Mature games need to be redefined

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]I cna't tell if your mocking my or complementing mefoxhound_fox

agreed i have no problem with violence or sex as long is it's done well i especially love shadow of collossus becuase the story is so amazing and has an incredible scope without ever needing extreme violence or swearingRagashahs

[QUOTE="gunswordfist"]I couldn't agree more. If people really think that Wii is now a Mature console thanks to one short game then people just need to learn how to use the word right.SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="gunswordfist"]I couldn't agree more. If people really think that Wii is now a Mature console thanks to one short game then people just need to learn how to use the word right.Epak_

Teh Wii can't havez matrue gmaez cuz it's teh kiddies :cry: Grow up.

So you think children should be able to play games with nudity, blood, violence, murder, killing, etc....

Good to know.

You are confusing two completely different definition of "mature".

The "mature" that is defined by "deep, with sense" etc etc with the one used with the purposed of rating entertainment content.

The first one is almost impossible to define as fact, since what's "deep, etc" can be very subjective.

The second one "what's not suitable for children" is perfectly applicable to a game like MadWorld. S

o MadWorld is a mature game, so simple as that.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Ragashahs"]thinking like that isn't exactly good either just becuase people share different opinoins doens't mean it good or okay to think like that. by your logic anything can be define as good or bad if the defintion of good and bad can be changed around.

Ragashahs

You are confusing two completely different definition of "mature". The "mature" that is defined by "deep, with sense" etc etc with the one used with the purposed of rating entertainment content. The first one is almost impossible to define as fact, since what's "deep, etc" can be very subjective. The second one "what's not suitable for children" is perfectly applicable to a game like MadWorld. So MadWorld is a mature game, so simple as that.IronBass

Edit: K maybe porn was a bad example but I'm sure you undersdtand what I'm saying.

I think you (and me!) will like Heavy Rain.

I make a distinction between "M rated" and mature. Most M rated games are packed with stuff that appeals to 13 year olds. It'd be like saying, "I like mature movies... stuff like Scream and I Know What You Did Last Summer." When people say that the Wii is missing hardcore/mature games, 9/10 they actually mean that the Wii is missing hyper-violent profanity laden games that appeal to 13 year olds or the inner 13 year old in adults.Senor_Kami

Yeah yeah I see where you come from, but there wouldn't be no complaining about Madworld if it was on the 360 or the PS3. I find it funny (immature in fact) that people need to nitpick about it just because it's a Wii exclusive.

Most people are desensitized to violence, gore, nudity, swearing. I mean so many kids watched 300 on its opening night. Mad World is not a mature game, it's a satire of what mature games are like right now.

Mature games are ones that get you thinking and are sometimes mentally disturbing.

Some Mature games:

-Silent Hill

-School Days

-Shadow of the Colossus

I would rather have kids playing Mad World than Silent Hill honestly.

I understand where you are coming from but the responses you are getting should have been expected this is system wars, if you want to have a real logical discussion about games that actually have a moral question or actually make you think you should probably find a different board devoid of moronic 12 year olds.

I make a distinction between "M rated" and mature. Most M rated games are packed with stuff that appeals to 13 year olds. It'd be like saying, "I like mature movies... stuff like Scream and I Know What You Did Last Summer." When people say that the Wii is missing hardcore/mature games, 9/10 they actually mean that the Wii is missing hyper-violent profanity laden games that appeal to 13 year olds or the inner 13 year old in adults.Senor_Kami

I agree with this completely.

While I definately get what the TC is saying, the initial arguement is flawed. The comments about the Wii needing more Mature games are usually directed at games of a violent/sexually explicite nature. Therefore, in it's way, Madworld and NMH do their part to meet that cry. There's a completely seperate outcry for more "engrossing", "engaging" games which are what the TC is talking about.

I'll agree with the TC that the Wii needs more games of this type, but so does the PS3 and 360. Mature games of the type the TC wants are pretty rare. While thoughtprovoking games are not new, it's harder to balance that line in the gaming field. I think we'd all agree that movies like Milk, Roe v. Wade, and Romeo & Juliet are mature in nature. They'd make pretty boring games though.

I pretty much agree. The fact that one craves violence in their video games is immature in itself. It's ok if you enjoy it occasionally but if thats all you look for in a game then what can I say. The M rating only serves one purpose really.. To stop little joey from becoming a mass murderer.

I always thought Wii lacked hardcore games not for violence but for games like Mario Galaxy and Zelda. It needs more games like those. Madworld looks overly violent for the sheer purpose of bringing in those immature gamers.

I can see it now:

"Warning: This game deals with complex themes in an intellectually stimulating way. Do NOT show to minors under any circumstances. You have been warned."

The TC's right: senseless blood, violence and nudity isn't mature - it's juvenile. Compare Madworld to MGS4, GTAIV, Fable II, Mass Effect, Half-Life 2, Bioshock, etc. - you'll notice those other games have cinematic quality and an actual story and reason as to why you're killing. In Madworld you're a Navy SEALS guy with a Chainsaw attached to your arm who gets thrown into a gameshow and is forced to kill things to win naked women. I understand why Madworld got the M-rating, but it by no means is a mature game. princeofshapeir

A game about brutality isn't any different than a game with destructable bodies like Gears of War. The point of all of these things to thrill and excite like slasher films do. We thrill off such, its stupid if you trying to point out a game that is basically satire of violence should be looked different upon. Whether little or alot, its the same thing, and its purpose is no different than the other. You ever have a black comedy or a gritty realism. Violence is violence and shouldn't be catagorized differently. ArisShadows

Exactly. TC is looking at mature in the veru literary sense. Mature also means, not suitable for children. But then, how far is too far for kids. I mean, Mario is violent...ooooo...discussion time!

Ok, i read a bit more, yes, senseless violence is immature, like Madworld, which is prolly why i like it. But again, i dont want kids like the one in Germany today going out on a rampage.

okay i realized a lot of this might sound like i'm saying madworld is immature or something and i'm not. like many people it's a satire of violence that does have it's places but again this doesn't mean madworld is a mature game just an M rated game as someone else said. Madworld has violence and uses it in a satire way which warrents an M rating but the contents of the game is trying to convey aren't mature. As i said alot of E or T rated games are alot more mature then games like gears and such. This isn't an attack on madworld just trying to create a distintions between M rated games and mature content