Metal Gear Solid Legacy Collection spotted for PS3

Goddammit, I bought the HD Collection recently.

I will lose my f*cking shit if this has an MGS1 remake in it.

Old and young Snake on the cover, guessing mgs 1-4.

HD MGS1 remake please!

Clock-w0rk

OG MGS > Twin Snakes

The new perspective in Twin Snakes pretty much sets the whole thing on easy mode. Think of it like putting Super Mario World in first-person. Would it work? Maybe. But the game design clearly wasn't set with it in mind, and the game would suffer for it. Twin Snakes also adds in overexaggerated cutscenes and inferior voicework, which doesn't help.

Anyways, I'd probably buy a Legacy Collection if it came out.

Slashkice

Because Metal Gear Solid never had exaggerated cutscenes. Ever.

Also, yo, how is the voicework inferior?

I would die for PS3 version of Peace Walker.

I would die for PS3 version of Peace Walker.

tonitorsi

Wonder if it'll have The Twin Snakes in it. Excellent game.

Goddammit, I bought the HD Collection recently.

I will lose my f*cking shit if this has an MGS1 remake in it.

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

I would die for PS3 version of Peace Walker.

DarkLink77

Oh lawd. Then, I would kill a bytch for a re-release version! 

[spoiler] derpy me, derpy me...I didn't know that tho :P [/spoiler]

Old and young Snake on the cover, guessing mgs 1-4.

HD MGS1 remake please!

Clock-w0rk

Keep milking the franchise....

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

I would die for PS3 version of Peace Walker.

tonitorsi

Oh lawd. Then, I would kill a bytch for a re-release version! 

[spoiler] derpy me, derpy me...I didn't know that tho :P [/spoiler]

Well glad I didn't buy the HD Collection.

Course now my Essential Collection will be ignored when I get this.:P Haha METAL GEAR! LIQUID! SNAKE!

Man MGS makes yelling fun.:lol:

[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Yo, that already exists, Toni.DarkLink77

Oh lawd. Then, I would kill a bytch for a re-release version! 

[spoiler] derpy me, derpy me...I didn't know that tho :P [/spoiler]

Ok, this is stupidly tempting.

Kind of a bummer that MGS4 isn't included since its the one MGS game with the most tight gameplay mechanics, but the Best MGS game (mgs3) being legit included with Peace Walker is cray man.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

Oh lawd. Then, I would kill a bytch for a re-release version! 

 

[spoiler] derpy me, derpy me...I didn't know that tho :P [/spoiler]

tonitorsi

Ok, this is stupidly tempting.

Kind of a bummer that MGS4 isn't included since its the one MGS game with the most tight gameplay mechanics, but the Best MGS game (mgs3) being legit included with Peace Walker is cray man.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

Oh lawd. Then, I would kill a bytch for a re-release version! 

 

[spoiler] derpy me, derpy me...I didn't know that tho :P [/spoiler]

tonitorsi

Ok, this is stupidly tempting.

Kind of a bummer that MGS4 isn't included since its the one MGS game with the most tight gameplay mechanics, but the Best MGS game (mgs3) being legit included with Peace Walker is cray man.

It's MGS3 Substance, so the controls arent horrible, definitely worth it.

Plus having the GOAT MGS2 in HD is wonderful.

Another one? There is already the MGS Essentials Collection and the HD Collection

BPoole96

They're probably going to pull a God of War and just re-release the old collection with the PS3 game and a PSN voucher for MGS included.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Because Metal Gear Solid never had exaggerated cutscenes. Ever.

Also, yo, how is the voicework inferior?

Slashkice

Grey. Goddamn. Fox. His voice lacks the hint of madness the original VA brought to the character. The remake version sounds too vanilla by comparison.

As for cutscenes, Snake kicking a rocket still stands as the pinnacle of stupidity in the series.

I actually bought a Gamecube for Twin Snakes. Still wonder to this day why the graphics were so bad on such a powerful system at the time.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Because Metal Gear Solid never had exaggerated cutscenes. Ever.

Also, yo, how is the voicework inferior?

Slashkice

Grey. Goddamn. Fox. His voice lacks the hint of madness the original VA brought to the character. The remake version sounds too vanilla by comparison.

As for cutscenes, Snake kicking a rocket still stands as the pinnacle of stupidity in the series.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]Oh, did they change the VA? Nah. Metal Gear Solid 4 exists.Slashkice

Yeah, they swapped the VAs. Mei Ling and Naomi also lost their accents in the new version.

And regardless of whichever is more silly, the cutscene additions still add nothing to the game. Metal Gear Solid is relatively grounded, arguably the most grounded in the series, so the rocket-kicking stuff just feels out of place.

Metal Gear Solid 3.

[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

OG MGS > Twin Snakes

The new perspective in Twin Snakes pretty much sets the whole thing on easy mode. Think of it like putting Super Mario World in first-person. Would it work? Maybe. But the game design clearly wasn't set with it in mind, and the game would suffer for it. Twin Snakes also adds in overexaggerated cutscenes and inferior voicework, which doesn't help.

Anyways, I'd probably buy a Legacy Collection if it came out.

DarkLink77

Because Metal Gear Solid never had exaggerated cutscenes. Ever.

Also, yo, how is the voicework inferior?

define "exaggerated" because I don't remember Snake dodging any bullets in slow motion in any of the games. And the VA is indeed of lower quality. I mean, the only reason the OG VA returned was because Hayter put half of his paycheck to pay them!

Twin Snakes is exactly what MGS1 would have been if it were made a few years later with better technology. Because that's exactly what it is. MGS1, made a few years later with better technology. Anyone saying otherwise is hopelessly blinded by a nostalgic connection to... nothing.

the_bi99man

Not really man.  There are differences that could easily make a person prefer one over the other.  You'll find that more MGS fans prefer the original tbh.

Before I state the differences let me say I do not give a sh*t either way.  I cant bring myself to play either game anymore, so it doesnt matter to me.

• Gameplay - They went and added FP view, tranqs, dragging bodies and locker hiding and other mechanics from MGS2.  Yet they didnt balance the enemy AI, paths or rework the level design.  The new mechanics didn't make for a better game.  They made for a ridiculously easy broken game.  The gameplay and environments were already built perfectly around the existing mechanics.  No steps were taken to balance in the new mechanics so they come off as unnecessary and even destructive to the experience in some areas.
• Graphics - This is is an obvious win for TTS.  There is no comparison.  The only common complaint here is that while the graphics were technically better, the art direction completely missed the point.  MGS1 has a very gritty and moody atmosphere.  Dark and grim.  TTS is ridiculously clean looking.  Almost sterile.  So while it looks better by a ridiculous margin, it completely failed to capture the original atmosphere.
• Cutsenes and out of character moments - This is a two sided coin.  The new action packed Matrix styIe cutscenes made Gray Fox come to life.  They did his character so much justice.  On the other hand you have Solid Snake.  Solid Snake is a bad ass because he is supposed to be a mere man going up against super human enemies.  Well in TTS he becomes a super human as well.  He pulls off spiderman maneuvers clinging himself into the corner of a room like its nothing.  He surfs on missiles like its just another day another dollar.  At no point in any Metal Gear game, before or after, does Snake exhibit such super human traits.  Then you have Snakes complete flip out moments.  Gone is the cool, composed SS we all know and love.  He just flies of the hinges like an idiot randomly.  This is completely out of line with his character in all the other games.

Beyond that, there are many other differences in the script, the voice acting (this is almost completely different) and even in the music.

But I don't want to bog you down with a 5 page essay about it.

The point is, TTS is not just the better game in every way.  From purely a gameplay perspective it is considerably worse.  But there are literally hundreds of pros and cons between the two games and saying TTS is the best by default is simply untrue.

EDIT:  Almost forgot!  Kojima specifically asked the guys at Silicon Knights to make TTS a MUCH different experience.  He didnt want it to be just MGS with slightly newer tech.  And they followed his orders well.

Id really like to own a complete MGS saga, as Ive played them sparced out over several consoles.... I wont buy an HD MGS without MGS1 in it though... That was the best one.

TheEroica

I'm guessing this one will include a download code for getting MGS from the marketplace and 2/3/peacewalker/4.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

Oh lawd. Then, I would kill a bytch for a re-release version! 

 

[spoiler] derpy me, derpy me...I didn't know that tho :P [/spoiler]

tonitorsi

Ok, this is stupidly tempting.

Kind of a bummer that MGS4 isn't included since its the one MGS game with the most tight gameplay mechanics, but the Best MGS game (mgs3) being legit included with Peace Walker is cray man.

I would burn that picture if I could, anything with MGS 2 makes me want to vomit.

First 20 min of MGS 2

Everything after the first 20 min

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Because Metal Gear Solid never had exaggerated cutscenes. Ever.

Also, yo, how is the voicework inferior?

Slashkice

Grey. Goddamn. Fox. His voice lacks the hint of madness the original VA brought to the character. The remake version sounds too vanilla by comparison.

As for cutscenes, Snake kicking a rocket still stands as the pinnacle of stupidity in the series.

[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Because Metal Gear Solid never had exaggerated cutscenes. Ever.

Also, yo, how is the voicework inferior?

razgriz_101

Grey. Goddamn. Fox. His voice lacks the hint of madness the original VA brought to the character. The remake version sounds too vanilla by comparison.

As for cutscenes, Snake kicking a rocket still stands as the pinnacle of stupidity in the series.

The whole thing with Vamp was stupid and they actually redeemed Raiden to an extent in MGS4, they kinda killed any sort of "coolness" Raiden was building up as a character in MGRR. The whole "Jack da Ripper" thing was so stupid, it's like making love to your GF and she yells out her ex's name, that's a mood killer just like when Raiden went all "Jack da Ripper".

It's like Platinum devs watched the Shining for the first time ever and said "this is dope ****, let's put it in our game".

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"][QUOTE="Slashkice"]

Grey. Goddamn. Fox. His voice lacks the hint of madness the original VA brought to the character. The remake version sounds too vanilla by comparison.

As for cutscenes, Snake kicking a rocket still stands as the pinnacle of stupidity in the series.

Ballroompirate

The whole thing with Vamp was stupid and they actually redeemed Raiden to an extent in MGS4, they kinda killed any sort of "coolness" Raiden was building up as a character in MGRR. The whole "Jack da Ripper" thing was so stupid, it's like making love to your GF and she yells out her ex's name, that's a mood killer just like when Raiden went all "Jack da Ripper".

It's like Platinum devs watched the Shining for the first time ever and said "this is dope ****, let's put it in our game".

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]Oh, are they actually going to put Twin Snakes on the PS3 this time?Gue1

Release an incomplete collection the first time then release another one...pathetic.bobbetybob

[QUOTE="Gue1"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]Oh, are they actually going to put Twin Snakes on the PS3 this time?mariokart64fan

[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

OG MGS > Twin Snakes

The new perspective in Twin Snakes pretty much sets the whole thing on easy mode. Think of it like putting Super Mario World in first-person. Would it work? Maybe. But the game design clearly wasn't set with it in mind, and the game would suffer for it. Twin Snakes also adds in overexaggerated cutscenes and inferior voicework, which doesn't help.

Anyways, I'd probably buy a Legacy Collection if it came out.

DarkLink77

Because Metal Gear Solid never had exaggerated cutscenes. Ever.

Also, yo, how is the voicework inferior?

Exagerated is one thing.  Taking your main series protagonist completely out of character via actions and attitude is completely different.  As over the top as the series gets, Snake has always been relatively grounded.  TTS is the only MG game that completely goes against this.

The voice work is arguable.  Considering that the VA in TTS is what they ended up using for the rest of the series, I would guess that Kojima found it to be an improvement.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

You just need to take off the Nostalgia Goggles. It gives off the same feeling you get when playing Metal Gear Solid for the first time.

Darth_Kane

Yes because having an extreme ninja Snake has SO much to do with nostalgia. Ninja Snake is SO similar to the one in the sequels.

I recently replayed MGS1 and sure I can see it has aged, but I care about story more than graphics and gameplay

I played Twin Snakes first and PS1 version second.

LegatoSkyheart

That's probably your problem. It's like when people say the Star Wars prequels are better than the originals. It's laughable

and this is comparible to those who are butt hurt over the Revised Star Wars movies because George Lucas thought it would be nice to update them.

(EXCEPT THE ORIGINAL IS STILL AVALIBLE TO THOSE CURIOUS ABOUT HOW IT ORIGINALLY PLAYED.)

and really the Exaggerated Cutscenes didn't destroy the game, Like I said when I beat the game in the playstation version I still felt more triumphant than I did when first playing it on the Gamecube.

The only things that were glaringly different in the game for me was actually Mei Ling's voice, and that was mostly because I was so used to MGS2 Mei Ling. Not to mention the voice in the PS1 game made Mei Ling sound very Stereo typical. Thought it was lame at first, but after awhile I grown to love it, it was great.

But thinking any sudden change destroys the entire game is just flat out stupid, cause it didn't change. The Game still has the same themes, the same characters, the same everything.

I'm guessing just MGS4 + MGS1 bundled with the HD collection

MGS if my most beloved game series,

i already own the HD collection so this feels like a quick cash grab,

i want Kojima to remake MGS1, and no the Twin Snakes is not a fvking remake! that game is a complete joke, snake doing backflips and matrix style kung fu, ughh.

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Twin Snakes is exactly what MGS1 would have been if it were made a few years later with better technology. Because that's exactly what it is. MGS1, made a few years later with better technology. Anyone saying otherwise is hopelessly blinded by a nostalgic connection to... nothing.

Wiimotefan

Not really man. There are differences that could easily make a person prefer one over the other. You'll find that more MGS fans prefer the original tbh.

Before I state the differences let me say I do not give a sh*t either way. I cant bring myself to play either game anymore, so it doesnt matter to me.

• Gameplay - They went and added FP view, tranqs, dragging bodies and locker hiding and other mechanics from MGS2. Yet they didnt balance the enemy AI, paths or rework the level design. The new mechanics didn't make for a better game. They made for a ridiculously easy broken game. The gameplay and environments were already built perfectly around the existing mechanics. No steps were taken to balance in the new mechanics so they come off as unnecessary and even destructive to the experience in some areas.
• Graphics - This is is an obvious win for TTS. There is no comparison. The only common complaint here is that while the graphics were technically better, the art direction completely missed the point. MGS1 has a very gritty and moody atmosphere. Dark and grim. TTS is ridiculously clean looking. Almost sterile. So while it looks better by a ridiculous margin, it completely failed to capture the original atmosphere.
• Cutsenes and out of character moments - This is a two sided coin. The new action packed Matrix styIe cutscenes made Gray Fox come to life. They did his character so much justice. On the other hand you have Solid Snake. Solid Snake is a bad ass because he is supposed to be a mere man going up against super human enemies. Well in TTS he becomes a super human as well. He pulls off spiderman maneuvers clinging himself into the corner of a room like its nothing. He surfs on missiles like its just another day another dollar. At no point in any Metal Gear game, before or after, does Snake exhibit such super human traits. Then you have Snakes complete flip out moments. Gone is the cool, composed SS we all know and love. He just flies of the hinges like an idiot randomly. This is completely out of line with his character in all the other games.

Beyond that, there are many other differences in the script, the voice acting (this is almost completely different) and even in the music.

But I don't want to bog you down with a 5 page essay about it.

The point is, TTS is not just the better game in every way. From purely a gameplay perspective it is considerably worse. But there are literally hundreds of pros and cons between the two games and saying TTS is the best by default is simply untrue.

EDIT: Almost forgot! Kojima specifically asked the guys at Silicon Knights to make TTS a MUCH different experience. He didnt want it to be just MGS with slightly newer tech. And they followed his orders well.

very true how they made GrayFox so epic (although his original voice was much better + music)

but what they did to snake was horrific, we need Kojima and ONLY Kojima making Metal Gear games.

MGS if my most beloved game series,

i already own the HD collection so this feels like a quick cash grab,

i want Kojima to remake MGS1, and no the Twin Snakes is not a fvking remake! that game is a complete joke, snake doing backflips and matrix style kung fu, ughh.

GrayF0X786

And somehow Cutscenes make the game irrelevant.

How about Raiden picking up a freakin' Metal Gear and Tossing it aside?

How about that Vamp in MGS2?

Volgun, and his Static Electricity, wtf.

The Metal Gear Solid franchise is full of wtf moments. How is Twin Snakes any different? If anything Twin Snakes made the First Metal Gear Solid game more in line with the rest of the series. MGS1 on PS1 is the odd ball.

meh, I'll wait for the godlike youtube version

Sure would be great if it came to a system that I have.

Well sell well.

Cash Grab

All they need to do is add MGS 1 Gamecube version but just do a proper HD remaster and this will sell great. I won't buy it but many will.

I own both collections and yes I'll go ahead and buy this as well without knowing what the hell it is simply because it's Metal Gear *sigh*

hahahahahahaa.  Dat Sony milkage.  TCHBFR.

.. . It's hard to play back MGS1 .... the control system are not relevennt anymorehippiesanta