Maybe we should let up on Activision

http://kotaku.com/5371156/why-we-love-to-hate-activision--and-might-be-wrong

It's nice to read an article that isn't painting Kotick as the devil's advocate for once. Maybe the author has a point or two. No matter how cocky, arrogant and evil Kotick sounds at times, he could be a victim of his own beautiful personality.

Or maybe not. Thoughts?

Kotick is awesome. Just pure awesome. It's the people who hate him (and thus hate Activision) who are ridiculous...

Bobby Kotick says the truth, and that's why people get angry.

He knows the people reading what he writes are going to buy his **** anyways, and if they don't buy it there's millions of casual gamers out there that have absolutely no idea who Kotick is, or what Activision is. All they know is what Guitar Hero, or Call of Duty is.

Bobby Kotick says the truth, and that's why people get angry.

He knows the people reading what he writes are going to buy his **** anyways, and if they don't buy it there's millions of casual gamers out there that have absolutely no idea who Kotick is, or what Activision is. All they know is what Guitar Hero, or Call of Duty is.

treedoor

Well I'm sure his comments definitely sped up the PS3 Slim and price reduction so he is good for something. LOL.

It's the people who hate him (and thus hate Activision)67gt500

Kotick is a business man and acts like one. Why should he care what gamers think of him? He knows as well as we do that gamers are going to buy their games regardless of what he does and doesn't say. That said, it still doesn't mean that he can't be obnoxious.

Personally, I think he's shortsighted and Activision will pay for his obsessive attention to short term gains at the expense of customer loyalty and employee hapiness. And when Activision realizes a few years from now where they are and the hole Bobby has dug for them with the industry and its fans, Kotick will be jettisoned, complete with a massive golden parachute.

So yeah, he's a jerk. But he'll retire more than comfortably because he's a jerk.

Kotick is awesome. Just pure awesome. It's the people who hate him (and thus hate Activision) who are ridiculous...

67gt500

I still dislike him for the rehashes and guitar hero. Also he tried to take back Brutal Legend from EA. That was a dick move.

I still dislike him for the rehashes and guitar hero. Also he tried to take back Brutal Legend from EA. That was a dick move.

RadecSupreme

If people are willing to shell out $60+ for yearly incremental updates, more power to Kotick & Co. Call it a tax on stupidity.

If people are willing to shell out $60+ for yearly incremental updates, more power to Kotick & Co. Call it a tax on stupidity.

PBSnipes

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

If people are willing to shell out $60+ for yearly incremental updates, more power to Kotick & Co. Call it a tax on stupidity.

Cherokee_Jack

Right, but I assume those who are making purchasing decisions based on their own best judgement aren't complaining about Activision or Kotick. My post was targeted at those who ***** and moan about Activision and then rush out to buy the latest CoD or GH title.

Personally, I think he's shortsighted and Activision will pay for his obsessive attention to short term gains at the expense of customer loyalty and employee hapiness. And when Activision realizes a few years from now where they are and the hole Bobby has dug for them with the industry and its fans, Kotick will be jettisoned, complete with a massive golden parachute.

So yeah, he's a jerk. But he'll retire more than comfortably because he's a jerk.

santoron

Their customers wouldn't know getting ripped off if it slapped them in the face with their own dead pet. These are the ultra-casuals who know nothing about gaming besides the games they play.

theres a reason why we hate him and activision their asses.

quit trying to sugar coat them their money hungry pigs at least other companies try to look like the care for the gamer

at one point in a interview he said he would bring up the price of MW2 to $100

tl;dr

When Kotick announces that he will make game development "unenjoyable" for his workers, no matter who you are, gamer or not, you should question his intentions.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

If people are willing to shell out $60+ for yearly incremental updates, more power to Kotick & Co. Call it a tax on stupidity.

PBSnipes

Right, but I assume those who are making purchasing decisions based on their own best judgement aren't complaining about Activision or Kotick. My post was targeted at those who ***** and moan about Activision and then rush out to buy the latest CoD or GH title.

Again, that's their own best judgment. If they still think CoD and GH are worth the money, there's no reason why they shouldn't buy them. Even if you don't like some of the things Activision does, that doesn't mean you don't approve of anything they do or any games they put out.

Cherokee_Jack

In which case they would be a hypocrite. By purchasing a product you are endorsing the corporation(s) behind it, therefore by purchasing an Activision product you forfeit the right to complain about their practices.

This man has made so many silly comments that they can't all just be swept away with the excuse that he was joking every single damn time. Take a PR course already.

Personally it's not so much the words coming out of Kotick's mouth that bother me as much as Activision's actions. They speak much louder than words. They also speak the same thing, so I guess Kotick's words do bother me.

Anyway, Activision largely deserves the scorn directed at it.

By purchasing a product you are endorsing the corporation(s) behind itPBSnipes

Its not that i dont like the man its just he is too power hungry and is milking guitar hero and COD WAYY too much i think he need to get a drop in sales and force his company into bankruptcy and learn the pain that most small devs that make sleeper hits and have to suffer to make a great game to make the fan happy not his/her wallet so i mean he need to stop milking because its getting way out of hand

No, you're not. You're endorsing the product. Cherokee_Jack

That doesn't negate the fact you're endorsing the party behind the product.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] No, you're not. You're endorsing the product. PBSnipes

That doesn't negate the fact you're endorsing the party behind the product.

I still hate him...

I question his practices.

He releases annual rehashes and laughs about it, he would love to milk you for every dollar in your wallet.... I'm sorry, why should I like this greedy man? There's nothing about him that's even likable. He doesn't contribute anything to videogame development or to the industry. He goes on line-by-lines and deletes franchises that are too artistic or obscure to make him a buck. He's tried to kill new IPs because they moved to new publishers after Activision destroyed them. He's just awful on every level. I don't think anyone should be running out to buy Guitar Hero or Call of Duty products as a result, so sue me. Granted, buying a copy of your favorite Guitar Hero and Call of Duty game isn't bad, but you shouldn't be buying annual sequels like some zombie with glazed over eyes. Try and have some decency and support the original IPs in this industry and the people that make them. Find independent publishers and throw all the cash you can at them. The fact of the matter is a mass boycott on this forum wouldn't affect Activision at all, so why should I be getting wet-eyed over their business receiving some flak over some atrocious public relations from their CEO? As far as I see it, their stock should be dropping and their business should be floundering.Brownesque

Remember Kotick's comment about how all consumers want is annual rehashes?

Do you know how spot on he is? No other company is going to say it, but most big name companies thrive only because of rehashes.

What do we got now?

MGS, Final Fantasy, Halo, Ratchet & Clank, Madden, Call of Duty, Guitar Hero, Resident Evil, etc etc etc.

All games are going to sell a million, two million, maybe 10-15 million copies, so these companies will keep releasing new games into the series. Kotick is CEO of one of, if not THE largest 3rd party gaming company, so he has the power to say comments like these and have it not affect sales whatsoever. His games are far too popular.

But just because he says what he says does not in any way mean other CEOs are not thinking the same exact thing ;)

quit trying to sugar coat them their money hungry pigs at least other companies try to look like the care for the gamer

nofriekinlemons

I find this quote interesting, as it seems you're saying you prefer companies to lie to you instead of being honest. :P

But yeah, I'm with the crowd that says Activision's actions are more important than what their boss says, and the two attempted murders of Brutal Legend and Double Fine are unforgivable (to me... Though, I admit, my resolve will break when Starcraft 2 comes out. :(

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]He releases annual rehashes and laughs about it, he would love to milk you for every dollar in your wallet.... I'm sorry, why should I like this greedy man? There's nothing about him that's even likable. He doesn't contribute anything to videogame development or to the industry. He goes on line-by-lines and deletes franchises that are too artistic or obscure to make him a buck. He's tried to kill new IPs because they moved to new publishers after Activision destroyed them. He's just awful on every level. I don't think anyone should be running out to buy Guitar Hero or Call of Duty products as a result, so sue me. Granted, buying a copy of your favorite Guitar Hero and Call of Duty game isn't bad, but you shouldn't be buying annual sequels like some zombie with glazed over eyes. Try and have some decency and support the original IPs in this industry and the people that make them. Find independent publishers and throw all the cash you can at them. The fact of the matter is a mass boycott on this forum wouldn't affect Activision at all, so why should I be getting wet-eyed over their business receiving some flak over some atrocious public relations from their CEO? As far as I see it, their stock should be dropping and their business should be floundering.treedoor

Remember Kotick's comment about how all consumers want is annual rehashes?

Do you know how spot on he is? No other company is going to say it, but most big name companies thrive only because of rehashes.

What do we got now?

MGS, Final Fantasy, Halo, Ratchet & Clank, Madden, Call of Duty, Guitar Hero, Resident Evil, etc etc etc.

All games are going to sell a million, two million, maybe 10-15 million copies, so these companies will keep releasing new games into the series. Kotick is CEO of one of, if not THE largest 3rd party gaming company, so he has the power to say comments like these and have it not affect sales whatsoever. His games are far too popular.

But just because he says what he says does not in any way mean other CEOs are not thinking the same exact thing ;)

Whatever.

I've pretty much stopped caring about Activision. I think I can live without buying yearly rehashes to shallow, button mashing games like Guitar Hero and COD.

Also, three versions of the same game that you have to buy for the full experience? REALLY? *looks at Starcraft 2*enterawesome

I still don't find them releasing the game in 3 parts that big of a deal (assuming the single player is as long as they say). It's not like Blizzard has ever shied away from expansion packs. :P

To be honest, I find that Activision threads such as this really show how spoiled gamers as a whole really are. Honestly, you give them the whole world and they're still pissed off because they didn't get the moon too.mo0ksi

...This post needs some 'splainin'.

[QUOTE="enterawesome"] Also, three versions of the same game that you have to buy for the full experience? REALLY? *looks at Starcraft 2*MischiefmAker

I still don't find them releasing the game in 3 parts that big of a deal (assuming the single player is as long as they say). It's not like Blizzard has ever shied away from expansion packs. :P

To be honest, I find that Activision threads such as this really show how spoiled gamers as a whole really are. Honestly, you give them the whole world and they're still pissed off because they didn't get the moon too.mo0ksi

...This post needs some 'splainin'.

As someone who doesnt play much multiplayer, asking £55 for a 6 hour singleplayer game (MW2) is just taking the piss and then saying their games should cost £70! a 360 only costs £130

Also when a company says there only interested in franchises that can be pumped out 1 a year, i just can't have any respect for them, sure everyone loves money, but greed is a sin.

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]

I still don't find them releasing the game in 3 parts that big of a deal (assuming the single player is as long as they say). It's not like Blizzard has ever shied away from expansion packs. :P

To be honest, I find that Activision threads such as this really show how spoiled gamers as a whole really are. Honestly, you give them the whole world and they're still pissed off because they didn't get the moon too.mo0ksi

...This post needs some 'splainin'.

Reading through that article only made me dislike this clown even more.

[QUOTE="67gt500"]

Kotick is awesome. Just pure awesome. It's the people who hate him (and thus hate Activision) who are ridiculous...

LiquidShnake

seconded

The man is all business hes never even played a call of duty he doesn't realise how much games are these days further more he doesn't want to know, given the chance a***oles like him would suck the life out of the games industry and wouldn't even bat an eye lid as long as he saw profit.

I wish i cared enough to read that article lol. At first i was interested.. but then i just gave up

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]To be honest, I find that Activision threads such as this really show how spoiled gamers as a whole really are. Honestly, you give them the whole world and they're still pissed off because they didn't get the moon too.MischiefmAker

...This post needs some 'splainin'.

Starcraft 2 is case in point. Even though Blizzard said that they're making an extensive campaign for each race per chapter, they still get the criticism for both milking and taking too long with the game.

Then there's also something like the L4D DLC on PC, in which despite it being free, there will be a group of gamers pissing and moaning about it and go as far as to say that Valve (or whatever company) is giving crappy support, despite the fact that you're getting FREE CONTENT.

Sure, you don't have to like everything developers throw at you, but complaining about every single little thing that bothers you doesn't help you either.

kotick rules because hes amusing. check one check two scope my kotick haiku:

bobby kotick rocks

indie cred nerds get angry

when he speaks the truth

There is no denying the quality behind Blizzard's projects, I totally realize that. But 3 parts sold at $50? C'mon! IMO, Blizzard should just break off from Activision. I would be very happy, and I'm sure many PC gamers would also feel that way.enterawesome

Are they all officially priced at $50? (Not trying to be rude, just seeing if it's true (and you have a source), and if it's not official, just suggesting you calm down for the moment, there will be plenty of time for anger later. :D).

There are some gamers who act as if the developers must appease to their standards, otherwise you get boycott attempts (L4D2), frequent bashing, etc. As if they owed gamers a favor. Not only that, but they're also hypocritical to a sense. You have a group of gamers pissed off at a company for milking their franchises, then you get the exact same group criticizing another developer for taking too long with releasing their games.

Starcraft 2 is case in point. Even though Blizzard said that they're making an extensive campaign for each race per chapter, they still get the criticism for both milking and taking too long with the game.

Then there's also something like the L4D DLC on PC, in which despite it being free, there will be a group of gamers pissing and moaning about it and go as far as to say that Valve (or whatever company) is giving crappy support, despite the fact that you're getting FREE CONTENT.

Sure, you don't have to like everything developers throw at you, but complaining about every single little thing that bothers you doesn't help you either.

mo0ksi

Thank you, and well said.

[QUOTE="treedoor"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]He releases annual rehashes and laughs about it, he would love to milk you for every dollar in your wallet.... I'm sorry, why should I like this greedy man? There's nothing about him that's even likable. He doesn't contribute anything to videogame development or to the industry. He goes on line-by-lines and deletes franchises that are too artistic or obscure to make him a buck. He's tried to kill new IPs because they moved to new publishers after Activision destroyed them. He's just awful on every level. I don't think anyone should be running out to buy Guitar Hero or Call of Duty products as a result, so sue me. Granted, buying a copy of your favorite Guitar Hero and Call of Duty game isn't bad, but you shouldn't be buying annual sequels like some zombie with glazed over eyes. Try and have some decency and support the original IPs in this industry and the people that make them. Find independent publishers and throw all the cash you can at them. The fact of the matter is a mass boycott on this forum wouldn't affect Activision at all, so why should I be getting wet-eyed over their business receiving some flak over some atrocious public relations from their CEO? As far as I see it, their stock should be dropping and their business should be floundering.WAIW

Remember Kotick's comment about how all consumers want is annual rehashes?

Do you know how spot on he is? No other company is going to say it, but most big name companies thrive only because of rehashes.

What do we got now?

MGS, Final Fantasy, Halo, Ratchet & Clank, Madden, Call of Duty, Guitar Hero, Resident Evil, etc etc etc.

All games are going to sell a million, two million, maybe 10-15 million copies, so these companies will keep releasing new games into the series. Kotick is CEO of one of, if not THE largest 3rd party gaming company, so he has the power to say comments like these and have it not affect sales whatsoever. His games are far too popular.

But just because he says what he says does not in any way mean other CEOs are not thinking the same exact thing ;)

It's still a sequel no matter how much you slice it, and Kotick told the gaming world that that's all they want, and like I said he's spot on.