Mass Effect: How the hell?

[QUOTE="Fyper"]And I'm trying to tell you you can't. If you did bad deeds throughout the game and with the later big ultimatum decisions you do them all good, you still get some kind of ending where you did the right thing in the end, but lived as an evil badguy. You won't get the actual good ending.There are multiple endings to Mass Effect. Not just 2.Vandalvideo

I understand what your saying. He is just defending it because he thinks your bashing it. Whether they give me an ultimate decision or not I am going to enjoy every minute of it.

This is how every single previous Bioware game that has had a morality system has played out. Vandalvideo

Why are you judging Mass Effect from other games ?

[QUOTE="Fyper"]And I'm trying to tell you you can't. If you did bad deeds throughout the game and with the later big ultimatum decisions you do them all good, you still get some kind of ending where you did the right thing in the end, but lived as an evil badguy. You won't get the actual good ending.There are multiple endings to Mass Effect. Not just 2.Vandalvideo

Yes, I did say there would be huge decisions near the end of the game. And there will be, Bioware said so in some interview. I think it was the stage demo of E3 2007. However, they also said it would have multiple endings and although they didn't specify the exact number they said it would be more then just a good and evil ending.

And they also said every decision will be accounted for and handled induvidually, unlike their previous games like KOTOR where the big decision would just whipe clean all smaller decisions you made.

However it comes out in the end, the game will be awesome. I just know it.

Yeah. This game has raised everybody's expectations sky-high. Even 360 haters have to acknowledge what looks like absolute greatness. Fingers crossed...WeeWeeJumbo

This is the first game I've seen where most fanboys, even those who oppose the 360, admit its greatness.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Fyper"]And I'm trying to tell you you can't. If you did bad deeds throughout the game and with the later big ultimatum decisions you do them all good, you still get some kind of ending where you did the right thing in the end, but lived as an evil badguy. You won't get the actual good ending.There are multiple endings to Mass Effect. Not just 2.too_much_eslim

I understand what your saying. He is just defending it because he thinks your bashing it. Whether they give me an ultimate decision or not I am going to enjoy every minute of it.

No, I just thought he didn't get it completely.

Yes, I did say there would be huge decisions near the end of the game. And there will be, Bioware said so in some interview. I think it was the stage demo of E3 2007. However, they also said it would have multiple endings and although they didn't specify the exact number they said it would be more then just a good and evil ending.And they also said every decision will be accounted for and handled induvidually, unlike their previous games like KOTOR where the big decision would just whipe clean all smaller decisions you made.However it comes out in the end, the game will be awesome. I just know it.Fyper

[QUOTE="Fyper"]Yes, I did say there would be huge decisions near the end of the game. And there will be, Bioware said so in some interview. I think it was the stage demo of E3 2007. However, they also said it would have multiple endings and although they didn't specify the exact number they said it would be more then just a good and evil ending.And they also said every decision will be accounted for and handled induvidually, unlike their previous games like KOTOR where the big decision would just whipe clean all smaller decisions you made.However it comes out in the end, the game will be awesome. I just know it.Vandalvideo

Maybe. But I think with an epic story you simply can't go without some huge decisions. Still, Mass Effect will have better gameplay if you ask me then KOTOR. Better graphics. It will be huge. Loads of content for your character.

Sort off KOTOR in real time 10X as cool and 100X as big.

Sounds good to me.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Fyper"]Yes. There will be major decisions to be made near the end of the game, said Bioware. But it doesn't affect how evil of good you are. They are just decisions. Let's say there are two major decisions, if you take one evil, the other good; you would not be in a neutral position. You will get the consequences of making that evil decision as you will for the good one. Whatever they are.This is also why there will most likely be quite a few endings to the game.But in KOTOR, if you made all evil decisions throughout the game and in the end you made a good one, you would suddenly be a good guy completely. So, you were treated as an evil guy first, then, suddenly, everyone liked you. Where in Mass Effect you will face the consequences of each decision you make throughout the whole game.Fyper

And I'm trying to tell you you can't. If you did bad deeds throughout the game and with the later big ultimatum decisions you do them all good, you still get some kind of ending where you did the right thing in the end, but lived as an evil badguy. You won't get the actual good ending.

There are multiple endings to Mass Effect. Not just 2.

There's another big difference between KOTOR and ME as pointed out in this 20 min video.

Mass Effect 20min demo

Yes, in KOTOR, all the major turning point options were given to you no matter how you played the game. So if you made that one great good choice even after many many evil acts before, it would cause a major swing in your character alignment and give you the ending for good.

But with ME, if you commit to evil acts throughout, there are options for good that simply WILL NOT BE GIVEN TO YOU. Your choices will now affect what future morality options you have to take. Same for acting heroically for the larger part of the game, certain evil options don't show up for you any more.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Judging by past inference, theres nothing leading me to believe that Mass Effect will not have these ultimatums. Its as simple as that. I'm not going to argue over technics of the two system, because thats irrelevant to my point.Vandalvideo

I know what you are saying, but in ME they have stated that this is NOT the way it works. So you can stop saying that in previous games major decisions trivialized all other decisions...since they have stated that this is NOT how ME works.

The reason being that you are missing the distinction between previous games using basically a meter, as described by someone above, and this game which tracks events independently.

In previous Bioware games it was esentially +1, -2, +1, +1, +1, -1 etc with plus or minus being good or evil. The actual circumstances of the decisions were irrelevant, as was the order in which you achieved your plus or minus rating. Frankly, it didn't matter whether you chose to be evil for actions A, C, E, or B, D, F. You were overall either a little evil, a lot evil or the other way around. And then you reached the ultimate decision points, and that overrode everything else.

That is NOT how this game works. If you choose the 'evil' action on A (or B, or C...) then some people will ALWAYS hate you for that, regardless if you you are good for every other event in the game. Therefore, each decision has possible gamelong consequences, not just adding or subtracting to an overall score. Therefore individual decisions matter and influence whether certain plot lines even happen or not.

More importantly, this game does not use good or evil. Rather it uses something which is closer to a lawfulvs chaotic axis instead of good vs evil. Therefore, it is not designed to have ultimate good vs evil choices which override everything else. The plot is to save humanity...how you go about that is the lawful vs chaotic axis. Prim and proper? Or is it ok to sacrifice a few for the good of the many? That type of thing. Thus, the emphasis is more on individual decisions, and keeping track of individual decisions and there effect on game plot, rather than accumulating total decisions in an overall meter score. So, while you have smaller, and larger decisions, and a few real biggies, each is made independently and each can have an effect, and none override what you have done before.

But with ME, if you commit to evil acts throughout, there are options for good that simply WILL NOT BE GIVEN TO YOU. Your choices will now affect what future morality options you have to take. Same for acting heroically for the larger part of the game, certain evil options don't show up for you any more.AdobeArtist

Therefore individual decisions matter and influence whether certain plot lines even happen or not.More importantly, this game does not use good or evil. Rather it uses something which is closer to a lawfulvs chaotic axis instead of good vs evil. Therefore, it is not designed to have ultimate good vs evil choices which override everything else. The plot is to save humanity...how you go about that is the lawful vs chaotic axis. Prim and proper? Or is it ok to sacrifice a few for the good of the many? That type of thing. Thus, the emphasis is more on individual decisions, and keeping track of individual decisions and there effect on game plot, rather than accumulating total decisions in an overall meter score. So, while you have smaller, and larger decisions, and a few real biggies, each is made independently and each can have an effect, and none override what you have done before.SUD123456

[QUOTE="Arnalion"]To bad the game has framerate issues...Zam

Its a good thing then that they are doing nothing but polishing the game until novemeber

Yeah we can just hope they solve the problem.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"] Therefore individual decisions matter and influence whether certain plot lines even happen or not.More importantly, this game does not use good or evil. Rather it uses something which is closer to a lawfulvs chaotic axis instead of good vs evil. Therefore, it is not designed to have ultimate good vs evil choices which override everything else. The plot is to save humanity...how you go about that is the lawful vs chaotic axis. Prim and proper? Or is it ok to sacrifice a few for the good of the many? That type of thing. Thus, the emphasis is more on individual decisions, and keeping track of individual decisions and there effect on game plot, rather than accumulating total decisions in an overall meter score. So, while you have smaller, and larger decisions, and a few real biggies, each is made independently and each can have an effect, and none override what you have done before.Vandalvideo

Jeesh, re-read my post. I am giving you the exact answer you are looking for. There isn't good vs evil in an accumulated meter...which is then overridden by momentous choice, which is what pisses you of, right? :)

Instead each decision is independent and has its own consequences. Bigger decisions do not override previous smaller decisions. Your previous history is not erased. Play mostly one way and you will have a 'rep', so to speak. But if you effed over someone previously, or helped them, they will always remember that regardless of what your overall 'rep' is. Get it? And it is not even good vs evil. Which is the whole point...it is more life like. People don't just see you in real life for your overall good or evil. The people who have met you judge you by the actions you took with them....not your mystique. That's why in real life somepeople like you and have one opinion and others don't. And that is what ME is trying to achieve.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SUD123456"] Therefore individual decisions matter and influence whether certain plot lines even happen or not.More importantly, this game does not use good or evil. Rather it uses something which is closer to a lawfulvs chaotic axis instead of good vs evil. Therefore, it is not designed to have ultimate good vs evil choices which override everything else. The plot is to save humanity...how you go about that is the lawful vs chaotic axis. Prim and proper? Or is it ok to sacrifice a few for the good of the many? That type of thing. Thus, the emphasis is more on individual decisions, and keeping track of individual decisions and there effect on game plot, rather than accumulating total decisions in an overall meter score. So, while you have smaller, and larger decisions, and a few real biggies, each is made independently and each can have an effect, and none override what you have done before.killtactics

Jeesh, re-read my post. I am giving you the exact answer you are looking for. There isn't good vs evil in an accumulated meter...which is then overridden by momentous choice, which is what pisses you of, right? :)

Instead each decision is independent and has its own consequences. Bigger decisions do not override previous smaller decisions. Your previous history is not erased. Play mostly one way and you will have a 'rep', so to speak. But if you effed over someone previously, or helped them, they will always remember that regardless of what your overall 'rep' is. Get it? And it is not even good vs evil. Which is the whole point...it is more life like. People don't just see you in real life for your overall good or evil. The people who have met you judge you by the actions you took with them....not your mystique. That's why in real life somepeople like you and have one opinion and others don't. And that is what ME is trying to achieve.

SUD123456

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="SUD123456"] Therefore individual decisions matter and influence whether certain plot lines even happen or not.More importantly, this game does not use good or evil. Rather it uses something which is closer to a lawfulvs chaotic axis instead of good vs evil. Therefore, it is not designed to have ultimate good vs evil choices which override everything else. The plot is to save humanity...how you go about that is the lawful vs chaotic axis. Prim and proper? Or is it ok to sacrifice a few for the good of the many? That type of thing. Thus, the emphasis is more on individual decisions, and keeping track of individual decisions and there effect on game plot, rather than accumulating total decisions in an overall meter score. So, while you have smaller, and larger decisions, and a few real biggies, each is made independently and each can have an effect, and none override what you have done before.Vandalvideo

if they did't let you chose at the end then the choice system would be trivialized b/c you can chose everything eles but not some of the most important stuff? also if u play evil the entire time then at the last few ultimatums decide to be good then hey thats what you want.... i mean lookwhat happend at the end of star wars? dark vader decided to be good and help his son, even tho before that he was all evil.... also like i said did u even play the game? i have a feeling you did't because there is more then one ultimatum...killtactics

[QUOTE="SUD123456"] Therefore individual decisions matter and influence whether certain plot lines even happen or not.More importantly, this game does not use good or evil. Rather it uses something which is closer to a lawfulvs chaotic axis instead of good vs evil. Therefore, it is not designed to have ultimate good vs evil choices which override everything else. The plot is to save humanity...how you go about that is the lawful vs chaotic axis. Prim and proper? Or is it ok to sacrifice a few for the good of the many? That type of thing. Thus, the emphasis is more on individual decisions, and keeping track of individual decisions and there effect on game plot, rather than accumulating total decisions in an overall meter score. So, while you have smaller, and larger decisions, and a few real biggies, each is made independently and each can have an effect, and none override what you have done before.Vandalvideo

Do you actually read the posts or do you just say they are overanalyzing? He just explained that each action has different repreccusions with different groups. So some people may still hate you for one decision you made compared to a handful of good ones. And as for the endings i'm sure there will be more than enough where you don't get a "good" ending for playing the whole game unlawfully and then saying yes to one question.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Jeesh, re-read my post. I am giving you the exact answer you are looking for. There isn't good vs evil in an accumulated meter...which is then overridden by momentous choice, which is what pisses you of, right? :)

Instead each decision is independent and has its own consequences. Bigger decisions do not override previous smaller decisions. Your previous history is not erased. Play mostly one way and you will have a 'rep', so to speak. But if you effed over someone previously, or helped them, they will always remember that regardless of what your overall 'rep' is. Get it? And it is not even good vs evil. Which is the whole point...it is more life like. People don't just see you in real life for your overall good or evil. The people who have met you judge you by the actions you took with them....not your mystique. That's why in real life somepeople like you and have one opinion and others don't. And that is what ME is trying to achieve.

Vandalvideo

I just recently purchased the novel in an attempt to be more psyched about the game - it's working as I'd planned.

Well, I recently read up a little more on the game itself and, for the love of God, there are things that're going to be in the game that are freakin' nuts. I mean little features, like NPC actually getting annoyed when you cut their speech short. Then there's also that Gamespot feature that stated no QA personnel could visit all the locations in a single game.

How long have they been working on Mass Effect, exactly?

Chloroformality

as a 360 owner, i hope that mass effect lives up to expectations

bioware has been hyping it up like crazy by telling us things like "no QA personnel could visit all the locations in a single game"

i just hope this doesn't turn out to be another fable

Do you actually read the posts or do you just say they are overanalyzing? He just explained that each action has different repreccusions with different groups. So some people may still hate you for one decision you made compared to a handful of good ones. And as for the endings i'm sure there will be more than enough where you don't get a "good" ending for playing the whole game unlawfully and then saying yes to one question.luckystar23

if you chose to make a decision that goes against all other decisions and ultimately trivializes them then thats your decision.... thats the beauty of kotor you can do anything you want till the end....killtactics

[QUOTE="killtactics"]if they did't let you chose at the end then the choice system would be trivialized b/c you can chose everything eles but not some of the most important stuff? also if u play evil the entire time then at the last few ultimatums decide to be good then hey thats what you want.... i mean lookwhat happend at the end of star wars? dark vader decided to be good and help his son, even tho before that he was all evil.... also like i said did u even play the game? i have a feeling you did't because there is more then one ultimatum...Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killtactics"]if they did't let you chose at the end then the choice system would be trivialized b/c you can chose everything eles but not some of the most important stuff? also if u play evil the entire time then at the last few ultimatums decide to be good then hey thats what you want.... i mean lookwhat happend at the end of star wars? dark vader decided to be good and help his son, even tho before that he was all evil.... also like i said did u even play the game? i have a feeling you did't because there is more then one ultimatum...killtactics

You think interruption is hard to code for?

Let's say you have 3 choices of speech, the interruption just adds another 3 responses into the A.I.

That's not mindblowing at all.

NobuoMusicMaker

Please tell me you're chossing to be this ignorant...

how can deciding to kill random ppl on the street have anything to do with an epic ending? i rather be able to decide what ever i want to do....killtactics

[QUOTE="killtactics"]if you chose to make a decision that goes against all other decisions and ultimately trivializes them then thats your decision.... thats the beauty of kotor you can do anything you want till the end....Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killtactics"]if you chose to make a decision that goes against all other decisions and ultimately trivializes them then thats your decision.... thats the beauty of kotor you can do anything you want till the end....killtactics

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killtactics"]if they did't let you chose at the end then the choice system would be trivialized b/c you can chose everything eles but not some of the most important stuff? also if u play evil the entire time then at the last few ultimatums decide to be good then hey thats what you want.... i mean lookwhat happend at the end of star wars? dark vader decided to be good and help his son, even tho before that he was all evil.... also like i said did u even play the game? i have a feeling you did't because there is more then one ultimatum...Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killtactics"]if you chose to make a decision that goes against all other decisions and ultimately trivializes them then thats your decision.... thats the beauty of kotor you can do anything you want till the end....Vandalvideo

no but you would be if u were found guilty of mass genocide then saved the lives of millions if not trillions...... also i really dont think u played the game....killtactics

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[QUOTE="user_nat"]I kinda get the feeling this game is going to disappoint.. I honestly hope Im wrong though.NobuoMusicMaker

What are your reasons for that?

Jade Empire.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Jeesh, re-read my post. I am giving you the exact answer you are looking for. There isn't good vs evil in an accumulated meter...which is then overridden by momentous choice, which is what pisses you of, right? :)

Instead each decision is independent and has its own consequences. Bigger decisions do not override previous smaller decisions. Your previous history is not erased. Play mostly one way and you will have a 'rep', so to speak. But if you effed over someone previously, or helped them, they will always remember that regardless of what your overall 'rep' is. Get it? And it is not even good vs evil. Which is the whole point...it is more life like. People don't just see you in real life for your overall good or evil. The people who have met you judge you by the actions you took with them....not your mystique. That's why in real life somepeople like you and have one opinion and others don't. And that is what ME is trying to achieve.

Vandalvideo

What huge over-arcing choices? What makes you think there are definitive single choices that override everything else in the game?

Here I'll give you a smaller choice. According to the 20 min demo, you can choose a couple of times to have the Krogan Battle Master join your party. If you turn him down enough, eventually you no longer have that option. Therefore, that character won't even be in your party at the end. Is that a big or small issue? However, before you get to the end of the game, there is a significant plot line that will or will not even unfold depending on whether the Krogan is with you or not. Is that big or small?

Ask yourself if maybe you are the one with the comprehension problem. You are starting with the assumption that there are huge overriding decisions...decisions which make everything preceding them irrelevant. You are doing so because you are trapped in a world with two choices: good or evil. Wherein the last portion of the game follows either a good path or a bad path regardless of what went before. Pick an ending. Replay and pick the other ending.

What if there are multiple choices? Or better still, what if there are no choices? What if what matters is all the little choices along the way and there is no definitive choice at the end? What if there are six paths, or ten paths, or however many, that get you to the same final scene, and there is only one final scene? What if the real replay is in the numerous choices you make along the way...not just the final choice you make after 80% of the game is over. I'd rather replay 95% of the game and have that go differently....than play the same thing over again just so I can get a few different cutscenes at the end.

Maybe you need to change your perspective from how many cutscene options do I have at the end and are they decided by a series of small steps or 1 big decision vs how meaningful, interesting and different are the choices I make along the 95% of gameplay that precedes the end.

I say again, you are trapped by your view of 2 endings which leads you to the false discussion of how those endings are derived....small steps, or a large one? What if there is only 1 ending, or if there are 5?

What huge over-arcing choices? What makes you think there are definitive single choices that override everything else in the game?Here I'll give you a smaller choice. According to the 20 min demo, you can choose a couple of times to have the Krogan Battle Master join your party. If you turn him down enough, eventually you no longer have that option. Therefore, that character won't even be in your party at the end. Is that a big or small issue? However, before you get to the end of the game, there is a significant plot line that will or will not even unfold depending on whether the Krogan is with you or not. Is that big or small?Ask yourself if maybe you are the one with the comprehension problem. You are starting with the assumption that there are huge overriding decisions...decisions which make everything preceding them irrelevant. You are doing so because you are trapped in a world with two choices: good or evil. Wherein the last portion of the game follows either a good path or a bad path regardless of what went before. Pick an ending. Replay and pick the other ending. What if there are multiple choices? Or better still, what if there are no choices? What if what matters is all the little choices along the way and there is no definitive choice at the end? What if there are six paths, or ten paths, or however many, that get you to the same final scene, and there is only one final scene? What if the real replay is in the numerous choices you make along the way...not just the final choice you make after 80% of the game is over. I'd rather replay 95% of the game and have that go differently....than play the same thing over again just so I can get a few different cutscenes at the end.Maybe you need to change your perspective from how many cutscene options do I have at the end vs how meaningful, interesting and differentare the choices I make along the 95% of gameplay that precedes the end.SUD123456

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]What huge over-arcing choices? What makes you think there are definitive single choices that override everything else in the game?Here I'll give you a smaller choice. According to the 20 min demo, you can choose a couple of times to have the Krogan Battle Master join your party. If you turn him down enough, eventually you no longer have that option. Therefore, that character won't even be in your party at the end. Is that a big or small issue? However, before you get to the end of the game, there is a significant plot line that will or will not even unfold depending on whether the Krogan is with you or not. Is that big or small?Ask yourself if maybe you are the one with the comprehension problem. You are starting with the assumption that there are huge overriding decisions...decisions which make everything preceding them irrelevant. You are doing so because you are trapped in a world with two choices: good or evil. Wherein the last portion of the game follows either a good path or a bad path regardless of what went before. Pick an ending. Replay and pick the other ending. What if there are multiple choices? Or better still, what if there are no choices? What if what matters is all the little choices along the way and there is no definitive choice at the end? What if there are six paths, or ten paths, or however many, that get you to the same final scene, and there is only one final scene? What if the real replay is in the numerous choices you make along the way...not just the final choice you make after 80% of the game is over. I'd rather replay 95% of the game and have that go differently....than play the same thing over again just so I can get a few different cutscenes at the end.Maybe you need to change your perspective from how many cutscene options do I have at the end vs how meaningful, interesting and differentare the choices I make along the 95% of gameplay that precedes the end.Vandalvideo

Actually that is not all they say in the interview. Yes they say there are smaller and larger choices...but they also go out of there way to say that they aren't the only things that matter. And they go out of their way to note the Krogan choice I used above as important to the plot unfolding...and guess what, it isn't a big momentus decision at the end.

Actually that is not all they say in the interview. Yes they say there are smaller and larger choices...but they also go out of there way to say that they aren't the only things that matter. And they go out of their way to note the Krogan choice I used above as important to the plot unfolding...and guess what, it isn't a big momentus decision at the end.SUD123456

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]Actually that is not all they say in the interview. Yes they say there are smaller and larger choices...but they also go out of there way to say that they aren't the only things that matter. And they go out of their way to note the Krogan choice I used above as important to the plot unfolding...and guess what, it isn't a big momentus decision at the end.Vandalvideo

Maybe you should just not play this game. How about that? No life altering choices there, play it or dont..... see what ending YOU get.

Cant wait to play it on PC:Dno_submission

Well your going to have to.

Vandalvideo, no matter how you look at it, Mass Effect is still a huge leap forward in RPG conversation and morality. It is the most advanced we have ever seen. How your decisions affect the outcome of the game, small or large, is up for debate because we just don't know yet just how advanced the "butterfly effect" portion of the game is. This seems to be your biggest concern.

I have done a lot of reading on this game and I have not come across any interview or preview of the game that indicates that the major decisions you make in the game overrides the smaller ones in every single situation. It may be true for some events, but not true for others. We just don't know for sure.

Bioware has consistently said that, "the actions you take throughout the game, from beginning to end, can determine the outcome." For me, this is a big leap forward from KotOR where only one decision in the game really mattered in terms of the outcome. Just how many outcomes are there? Bioware hasn't said. There could be dozens for all we know. But I'm sure we'll get a better understanding of how advanced it is when people play and win the game and then comment on these boards how the game ended for them, and then we can compare.

Well to each their own. I am one that doesn't care much about the ending as long as there is a satisfactory one. I believe the replay value is in what happens other than the ending. Like I said, I'd rather replay 95% of the game where different things happen based upon your choices, rather than follow a single path which leads to one of two final paths and one of two final cutscenes.

The problem for me in Kotor and the like was not the final choice and overriding the previous choices. The problem for me is that I'd play the game...say as good. And then, yah, I'll play it over as evil....ugh, nothing was different except the ending, and other than the occasional satisfaction of choosing evil over good, the exact same plot, with the exact same lines, choices, etc....unfolded again. To me there was very little replay value in that.

With this game, I am hopeful you can actually play it a second time, and yes maybe 50% of the game will be the same, but hopefully the other 50% plays differently. That to me is replay value.

I see your point. I hope you are wrong, but even if you are right, I hope that I am right in that the small choices lead to better replay value, regardless of the ending.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]But with ME, if you commit to evil acts throughout, there are options for good that simply WILL NOT BE GIVEN TO YOU. Your choices will now affect what future morality options you have to take. Same for acting heroically for the larger part of the game, certain evil options don't show up for you any more.Vandalvideo

I DID link it in that same post which you only partially quoted.

Here it is AGAIN

That video just solidifies 07 GOTY IMO

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]But with ME, if you commit to evil acts throughout, there are options for good that simply WILL NOT BE GIVEN TO YOU. Your choices will now affect what future morality options you have to take. Same for acting heroically for the larger part of the game, certain evil options don't show up for you any more.AdobeArtist

I DID link it in that same post which you only partially quoted.

Here it is AGAIN

Yeah. This game has raised everybody's expectations sky-high. Even 360 haters have to acknowledge what looks like absolute greatness. Fingers crossed...WeeWeeJumbo

Yep. I think this game is guaranteed to be AAA and a GOTY candidate, and I don't even own a 360... yet. This is one game I think it's pretty safe to say will live up to the hype. I will be shocked if it doesn't.

Vandalvideo, you are wrong... Bioware already stated that ME will not have that one conversation were if you go back and change your answer, you will get a completely different ending. Instead, the game tracks every major thing completed throughout the game to give an ending. Yes, there may be those ultimatum situations, but they dont all happen at the end of the game, and the game tracks more than just how you respond to those....wolverine4262