone owns should not come into the picture. There wasn't always that many obvious choices of gaming platforms until recently. And the 'gamer' concept was in existence long before it was common to own more than 1 platform. If not, everyone who only had an NES 20 years ago were technically not gamers.
And again, having online accounts or posting in forums should not contribute to this definition. These things again became commonplace as late as 10 years ago. Gamers...hardcore or not, existed long before internet came into existence. Back then, a gamer could be considered a gamer just by purchasing and playing new releases without buying any magazines.
I feel that the fairest definition of a gamer would be someone who is actively spending his or her time playing games (not a game), and would make time to play games, rather than just playing games due to over-abundance of time. The part about being active in forums and following releases closely and such is a natural tendency of a gamer, but not a criteria.
youre kidding? with the kinect and the eye toy games???? seriously?It's funny how people think that the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 don't have casuals.
Vesica_Prime
[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]youre kidding? with the kinect and the eye toy games???? seriously?It's funny how people think that the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 don't have casuals.
slvrraven9
That's the vibe I get from a lot of Lemmings (Cows not so much.)
A gamer is someone who plays games all the time, a DS owner is a gamer and Iphone owner is not. Gamers have Gamespot accounts, Gamers play FPS, Sports games, RPGs, Platformers, Racing games & action adventure games. If you JUST play Madden, or JUST play Call of Duty, or Just play Wii Sports YOU are not a Gamer, you are just a person playing a game. Coolyfett is a gamer, he has the game reviews to prove this. Please dont put Madden/Call of Duty Fratdudes with the rest of us GAMERS. Thats not a good look.[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]A lot of people bought the Wii because it brought back what made the NES so popular: wide appeal for multiple demographics. Gamers are people who play games. Playing Call of Duty doesn't make someone "more of a gamer" than someone who play Wiisports.super600
Gamers don't have to have certain gaming site accounts to be a gamer.
You are here arent you?[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]A gamer is someone who plays games all the time, a DS owner is a gamer and Iphone owner is not. Gamers have Gamespot accounts, Gamers play FPS, Sports games, RPGs, Platformers, Racing games & action adventure games. If you JUST play Madden, or JUST play Call of Duty, or Just play Wii Sports YOU are not a Gamer, you are just a person playing a game. Coolyfett is a gamer, he has the game reviews to prove this. Please dont put Madden/Call of Duty Fratdudes with the rest of us GAMERS. Thats not a good look.foxhound_foxIt seems coolyfett takes his gamer label more seriously than his gaming. Gamers are people who play games. It is this "real/not-real gamer" mentality that makes the non-gaming world not take us seriously.Who is us? The REAL gamers? It is what it is. Coolyfett plays games, You play games. We are gamers. Grandma playing wii sports with lil sarah is not a gamer. Sorry the truth most be told.
It seems coolyfett takes his gamer label more seriously than his gaming. Gamers are people who play games. It is this "real/not-real gamer" mentality that makes the non-gaming world not take us seriously.[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Coolyfett"]A gamer is someone who plays games all the time, a DS owner is a gamer and Iphone owner is not. Gamers have Gamespot accounts, Gamers play FPS, Sports games, RPGs, Platformers, Racing games & action adventure games. If you JUST play Madden, or JUST play Call of Duty, or Just play Wii Sports YOU are not a Gamer, you are just a person playing a game. Coolyfett is a gamer, he has the game reviews to prove this. Please dont put Madden/Call of Duty Fratdudes with the rest of us GAMERS. Thats not a good look.jhcho2
He's just saying that you have to be actively playing games to be considered a gamer. You can't call yourself a movie buff if you've watched only one movie your whole life, or have no intention of watching movies in general. The problem of the latter category is that they cannot be relied on, to participate in a sustainable economy of an industry. There are such gamers. And these gamers are not the kind who will keep coming back for more. And in context of this thread, will the Wii U be as successful as the Wii?
Good looking out. Gaming is a hobby, like watching sports, reading comics, watching movies, reading books. All have terms for them Gamers, Sports Fanatics, Comic fans, Book Worms, Movie Buffs, Shoppers, Bargain shoppers.....every hobby has a label we all give to people who do these things a lot. Now Coolyfett may read a book here and there, but he is NOT a Book Worm, Its tons of movies Coolyfett has never even seen....hell Coolyfett just seen E.T. for the first time like 3 years ago lol real talk. The last movie Coolyfett saw in theaters was Ironman with Robert Downy in 2008. Its been that long since Coolyfett has been to movies. Red box gets some use on date night, but would you call Coolyfett a Film Buff??? Many people who own a Wii, dont even know what the DS is.......Like for real There are people in the United States who own a Wii, BUT do not know what a Nintendo DS is. Ask someone who plays Angry Birds to name 3 character on Street Fighter or 3 people on Mortal Kombat....JUST 3..watch the confused look they give you. Not saying it is a bad thing for not knowing...again a gamer could easily name 3 fighters from each game series. The point is the Wii was not supported by gamers. The GAMERS that did buy the Wii, were either system collectors or Gamers who hate Sony. Its that simple.That is why Nintendo are keen on launching first, before Sony or Microsoft can get a headstart. Remember the N64 and Gamecube arrived late and got creamed. Wii turned it around with Motion control but without that advantage they will have to get out early to go for the win.That is "N's" biggest fear and for good reason IMO since I think not - It's gonna be a huge uphill climb for the Wii U in comparison to how it went for the Wii. :P
SecretPolice
[QUOTE="super600"]
[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]A gamer is someone who plays games all the time, a DS owner is a gamer and Iphone owner is not. Gamers have Gamespot accounts, Gamers play FPS, Sports games, RPGs, Platformers, Racing games & action adventure games. If you JUST play Madden, or JUST play Call of Duty, or Just play Wii Sports YOU are not a Gamer, you are just a person playing a game. Coolyfett is a gamer, he has the game reviews to prove this. Please dont put Madden/Call of Duty Fratdudes with the rest of us GAMERS. Thats not a good look.
Coolyfett
Gamers don't have to have certain gaming site accounts to be a gamer.
You are here arent you?Yes! I know a lot of gamers that don't have these types of accounts on gamingsites.
They have to make it region free or else they will lose sales.
So then they can't say that BS to Ninty fans talking about they can't localize it.
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