Mark Cerny's Interview with IGN - Hardware

http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/07/17/mark-cerny-interview-part-1-hardware

You learn quite a bit about the PS4's development in that vid.

I know SONY is just one big repackager like Apple is, but it's good to know that SONY is good at outsourcing. In fact, Cerny admitted SONY couldn't even engineer the controller without massive help from "outside sources". :lol:

Well, at least the PS4 will be superior to the xbox ONE. I guess that's what matters.

this one might not get locked. :o

this one might not get locked. :o

CaseyWegner

this one might not get locked. :o

CaseyWegner

this one might not get locked. :o

CaseyWegner

Don't you think it's quite sad that SONY's best engineering feat (balance-wise) had to be outsourced?

Even the controller engineering was outsourced. :lol:

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

this one might not get locked. :o

CallOfDutyRulez

Don't you think it's quite sad that SONY's best engineering feat (balance-wise) had to be outsourced?

Even the controller engineering was outsourced. :lol:

He politely says that the cloud cannot improve graphics very well. Calling Microsoft's bluff?

He politely says that the cloud cannot improve graphics very well. Calling Microsoft's bluff?

bigbaldwolf86

He politely says that the cloud cannot improve graphics very well. Calling Microsoft's bluff?

bigbaldwolf86

Or downplaying the rival.

Cerny is obviously very proud of his product. Of course he would stress its engineering marvel while downplaying everything else.

[QUOTE="bigbaldwolf86"]

He politely says that the cloud cannot improve graphics very well. Calling Microsoft's bluff?

CallOfDutyRulez

Or downplaying the rival.

Cerny is obviously very proud of his product. Of course he would stress its engineering marvel while downplaying everything else.

lol Cloud improving graphics.... maybe in 40 years, when internet connections are instant without a "cloud" of lag...

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[QUOTE="bigbaldwolf86"]

He politely says that the cloud cannot improve graphics very well. Calling Microsoft's bluff?

ManatuBeard

Or downplaying the rival.

Cerny is obviously very proud of his product. Of course he would stress its engineering marvel while downplaying everything else.

lol Cloud improving graphics.... maybe in 40 years, when internet connections are instant without a "cloud" of lag...

Just playing the devil's advocate. I doubt any developer except Turn 10 and 343i will use Cloud computing.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

this one might not get locked. :o

MonsieurX

[QUOTE="ManatuBeard"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Or downplaying the rival.

Cerny is obviously very proud of his product. Of course he would stress its engineering marvel while downplaying everything else.

CallOfDutyRulez

lol Cloud improving graphics.... maybe in 40 years, when internet connections are instant without a "cloud" of lag...

Just playing the devil's advocate. I doubt any developer except Turn 10 and 343i will use Cloud computing.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

this one might not get locked. :o

RR360DD

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="ManatuBeard"]

lol Cloud improving graphics.... maybe in 40 years, when internet connections are instant without a "cloud" of lag...

MonsieurX

Just playing the devil's advocate. I doubt any developer except Turn 10 and 343i will use Cloud computing.

Why did no developer except Naughty Dog and a few other 1st party optimize for the CELL processor? It was a hassle and there was no benefit.

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="ManatuBeard"]

lol Cloud improving graphics.... maybe in 40 years, when internet connections are instant without a "cloud" of lag...

MonsieurX

Just playing the devil's advocate. I doubt any developer except Turn 10 and 343i will use Cloud computing.

Because they are the stronger ones of MS 1st party. The others are brand new unexperienced studios (ok... maybe not Black Tusk)...

Staying on topic...

Anything Cerny has to say, im all ears!  *i heart Cerny*

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Just playing the devil's advocate. I doubt any developer except Turn 10 and 343i will use Cloud computing.

CallOfDutyRulez

Why did no developer except Naughty Dog and a few other 1st party optimize for the CELL processor? It was a hassle and there was no benefit.

Well there is a lot of benefit from the cloud. Even Bioware have talked about using it in Dragon Age 3 if it makes sense. No point just adding some gimmicky feature to use it just for the sake of it.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Just playing the devil's advocate. I doubt any developer except Turn 10 and 343i will use Cloud computing.

CallOfDutyRulez

Why did no developer except Naughty Dog and a few other 1st party optimize for the CELL processor? It was a hassle and there was no benefit.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Just playing the devil's advocate. I doubt any developer except Turn 10 and 343i will use Cloud computing.

CallOfDutyRulez

Why did no developer except Naughty Dog and a few other 1st party optimize for the CELL processor? It was a hassle and there was no benefit.

Every optimizations and new methods of using the CELL made by ND (mainly the ICE team) are integrated (when aplicable) in new versions of the APIs for other studios and 3rd parties to take benefits of.

So in the end all benefit from it, even if at smaller scale, and all can optimize better for the CELL, its not wasted resources just to make Uncharted games prettier.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

this one might not get locked. :o

MonsieurX

Don't you think it's quite sad that SONY's best engineering feat (balance-wise) had to be outsourced?

Even the controller engineering was outsourced. :lol:

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Why only those 2?RR360DD

Why did no developer except Naughty Dog and a few other 1st party optimize for the CELL processor? It was a hassle and there was no benefit.

Well there is a lot of benefit from the cloud. Even Bioware have talked about using it in Dragon Age 3 if it makes sense. No point just adding some gimmicky feature to use it just for the sake of it.

For something like match-making, yeah. Let's say this Cloud computing thing does have great graphical benefits. If developers are seriously considering using CLOUD computing to improve graphics, AI and/or physics, they'd have to make 2 versions of the game on the same platform - One where the console is connected to the internet and one where the console isn't. Considering this would only raise development costs, I doubt any publisher would put their stamp of approval on the making 2 versions on the same platform. Most likely, games that use Cloud will be "always online" like titanfall, meaning that the audience that the games would go to is smaller then having non-Cloud computing games, which would work for both those who aren't online and who are online.

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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Why only those 2?MonsieurX

Why did no developer except Naughty Dog and a few other 1st party optimize for the CELL processor? It was a hassle and there was no benefit.

I meant no benefit to the developer and publisher.

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Why only those 2?RR360DD

Why did no developer except Naughty Dog and a few other 1st party optimize for the CELL processor? It was a hassle and there was no benefit.

Well there is a lot of benefit from the cloud. Even Bioware have talked about using it in Dragon Age 3 if it makes sense. No point just adding some gimmicky feature to use it just for the sake of it.

Yeah, MS would never build a product around that.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Why did no developer except Naughty Dog and a few other 1st party optimize for the CELL processor? It was a hassle and there was no benefit.

CallOfDutyRulez

I meant no benefit to the developer and publisher.

I don't think you realize what a Consumer Electronics company is. Most of the technology that goes into a CE company's product is engineered by manufacturers like Samsung (High density GDDR5 RAM modules so that 8 GB of GDDR5 RAM is possible on the PS4). Consumer Electronics companies are only responsible for how the device looks and ensuring that all the tech is inside the device (In other words, "repackaging"). This is common practice in the industry and there are contracts in place so that manufacturers keep their lips sealed so that consumers think the consumer electronics company was the one who engineered the components (Retina Display LOL).

To think that SONY and Apple are the only ones who do this is moronic. Dell, HP, htc, Motorola (To a small extent) and a lot of "tech" companies are actually repackagers. Very few companies are like Samsung and IBM that R&D into making next-generation tech.

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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Because it was a pain to code for but no benefit? That's why Uncharted 2-3 were the best looking games on console? No words were given about the cloud :|MonsieurX

I meant no benefit to the developer and publisher.

CoD - 22+ million sales

The Last of Us - 3.4 million sales

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

I meant no benefit to the developer and publisher.

CallOfDutyRulez

CoD - 22+ million sales

The Last of Us - 3.4 million sales

how many platforms is CoD on?

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

I meant no benefit to the developer and publisher.

CallOfDutyRulez

CoD - 22+ million sales

The Last of Us - 3.4 million sales

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Better sales?CaseyWegner

CoD - 22+ million sales

The Last of Us - 3.4 million sales

how many platforms is CoD on?

The Last of Us:

3.4 million sales on the PS3

.2 million sales on the xbox 360 because lemrats only like CoD

.01 sales on the PC because hermits buy GPUs to brag on system wars, not to game.

All in all, a negligible difference if TLOU was multiplat.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

I meant no benefit to the developer and publisher.

CallOfDutyRulez

CoD - 22+ million sales

The Last of Us - 3.4 million sales

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Why only those 2?RR360DD

Why did no developer except Naughty Dog and a few other 1st party optimize for the CELL processor? It was a hassle and there was no benefit.

Well there is a lot of benefit from the cloud. Even Bioware have talked about using it in Dragon Age 3 if it makes sense. No point just adding some gimmicky feature to use it just for the sake of it.

Callofdutyrulez have a conversation with himself :lol:RR360DD

You have yet to prove I'm who you think I am. Keep crying. :lol:

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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Better sales?Mr-Kutaragi

CoD - 22+ million sales

The Last of Us - 3.4 million sales

you still haven't fixed the grammar in your sig.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

CoD - 22+ million sales

The Last of Us - 3.4 million sales

CallOfDutyRulez

how many platforms is CoD on?

The Last of Us:

3.4 million sales on the PS3

.2 million sales on the xbox 360 because lemrats only like CoD

.01 sales on the PC because hermits buy GPUs to brag on system wars, not to game.

All in all, a negligible difference if TLOU was multiplat.

that's not what i asked.

The Last of Us:

3.4 million sales on the PS3

.2 million sales on the xbox 360 because lemrats only like CoD

.01 sales on the PC because hermits buy GPUs to brag on system wars, not to game.

All in all, a negligible difference if TLOU was multiplat.

CallOfDutyRulez

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

how many platforms is CoD on?

CaseyWegner

The Last of Us:

3.4 million sales on the PS3

.2 million sales on the xbox 360 because lemrats only like CoD

.01 sales on the PC because hermits buy GPUs to brag on system wars, not to game.

All in all, a negligible difference if TLOU was multiplat.

that's not what i asked.

CoD sells because it's universally loved. All gamers love it.

The Last of Us is a niche product. It'll never have the mass appeal like CoD does.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

The Last of Us:

3.4 million sales on the PS3

.2 million sales on the xbox 360 because lemrats only like CoD

.01 sales on the PC because hermits buy GPUs to brag on system wars, not to game.

All in all, a negligible difference if TLOU was multiplat.

CallOfDutyRulez

that's not what i asked.

CoD sells because it's universally loved. All gamers love it.

The Last of Us is a niche product. It'll never have the mass appeal like CoD does.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

The Last of Us:

3.4 million sales on the PS3

.2 million sales on the xbox 360 because lemrats only like CoD

.01 sales on the PC because hermits buy GPUs to brag on system wars, not to game.

All in all, a negligible difference if TLOU was multiplat.

CallOfDutyRulez

that's not what i asked.

CoD sells because it's universally loved. All gamers love it.

The Last of Us is a niche product. It'll never have the mass appeal like CoD does.

that's not what i asked.

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

that's not what i asked.

CaseyWegner

CoD sells because it's universally loved. All gamers love it.

The Last of Us is a niche product. It'll never have the mass appeal like CoD does.

that's not what i asked.

Your question is irrelevant then.

CoD - 12+ million on the PS3 within 1 year

The Last of Us - 3.4 million

[QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

CoD - 22+ million sales

The Last of Us - 3.4 million sales

CaseyWegner

you still haven't fixed the grammar in your sig.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

CoD sells because it's universally loved. All gamers love it.

The Last of Us is a niche product. It'll never have the mass appeal like CoD does.

CallOfDutyRulez

that's not what i asked.

Your question is irrelevant then.

CoD - 12+ million on the PS3 within 1 year

The Last of Us - 3.4 million

that's not what i asked.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

CoD sells because it's universally loved. All gamers love it.

The Last of Us is a niche product. It'll never have the mass appeal like CoD does.

CallOfDutyRulez

that's not what i asked.

Your question is irrelevant then.

CoD - 12+ million on the PS3 within 1 year

The Last of Us - 3.4 million

CoD - 12+ million on the PS3 within 1 year

The Last of Us - 3.4 million

CallOfDutyRulez

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"] Wow, have not heard much of this thread creator. Obvious that brain does not function at high level, however. Mr-Kutaragi

you still haven't fixed the grammar in your sig.

how am i pretending to be a mod and what does being a mod have to do with this? are you proud of not knowing how to spell what you're trying to say?

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

that's not what i asked.

MonsieurX

Your question is irrelevant then.

CoD - 12+ million on the PS3 within 1 year

The Last of Us - 3.4 million

Exactly. It is a working, tried and winning formula. Most developers would be punished for straying.

CoD is saving the gaming industry from a crash. I only pray Naughty Dog doesn't get more successful.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Your question is irrelevant then.

CoD - 12+ million on the PS3 within 1 year

The Last of Us - 3.4 million

CallOfDutyRulez

Exactly. It is a working, tried and winning formula. Most developers would be punished for straying.

CoD is saving the gaming industry from a crash. I only pray Naughty Dog doesn't get more successful.

grand theft auto says hello.