Metal Gear Solid? Hardly as powerful a franchise as some think.

MGS. Beloved by gaming enthusiasts wordwide. But how powerful is the franchise, really?

Despite being on the most popular console of all time, MGS3, the latest in the series, sold just over 4 million copies (combining snake eater and substinance). Pretty good, right? Well, putting that in perspective, a console with nowhere near the install base managed to move close to 5 million copies of Gears of War.

So if the personal Jesus Christ of the PS3's younger brother couldn't outsell Gears of War despite having many times over a potential market to sell to, what chance does MGS4 have?

MGS doesn't have much of a casual fanbase. MGS series really have a target audience of core gamers, which will definitly buy a few millions. If Konami ups the marketing and take advantage of PS3's lackluster Library, they can build a lot of Hype.

GeOW gained a lot of sales of hype from MS and stand out graphics.

MGS doesn't have much of a casual fanbase. MGS series really have a target audience of core gamers, which will definitly buy a few millions. If Konami ups the marketing and take advantage of PS3's lackluster Library, they can build a lot of Hype.

GeOW gained a lot of sales of hype from MS and stand out graphics.

Blue-Sky

This isn't a discussion over how good the game is going to be, frankly I don't care.

This is a discussion about the games ability to move sales, I was completely up front with this from the beginning.

This isn't a discussion over how good the game is going to be, frankly I don't care.

This is a discussion about the games ability to move sales, I was completely up front with this from the beginning.

KirbyFan10101

MGSIV will sell because of the Hype...I've never seen so much hype for a MGS game...so I expect MGSIV to be PS3's best seller...even thought that's not saying much...

[QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"]

This isn't a discussion over how good the game is going to be, frankly I don't care.

This is a discussion about the games ability to move sales, I was completely up front with this from the beginning.

-D3MO-

MGSIV will sell because of the Hype...I've never seen so much hype for a MGS game...so I expect MGSIV to be PS3's best seller...even thought that's not saying much...

Hype where? On some forums? We are a drop in the ocean.

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"]

This isn't a discussion over how good the game is going to be, frankly I don't care.

This is a discussion about the games ability to move sales, I was completely up front with this from the beginning.

KirbyFan10101

MGSIV will sell because of the Hype...I've never seen so much hype for a MGS game...so I expect MGSIV to be PS3's best seller...even thought that's not saying much...

Hype where? On some forums? We are a drop in the ocean.

Not really, whoever I talk to (I don't go around asking people about games), but when a game conversation pops up, most people when talking about PS3 talk about Final Fantasy and GT and MGS.

I've heard it from casuals, from the hardcore, etc.

MGSIV will be huge....its one of the PS3's "SYSTEM SELLERS" (although I don't consider it so) SOny would be dumb not to advertise this game....they should throw millions at Konami to keep it exclusive and for advertising

[QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"]

This isn't a discussion over how good the game is going to be, frankly I don't care.

This is a discussion about the games ability to move sales, I was completely up front with this from the beginning.

-D3MO-

MGSIV will sell because of the Hype...I've never seen so much hype for a MGS game...so I expect MGSIV to be PS3's best seller...even thought that's not saying much...

Hype where? On some forums? We are a drop in the ocean.

Not really, whoever I talk to (I don't go around asking people about games), but when a game conversation pops up, most people when talking about PS3 talk about Final Fantasy and GT and MGS.

I've heard it from casuals, from the hardcore, etc.

MGSIV will be huge....its one of the PS3's "SYSTEM SELLERS" (although I don't consider it so) SOny would be dumb not to advertise this game....they should throw millions at Konami to keep it exclusive and for advertising

MGS. Beloved by gaming enthusiasts wordwide. But how powerful is the franchise, really?

Despite being on the most popular console of all time, MGS3, the latest in the series, sold just over 4 million copies (combining snake eater and substinance). Pretty good, right? Well, putting that in perspective, a console with nowhere near the install base managed to move close to 5 million copies of Gears of War.

So if the personal Jesus Christ of the PS3's younger brother couldn't outsell Gears of War despite having many times over a potential market to sell to, what chance does MGS4 have?

KirbyFan10101

MGS2 sold seven million copies and it basically came out in the first year of the PS2 launch just like Gears of War for the X360. The amount of hype for MGS2 was pretty much described as "immense" and MGS4 is pretty much the same thing. For MGS3, four million copies still makes MGS3 one of the top ten best selling games on the PS2, 9th, according to wiki, i would say the hype meter didn't reach it's fullest potential but still four million copies, that's a big achievement.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

MGS doesn't have much of a casual fanbase. MGS series really have a target audience of core gamers, which will definitly buy a few millions. If Konami ups the marketing and take advantage of PS3's lackluster Library, they can build a lot of Hype.

GeOW gained a lot of sales of hype from MS and stand out graphics.

supras989

mgs isn't difficult o.O nor is it for the hardcore game....its just fantastic.

you could run through big sections of mgs 2, so long as you hit a loading screen before the alarm was sounded you were safe :p

I would think a franchise is determinded by the quality games it has not the sales.

Some games like Final Fantasy were popular in lets say Japan at first. Now it has become popular world wide, if you really want to go into a discussion about sales then look at how things can change.

[QUOTE="supras989"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

MGS doesn't have much of a casual fanbase. MGS series really have a target audience of core gamers, which will definitly buy a few millions. If Konami ups the marketing and take advantage of PS3's lackluster Library, they can build a lot of Hype.

GeOW gained a lot of sales of hype from MS and stand out graphics.

toxicmog

mgs isn't difficult o.O nor is it for the hardcore game....its just fantastic.

you could run through big sections of mgs 2, so long as you hit a loading screen before the alarm was sounded you were safe :p

have you try it in the hardest difficulty possible???i guess not

MGS is a core playe game, and at the price the PS3 is right now, it will sell A LOT. Only core gamer are gonna pay that price... and a few rich casuals...general_KDI

[QUOTE="toxicmog"][QUOTE="supras989"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

MGS doesn't have much of a casual fanbase. MGS series really have a target audience of core gamers, which will definitly buy a few millions. If Konami ups the marketing and take advantage of PS3's lackluster Library, they can build a lot of Hype.

GeOW gained a lot of sales of hype from MS and stand out graphics.

loseittoo

mgs isn't difficult o.O nor is it for the hardcore game....its just fantastic.

you could run through big sections of mgs 2, so long as you hit a loading screen before the alarm was sounded you were safe :p

have you try it in the hardest difficulty possible???i guess not

Well it is **** easy on MGS3, heck I even made a guide on getting the top ranking.

MGS is like sushi, some like it although it don't taste good, and some don't like it cause it don't taste goodMax_Settings

pretty much, i kinda got over it though, they all start out the same way,

Colonel Campbell: " Snake we have survellance of a new metal gear and we believe that ocleot is behind along with your clone rereseurrected brother liquid who has your dads eyes".

Solid Snake; " Let me guess you need me to confirm its existence and stop them from activating the new metal gear and kill ocelot and my brother, right"

Campbell; " uhhh yeah how did you know?"

Snake; " because we always use the same ploit formula"

Campbell; " umm yeah, forgot that part, but you will have some new weapons"

Naomi: Yeah new weapons i developed a teleportation device so you can go back in time and step on the test tube that created your brother.

Solid Snake: " yeah we win" drops dead from old age

credits roll

Metal Gear Solid is an AMAZING franchise,

But its NOT a system seller.

MGS. Beloved by gaming enthusiasts wordwide. But how powerful is the franchise, really?

Despite being on the most popular console of all time, MGS3, the latest in the series, sold just over 4 million copies (combining snake eater and substinance). Pretty good, right? Well, putting that in perspective, a console with nowhere near the install base managed to move close to 5 million copies of Gears of War.

So if the personal Jesus Christ of the PS3's younger brother couldn't outsell Gears of War despite having many times over a potential market to sell to, what chance does MGS4 have?

KirbyFan10101

You are making an illogical arguement. What you are saying is that a series of critically acclaimed movies aren't that powerful because they sell fewer tickets than a more mainstream movie. But the question is, would you rather cater to a strong and loyal audience who knows your series, or an audience that may be jumping on a bandwagon only to jump off with the sequal?

I'm speaking purely hypothetically of course. But MGS has proven itself to be a strong and quality franchise. It just doesn't have much appeal outside of NA (like FPS) and also doesn't have a large casual following because casuals hate games with story and complexity...they just want to shoot stuff mindlessly.

buy powerfull franshise i hope you dont mean , where ms puts up ads every where, and bribes reviewers.

mgs4 will sell a hell of alot of ps3, people aere waiting to buy ps3 just because of it.

Metal Gear Solid is an AMAZING franchise,

But its NOT a system seller.

cosmostein77

It is a system seller, just not that big. What's your definition of a system seller? jsut GTA, Mario and Halo? No.

[QUOTE="cosmostein77"]

Metal Gear Solid is an AMAZING franchise,

But its NOT a system seller.

Kratos_OMEGA

It is a system seller, just not that big. What's your definition of a system seller? jsut GTA, Mario and Halo? No.

uhh yeah especially my beloved halo

I think itwill reach 3 million in sales on the ps3eventually , and thatwould be enoughto reachsystem selling status (to me).

It just goes to show that the big sellers are the games of the mindless. Point gun, pull trigger. Metal Gear doesn't need to be "powerful" in the sales field, because the story tops everything else out there, this isn't 4 games, it's one story. 3-1-2-4. Until there is a 15-part Wheel of Time game, nothing will touch Metal Gear and Kojima-san's Brilliance. Boycotting Transformers until Paramount decides to join the world of Uncompressed Audio and Higher Definition. ._sephex_