Metal Gear is not an AAA franchise

PS2 

MGS -- AA

MGS2 -- AAA

MGS2: Substance -- A

MGS3 -- AA 

MGS: VR Missions -- AA 

Xbox 

MGS2: Substance -- AA :lol:...it also got a higher score than PS2 version.

GC 

MGS: Twin Snakes -- AA 

PC

MGS -- AA

MGS: Substance -- A

PSP

Metal Gear Acid -- AA

Metal Gear Acid 2 -- AA 

MGS: Portable Ops -- AAA

Game Boy Color

MGS -- AAA 

NES 

Metal Gear -- no Gamespot review 

Snake's Revenge -- no Gamespot review

A lot of people disliked Snake's Revenge compared to Metal Gear on NES. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake's_Revenge

"This game has been criticized for many reasons. First due to the critical level of difficulty added to this game making it neigh impossible to complete. The second would be the misconception of the story and the side scrolling sequences."

http://www.gamespot.com/nes/action/snakesrevenge/index.html?tag=result;title;0

(Terrible reviews from people who have played it.)

Gamespot hasn't ever reviewed this game...but if it ever comes to VC, I bet it will be bashed hard.

There's also been a Mobile version of Metal Gear, and it 1st arrived on MSX. 

13 iterations of Metal Gear games spread across several platforms

AAA  -- 3

AA -- 8

A -- 2

Metal Gear is an AA franchise.   

Ok, now that we have this established, I have a serious question for cows. 

How can you logically say that MGS4 will get AAA based on the above info? 

Halo isnt an AAA franchise either....

Why?

because only 2 games have come out for I so far. 

as a general rule, the more games a series has, to harder it is for every new one to score AAA. 

its not becoz gamepot always rate Metal gear well sometimes an AA doesnt mean its an official AA franchise. YOU FAIL!rey06

its not becoz gamepot always rate Metal gear well sometimes an AA doesnt mean its an official AA franchise. YOU FAIL!rey06

8 AA

3 AAA

Majority wins.  Metal Gear is an AA franchise. 

I consider MGS a high AA franchise.

And i only count the first game, not the subsistence ones

Halo isnt an AAA franchise either....

 

Why?

 

because only 2 games have come out for I so far.

 

as a general rule, the more games a series has, to harder it is for every new one to score AAA.

cobrax75

Yeah, but so far Halo is 100% AAA on consoles (PC ports are BS anyway). Although I like Metal Gear Games, and have won all of the releases on major consoles since the NES days, MGS is not an AAA franchise. Halo is.  

How could gears be AAA? And Mass Effect for that matter? They new IP, they have more chances to fail since there haven't been previous games, according to you.tegovoltio

We have no idea what Mass Effect will be like.  Don't use it as an example of a good game until it's been proven to be a good game by 1. General opinion of most people who have played it through 2. Gamespot review 3. metacritic review, which usually ends up being either 1, 2, or both.   Personally, it looks swet, but i'm worried about the quality of content when the universe is so large.  That was the problem with oblivion, so many of the locations were similar (good game though).

I think most people respect Metal Gear as a top-tier franchise, regardless of some of the games' ratings here at GS. Even if some of the games haven't gotten AAA here, I don't think anyone would deny that MGS4 has a great chance to get AAA.

I could be wrong though. 

[QUOTE="tegovoltio"]How could gears be AAA? And Mass Effect for that matter? They new IP, they have more chances to fail since there haven't been previous games, according to you.osirisomeomi

We have no idea what Mass Effect will be like. Don't use it as an example of a good game until it's been proven to be a good game by 1. General opinion of most people who have played it through 2. Gamespot review 3. metacritic review, which usually ends up being either 1, 2, or both. Personally, it looks swet, but i'm worried about the quality of content when the universe is so large. That was the problem with oblivion, so many of the locations were similar (good game though).

It's getting AAA hype, by TC logic it can easly flop, also how could Z|elda TP flop if Zelda is an AAA franchise?

Also TC you didn't include Integral which ais AAA.

By your logic, Halo isn't a AAA franchise either.
TrueReligion_

[QUOTE="cobrax75"]

Halo isnt an AAA franchise either....

 

Why?

 

because only 2 games have come out for I so far.

 

as a general rule, the more games a series has, to harder it is for every new one to score AAA.

accameron

Yeah, but so far Halo is 100% AAA on consoles (PC ports are BS anyway). Although I like Metal Gear Games, and have won all of the releases on major consoles since the NES days, MGS is not an AAA franchise. Halo is.

which is why its not an AAA franchise....a franchise has 3 games...not 2....

unless you want to count the PC Halo's, which were better then the console counterparts, but were heavily outdated by the time they came out, and couldnt come close to modern PC shooters. 

Try giving me a franchise that scored AAA on every game on every platform.s3KtOr

[QUOTE="s3KtOr"]Try giving me a franchise that scored AAA on every game on every platform.foxhound_fox

damn ports :(

excluding the expansion packs....all of the civilization games also got AAA. 

[QUOTE="accameron"][QUOTE="cobrax75"]

Halo isnt an AAA franchise either....

 

Why?

 

because only 2 games have come out for I so far.

 

as a general rule, the more games a series has, to harder it is for every new one to score AAA.

cobrax75

Yeah, but so far Halo is 100% AAA on consoles (PC ports are BS anyway). Although I like Metal Gear Games, and have won all of the releases on major consoles since the NES days, MGS is not an AAA franchise. Halo is.

which is why its not an AAA franchise....a franchise has 3 games...not 2....

unless you want to count the PC Halo's, which were better then the console counterparts, but were heavily outdated by the time they came out, and couldnt come close to modern PC shooters.

Maybe I missed something, but why does a franchise have to have 3 games? Are you thinking of the word "trilogy?" Super Monkey Ball was a franchise the second it released it's first game, why can't Halo after two mega-releases? In fact, even Websters does not have a definition of franchise that fits into the way we are all using it: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=franchise

By your logic, Halo isn't a AAA franchise either.
TrueReligion_

You're correct. Halo is not an AAA franchise.

Metal Gear and Metal Gear Solid are not even in the same league as far as I am concerned. And MGS is one of the best new franchises of the last 10 years or so since it appeared on the PS1 and has always been consistantly good, reviews really dont determine how great a game is if everyone has a different opinion. Some folks think MGS is an AAA cailbre franchise and I agree, it has a fantastic storyline with excellent acting and a great gameplay experience. Not everyone thinks it should be considered an AAA franchise but who cares? I think Halo is absolute crap compared to other FPS games but not everyone agrees with me.DSgamer64

If we only use Metal Gear Solid Games and no other Metal Gear games, then Metal Gear Solid as a franchise is AA and not AAA. 

if anyone is going to criticize MGS, they should have at least played all the games. I've said this so many times, but I'll say it again: Do not rely on the score given by other people in order to validate a point. I never refer to scores of games made by other people, I play the games and then form a view about it. If I haven't played a game, I don't judge it. The TC is a fool to blindly reiterate the opinion of a website-based videogame reviwer. The term 'mindless sheep' comes to mind during this subject. If you want to dispute the quality of MGS, fine by me, I will respect anyone's opinion, as long as it is their own. this is just out of hand, everyone is relying on GS scores, which are not the universal standard of quality.Mordred19

You do know that Gamespot scores and Gamespot scores ONLY are what are used to validate a game?  If a game is AA here, but AAA everywhere else, it is still an AA game.  And, I don't necessarily agree with GS on a lot of their reviews, but that is just the way it is in system wars.  I HATE the fact that Perfect Dark Zero is considered AAA.  IMO it was VASTLY OVERRATED.  However, it got a 9.0 here, so it is AAA.  You don't have to like it or agree with it, but based on system wars standards, what I wrote about Metal Gear game franchise is true.  It is an AA franchise based on the standards of system wars....like it or not. 

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]if anyone is going to criticize MGS, they should have at least played all the games. I've said this so many times, but I'll say it again: Do not rely on the score given by other people in order to validate a point. I never refer to scores of games made by other people, I play the games and then form a view about it. If I haven't played a game, I don't judge it. The TC is a fool to blindly reiterate the opinion of a website-based videogame reviwer. The term 'mindless sheep' comes to mind during this subject. If you want to dispute the quality of MGS, fine by me, I will respect anyone's opinion, as long as it is their own. this is just out of hand, everyone is relying on GS scores, which are not the universal standard of quality.AvIdGaMeR444

You do know that Gamespot scores and Gamespot scores ONLY are what are used to validate a game?  If a game is AA here, but AAA everywhere else, it is still an AA game.  And, I don't necessarily agree with GS on a lot of their reviews, but that is just the way it is in system wars.  I HATE the fact that Perfect Dark Zero is considered AAA.  IMO it was VASTLY OVERRATED.  However, it got a 9.0 here, so it is AAA.  You don't have to like it or agree with it, but based on system wars standards, what I wrote about Metal Gear game franchise is true.  It is an AA franchise based on the standards of system wars....like it or not. 

Its too bad that you think reviews mean everything. I am pretty sure almost ever MGS fan and almost every other reviewers aside from the ones here at GS think that MGS has always been an AAA franchise.

your grammar is horrible i cant even read the topic without thinking to myself... you arent intelligent...Jockss2

:lol: Next time you want to "attempt" to own me on my grammar, at least try to get periods and apostrophes in the right places in your "sentence". 

Something like this.... 

"Your grammar is horrible. I can't even read the topic without thinking to myself that you aren't intelligent."

It'll be funny when MSG flops again.Acemaster27

Keep saying that to yourself, maybe you'll actually believe it.

[QUOTE="Jockss2"]your grammar is horrible i cant even read the topic without thinking to myself... you arent intelligent...AvIdGaMeR444

:lol: Next time you want to "attempt" to own me on my grammar, at least try to get periods and apostrophes in the right places in your "sentence". 

Something like this.... 

"Your grammar is horrible. I can't even read the topic without thinking to myself that you aren't intelligent."

It's official, system wars is about geeks trying to prove each other wrong for their own self satisfaction

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]if anyone is going to criticize MGS, they should have at least played all the games. I've said this so many times, but I'll say it again: Do not rely on the score given by other people in order to validate a point. I never refer to scores of games made by other people, I play the games and then form a view about it. If I haven't played a game, I don't judge it. The TC is a fool to blindly reiterate the opinion of a website-based videogame reviwer. The term 'mindless sheep' comes to mind during this subject. If you want to dispute the quality of MGS, fine by me, I will respect anyone's opinion, as long as it is their own. this is just out of hand, everyone is relying on GS scores, which are not the universal standard of quality.DSgamer64

You do know that Gamespot scores and Gamespot scores ONLY are what are used to validate a game?  If a game is AA here, but AAA everywhere else, it is still an AA game.  And, I don't necessarily agree with GS on a lot of their reviews, but that is just the way it is in system wars.  I HATE the fact that Perfect Dark Zero is considered AAA.  IMO it was VASTLY OVERRATED.  However, it got a 9.0 here, so it is AAA.  You don't have to like it or agree with it, but based on system wars standards, what I wrote about Metal Gear game franchise is true.  It is an AA franchise based on the standards of system wars....like it or not. 

Its too bad that you think reviews mean everything. I am pretty sure almost ever MGS fan and almost every other reviewers aside from the ones here at GS think that MGS has always been an AAA franchise.

I never said that reviews mean everything.  What I said is that review scores matter ON SYSTEM WARS.  But I CANNOT change system rules standards.  It just doesn't work that way.  If a game is hyped AAA, and scores AA, then whoever hyped it is owned.  It doesn't mean the game isn't great.  It just means that whoever hyped it AAA was wrong.  There are a lot of reviews I don't agree with.  I take most of them with a grain of salt actually.  And I'm sure a lot of people on system wars do the same thing.  Like I said....on system wars, GS scores are what count.  Yes, it is ridiculous and illogical, but so is a lot of system wars. 

IMO Metal Gear Solid is a high end AAA franchise. I think it's absolutely amazing.

I would love it more then Halo if it was mostly you alone fighting which I am starting to get tired of. Halo does have a lot of team mates and I always played it co-op too.

But none the less MGS is an amazing amazing series IMO 

[QUOTE="rey06"]its not becoz gamepot always rate Metal gear well sometimes an AA doesnt mean its an official AA franchise. YOU FAIL!AvIdGaMeR444

8 AA

3 AAA

Majority wins.  Metal Gear is an AA franchise. 

My guess, if you made this thread in order to bash on MGS. It's most likely because you don't have a PS3 and won't be playing it anytime soon.

[QUOTE="cobrax75"]

Halo isnt an AAA franchise either....

 

Why?

 

because only 2 games have come out for I so far.

 

as a general rule, the more games a series has, to harder it is for every new one to score AAA.

accameron

Yeah, but so far Halo is 100% AAA on consoles (PC ports are BS anyway). Although I like Metal Gear Games, and have won all of the releases on major consoles since the NES days, MGS is not an AAA franchise. Halo is.  

Let's clarify some things

1: MGS is not a AAA franchise the gameplay is terrible and the stories are always based around the exact same plot. The only thing that changes (barely) is whatever philosophical point Kojima is trying to beat into the viewer's head. Yes "viewer" not "player". There is about as much gameplay in the MGS series as Sewer Shark for the Sega CD.

2. The first Warcraft was bad and just like the Carley Simon song says "two out of three ain't AAA".

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

[QUOTE="Jockss2"]your grammar is horrible i cant even read the topic without thinking to myself... you arent intelligent...Jockss2

:lol: Next time you want to "attempt" to own me on my grammar, at least try to get periods and apostrophes in the right places in your "sentence". 

Something like this.... 

"Your grammar is horrible. I can't even read the topic without thinking to myself that you aren't intelligent."

That shows your stupidity. It was all part of my way of mocking you.

Oh, I see now.  You were attempting to mock me on my grammar that wasn't even remotely bad in the 1st place. That makes perfect sense to me. :|

On a side note, do you have anything to contribute to this thread other than flaming me for no reason?  Seriously, WTF!  All I said was that Metal Gear is an AA franchise, and I wrote evidence to back this up.  Do you have ANYTHING to contribute other than flaming me?  If not, then please don't post anymore.  I want this topic to stay on track. 

[QUOTE="Jockss2"][QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

[QUOTE="Jockss2"]your grammar is horrible i cant even read the topic without thinking to myself... you arent intelligent...AvIdGaMeR444

:lol: Next time you want to "attempt" to own me on my grammar, at least try to get periods and apostrophes in the right places in your "sentence". 

Something like this.... 

"Your grammar is horrible. I can't even read the topic without thinking to myself that you aren't intelligent."

That shows your stupidity. It was all part of my way of mocking you.

Oh, I see now.  You were attempting to mock me on my grammar that wasn't even remotely bad in the 1st place. That makes perfect sense to me. :|

On a side note, do you have anything to contribute to this thread other than flaming me for no reason?  Seriously, WTF!  All I said was that Metal Gear is an AA franchise, and I wrote evidence to back this up.  Do you have ANYTHING to contribute other than flaming me?  If not, then please don't post anymore.  I want this topic to stay on track. 

yes, I'd like to note that the mainstream MGS games are on the PS1/PS2/PSP (ops) and together those are much more of being AAA than AA. The crappy systems with bad versions of MGS bring the score down.

Who bloody cares, they are AAA in my book.

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"][QUOTE="Jockss2"][QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

[QUOTE="Jockss2"]your grammar is horrible i cant even read the topic without thinking to myself... you arent intelligent...Jockss2

:lol: Next time you want to "attempt" to own me on my grammar, at least try to get periods and apostrophes in the right places in your "sentence". 

Something like this.... 

"Your grammar is horrible. I can't even read the topic without thinking to myself that you aren't intelligent."

That shows your stupidity. It was all part of my way of mocking you.

Oh, I see now.  You were attempting to mock me on my grammar that wasn't even remotely bad in the 1st place. That makes perfect sense to me. :|

On a side note, do you have anything to contribute to this thread other than flaming me for no reason?  Seriously, WTF!  All I said was that Metal Gear is an AA franchise, and I wrote evidence to back this up.  Do you have ANYTHING to contribute other than flaming me?  If not, then please don't post anymore.  I want this topic to stay on track. 

yes, I'd like to note that the mainstream MGS games are on the PS1/PS2/PSP (ops) and together those are much more of being AAA than AA. The crappy systems with bad versions of MGS bring the score down.

Elaborate please.  Do you mean this list? 

MGS1 = AA

MGS2 = AAA

MGS2: Substance = A 

MGS3 = AA

MGS3: Subsistence = AAA  

MGS: Portable Ops = AAA

MGS: VR Missions = AA

Ok, 3 AAA, 3 AA, and 1 A.  How is this an AAA franchise?  It seems like it is 50% AA and 50% AAA. And these all the MGS games (I think) that came to PS1, PS2, and PSP. 

If MGS4 gets AAA, then MGS is an AAA franchise.  If MGS4 gets AA, then MGS is an AA franchise. 

Let's clarify some things

1: MGS is not a AAA franchise the gameplay is terrible and the stories are always based around the exact same plot. The only thing that changes (barely) is whatever philosophical point Kojima is trying to beat into the viewer's head. Yes "viewer" not "player". There is about as much gameplay in the MGS series as Sewer Shark for the Sega CD.JiveT

Wow, you seem like a person I never want to see post ever again. You sometimes have good points in some of your posts (although sometimes they're few and far between), but your blatantly ignorant view of MGS is not doing any of us any good.

[QUOTE="JiveT"]

Let's clarify some things

1: MGS is not a AAA franchise the gameplay is terrible and the stories are always based around the exact same plot. The only thing that changes (barely) is whatever philosophical point Kojima is trying to beat into the viewer's head. Yes "viewer" not "player". There is about as much gameplay in the MGS series as Sewer Shark for the Sega CD.Onizuka36

Wow, you seem like a person I never want to see post ever again. You sometimes have good points in some of your posts (although sometimes they're few and far between), but your blatantly ignorant view of MGS is not doing any of us any good.

Every game has the same sequence of events so far. Snake infiltrates, Snake is captured, Snake fights Metal Gear. Wash, rinse, repeat. The camera is awful in all 3 games until he finally (sort of) fixed the camera in Subsistence. Take away the cutscenes and you are left with an awkward playing shell of a game. The only good thing about the gameplay is how item selection is handled but he got that down to a science in the first game. I can explain why its bad can you explain why its good?

Elaborate please. Do you mean this list?

MGS1 = AA

MGS2 = AAA

MGS2: Substance = A

MGS3 = AA

MGS3: Subsistence = AAA

MGS: Portable Ops = AAA

MGS: VR Missions = AA

Ok, 3 AAA, 3 AA, and 1 A. How is this an AAA franchise? It seems like it is 50% AA and 50% AAA. And these all the MGS games (I think) that came to PS1, PS2, and PSP.

If MGS4 gets AAA, then MGS is an AAA franchise. If MGS4 gets AA, then MGS is an AA franchise.

AvIdGaMeR444

I see you keep forgetting about Integral which is AAA.

[QUOTE="Onizuka36"][QUOTE="JiveT"]

Let's clarify some things

1: MGS is not a AAA franchise the gameplay is terrible and the stories are always based around the exact same plot. The only thing that changes (barely) is whatever philosophical point Kojima is trying to beat into the viewer's head. Yes "viewer" not "player". There is about as much gameplay in the MGS series as Sewer Shark for the Sega CD.JiveT

Wow, you seem like a person I never want to see post ever again. You sometimes have good points in some of your posts (although sometimes they're few and far between), but your blatantly ignorant view of MGS is not doing any of us any good.

Every game has the same sequence of events so far. Snake infiltrates, Snake is captured, Snake fights Metal Gear. Wash, rinse, repeat. The camera is awful in all 3 games until he finally (sort of) fixed the camera in Subsistence. Take away the cutscenes and you are left with an awkward playing shell of a game. The only good thing about the gameplay is how item selection is handled but he got that down to a science in the first game. I can explain why its bad can you explain why its good?

MGS2 does not follow that you said.