Massachusetts Legislature To Discuss Possible Games As Porn Bill

Be afraid, be very afraid what these folks are trying to do !

I don't know about all of you but me, I want to know how in the heck these people can with straight faces be trying to go after vg when so many actual pressing issues going on in the world and these tarts are trying to make political points with the soccer moms.

I'm telling you...... Watch out and grab you're wallet just in case because in most cases these politicos are like magicians; watch this hand while the other hand is picking you're pockets.

In other words: pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

Before anyone says something about protecting the children - I'm all for that which is why we have the rating system but this constantly going after the VG business is nothing more then government noticing the rise of this industry and wants to cash in and get some of that bling for themselves. :?

Anywho, this is only in one state but should they prevail this time we may just have to buy our future VG in some back alley shop with kooky neon lights and signs outside stating adults only. ;)

Here's the article. http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/A9B4FA25-5691-4DA2-8567-2999377776F4.htm

I'm not understanding the article. It says video games would go through the "video games as porn" approach. It seems to suggest that violent video games will be made illegal to sell to minors since they are harmful to them. If I'm reading it correctly, then this law would only apply to M rated games.Zhengi

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]I'm not understanding the article. It says video games would go through the "video games as porn" approach. It seems to suggest that violent video games will be made illegal to sell to minors since they are harmful to them. If I'm reading it correctly, then this law would only apply to M rated games.SecretPolice

I am against this but.....

When I pick up GTA4 in the next month and a half or so and go online for some MP gaming, I bet there are a TON of children and teens playing the game.

How many people that will post in this thread are not old enough to purchase that game? A lot I imagine.

No matter what anyone says, as a general rule, people assume games are for kids and kids alone.

I do not plan on playing that game with anyone under age. Gaming communitys are more toxic then ever and I expect GTA4 to give my ignore feature its most crushing workout yet.

Censor daytime and nightime television the same way then, as its even more accessible to children.

We'd be left with the news, and kids cartoons ... 90% of everything else has sexual referance ... even light comedies .... and well violence :lol:

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]I'm not understanding the article. It says video games would go through the "video games as porn" approach. It seems to suggest that violent video games will be made illegal to sell to minors since they are harmful to them. If I'm reading it correctly, then this law would only apply to M rated games.Coyo7e

I am against this but.....

When I pick up GTA4 in the next month and a half or so and go online for some MP gaming, I bet there are a TON of children and teens playing the game.

How many people that will post in this thread are not old enough to purchase that game? A lot I imagine.

No matter what anyone says, as a general rule, people assume games are for kids and kids alone.

I do not plan on playing that game with anyone under age. Gaming communitys are more toxic then ever and I expect GTA4 to give my ignore feature its most crushing workout yet.

Seems like the title of the law or legistlation or whatever is misleading people. They aren't calling games porn. They want to restrict the sales of M rated and AO rated to minors. Someone seriously tell me what is wrong with that? Afraid that your children can't go to the mall and buy Manhunt? Afraid that you have to buy it for them? To me this seems like parents are given more control. If they don't want their children playing M rated games, atleast the kids can't go secretly to a store and buy those.Drathyl

Any parent that does not know what games their children are playing already, will not get any more help from this law.

Last I checked High School kids still get booze pretty easy and all the "just say no" commercials aimed at the little idiots leads me to believe drugs are still a problem.

I can't wait to hear little timmy yelling over my headset about "busting a cap in someones ass".......

This wont help all the MIA parents out there.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]I'm not understanding the article. It says video games would go through the "video games as porn" approach. It seems to suggest that violent video games will be made illegal to sell to minors since they are harmful to them. If I'm reading it correctly, then this law would only apply to M rated games.SecretPolice

I am against this but.....

When I pick up GTA4 in the next month and a half or so and go online for some MP gaming, I bet there are a TON of children and teens playing the game.

How many people that will post in this thread are not old enough to purchase that game? A lot I imagine.

No matter what anyone says, as a general rule, people assume games are for kids and kids alone.

I do not plan on playing that game with anyone under age. Gaming communitys are more toxic then ever and I expect GTA4 to give my ignore feature its most crushing workout yet.

I agree with you for the most part. At the very least it is a slippery slope.

This is the effect of violent games people want more and more but it will hurt us in the end. The game industry needs to take a long look at it's self. Don't get me wrong I like allot of these games but then again I am old enough to know it is just a gameblasto65_basic

But every non violent game is laughed at by the gaming community?

You see how much abuse things like THE SIMS recieve here? ... thats not a just a forum thing either.

I dont think all violent games should be stopped, only the sinister ones, for isntance GTA/Manhunt ..., but then I like RPGs ... which are violent, but they *mainly portray good vs evil ...* ... which should be acceptable..

This could be a good thing for the gaming industry. This happened to the movie industry years ago and now it's a thriving industry. If there tighter regulations on the gaming industry it could then open more people with young kids want to get into gaming consoles. I know a lot of people that are very touchy about what is brought into there home and if regulations are not very tight then it's not allowed in there homes.jimm895

Video Games already have similar restrictions and ratings to movies. The article specifically mentions that no similar law currently exists for movies, music, or video games.

There is a damn rating system! And the game store I shop at will ID people for M rated games. Parents need to parent their own children and not let the state start doing it for them.

This could be a good thing for the gaming industry. This happened to the movie industry years ago and now it's a thriving industry. If there tighter regulations on the gaming industry it could then open more people with young kids want to get into gaming consoles. I know a lot of people that are very touchy about what is brought into there home and if regulations are not very tight then it's not allowed in there homes.jimm895

Parents who are good parents should not have government usurp their rights because of some bad apples out there which seems to be the prevailing wind behind most of this Big government, lets " move inside the home politics " to which many seem to think is a good idea. ;?

Plain and simple, people need to stop telling others how to live. Especially when it comes to law governing many people of many different opinions.

We ahve the tools available to protect children. Its the parent's job to use those tools as well as their brain to make sure their child isn't seeing something they don't want them to.

I am sick and tired of politicians, lobbyists, and weak people trying to change the law to suit their beliefs.

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]This is the effect of violent games people want more and more but it will hurt us in the end. The game industry needs to take a long look at it's self. Don't get me wrong I like allot of these games but then again I am old enough to know it is just a gameMeu2k7

But every non violent game is laughed at by the gaming community?

You see how much abuse things like THE SIMS recieve here? ... thats not a just a forum thing either.

I dont think all violent games should be stopped, only the sinister ones, for isntance GTA/Manhunt ..., but then I like RPGs ... which are violent, but they *mainly portray good vs evil ...* ... which should be acceptable..

That is insane. You think the government should put a stop to GTA and Manhunt? Have you lost your mind? I can not believe free speech can be so misunderstood in America.

I can not believe that you are really going to suggest to someone else what should be acceptable or not. Please stay far, FAR away from me.

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]This is the effect of violent games people want more and more but it will hurt us in the end. The game industry needs to take a long look at it's self. Don't get me wrong I like allot of these games but then again I am old enough to know it is just a gameMeu2k7

But every non violent game is laughed at by the gaming community?

You see how much abuse things like THE SIMS recieve here? ... thats not a just a forum thing either.

I dont think all violent games should be stopped, only the sinister ones, for isntance GTA/Manhunt ..., but then I like RPGs ... which are violent, but they *mainly portray good vs evil ...* ... which should be acceptable..

I totally agree people just dont know how to play games that dont have guns blood and gore. And I think games like GTA just make it worse because everyone knows that name and I will guaranty there will be a story about how the game is connected to some crime 6 months from now.

[QUOTE="jimm895"]This could be a good thing for the gaming industry. This happened to the movie industry years ago and now it's a thriving industry. If there tighter regulations on the gaming industry it could then open more people with young kids want to get into gaming consoles. I know a lot of people that are very touchy about what is brought into there home and if regulations are not very tight then it's not allowed in there homes.SecretPolice

Parents who are good parents should not have government usurp their rights because of some bad apples out there which seems to be the prevailing wind behind most of this Big government, lets " move inside the home politics " to which many seem to think is a good idea. ;?

While true, dont confuse "Good/Bad Parents" with Ignorant Parents, I'm pretty sure my parents were decent, but I asked this question awhile ago?

"Why did you allow be when I was younger to have games like Grand Theft Auto? When theres clearly an AGE 18 label on it".

Response:

" I figured it was more to do with difficulty than mature themes" ... quite a silly comment being a teacher and all :lol: ... but that use to be the reality of it.

Any parent that does not know what games their children are playing already, will not get any more help from this law.

Last I checked High School kids still get booze pretty easy and all the "just say no" commercials aimed at the little idiots leads me to believe drugs are still a problem.

I can't wait to hear little timmy yelling over my headset about "busting a cap in someones ass".......

This wont help all the MIA parents out there.

Coyo7e

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]This is the effect of violent games people want more and more but it will hurt us in the end. The game industry needs to take a long look at it's self. Don't get me wrong I like allot of these games but then again I am old enough to know it is just a gameblasto65_basic

But every non violent game is laughed at by the gaming community?

You see how much abuse things like THE SIMS recieve here? ... thats not a just a forum thing either.

I dont think all violent games should be stopped, only the sinister ones, for isntance GTA/Manhunt ..., but then I like RPGs ... which are violent, but they *mainly portray good vs evil ...* ... which should be acceptable..

I totally agree people just dont know how to play games that dont have guns blood and gore. And I think games like GTA just make it worse because everyone knows that name and I will guaranty there will be a story about how the game is connected to some crime 6 months from now.

I find your comments confusing coming from someone with a Family Guy avatar. That show constantly push's the boundry of good taste and what is acceptable. Let them censor your games and here they come for your shows next.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="jimm895"]This could be a good thing for the gaming industry. This happened to the movie industry years ago and now it's a thriving industry. If there tighter regulations on the gaming industry it could then open more people with young kids want to get into gaming consoles. I know a lot of people that are very touchy about what is brought into there home and if regulations are not very tight then it's not allowed in there homes.Meu2k7

Parents who are good parents should not have government usurp their rights because of some bad apples out there which seems to be the prevailing wind behind most of this Big government, lets " move inside the home politics " to which many seem to think is a good idea. ;?

While true, dont confuse "Good/Bad Parents" with Ignorant Parents, I'm pretty sure my parents were decent, but I asked this question awhile ago?

"Why did you allow be when I was younger to have games like Grand Theft Auto? When theres clearly an AGE 18 label on it".

Response:

" I figured it was more to do with difficulty than mature themes" ... quite a silly comment being a teacher and all :lol: ... but that use to be the reality of it.

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]This is the effect of violent games people want more and more but it will hurt us in the end. The game industry needs to take a long look at it's self. Don't get me wrong I like allot of these games but then again I am old enough to know it is just a gameCoyo7e

But every non violent game is laughed at by the gaming community?

You see how much abuse things like THE SIMS recieve here? ... thats not a just a forum thing either.

I dont think all violent games should be stopped, only the sinister ones, for isntance GTA/Manhunt ..., but then I like RPGs ... which are violent, but they *mainly portray good vs evil ...* ... which should be acceptable..

I totally agree people just dont know how to play games that dont have guns blood and gore. And I think games like GTA just make it worse because everyone knows that name and I will guaranty there will be a story about how the game is connected to some crime 6 months from now.

I find your comments confusing coming from someone with a Family Guy avatar. That show constantly push's the boundry of good taste and what is exceptbale. Let them censor your games and here they come for your shows next.

Pushing the boundary is the key here. Games like GTA/Manhunt are big hits because of the content. Thoes games just go right past the line on what needs to be simulated. And if you read my other post I am old enough to know what is real and not. And that what happens on a game is not the same in real life.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

Any parent that does not know what games their children are playing already, will not get any more help from this law.

Last I checked High School kids still get booze pretty easy and all the "just say no" commercials aimed at the little idiots leads me to believe drugs are still a problem.

I can't wait to hear little timmy yelling over my headset about "busting a cap in someones ass".......

This wont help all the MIA parents out there.

Drathyl

I am just suggesting that contraband will find it's way into teens hands. That best way to stop your kid from drinking and doing drugs are purchasing a mature game is to pay attention as a parent. But video games deffinatly fall under free speech witch controlled substances do not.

[QUOTE="Drathyl"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

Any parent that does not know what games their children are playing already, will not get any more help from this law.

Last I checked High School kids still get booze pretty easy and all the "just say no" commercials aimed at the little idiots leads me to believe drugs are still a problem.

I can't wait to hear little timmy yelling over my headset about "busting a cap in someones ass".......

This wont help all the MIA parents out there.

Coyo7e

I am just suggesting that contraband will find it's way into teens hands. That best way to stop your kid from drinking and doing drugs are purchasing a mature game is to pay attention as a parent. But video games deffinatly fall under free speech witch controlled substances do not.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]This is the effect of violent games people want more and more but it will hurt us in the end. The game industry needs to take a long look at it's self. Don't get me wrong I like allot of these games but then again I am old enough to know it is just a gameblasto65_basic

But every non violent game is laughed at by the gaming community?

You see how much abuse things like THE SIMS recieve here? ... thats not a just a forum thing either.

I dont think all violent games should be stopped, only the sinister ones, for isntance GTA/Manhunt ..., but then I like RPGs ... which are violent, but they *mainly portray good vs evil ...* ... which should be acceptable..

I totally agree people just dont know how to play games that dont have guns blood and gore. And I think games like GTA just make it worse because everyone knows that name and I will guaranty there will be a story about how the game is connected to some crime 6 months from now.

And that story would be false and full of ****. Games, music, and movies do NOT kill people. If all it takes to go out and kill someone is to play a game, that person's ****ed up anyway.

I grew up watching violent movies. I grew up listening to hardcore rap, since its conception. I grew up playing whatever game I wanted to. But guess what? I had parents that gave me a pair of feet on the ground. They showed me the difference between what I saw on screen or heard through the speakers and reality.

I don't walk around talking like a "G" because I listen to rap. I don't punch people in the face like I saw in Karate Kid when I was young. And I most certainly don't run people over with my car, jump out, kill someone for their car and take off like i do in GTA.

To link the two is weak. You must look at the person and see what support they have in learning life's lessons. Without that support, ANYTHING can turn you bad.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]This is the effect of violent games people want more and more but it will hurt us in the end. The game industry needs to take a long look at it's self. Don't get me wrong I like allot of these games but then again I am old enough to know it is just a gameblasto65_basic

But every non violent game is laughed at by the gaming community?

You see how much abuse things like THE SIMS recieve here? ... thats not a just a forum thing either.

I dont think all violent games should be stopped, only the sinister ones, for isntance GTA/Manhunt ..., but then I like RPGs ... which are violent, but they *mainly portray good vs evil ...* ... which should be acceptable..

I totally agree people just dont know how to play games that dont have guns blood and gore. And I think games like GTA just make it worse because everyone knows that name and I will guaranty there will be a story about how the game is connected to some crime 6 months from now.

I find your comments confusing coming from someone with a Family Guy avatar. That show constantly push's the boundry of good taste and what is exceptbale. Let them censor your games and here they come for your shows next.

Pushing the boundary is the key here. Games like GTA/Manhunt are big hits because of the content. Thoes games just go right past the line on what needs to be simulated. And if you read my other post I am old enough to know what is real and not. And that what happens on a game is not the same in real life.

Who are you to tell someone else what going to far is? When stuey kicked the crap out of brian that was burtal enough I found it hard to watch. GTA is no worse then Goodfellas, or the Godfather, or half the horror films that come out.

What about Pulp Fiction? Seriously..... or Notes From the Underground. If it offends you, you have the power to not view it. There is a rating on the box that is an easy way to let parents know its mature. Ignorance is not an excuse.

There are so many people that would LOVE To see Family Guy off the air or censored. Give them an open door, I dare you!

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]This is the effect of violent games people want more and more but it will hurt us in the end. The game industry needs to take a long look at it's self. Don't get me wrong I like allot of these games but then again I am old enough to know it is just a gameThe_Dan_K

But every non violent game is laughed at by the gaming community?

You see how much abuse things like THE SIMS recieve here? ... thats not a just a forum thing either.

I dont think all violent games should be stopped, only the sinister ones, for isntance GTA/Manhunt ..., but then I like RPGs ... which are violent, but they *mainly portray good vs evil ...* ... which should be acceptable..

I totally agree people just dont know how to play games that dont have guns blood and gore. And I think games like GTA just make it worse because everyone knows that name and I will guaranty there will be a story about how the game is connected to some crime 6 months from now.

And that story would be false and full of ****. Games, music, and movies do NOT kill people. If all it takes to go out and kill someone is to play a game, that person's ****ed up anyway.

I grew up watching violent movies. I grew up listening to hardcore rap, since its conception. I grew up playing whatever game I wanted to. But guess what? I had parents that gave me a pair of feet on the ground. They showed me the difference between what I saw on screen or heard through the speakers and reality.

I don't walk around talking like a "G" because I listen to rap. I don't punch people in the face like I saw in Karate Kid when I was young. And I most certainly don't run people over with my car, jump out, kill someone for their car and take off like i do in GTA.

To link the two is weak. You must look at the person and see what support they have in learning life's lessons. Without that support, ANYTHING can turn you bad.

There may not be a real link but games always get the blame so saying that it is weak is just crap. And this game will be the blame for a crime just wait.

Who are you to tell someone else what going to far is? When stuey kicked the crap out of brian that was burtal enough I found it hard to watch. GTA is no worse then Goodfellas, or the Godfather, or half the horror films that come out.

What about Pulp Fiction? Seriously..... or Notes From the Underground. If it offends you, you have the power to not view it. There is a rating on the box that is an easy way to let parents know its mature. Ignorance is not an excuse.

Coyo7e

[QUOTE="The_Dan_K"]

And that story would be false and full of ****. Games, music, and movies do NOT kill people. If all it takes to go out and kill someone is to play a game, that person's ****ed up anyway.

I grew up watching violent movies. I grew up listening to hardcore rap, since its conception. I grew up playing whatever game I wanted to. But guess what? I had parents that gave me a pair of feet on the ground. They showed me the difference between what I saw on screen or heard through the speakers and reality.

I don't walk around talking like a "G" because I listen to rap. I don't punch people in the face like I saw in Karate Kid when I was young. And I most certainly don't run people over with my car, jump out, kill someone for their car and take off like i do in GTA.

To link the two is weak. You must look at the person and see what support they have in learning life's lessons. Without that support, ANYTHING can turn you bad.

blasto65_basic

There may not be a real link but games always get the blame so saying that it is weak is just crap. And this game will be the blame for a crime just wait.

Oh, yeah. There are news stories, senators, lawyers, and overall morons that will tell you what you want to hear. Doesn't make it so.

If video games DID do what people like you think they do, why isn't everyone out there raping and killing? I mean, we have 100's of millions of gamers out there. A large portion play violent games. You'd think it would be a blood bath out there.

But it isn't. Because most of us know the difference between reality and whats on TV.

Tell me, do babies talk with a full, adult vocabulary? I see Stewie talk on TV, so it must be real, right?

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]This is the effect of violent games people want more and more but it will hurt us in the end. The game industry needs to take a long look at it's self. Don't get me wrong I like allot of these games but then again I am old enough to know it is just a gameCoyo7e

But every non violent game is laughed at by the gaming community?

You see how much abuse things like THE SIMS recieve here? ... thats not a just a forum thing either.

I dont think all violent games should be stopped, only the sinister ones, for isntance GTA/Manhunt ..., but then I like RPGs ... which are violent, but they *mainly portray good vs evil ...* ... which should be acceptable..

I totally agree people just dont know how to play games that dont have guns blood and gore. And I think games like GTA just make it worse because everyone knows that name and I will guaranty there will be a story about how the game is connected to some crime 6 months from now.

I find your comments confusing coming from someone with a Family Guy avatar. That show constantly push's the boundry of good taste and what is exceptbale. Let them censor your games and here they come for your shows next.

Pushing the boundary is the key here. Games like GTA/Manhunt are big hits because of the content. Thoes games just go right past the line on what needs to be simulated. And if you read my other post I am old enough to know what is real and not. And that what happens on a game is not the same in real life.

Who are you to tell someone else what going to far is? When stuey kicked the crap out of brian that was burtal enough I found it hard to watch. GTA is no worse then Goodfellas, or the Godfather, or half the horror films that come out.

What about Pulp Fiction? Seriously..... or Notes From the Underground. If it offends you, you have the power to not view it. There is a rating on the box that is an easy way to let parents know its mature. Ignorance is not an excuse.

There are so many people that would LOVE To see Family Guy off the air or censored. Give them an open door, I dare you!

I am not telling anybody anything I could care less if the whole world played that game and there heads blowup. But what you dont get is the TV, Movies and so on know how to play the game they know well we can show about 10 seconds of ass kicking and that is it. But the game industry just does not know how to play the game.

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]

There may not be a real link but games always get the blame so saying that it is weak is just crap. And this game will be the blame for a crime just wait.

JLF1

Bam!!!!

Cookie for JLF1.

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"][QUOTE="The_Dan_K"]

And that story would be false and full of ****. Games, music, and movies do NOT kill people. If all it takes to go out and kill someone is to play a game, that person's ****ed up anyway.

I grew up watching violent movies. I grew up listening to hardcore rap, since its conception. I grew up playing whatever game I wanted to. But guess what? I had parents that gave me a pair of feet on the ground. They showed me the difference between what I saw on screen or heard through the speakers and reality.

I don't walk around talking like a "G" because I listen to rap. I don't punch people in the face like I saw in Karate Kid when I was young. And I most certainly don't run people over with my car, jump out, kill someone for their car and take off like i do in GTA.

To link the two is weak. You must look at the person and see what support they have in learning life's lessons. Without that support, ANYTHING can turn you bad.

The_Dan_K

There may not be a real link but games always get the blame so saying that it is weak is just crap. And this game will be the blame for a crime just wait.

Oh, yeah. There are news stories, senators, lawyers, and overall morons that will tell you what you want to hear. Doesn't make it so.

If video games DID do what people like you think they do, why isn't everyone out there raping and killing? I mean, we have 100's of millions of gamers out there. A large portion play violent games. You'd think it would be a blood bath out there.

But it isn't. Because most of us know the difference between reality and whats on TV.

Tell me, do babies talk with a full, adult vocabulary? I see Stewie talk on TV, so it must be real, right?

Wow did you eat paint chips when you were little
blasto65_basic

Don't insult me. i haven't personally attacked you.

And, yes. They taste great.

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]

There may not be a real link but games always get the blame so saying that it is weak is just crap. And this game will be the blame for a crime just wait.

The_Dan_K

Bam!!!!

Cookie for JLF1.

Yes it is more wars have been started because of some dumb book that people believe is the one and only truth and if you dont believe well you must die

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

Who are you to tell someone else what going to far is? When stuey kicked the crap out of brian that was burtal enough I found it hard to watch. GTA is no worse then Goodfellas, or the Godfather, or half the horror films that come out.

What about Pulp Fiction? Seriously..... or Notes From the Underground. If it offends you, you have the power to not view it. There is a rating on the box that is an easy way to let parents know its mature. Ignorance is not an excuse.

The_Dan_K

Or sports even. Ultimate fighting anyone? I live i n Golden Colorado and just the other day there was a news story on our local Fox channel and they had Cell Phone Photage of kids (about 8 to 9 years old) having little UFC fighting contests.

When I was playing High School football one of our weekly events for practice was to put on boxing gloves and box. We live on a violent planet. It is ok to fantasize about violence.

Half the thoughts I have ever had are things I would never ever act on and I think anyone who says differant is full of it. It is ok to talk about it, write about it, and discuss it.

BTW, the game I am playing now? Viva Pinata. I just picked it up last night and snakes keep coming in my garden and killing my field mice and eating them.

[QUOTE="The_Dan_K"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]

I totally agree people just dont know how to play games that dont have guns blood and gore. And I think games like GTA just make it worse because everyone knows that name and I will guaranty there will be a story about how the game is connected to some crime 6 months from now.

blasto65_basic

And that story would be false and full of ****. Games, music, and movies do NOT kill people. If all it takes to go out and kill someone is to play a game, that person's ****ed up anyway.

I grew up watching violent movies. I grew up listening to hardcore rap, since its conception. I grew up playing whatever game I wanted to. But guess what? I had parents that gave me a pair of feet on the ground. They showed me the difference between what I saw on screen or heard through the speakers and reality.

I don't walk around talking like a "G" because I listen to rap. I don't punch people in the face like I saw in Karate Kid when I was young. And I most certainly don't run people over with my car, jump out, kill someone for their car and take off like i do in GTA.

To link the two is weak. You must look at the person and see what support they have in learning life's lessons. Without that support, ANYTHING can turn you bad.

There may not be a real link but games always get the blame so saying that it is weak is just crap. And this game will be the blame for a crime just wait.

[QUOTE="The_Dan_K"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]

There may not be a real link but games always get the blame so saying that it is weak is just crap. And this game will be the blame for a crime just wait.

blasto65_basic

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Yes it is more wars have been started because of some dumb book that people believe is the one and only truth and if you dont believe well you must die

If you believe there would be no war without religion you need to travel more. You also just suggested that this person "must die".... whoa chief! Someone call the police you thought about it you must be ready to act on it.

Thoughts are not evil, actions are. Video games are thoughts just like any other entertainment. Windows to worlds that are made up, you can not make thoughts illegal.

[QUOTE="The_Dan_K"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]

There may not be a real link but games always get the blame so saying that it is weak is just crap. And this game will be the blame for a crime just wait.

blasto65_basic

Bam!!!!

Cookie for JLF1.

Yes it is more wars have been started because of some dumb book that people believe is the one and only truth and if you dont believe well you must die

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"][QUOTE="The_Dan_K"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]

There may not be a real link but games always get the blame so saying that it is weak is just crap. And this game will be the blame for a crime just wait.

Coyo7e

Bam!!!!

Cookie for JLF1.

Yes it is more wars have been started because of some dumb book that people believe is the one and only truth and if you dont believe well you must die

If you believe there would be no war without religion you need to travel more.

Well let's get started.
How come they don't prohibit commercials from reaching children? They are full of lies that mess up Your childs mind. You know, since they don't know the difference? They are even created solely for the purpose of messing up minds.
Just wondering.
Because it's ok to make Your kid believe in miracle medicine and how their body is too this or that, how fast they age and how their health is at risk, how they can lend money no problem and lets not start about the methods of delivering those messages which are full of nonsense?
Or cartoons?
If You have children have You noticed how they can't play games that require them to read something first? How they ask "when is this movie going to be funny?" when they are introducing the characters?
What about books?
Especially religious ones that tell them in a quite literal sense women should be whipped or that goats should bleed in sacrifice? Yeah there's a deeper meaning... right. Possible, but is that what they read in it.KungfuKitten

Like you stated, commercials are all about manipulating people and for some to think they don't have the desired effect - I always ask: So then why do companies pay Millions just for 30 seconds of air time during the Superbowl ?

Sometimes makes them think a little more on the subject. :)

the problem with treating it like porn is that you can't buy it in most big box stores. yet you can buy movies that are just as violent. if anything make it like alcohol. they have to card ppl that buy it and adults that buy it for kids or make it available to their kids or other kids can get in trouble. that'll force parents to pay attention to what they allow.

the problem with treating it like porn is that you can't buy it in most big box stores. yet you can buy movies that are just as violent. if anything make it like alcohol. they have to card ppl that buy it and adults that buy it for kids or make it available to their kids or other kids can get in trouble. that'll force parents to pay attention to what they allow.

Ontain

American culture scares me.

When sex is considered more dangerous then a gun something is wrong. Sex = good.