Mass Effect Shows Blu-Ray isnt Needed?

ANOTHER PS3 bashing thread from you? :roll:Heil68

I own a PS3 :? I honestly want to know if Blu-Ray will ever really be needed this gen or are games like Mass Effect showing it doesnt...if it doesnt o well, a blu-ray player is a plus in my eyes.

I would love to hear Bioware's take on whether or not BR would have helped Mass Effect. The biggest issue with the game (at least from what I've heard) was development time, so it would be interesting to hear if they think the ability to use BR/HD-DVD would have allowed them to add more content.PBSnipes

Mass Effect has lotssssss of load times (some very long) choppy framerates quit consistantly and massive texture pop in. How does that prove Blu-ray isnt needed? black_awpN1

I put a question mark at the end of my title.

I was just wondering if you guys feel after playing Mass Effect that DVD is still the only format needed this gen? I ask because I remember the developers talking about how there will be tons of planets and how you can go exploring on each and everyone...xTHExJUICEx

Most of the planets are barren landscapes. I don't know if blu-ray would solve that problem, but having lots of planets per se doesn't mean space isn't an issue.

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]Mass Effect has lotssssss of load times (some very long) choppy framerates quit consistantly and massive texture pop in. How does that prove Blu-ray isnt needed? xTHExJUICEx

I put a question mark at the end of my title.

oops my bad. Still, the game dosent prove Blu-Ray is not needed.

Mass Effect is an amazing game, I don't know if Blu-Ray would really make a difference because that would have been up to the developer.

I know they used some great compression techniques on the game itself and with Blu-Ray they wouldn't have had to use any at all. It's all about the system itself and Mass Effect would have benefited graphically from the HDD that comes with every PS3, It would have reduced the pop-in greatly.

I would like to see what they would do with mass effect if it was on Blu-ray actually there might not be many bugs like in the 360 version. And the "tons" of planets was way OVERHYPED :lol:Gh0st_Of_0nyx

those glitches were mostly on Bioware's end. Seriously, stuff loads to a hard drive anyway. I'm not saying that Blu-Ray might not be a superior format eventually, but to suggest its the holy grail of gaming is asinine.

bluray isn't needed I guess because the cost of using all that space can't be made up in profits (killzone2).

Thing is though, that it means that Sony's first party will have to step up and fully utilize their advantages like nintendo did with the n64. Also, Sony will have to encourage third parties with money and support to do the same.

Oh, but mass effect's barren worlds are actually kind of cool, and very realistic when you think about it.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]ANOTHER PS3 bashing thread from you? :roll:xTHExJUICEx

I own a PS3 :? I honestly want to know if Blu-Ray will ever really be needed this gen or are games like Mass Effect showing it doesnt...if it doesnt o well, a blu-ray player is a plus in my eyes.

well blu-ray isnt need...but it makes games that much better. imagine mass effect if it wat on blu-ray, you can have heaps of planets that you can actually go to, and from what ive heard the terrain aint that interesting or anything.

If anything Mass Effect shows that Blu-ray is needed and the limitations of DVD9

Reused textures FTL..... :(

If anything Mass Effect shows that Blu-ray is needed and the limitations of DVD9

Reused textures FTL..... :(

A_New_Life

Textures are re-used to cut down on production costs (producing unique textures for every surface increases texture authoring time exponentially) ..and to cut down system memory consumption (redundant textures in an environment are only instanced once in system memory.)

Disc space/storage isn't the limitation when it comes to texture variance. It's money and hardware.

You can't explore every one of the planets but it is still a great game. Also there is barely any slow downs or frame rate loss in this game. I remember seeing some vids and it has a lot of it but that much **** NEVER happens to mine and it runs smooth and I've only been stuck once or twice in a rock or railing.alamgir1942

Maybe it's just my **** Xbox360 which is probably on it's last legs but i get drop in Frameart quite a bit also their is time where i get Loading...

Mass Effect doesn't use FMV really like FF and other JRPG's do. FMV intensive titles are really the only games on multiple discs for the 360.

Bluray is a luxury, not a requirement at this point. The huge amount of extra space on the disc is probably a very good thingfor developers though.

I would like to see what they would do with mass effect if it was on Blu-ray actually there might not be many bugs like in the 360 version. And the "tons" of planets was way OVERHYPED :lol:Gh0st_Of_0nyx

Bluray doesnt mean no glitches, but you are correct about the over hyped amount of planets..and the overuse of barren terrain...

In all honesty..other than the dialogue and the special effects, I have a strong distaste towards Mass Effect...

[QUOTE="alamgir1942"]You can't explore every one of the planets but it is still a great game. Also there is barely any slow downs or frame rate loss in this game. I remember seeing some vids and it has a lot of it but that much **** NEVER happens to mine and it runs smooth and I've only been stuck once or twice in a rock or railing.torontomapleafs

Maybe it's just my **** Xbox360 which is probably on it's last legs but i get drop in Frameart quite a bit also their is time where i get Loading...

its not your 360, the game is buggy. It froze on me 3 times, and the frame rate drops a lot.

[QUOTE="torontomapleafs"]

[QUOTE="alamgir1942"]You can't explore every one of the planets but it is still a great game. Also there is barely any slow downs or frame rate loss in this game. I remember seeing some vids and it has a lot of it but that much **** NEVER happens to mine and it runs smooth and I've only been stuck once or twice in a rock or railing.mazdero

Maybe it's just my **** Xbox360 which is probably on it's last legs but i get drop in Frameart quite a bit also their is time where i get Loading...

its not your 360, the game is buggy. It froze on me 3 times, and the frame rate drops a lot.

[QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="torontomapleafs"]

[QUOTE="alamgir1942"]You can't explore every one of the planets but it is still a great game. Also there is barely any slow downs or frame rate loss in this game. I remember seeing some vids and it has a lot of it but that much **** NEVER happens to mine and it runs smooth and I've only been stuck once or twice in a rock or railing.PBSnipes

Maybe it's just my **** Xbox360 which is probably on it's last legs but i get drop in Frameart quite a bit also their is time where i get Loading...

its not your 360, the game is buggy. It froze on me 3 times, and the frame rate drops a lot.

I don't think its hardware related since all my other 360 games run perfectly.

Just about all of the planets were carbon copies of the Sahara and Antarctica. They were all the same. It's not difficult to fit a whole lot of nothing onto a DVD.

If all of the planets were more unique on the other hand, they probably would have had major problems.

Blu-Ray isn't needed, it's a nice addition, just like my GeForce 8800 I'm going to get soon. wemhim

8800GT GTS GTX ULTRA? I just got my 8800GT for xmas, i haven't been able to use it yet though because im waiting on a new PSU that should be coming in afew days.

Of course Blu ray isnt need.

Its not a bad thing its there though.

Blu-Ray isn't needed. It would have drastically slowed the industry if devs were forced to use it. Games would take forever to develop.SkullboyX

Production costs would have been higher, developent times of games would be untouched.

I would love to hear Bioware's take on whether or not BR would have helped Mass Effect. The biggest issue with the game (at least from what I've heard) was development time, so it would be interesting to hear if they think the ability to use BR/HD-DVD would have allowed them to add more content.PBSnipes

They would be able to utilize the Blu-Ray space without any issues. The main problems Bioware would have with Blu-Ray is the very slow transfer rate and the amount of time they would need to fill the disk. If you think it took a long time making the game on the XBox 360, imagine how long it'll take to make it on the PS3. Probably a good 2-3yrs I would think. Just think about it. Where is FFXIII? Didn't they start making this game back in summer of 2005 and it may not even be released in 2008. That's the problem RPG developers are going to have with programming on the PS3. Not saying the games won't be great, just saying you'll be waiting forever to finally play it. Most most publishers, they want the game done in under 2yrs so they can start seeing profits from it.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]I would love to hear Bioware's take on whether or not BR would have helped Mass Effect. The biggest issue with the game (at least from what I've heard) was development time, so it would be interesting to hear if they think the ability to use BR/HD-DVD would have allowed them to add more content.XanderZane

They would be able to utilize the Blu-Ray space without any issues. The main problems Bioware would have with Blu-Ray is the very slow transfer rate and the amount of time they would need to fill the disk. If you think it took a long time making the game on the XBox 360, imagine how long it'll take to make it on the PS3. Probably a good 2-3yrs I would think. Just think about it. Where is FFXIII? Didn't they start making this game back in summer of 2005 and it may not even be released in 2008. That's the problem RPG developers are going to have with probleming on the PS3. Not saying the games won't be great, just saying you'll be waiting forever to finally play it. Most most publishers, they want the game done in under 2yrs so they can start seeing profits from it.

Once the tech is all in place, the games will come quicker. Right now devs are building engines and discovering what these consoles can and cannot do. Exception being the wii, devs already know what its technically capable of.

[QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="torontomapleafs"]

[QUOTE="alamgir1942"]You can't explore every one of the planets but it is still a great game. Also there is barely any slow downs or frame rate loss in this game. I remember seeing some vids and it has a lot of it but that much **** NEVER happens to mine and it runs smooth and I've only been stuck once or twice in a rock or railing.PBSnipes

Maybe it's just my **** Xbox360 which is probably on it's last legs but i get drop in Frameart quite a bit also their is time where i get Loading...

its not your 360, the game is buggy. It froze on me 3 times, and the frame rate drops a lot.

The problem is, even if it was made on the PS3, you would still see the same issues (Look at Madden 08 and Orange Box on the PS3, which have the same problems with framerate and textures). The transfer rate on Blu-Ray is even slower then DVD. So people who are saying the load times are long, imagine how long they would be on the PS3. :? As someone else said, Blu-Ray is more of a luxury right now for publishers/developers who can afford the time to fill the disk with extra content. It's not necessarily needed yet. Sony has the right idea, but the format is before it's time. In another 3-5 years Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will be perfected and the transfer rate will probably be faster then DVD by then. All the negatives for these 2 formats should be fixed and then at that time Blu-Ray & HD-DVD will definitely be better for gaming.

Blue dragon and Oblivion has proven it is not needed far before MEsaolin323

Blue Dragon would have benefited from use of HDD though, what was microsoft thinking?

[QUOTE="saolin323"]Blue dragon and Oblivion has proven it is not needed far before METerroRizing

Blue Dragon would have benefited from use of HDD though, what was microsoft thinking?

Well the difference would be minimal anyway, Mass Effect would benefit more from a HDD cache IMO, even though the problems it has are really minor too

Mass Effect has lotssssss of load times (some very long) choppy framerates quit consistantly and massive texture pop in. How does that prove Blu-ray isnt needed? black_awpN1

too bad the lack of RAM and the slow BR drive in the PS3 would harm the game FAR more than that. :lol: