Mass Effect Proves the Need for Blu Ray

The only thing Blu-ray is neededd for this gen is fitting JRPGs with lots of custscenes onto one disk.

And that doesnt exactly matter, JRPGs dont benefit from being on one. I remember back to FF7 there were some variable between the disks that i loved. For example, in disk 2 you would have to go to the cave and talk to people regarding vincent i believe and in disk 3 you could claim his final limit break move if you went there in disk 2. Granted, this could easily work on one disk but it wouldnt be as defined

not at the moment. but eventually, maybe next gen, blu ray will be needed.nintendoman562

maybe. last gen the avergae game size was 2-4 GB. This gen its 3-6.

You know, Halo was confirmed 5.9 GB, Mass Effect 6. X, Oblivion 4, etc.

Its definately not at its top yet.

I like Blu-Ray on PS3. The uncompress audio sounds sweet on my 7.1 Onkyo system. I'm not sure if there are differtn in compress images but sounds makes a big differtn when it comes to compress or not. To alot of people it may not be a big deal but I'm into AVs stuff.ni6htmare01

you bought an onkyo system..? hahha, poor kid. Listen boy, you cant tell thee difference between uncompressed audio and compressed when its that level of quality. The human hear can only hear so much. Unless of course, your not huamn. You freak.

i think blu-ray will be needed.

But not until next gen or at the very least the very end of this gen.

I mean come on, zelda was 40 hours and that was onone gamecube disc. and metroid was around 20 hours, making it probably the longest shooter this gen.

well honestly i think the game wouldve benefitted from blu ray not for length but for scale. there's a full galaxy to explore but only one planet has a civilization on it and the few others that you can actually land on are barren wastelands with a few enemies on them. thats really disappointing i wanted a big city on every planet. blu ray really couldve helped achieve that.blues3531

It's costing 10's of millions of dollars to build this "one' civilization your talking about in mass effect. More would cost 10's of millions of dollars and countless extra man hours. Can a company take such a huge risk? I dont think so. And one more thing, you say that mass effect only has one world with civliization, do you have link to that please? i'd like to see it.

It's not needed, but it helps allot.....

No need for two disks, no need for compression, which decreases the quality and full extent of everything in general, including sound, sometimes textures, etc....however, in the future, not blu-ray will be needed, but disks that hold much more space, which will equal better quality and higher sound outputs, etc... etc...and blu-ray does hold more space, thus it will satisfy this need...

You guys will see once you see PS3 games supporting 1080i or whatever, which superior sound quality beyond Surround Sound 7.1, and all the quality fanatics, who've gotten blu-ray because some of this stuff instead of HDDVD, the gap will only increase wider throughout the years...

It's basically like the 360 format will be likie when the 360 came out and Sony fans still had ps2's, it will be extremely inferior, and an intrest would be lost in it...

Muzzle_Flashes

hahaha... the epitome of a cow

Mass Effect uses 6.3 gigs but the 360 has to stream ALOT more then the PS3 which allows the PS3 to use its power for something else.Sony_92

what is thing that it has to stream ALOT? what is it 'streaming' that the ps3 isnt? what are you talking about cow?

This happens to Sony EVERY YEAR. History repeats itself with their media storage.

They come out with something better than what's on the market now and it gets shut down.

It happened with UMD, BETA maxes, now the BLU-ray, and an array of many other storage devices. They are all much superior than whats on the market, but microsoft has to go and screw it all up.

Anyone remember the VCR and the Video tapes? Sony had come out with something better, more durable, clearer, and better than regular video tapes, but it just never gained popularity.

Blu ray IS better than HDDVD. Period. It just isn't as popular and never finds its way to surpass the idiots on the market buying up these inferior media devices.

It makes me feel bad for Sony.

[QUOTE="aznfool07"]

[QUOTE="i-lick-monkeys"]well alot of the people said the performance of mass effect was bad...maybe with blue ray it could of been better?i-lick-monkeys

No it wouldn't.

how do you know?

The issues should be related to the faster memory (RAM type), not disc memory. I could be wrong though.

More memory on a disc, like blue-ray, will allow for more media to be used by the game. Th

[QUOTE="i-lick-monkeys"][QUOTE="aznfool07"]

[QUOTE="i-lick-monkeys"]well alot of the people said the performance of mass effect was bad...maybe with blue ray it could of been better?SkullboyX

No it wouldn't.

how do you know?

The link provided by TC noted that there was plenty of room for Mass Effect and that future versions of the game should have no problem being created using the same disc technology (DIV-9).

So Mass Effect proves that dope-a** games can easily be created for the 360 using DIV-9 discs.

This happens to Sony EVERY YEAR. History repeats itself with their media storage.

They come out with something better than what's on the market now and it gets shut down.

It happened with UMD, BETA maxes, now the BLU-ray, and an array of many other storage devices. They are all much superior than whats on the market, but microsoft has to go and screw it all up.

Anyone remember the VCR and the Video tapes? Sony had come out with something better, more durable, clearer, and better than regular video tapes, but it just never gained popularity.

Blu ray IS better than HDDVD. Period. It just isn't as popular and never finds its way to surpass the idiots on the market buying up these inferior media devices.

It makes me feel bad for Sony.

kingman03

It might be better 'technologically' but thast not the only thing that defines 'better'.Theres cost, usability, features, consumer friendlyness, industry support. I could go on. Fact is sony's storage solutions might be very technologically advanced compared to competitors, but it doesnt do much in the other parts.

This happens to Sony EVERY YEAR. History repeats itself with their media storage.

They come out with something better than what's on the market now and it gets shut down.

It happened with UMD, BETA maxes, now the BLU-ray, and an array of many other storage devices. They are all much superior than whats on the market, but microsoft has to go and screw it all up.

Anyone remember the VCR and the Video tapes? Sony had come out with something better, more durable, clearer, and better than regular video tapes, but it just never gained popularity.

Blu ray IS better than HDDVD. Period. It just isn't as popular and never finds its way to surpass the idiots on the market buying up these inferior media devices.

It makes me feel bad for Sony.

kingman03

Well, I would be classified as a Lemming i guess (but not a fanboy) and i truly do believe that Bluray will win the format war and that there is a good chance that the Xbox 3 will be using Blu-ray (as opposed to HD-DVD )

How do you think the 360 can fit alot that info on a DVD? They compact it. The 360 has to decompact it which the CPU does. With Blu-Ray you dont have to decompact it which allows the Cell to do other things.Pretty much with Blu-Ray to uses less of the CPU.

Uncharted will prove that games need blu ray.DaysAirlines

So your opinion of the necessity of blu ray is that every region that the game comes out on should have multiple languages be put on a single disc. Because you know, ever american, or european, or japanese, ectgamer can speak multiple languages, let alone the 7 languages that waste space on a single blu-ray disc. Yeah... we definitly need that.

You may not believe this but you remove the unnecessary languages for each region and guess what, You get a DVD 9 title. All this does is save time in the localization process. Given the extra costs of blu-ray over dvd 9 I doubt the amount of money saved really worth it.

[QUOTE="kingman03"]

This happens to Sony EVERY YEAR. History repeats itself with their media storage.

They come out with something better than what's on the market now and it gets shut down.

It happened with UMD, BETA maxes, now the BLU-ray, and an array of many other storage devices. They are all much superior than whats on the market, but microsoft has to go and screw it all up.

Anyone remember the VCR and the Video tapes? Sony had come out with something better, more durable, clearer, and better than regular video tapes, but it just never gained popularity.

Blu ray IS better than HDDVD. Period. It just isn't as popular and never finds its way to surpass the idiots on the market buying up these inferior media devices.

It makes me feel bad for Sony.

smugdarkloser12

Well, I would be classified as a Lemming i guess (but not a fanboy) and i truly do believe that Bluray will win the format war and that there is a good chance that the Xbox 3 will be using Blu-ray (as opposed to HD-DVD )

Uncharted will prove that games need blu ray.DaysAirlines

how?

In a few years bluray will prove it is needed.jtdawg23

oh great, we're back on the just wait thing...

I think Blu-ray is needed for graphics and sound, and the format that can keep this bigger data, mid 2008 will show how much is the new format is needed.

People, do you honestly think new tech in PS3 will see the light in day one, I don't think so, I think everything is new for Sony and developers, Blu-ray, CELL, next-gen online play, one year is not enough.

I believe we will see the difference in mid 2008, major leaps will begin in 2009.

I think we should clear some things up here, if you know2 technology, or if you don't, just read:

Mass Effect has a huge world, and a massive dialogue etc... Don't think though that there aren't any drawbacks. Since a DVD was used, many things DID happen, I don't care what you fanboys of 360 or PS3 or whatever say:

Sound is compressed. Some people like that, I personally don't care.

Textures are less refined. The graphics may be amazing, but the textures could have been better.

Worlds aren't as vast as you say they are. Some are inhabited, and you see some of the same creatures over and over again. Lots of planets look alike as well, and the graphics could have been better.

Mass Effect might have been put on a DVD, but if it was put on just a single layer BD rom, all of those problems would have been fixed. The size of the disc has nothing to do with framerate, graphics, etc... that's all on the devloper, the CPU, GPU, etc...

In regards to "if next gen games need BD roms". The answer is, yes. Mass Effect might be huge, but not everything is perfect. With a Blu-Ray disc, you'll see more things on screen, not necessarily clutter, but more things that can be a feast for your eyes. Worlds don't have to be LONGER, they can be incredibly different, and there can be new forms of life everywhere without any storage problems whatsoever.

When you mention games like Pokemon, or Oblivion, there is another catch. Notice how many things aren't different? Lots of the same life, same buildings, and same style? Notice how Oblivion's dungeons all looked the same? Same textures? With a next gen disc (HDDVD or Blu Ray) I guarantee you will see no more of that. Call me a liar, flame me, I don't care. I'm a big gamer, but you MS and Sony and Nintendo fanboys have to learn some stuff before you rant about how bad the opposing consoles are.

or maybe not! All these people on system wars keep saying how blu ray is NEEDED. I can understand their confusion, what with heavenly sword and uncharted nearly maxing out the blu ray disc and all. But take a look at Mass Effect, a game that is pobably much more epic and broader than both those ps3 games combined, yet only takes up a measly 6.4 gigs! Thats truly amazing. The game has some of the slickest graphics ever seen on a console and theres so much depth to the worlds. Not to emention over 2.5 million words of dialogue. Thats pretty frieking amazing. All with another 2.6 gigs left to boot! I've also heard people, cow's no doubt, saying how mass effect was trimmed by 4 gigs to make it fit on dvd9. If they have 2.6 gigs left over on the final product, why would they trim so much? Please, Cows, explain. Here is the link.

http://www.n4g.com/News-81134.aspx

oomph_aah

its called Repetitive worlds my friend. Just like Oblivion. the same thing keeps being used over and over and over again of course with different missions..etc. It you were to build new worlds or scenesfor the entire game you will not be able to fit it on a single DVD. Heck they have already used more than one dvd last gen with certain games. why don't you guys understand this?How long the game is has nothing to do with how big its size is on the Disk, Get it????!!!!!

[QUOTE="aznfool07"]

[QUOTE="i-lick-monkeys"]well alot of the people said the performance of mass effect was bad...maybe with blue ray it could of been better?i-lick-monkeys

No it wouldn't.

how do you know?

I've had nothing wrong with the performance of Mass Effect... theres next to NO slowdown during fights and the only time i've really seen noticable slowdown is when in standing in the middle of a GIGANTIC environment, hardly anything to whine about. This game has more content than all the PS3 exclusives put together.

Then why was space a problem for PGR 4?

I mean they wased space by putting different levels of rain, fog, snow, and day, but they could add the choice to race during the day or night for any track.

It makes me wonder how Mass Effect isn't on more than one DVD without problems, yet PGR 4 devs say otherwise.

Hm. I guess some devs just suck at some things when compared to others.

Anyway. I hope Mass Effect gets a wonder score because Its my most wanted upcoming game at the moment.

Then why was space a problem for PGR 4?

I mean they wased space by putting different levels of rain, fog, snow, and day, but they could add the choice to race during the day or night for any track.

It makes me wonder how Mass Effect isn't on more than one DVD without problems, yet PGR 4 devs say otherwise.

Hm. I guess some devs just suck at some things when compared to others.

Anyway. I hope Mass Effect gets a wonder score because Its my most wanted upcoming game at the moment.

Cedmln

Space was a problem for PGR4. The textures aren't as refined as they could have been. The in-car views are terribleas well.The levels weren't massive, and there weren't too many tracks. Did I mention there aren't even 100 cars? This is getting trick for developers because the more pros they add to a game on a DVD, the less space they have to work with for everything fine.

The graphics are amazing on PGR4, but when GT5 comes out, your eyes will pop out of your head.

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]

The graphics are amazing on PGR4, but when GT5 comes out, your eyes will pop out of your head.

Vorserider2

Have you noticed that nobody but Cows actually care about GT5 ?

If graphics are the only thing worth talking endlessly about a racing sim then it isn't really worth playing.

*Gets popcorn to watch the show*Nagidar

Lol sytem wars always makes me get out popcorn xD

Have you noticed that nobody but Cows actually care about GT5 ?

BambooBanger

I wouldn't be so sure about that. You saying that means that there are TONS of cows out there because plenty of people support the GT franchise. A lot more than any othercar driving or racing game.

I think that blu-ray just isn't needed right Now. For example, There now exsist both HDMI DVD players, and HD dvd burners ( As in regular 8gig DVDs). The amount of space required for an HD movie isn't that high, certainly not 60 gigs. for example, the HD version of the MS press conference, which was a good 2 hours, is only 1173 megs. Is sony planning on making a 40 hour movie?Maybe to explain the plot of halo 2? Sure, theirs going to be bonus content, but know where near 8 gigs of it. Blu-ray needs a ton of space, because the disc reader is only 1x, which is very slow compared to 12x DVD drives, and 56x CD drives. So inorder to speed up load times, one file is repeated 100's of times.

So essentially, Games need the space of Blu-ray, because they are on blu-ray. if they were on a standard DVD, or and HDMI DVD, they wouldn't need to be repeated as many times, thus not needing the 52 extra gigs of space.

I personally believe that US americans buy it because, some people out there in our nation don't have brains, and we need to make our education over here, to help south africa, and the iraq.

so 9gbis better than 50gb?

and dvd9 can hold more data than bluray?

. The game has some of the slickest graphics ever seenoomph_aah

the graphics are not that special, its the gameplay that is

so 9gbis better than 50gb?

and dvd9 can hold more data than bluray?

dulgn_ps

yes

[QUOTE="oomph_aah"]

or maybe not! All these people on system wars keep saying how blu ray is NEEDED. I can understand their confusion, what with heavenly sword and uncharted nearly maxing out the blu ray disc and all. But take a look at Mass Effect, a game that is pobably much more epic and broader than both those ps3 games combined, yet only takes up a measly 6.4 gigs! Thats truly amazing. The game has some of the slickest graphics ever seen on a console and theres so much depth to the worlds. Not to emention over 2.5 million words of dialogue. Thats pretty frieking amazing. All with another 2.6 gigs left to boot! I've also heard people, cow's no doubt, saying how mass effect was trimmed by 4 gigs to make it fit on dvd9. If they have 2.6 gigs left over on the final product, why would they trim so much? Please, Cows, explain. Here is the link.

http://www.n4g.com/News-81134.aspx

MotoRacer81

its called Repetitive worlds my friend. Just like Oblivion. the same thing keeps being used over and over and over again of course with different missions..etc. It you were to build new worlds or scenesfor the entire game you will not be able to fit it on a single DVD. Heck they have already used more than one dvd last gen with certain games. why don't you guys understand this?How long the game is has nothing to do with how big its size is on the Disk, Get it????!!!!!

which graphically advanced 360 game has 'more' repetetive worlds than ps3 game? I'd like to see it. Don't just pull things straight out of your ass without giving evidence, examples.

Not needed??

Optical Drive - As many have speculated, Xenon will not use Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Games will come on dual-layer DVD-9 discs. While the media is the same as that of the current Xbox, the usable space on each disc is up to 7 GB. The drive is slated to run at 12X. http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox/microsoft-xbox/594331p1.html

So only half a gig left, that is if you are even able to fill a disc to its full limit.

[QUOTE="dulgn_ps"]

so 9gbis better than 50gb?

and dvd9 can hold more data than bluray?

Fumpa

yes

oh thats what lems think :oops:

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Uncharted will prove that games need blu ray.oomph_aah

hasn't uncharted already come out? Whast this 'will' business? Either it 'has' or 'hasn't'. Look, boy, uncharted at max capacity blu ray is not much different than gears of war on dvd9. Really it isn't. Cow's say uncharted is better, lemmings say 360 is better. Thats abotu the only difference between the two.

How can you say uncharted and mass efgfect look similar? Uncharted looks amazing! At the moment uncharted is the best game on a console yet. simple. dont just lie like that, makes you look stupid.

the only thing that will prove that is if some game comes out with 4 or 5 discs, and the same game have 1 or 2 disc. if that makes any sense at all.

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[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]Uncharted will prove that games need blu ray.DaysAirlines

Really?