MCV: XBOX Next will not have a disc drive

If it's the strictest NDA everz then why are we hearing about it?

There's no way this is true. I'm all for DD but this would be suicide. The key to success next gen is offering both DD and blu-ray options for all games.

PatchMaster

[QUOTE="PatchMaster"]

There's no way this is true. I'm all for DD but this would be suicide. The key to success next gen is offering both DD and blu-ray options for all games.

KC_Hokie

This could mean two possible things:

1. MS is going for DD as a primiary and isn't going to rely on retail much anymore (thus getting rid of used games)

2. The "no used games" thing might be true if it's these cartriges that can slap a product key on them.

Either way this means that there will be absolutely no backwards compatibilty with the next Xbox system. Let's hope this is just a stupid rumor and it doesn't become true.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="PatchMaster"]

There's no way this is true. I'm all for DD but this would be suicide. The key to success next gen is offering both DD and blu-ray options for all games.

Giancar

It would be well worth it for a superior technology. If this is true this is awesome.

This could mean two possible things:

1. MS is going for DD as a primiary and isn't going to rely on retail much anymore (thus getting rid of used games)

2. The "no used games" thing might be true if it's these cartriges that can slap a product key on them.

Either way this means that there will be absolutely no backwards compatibilty with the next Xbox system. Let's hope this is just a stupid rumor and it doesn't become true.

ShadowMoses900

That means goodbye xbox for me. I'm buying a PC instead. I want to play Simcity5 anyway. No disc drive is a failure in my opinion. They should have both DD and SDD.

That means goodbye xbox for me. I'm buying a PC instead. I want to play Simcity5 anyway. No disc drive is a failure in my opinion. They should have both DD and SDD.

zekere

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

This could mean two possible things:

1. MS is going for DD as a primiary and isn't going to rely on retail much anymore (thus getting rid of used games)

2. The "no used games" thing might be true if it's these cartriges that can slap a product key on them.

Either way this means that there will be absolutely no backwards compatibilty with the next Xbox system. Let's hope this is just a stupid rumor and it doesn't become true.

KC_Hokie

SD technology isn't as good as you think it is, sure it has some pro's, but just as many cons. The main thing will be data and power and SD cartridges can NOT do that, with Blu Ray a dev can use that memory for other things like more graphic detail ect... with cartridges not so much. If this is true then the next Xbox won't be all that powerful of a system.

This also means that MS will most likely be going with the DD route and will push that more and more, which also means no used games.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

This could mean two possible things:

1. MS is going for DD as a primiary and isn't going to rely on retail much anymore (thus getting rid of used games)

2. The "no used games" thing might be true if it's these cartriges that can slap a product key on them.

Either way this means that there will be absolutely no backwards compatibilty with the next Xbox system. Let's hope this is just a stupid rumor and it doesn't become true.

ShadowMoses900

SD technology isn't as good as you think it is, sure it has some pro's, but just as many cons. The main thing will be data and power and SD cartridges can NOT do that, with Blu Ray a dev can use that memory for other things like more graphic detail ect... with cartridges not so much. If this is true then the next Xbox won't be all that powerful of a system.

This also means that MS will most likely be going with the DD route and will push that more and more, which also means no used games.

The flash drive technology combined with digital downloads is exactly where I had hoped MS would move. Fantastic news if true.

I think cartridge prices have gone down. The current trend for portable 500gb harddrives retail for less than $70.00. Take into account that games won't be nearly as large, USB keys, SD cards, etc., are retailing relatively cheaply.

ALTHOUGH,

A blank dual-layer DVD or BR doesn't really cost more than a couple of bucks.

I can't imagine Microsoft ditching an optical drive, considering DVD's, BR's are all still sold in the market place.

And not being backwards compatible with 360 games? Hm. That should be interesting.

I call bs on this rumor.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I would sacrifice backward compatibility in an instant to move to flash technology as the physical medium. You could run games directly off the SD card and they perform significantly better than blu-ray for example.KC_Hokie

SD technology isn't as good as you think it is, sure it has some pro's, but just as many cons. The main thing will be data and power and SD cartridges can NOT do that, with Blu Ray a dev can use that memory for other things like more graphic detail ect... with cartridges not so much. If this is true then the next Xbox won't be all that powerful of a system.

This also means that MS will most likely be going with the DD route and will push that more and more, which also means no used games.

The flash drive technology combined with digital downloads is exactly where I had hoped MS would move. Fantastic news if true.

Okay then I guess you can be happy with a system that has limited data for it's games and forces you to use more DD stuff then actual games. Which is even worse if your system breaks, and it's MS so you know it probably will, if it's mostly DD what are you going to do? You can't replace your games?

Also take into account this SD format would essentially be a way for MS to kill the used game market, so that means you have no rights to your games. You can't trade them or sell them or take them over to friends house, you can only do what MS let's you do.

You may be excited about this (why? I have no idea) but this news basically makes me worried about next gen. I don't like where it's going, and I don't think most people do either. Also SD means less data for games, which leads to shorter games with less graphic power.

If this is true don't expect the Next Xbox to be much more powerful than the 360.

This would almost be a step back IMHO.. Sure data would be accessible faster using some sort of SD card format, however how much could you place on a card? Unless they plan on using some sort of proprietary card that stores 16-32 gigs of data... Then you'd have to ask yourself.. Is that a cheaper venture than say bluray discs? :|

Edit: This is yet another rumor I don't see coming to furition. They would essentially kill off their core market with a move like this..

Flash memory is not faster than bluray like some of you are saying, at least not any thats in the market right now. And if it ever comes out it wont come cheap.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

SD technology isn't as good as you think it is, sure it has some pro's, but just as many cons. The main thing will be data and power and SD cartridges can NOT do that, with Blu Ray a dev can use that memory for other things like more graphic detail ect... with cartridges not so much. If this is true then the next Xbox won't be all that powerful of a system.

This also means that MS will most likely be going with the DD route and will push that more and more, which also means no used games.

ShadowMoses900

The flash drive technology combined with digital downloads is exactly where I had hoped MS would move. Fantastic news if true.

Okay then I guess you can be happy with a system that has limited data for it's games and forces you to use more DD stuff then actual games. Which is even worse if your system breaks, and it's MS so you know it probably will, if it's mostly DD what are you going to do? You can't replace your games?

Also take into account this SD format would essentially be a way for MS to kill the used game market, so that means you have no rights to your games. You can't trade them or sell them or take them over to friends house, you can only do what MS let's you do.

You may be excited about this (why? I have no idea) but this news basically makes me worried about next gen. I don't like where it's going, and I don't think most people do either. Also SD means less data for games, which leads to shorter games with less graphic power.

If this is true don't expect the Next Xbox to be much more powerful than the 360.

If this is true I am very excited.

Flash memory is not faster than bluray like some of you are saying, at least not any thats in the market right now. And if it ever comes out it wont come cheap.

GTSaiyanjin2

if true then they just fu cked up big time

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

Flash memory is not faster than bluray like some of you are saying, at least not any thats in the market right now. And if it ever comes out it wont come cheap.

KC_Hokie

SO...

High price proprietary format.

No backwards compatibility with my 360 games

I cant watch DVD's

Looks like im getting a Wii U this time round.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

Flash memory is not faster than bluray like some of you are saying, at least not any thats in the market right now. And if it ever comes out it wont come cheap.

DerekLoffin

A 16gig Compact Flash @60mb/s costs almost $90.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

Flash memory is not faster than bluray like some of you are saying, at least not any thats in the market right now. And if it ever comes out it wont come cheap.

DerekLoffin

its what I was going to say :P A 12x Bluray drive is around 4-5 times faster than the current drive on the 360. Current class 10 SD cards top out around 24/22 read and write speeds.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Flash technology is far superior to blu-ray. On top of that you can always install/download the games if you want.

The flash drive technology combined with digital downloads is exactly where I had hoped MS would move. Fantastic news if true.

KC_Hokie

Okay then I guess you can be happy with a system that has limited data for it's games and forces you to use more DD stuff then actual games. Which is even worse if your system breaks, and it's MS so you know it probably will, if it's mostly DD what are you going to do? You can't replace your games?

Also take into account this SD format would essentially be a way for MS to kill the used game market, so that means you have no rights to your games. You can't trade them or sell them or take them over to friends house, you can only do what MS let's you do.

You may be excited about this (why? I have no idea) but this news basically makes me worried about next gen. I don't like where it's going, and I don't think most people do either. Also SD means less data for games, which leads to shorter games with less graphic power.

If this is true don't expect the Next Xbox to be much more powerful than the 360.

If this is true I am very excited.

If this is true there would be no way the next Xbox could handle big games. What if Bethesda decided to make a new Elder Scrolls (which they will) and they decide to make it REALLY massive? Like in the GB massive? There would be no way an SD cartridge would be able to handle that game, you would be essentially stuck with a system that can't play cutting edge games.

This basically just means it's going to be DD, and that's a whole other problem.

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Ahh...yea it is. Not even close. KC_Hokie

A 16gig Compact Flash @60mb/s costs almost $90.

Heirren

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

A 16gig Compact Flash @60mb/s costs almost $90.

KC_Hokie

I'm not against ditching the disc drive, but I'm not for some outrageously expensive proprietary MS format flash memory card, either.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Okay then I guess you can be happy with a system that has limited data for it's games and forces you to use more DD stuff then actual games. Which is even worse if your system breaks, and it's MS so you know it probably will, if it's mostly DD what are you going to do? You can't replace your games?

Also take into account this SD format would essentially be a way for MS to kill the used game market, so that means you have no rights to your games. You can't trade them or sell them or take them over to friends house, you can only do what MS let's you do.

You may be excited about this (why? I have no idea) but this news basically makes me worried about next gen. I don't like where it's going, and I don't think most people do either. Also SD means less data for games, which leads to shorter games with less graphic power.

If this is true don't expect the Next Xbox to be much more powerful than the 360.

ShadowMoses900

If this is true I am very excited.

If this is true there would be no way the next Xbox could handle big games. What if Bethesda decided to make a new Elder Scrolls (which they will) and they decide to make it REALLY massive? Like in the GB massive? There would be no way an SD cartridge would be able to handle that game, you would be essentially stuck with a system that can't play cutting edge games.

This basically just means it's going to be DD, and that's a whole other problem.

so where you are guys getting these super fast SD cards from ? Best I could find was thishttp://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/sandisk-unveils-worlds-fastest-128gb-sdxc-card-and-new-inand/And thats still not faster than a bluray drive, just saying.

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]He was arguing blu-ray is a faster technology than flash. And he's dead wrong. It's not even close.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Okay then I guess you can be happy with a system that has limited data for it's games and forces you to use more DD stuff then actual games. Which is even worse if your system breaks, and it's MS so you know it probably will, if it's mostly DD what are you going to do? You can't replace your games?

Also take into account this SD format would essentially be a way for MS to kill the used game market, so that means you have no rights to your games. You can't trade them or sell them or take them over to friends house, you can only do what MS let's you do.

You may be excited about this (why? I have no idea) but this news basically makes me worried about next gen. I don't like where it's going, and I don't think most people do either. Also SD means less data for games, which leads to shorter games with less graphic power.

If this is true don't expect the Next Xbox to be much more powerful than the 360.

ShadowMoses900

If this is true I am very excited.

If this is true there would be no way the next Xbox could handle big games. What if Bethesda decided to make a new Elder Scrolls (which they will) and they decide to make it REALLY massive? Like in the GB massive? There would be no way an SD cartridge would be able to handle that game, you would be essentially stuck with a system that can't play cutting edge games.

This basically just means it's going to be DD, and that's a whole other problem.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

A 16gig Compact Flash @60mb/s costs almost $90.

Heirren

I'm not against ditching the disc drive, but I'm not for some outrageously expensive proprietary MS format flash memory card, either.

No DVD drive, well, they'll simply sell an add-on like that HD-DVD drive a few years ago... Problem solved and profit made!!!!

As for the Memory card... If they can assure the SD format will get faster in time, then they have a memory that will most likely get larger and faster as time goes on.. That would be perfect, no card swapping in the future and bye bye install.

Some sort of external SSD card would render installs completly useless and be awsome, but THE COST!!!!

I don't know what to think about that.

A good old DVD or two, or DD and simply install everything on a HDD will still remain the smartest idea and the most efficient... Except for the dinosaures who complain against install time!!!!!!!

so where you are guys getting these super fast SD cards from ? Best I could find was thishttp://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/sandisk-unveils-worlds-fastest-128gb-sdxc-card-and-new-inand/And thats still not faster than a bluray drive, just saying.

GTSaiyanjin2

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Switching to SD combined with digital downloads would be an advancement including performance. 16 GB SD cards are very common now.

If this is true I am very excited.

KC_Hokie

If this is true there would be no way the next Xbox could handle big games. What if Bethesda decided to make a new Elder Scrolls (which they will) and they decide to make it REALLY massive? Like in the GB massive? There would be no way an SD cartridge would be able to handle that game, you would be essentially stuck with a system that can't play cutting edge games.

This basically just means it's going to be DD, and that's a whole other problem.

Again it's not the same. There is nothing superior about this, accept mabey the data reading speeds (which can be easly taken care of by adding in a faster Blu Ray drive which the PS4 no doubt will).

Games are going to get bigger, they are going to get more powerful. The SD will not work for this, DD will however which is where MS is probably going. It will be essentialy a DD only version of Games For Windows Live. And that's not a good thing, that's very bad for consumers.

I will laugh my damn ass off for hours if this is true.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]SDHC is cheaper than SDXC. Both are still considerably faster than blu ray at reading data.KC_Hokie

I'm not against ditching the disc drive, but I'm not for some outrageously expensive proprietary MS format flash memory card, either.

I don't buy it. Technically it is possible, but when I see $99 20 gig harddrives it says otherwise.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Switching to SD combined with digital downloads would be an advancement including performance. 16 GB SD cards are very common now.

If this is true I am very excited.

OhSnapitz

If this is true there would be no way the next Xbox could handle big games. What if Bethesda decided to make a new Elder Scrolls (which they will) and they decide to make it REALLY massive? Like in the GB massive? There would be no way an SD cartridge would be able to handle that game, you would be essentially stuck with a system that can't play cutting edge games.

This basically just means it's going to be DD, and that's a whole other problem.

I'm hoping this is just a stupid rumor, if this is true MS has essentilay flipped gamers the bird. Plus as you said, the high capacity SD cartridges would sky rocket the prices, all this basically is saying is that MS will be going DD next gen. And that is the most likely possibility, this basically confirms it. That also means no used games or backwards compatibilty unfortuantely :(

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

so where you are guys getting these super fast SD cards from ? Best I could find was thishttp://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/sandisk-unveils-worlds-fastest-128gb-sdxc-card-and-new-inand/And thats still not faster than a bluray drive, just saying.

KC_Hokie

No Bluray?

Those are read/write cards. Read only SDXC cards can do 400mb per second.KC_Hokie

this sounds horrible. i have 3 friends personally that live too far out in the country so thier internet is incredibly slow

maybe MS will release 2 skus. one with a disc drive, and the other DD only?i dunnoTH1Sx1SxSPARTA

Read fail! click click click.

SD, not DD only.

"Although the console will not include a disc drive, it will offer compatibility with some sort of interchangeable solid-state card storage, although it is not known whether this will be proprietary or a more standard format such as SD."

↓ -.- annoying

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Those are read/write cards. Read only SDXC cards can do 400mb per second.Inconsistancy

this sounds horrible. i have 3 friends personally that live too far out in the country so thier internet is incredibly slow

maybe MS will release 2 skus. one with a disc drive, and the other DD only?i dunnoTH1Sx1SxSPARTA

Read fail! click click click.

SD, not DD only.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

Didn't we move away from cartridges because they are expensive?

dommeus

Perhaps with all the current memory card tech then can mass produce something cheaply. 8gb cards now cost less then £5 retail, wouldnt cost that much to chuck a cartridge casing around it.

Number 1: How can people be 'happy' and consider to buy this over the PS3/Wii-U just for the fact that it plays on cartridges? Nostalgia much?

Number 2: You should stop making threads everytime you see a different rumor online.

So no backwards compat? That's going to hurt.