Mass Effect 2, Oh Great Another Dialogue Snooze Fest.

Look, i like any kind of RPG's as much as the next guy, but c'mon we all know as talented as Bioware might be at making games, they just have an unfortunate habit of using too much dialogue in there games, to the point that you actually doze off when waiting for a talk scene to end.

Why can't they incorporate more cutscenes to tell there stories, i'm being serious i really loved the look of the first Mass Effect, but when watching my brother in law play through it, before deciding to buy it or not, there was so much friggin' dialogue i literally fell asleep.

Then Dragon Age was coming out and i was really excited about it, so much so that i didn't even wait for reviews, i ran out bought the game and the hardcover strategy guide, but then of course the inevitable happened, all the long winded dialogue of Bioware developers kicked in and i was asleep in no time, now i traded Dragon Age and i'm stuck with a $30 strategy guide.

C'mon Bioware dev's use some more cutscenes to get your story across and minimize the dialogue, that's my opinion anyway.

Personally, I like as few cutscenes as possible. :)

'Tis why I love Half-Life. ^_^

I can totally see someone say long dialogs are better than sappy 6 hr cutscenes (MGS4) :P

Why can't they incorporate more cutscenes to tell there stories,CODnut

Personally, I like as few cutscenes as possible. :)

'Tis why I love Half-Life. ^_^

longtonguecat

The only real difference between what HL2 does and cutscenes is you cant skip the HL2 stuff, which actually makes it worse.

its the type of game that requires an attention span of over 8 seconds

[QUOTE="longtonguecat"]

Personally, I like as few cutscenes as possible. :)

'Tis why I love Half-Life. ^_^

warmaster670

The only real difference between what HL2 does and cutscenes is you cant skip the HL2 stuff, which actually makes it worse.

I can totally see someone say long dialogs are better than sappy 6 hr cutscenes (MGS4) :P

Zero_epyon

[QUOTE="longtonguecat"]

Personally, I like as few cutscenes as possible. :)

'Tis why I love Half-Life. ^_^

warmaster670

The only real difference between what HL2 does and cutscenes is you cant skip the HL2 stuff, which actually makes it worse.

... Except that I can still play with my weapons and the objects in the room. :)

I wish it was like Half-Life 1 sometimes when you could just kill the NPCs. :P

Personally, I like as few cutscenes as possible. :)

'Tis why I love Half-Life. ^_^

longtonguecat

Try playing planescape if you think ME2 has alot of dialogue. Or the old school point and click adventures awdxfv

Look, i like any kind of RPG's as much as the next guy, but c'mon we all know as talented as Bioware might be at making games, they just have an unfortunate habit of using too much dialogue in there games, to the point that you actually doze off when waiting for a talk scene to end.

Why can't they incorporate more cutscenes to tell there stories, i'm being serious i really loved the look of the first Mass Effect, but when watching my brother in law play through it, before deciding to buy it or not, there was so much friggin' dialogue i literally fell asleep.

Then Dragon Age was coming out and i was really excited about it, so much so that i didn't even wait for reviews, i ran out bought the game and the hardcover strategy guide, but then of course the inevitable happened, all the long winded dialogue of Bioware developers kicked in and i was asleep in no time, now i traded Dragon Age and i'm stuck with a $30 strategy guide.

C'mon Bioware dev's use some more cutscenes to get your story across and minimize the dialogue, that's my opinion anyway.

CODnut

You LIED right here. If character development, relationship development with your party members, exploring and discovering a worlds history, and interaction with the world around you isn't your thing, then RPGs just aren't for you. Don't pretend to be an RPG player if you dismiss one of the defining core fundamentals of the genre.

This is like saying "I love shooters, but damn I get frustrated with actually having to aim my weapons"
or "I love racing games but don't want to have to use a brake pedal to properly control my car"

I like feeling invlved in the story.Take MGS for example,the best things are shown to you in cutscenes, this isn't the case with Bioware titles.

I like feeling invlved in the story.Take MGS for example,the best things are shown to you in cutscenes, this isn't the case with Bioware titles.

Stats_

I agree, I like the fact that you can make the character respond the way you want them to. It makes the scenes more immersive.

Lots of dialog in an rpg is kind of essential hell even oblivion sonny2dap

Cutscenes is almost like long dialogs you have to read, snooze fest there you just sit watching until you fall asleep...

[QUOTE="CODnut"]

Look, i like any kind of RPG's as much as the next guy, but c'mon we all know as talented as Bioware might be at making games, they just have an unfortunate habit of using too much dialogue in there games, to the point that you actually doze off when waiting for a talk scene to end.

Why can't they incorporate more cutscenes to tell there stories, i'm being serious i really loved the look of the first Mass Effect, but when watching my brother in law play through it, before deciding to buy it or not, there was so much friggin' dialogue i literally fell asleep.

Then Dragon Age was coming out and i was really excited about it, so much so that i didn't even wait for reviews, i ran out bought the game and the hardcover strategy guide, but then of course the inevitable happened, all the long winded dialogue of Bioware developers kicked in and i was asleep in no time, now i traded Dragon Age and i'm stuck with a $30 strategy guide.

C'mon Bioware dev's use some more cutscenes to get your story across and minimize the dialogue, that's my opinion anyway.

AdobeArtist

You LIED right here. If character development, relationship development with your party members, exploring and discovering a worlds history, and interaction with the world around you isn't your thing, then RPGs just aren't for you. Don't pretend to be an RPG player if you dismiss one of the defining core fundamentals of the genre.

This is like saying "I love shooters, but damn I get frustrated with actually having to aim my weapons"
or "I love racing games but don't want to have to use a brake pedal to properly control my car"

yeah this guy is such a fakeboy i cant believe people are taking this seriously. i mean his name is codnut he has 20 posts and is level 3, and he disses the very things that make rpgs great. and we are supposed to take him seriously? im sure you went out and bought the strategy guide and game for DAO when you hated biowares previous rpgs. that makes a lot of sense. go back to playing cod. leave the rpgs alone

Then i'd guess you hate heavy rain more than anything?

I am sort of lost... you would rather watch a cut scene than actually control the dialogue (and from what I understand, other actions with the interrupt feature) that takes place in what is essentially an interactive movie? You would rather have NO control over what is going on as opposed to having choice? I don't quite understand your logic... id be more bored if I had to sit and watch 20 minutes of dialogue rather than actually making the choices of what gets to be said.gamer620

[QUOTE="sonny2dap"]Lots of dialog in an rpg is kind of essential hell even oblivion 110million

I personally love dialogue heavy role playing games. As you are more involved in the story beyond just killing things.;)

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="CODnut"]

Look, i like any kind of RPG's as much as the next guy, but c'mon we all know as talented as Bioware might be at making games, they just have an unfortunate habit of using too much dialogue in there games, to the point that you actually doze off when waiting for a talk scene to end.

Why can't they incorporate more cutscenes to tell there stories, i'm being serious i really loved the look of the first Mass Effect, but when watching my brother in law play through it, before deciding to buy it or not, there was so much friggin' dialogue i literally fell asleep.

Then Dragon Age was coming out and i was really excited about it, so much so that i didn't even wait for reviews, i ran out bought the game and the hardcover strategy guide, but then of course the inevitable happened, all the long winded dialogue of Bioware developers kicked in and i was asleep in no time, now i traded Dragon Age and i'm stuck with a $30 strategy guide.

C'mon Bioware dev's use some more cutscenes to get your story across and minimize the dialogue, that's my opinion anyway.

cliff122316

You LIED right here. If character development, relationship development with your party members, exploring and discovering a worlds history, and interaction with the world around you isn't your thing, then RPGs just aren't for you. Don't pretend to be an RPG player if you dismiss one of the defining core fundamentals of the genre.

This is like saying "I love shooters, but damn I get frustrated with actually having to aim my weapons"
or "I love racing games but don't want to have to use a brake pedal to properly control my car"

yeah this guy is such a fakeboy i cant believe people are taking this seriously. i mean his name is codnut he has 20 posts and is level 3, and he disses the very things that make rpgs great. and we are supposed to take him seriously? im sure you went out and bought the strategy guide and game for DAO when you hated biowares previous rpgs. that makes a lot of sense. go back to playing cod. leave the rpgs alone

[QUOTE="gamer620"]I am sort of lost... you would rather watch a cut scene than actually control the dialogue (and from what I understand, other actions with the interrupt feature) that takes place in what is essentially an interactive movie? You would rather have NO control over what is going on as opposed to having choice? I don't quite understand your logic... id be more bored if I had to sit and watch 20 minutes of dialogue rather than actually making the choices of what gets to be said.awdxfv

Look, i like any kind of RPG's as much as the next guy, but c'mon we all know as talented as Bioware might be at making games, they just have an unfortunate habit of using too much dialogue in there games, to the point that you actually doze off when waiting for a talk scene to end.

CODnut

This is like saying "I love shooters, but damn I get frustrated with actually having to aim my weapons"
or "I love racing games but don't want to have to use a brake pedal to properly control my car"AdobeArtist

Hey, now, I say that all the time.

Mass Effect is one of the most boring games I have ever played. I played around 4 hours and I promised myself that I would never play again.

the first one was boring like that too, and their is like no emotion, its like its forced.InfiniteBlak

id be willing to be £6.56 that the closest you've been to a copy of ME is in your local games store

the first one was boring like that too, and their is like no emotion, its like its forced.InfiniteBlak

Then you hate heavy rain as well?

[QUOTE="cliff122316"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

You LIED right here. If character development, relationship development with your party members, exploring and discovering a worlds history, and interaction with the world around you isn't your thing, then RPGs just aren't for you. Don't pretend to be an RPG player if you dismiss one of the defining core fundamentals of the genre.

This is like saying "I love shooters, but damn I get frustrated with actually having to aim my weapons"
or "I love racing games but don't want to have to use a brake pedal to properly control my car"

kidcool189

yeah this guy is such a fakeboy i cant believe people are taking this seriously. i mean his name is codnut he has 20 posts and is level 3, and he disses the very things that make rpgs great. and we are supposed to take him seriously? im sure you went out and bought the strategy guide and game for DAO when you hated biowares previous rpgs. that makes a lot of sense. go back to playing cod. leave the rpgs alone

You gotta be kidding me. Bioware crafts some of the most natural dialog in gaming. The characters come across as genuine and believable people. Every member in your party (from KOTOR, to Mass Effect, to DAO) feels as though they had a life before you encountered them, and didn't simply spring into existence on the map simply for the benefit of aiding your quest. With Bioware games, the NPCs are people you can actually get to know, and form a connection with.

personally, i enjoyed the dialogue tree of the first one.

I like the dialogue sequences because I feel it allows for a better sense of immersion or participation in the game. It's also a good avenue for expanding the story. However, I can certainly see why some people may not like that aspect of the game. Sometimes it can be too much for some people, especially if you like your games to be more action oriented. To each their own, I suppose.

[QUOTE="kidcool189"]

[QUOTE="cliff122316"]

yeah this guy is such a fakeboy i cant believe people are taking this seriously. i mean his name is codnut he has 20 posts and is level 3, and he disses the very things that make rpgs great. and we are supposed to take him seriously? im sure you went out and bought the strategy guide and game for DAO when you hated biowares previous rpgs. that makes a lot of sense. go back to playing cod. leave the rpgs alone

AdobeArtist

You gotta be kidding me. Bioware crafts some of the most natural dialog in gaming. The characters come across as genuine and believable people. Every member in your party (from KOTOR, to Mass Effect, to DAO) feels as though they had a life before you encountered them, and didn't simply spring into existence on the map simply for the benefit of aiding your quest. With Bioware games, the NPCs are people you can actually get to know, and form a connection with.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="kidcool189"]maybe its not that it is a lot of dialogue, more so that it is just uninteresting, boring dialogue

atleast thats how it is for me with a lot of wrpgs, including bioware

kidcool189

You gotta be kidding me. Bioware crafts some of the most natural dialog in gaming. The characters come across as genuine and believable people. Every member in your party (from KOTOR, to Mass Effect, to DAO) feels as though they had a life before you encountered them, and didn't simply spring into existence on the map simply for the benefit of aiding your quest. With Bioware games, the NPCs are people you can actually get to know, and form a connection with.

You must hate books, all filled with text and dialogue.

If Hell exists, people like you would spend eternity playing Zork games :lol:Salt_The_Fries

[QUOTE="kidcool189"]

maybe its not that it is a lot of dialogue, more so that it is just uninteresting, boring dialogue

atleast thats how it is for me with a lot of wrpgs, including bioware

AdobeArtist

You gotta be kidding me. Bioware crafts some of the most natural dialog in gaming. The characters come across as genuine and believable people. Every member in your party (from KOTOR, to Mass Effect, to DAO) feels as though they had a life before you encountered them, and didn't simply spring into existence on the map simply for the benefit of aiding your quest. With Bioware games, the NPCs are people you can actually get to know, and form a connection with.

Just because its natural dialogue does not mean that it can't be boring to some people. I love Mass Effect very much, and I love Dragon Age, but the way they execute the dialogue is lackluster. They recycle the same boring camera angles when someone is talking, and while that may be the best way for them to do it with the amount of dialogue that is in the game, I could easily see it get boring for some. Also there is a lot of dialogue, too much maybe for some. While it does create a believable world, some people may rather have a different way of seeing the believable world, RPG fan or not.

But Mass Effect 2 looks like it may remedy this problem some; aren't they changing up camera angles and such? Like that scene when Shepard is flying in that car, looked like there were some better shots than the stale one's that we saw in the first game.