Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker Is T, Kojima Wishes It Was E For Everyone

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#1 Blazerdt47
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Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker Is T, Kojima Wishes It Was E For Everyone

imageMost Metal Gear Solid games are rated "M" by the ESRB in North America. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker is shooting for a broader audience since it's being designed as a "T" rated title.

What does that mean? No blood, but the game's plot is still serious. Hideo Kojima explains more in a tweet.

"This time around we wanted to go for a 'T' rating since it's on the PSP. There is no bloodshed effects so the younger crowd can enjoy it as well. But the MGS world and theme lives on. The script is seriously written…anti-nuke and anti-war with the nuclear deterrence theory as the backbone. Wish it could of been 'E.'"

Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker is rated CERO C in Japan, which means its for ages 15 and up. So, one of the differences between an ESRB "T" and "M" rated Metal Gear Solid game is blood. What would an "E" rated Metal Gear Solid game be like then? Would everyone carry super soakers?

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#2 Brownesque
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Ew, gross, bleh. May skip this game. I rather dislike it when people compromise their artistic integrity for the sake of appealing to mass audiences.
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#3 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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No blood? Teh cazual D: Nah, if the lack blood is the only factor that influenced the T rating, it's not a big deal.
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#4 JangoWuzHere
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I think hes crazy to think this. If he wanted it to be E for everyone then it would have to be a much different game.

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#6 bobbetybob
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If what he says about the story is true then most kids won't have a ****ing clue whats going on anyway.
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#7 N30F3N1X
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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Ew, gross, bleh. May skip this game. I rather dislike it when people compromise their artistic integrity for the sake of appealing to mass audiences.Blazerdt47

You skip a game because of no blood?

Pathetic excuse from a so-called gamer.

It's not because of lack of blood, it's because of the mentality it was developed with.

If you look at Brownesque's posting history or profile, you'd know pretty well he's not the kind of guy that hates a Metal Gear Solid title for no reason.

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#9 Sollet
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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Ew, gross, bleh. May skip this game. I rather dislike it when people compromise their artistic integrity for the sake of appealing to mass audiences.Blazerdt47

You skip a game because of no blood?

Pathetic excuse from a so-called gamer.

I second this. lulz wut no blood I no play :roll:
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#10 Blazerdt47
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[QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Ew, gross, bleh. May skip this game. I rather dislike it when people compromise their artistic integrity for the sake of appealing to mass audiences.N30F3N1X

You skip a game because of no blood?

Pathetic excuse from a so-called gamer.

It's not because of lack of blood, it's because of the mentality it was developed with.

If you look at Brownesque's posting history or profile, you'd know pretty well he's not the kind of guy that hates a Metal Gear Solid title for no reason.

What mentality? MGS is one of those game series where blood wouldn't make a difference if it was in or out. Although I prefer it have blood, that doesn't detract from the actual MGS story and game itself if it didn't have blood.

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#11 Bread_or_Decide
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I think blood is more important in a game like GOW but not in MGS. In MGS I want super complicated mythology and endless talking. Blood is just a bonus. No blood is no big deal. The demo was awesome btw.
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#12 LiquidSnake1001
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Kojima is weird these days I'm glad he's not directing Rising.
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Kojima is weird these days I'm glad he's not directing Rising.LiquidSnake1001
:P Comments like these make me laugh.
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#14 organic_machine
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MGS is one of those game series where blood wouldn't make a difference if it was in or out.

Blazerdt47

Umm... Do you remember the cyborg ninja scenes from MGS 1?

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It's great to still have some developers aiming to have games played by everyone instead of just teenagers.
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#16 Half-Way
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well well what have we here

MGS? without blood? rated T?

everyone knows T rating sucks, true gamers dont play T rated games, as demonstrated by the crowed on SW

:P

i hate sony, i hate kojima for this. i will never ever buy their products again RAGEEE!

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I hate it when people compromise their artistic integrity for the sake of appealing to mass audiences.Brownesque

This. Hideo Kojima is one of the last people I thought would sell out for a larger audience. I have lot major respect for him as a developer.

I don't see how shooting someone in the head and the difference between T and M being the blood that comes out. Maybe if it was with a Nerf gun and it was shooting a cartoon bunny... but I assume this game will maintain the same styIe as the other MGS games.

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I could care less about the lack of blood. It's not like there is a huge amount in MGS games to begin with.
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I could care less about the lack of blood. It's not like there is a huge amount in MGS games to begin with. HarlockJC
This. MGS4 I never really noticed the blood. I did in MGS2 because of the samurai sword. In a MGS game blood is nothing.
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#20 Half-Way
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kojima just said he wanted it to be "T" or lower becouse it was on psp

so handheld consoles are teh kiddy acording to him =O

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#21 MPHhunter
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No blood? Whatever. I hardly notice blood any more when shooting enemies. It's pretty much only in games with up-close brutal kills(such as GoW and GOW) that I notice blood.
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#22 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]I could care less about the lack of blood. It's not like there is a huge amount in MGS games to begin with. aaronmullan
This. MGS4 I never really noticed the blood. I did in MGS2 because of the samurai sword. In a MGS game blood is nothing.

I second this THIS. I really don't know what blood has to do with artistic integrity. People really have no idea what they're complaining about sometimes. If he doesn't WANT blood in the game what is he sacrificing? If that's his vision for the game he's staying true to his own vision. Ridiculous.
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#23 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

[QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

MGS is one of those game series where blood wouldn't make a difference if it was in or out.

Umm... Do you remember the cyborg ninja scenes from MGS 1?

Even with an M rating I never thought any of the MGS games were inappropriate in any way. Even the sexy stuff in MGS3 is pretty tame. Small thrills for any teen.
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#24 hayato_
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Wow, just wow.

So he wants his gme to be played by everyone and its a problem.:| I never really played MGS for seeing and makingblood spot , DMC maybe, NG maybe, MK maybe, but not MGS.

This isn't GOW, this is MGS

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[QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

MGS is one of those game series where blood wouldn't make a difference if it was in or out.

organic_machine

Umm... Do you remember the cyborg ninja scenes from MGS 1?

Ooo, oh, nice try. But after all the whole scene pressed on action and surprise development . Personally I was more impressed from the moving flash line coming from the Fox's suit.Peace Walker yet again will have comics-like cut scenes, meaning a whole different feel of what's going on. I think the gameplay will lack blood but I hope they've managed to sneak somethin at least a little bit gory in the comics scenes just for the taste of it. It's a game about a war after all...

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:x I really can't stand Kojima's crap since MGS4, he's totally casual now and has forgot the hardcore gameing crowd that praised him when his work was actually worth somehting.

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:x I really can't stand Kojima's crap since MGS4, he's totally casual now and has forgot the hardcore gameing crowd that praised him when his work was actually worth somehting.

playharderfool

wait are you serious? becouse that one was hard to tell lol

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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]I hate it when people compromise their artistic integrity for the sake of appealing to mass audiences.foxhound_fox


This. Hideo Kojima is one of the last people I thought would sell out for a larger audience. I have lot major respect for him as a developer.

I don't see how shooting someone in the head and the difference between T and M being the blood that comes out. Maybe if it was with a Nerf gun and it was shooting a cartoon bunny... but I assume this game will maintain the same styIe as the other MGS games.

This. It's not about the lack of blood. It's the fact that he's compromising his vision of the game simply to get more sales from younger kids.

Look at his twitter comment: "This time around we wanted to go for a 'T' rating since it's on the PSP."

He designed this game around the rating, instead of making the game he wanted and let the rating happen.

To be honest, I'm not the hugest fan of Kojima anyway, but I lost respect for him due to this. It's effectively like a hugely popular underground metal band joining a music label and making a pop cd so they could increase their sales.

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[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

:x I really can't stand Kojima's crap since MGS4, he's totally casual now and has forgot the hardcore gameing crowd that praised him when his work was actually worth somehting.

Half-Way

wait are you serious? becouse that one was hard to tell lol

haha

this thread is so jokes, kojima is a pretentious windbag and people are offended by him taking the BLOOD out of his games? what a crazy world we live in

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I think he's joking lol. I'm sure Kojima-san knows damn well his games will never get E's. :P

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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Ew, gross, bleh. May skip this game. I rather dislike it when people compromise their artistic integrity for the sake of appealing to mass audiences.

Well said although this was a obvious move his reasoning for the PSP release was to appeal to a younger audience in Japan.
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#32 Half-Way
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]I hate it when people compromise their artistic integrity for the sake of appealing to mass audiences.mythrol


This. Hideo Kojima is one of the last people I thought would sell out for a larger audience. I have lot major respect for him as a developer.

I don't see how shooting someone in the head and the difference between T and M being the blood that comes out. Maybe if it was with a Nerf gun and it was shooting a cartoon bunny... but I assume this game will maintain the same styIe as the other MGS games.

This. It's not about the lack of blood. It's the fact that he's compromising his vision of the game simply to get more sales from younger kids.

Look at his twitter comment: "This time around we wanted to go for a 'T' rating since it's on the PSP."

He designed this game around the rating, instead of making the game he wanted and let the rating happen.

To be honest, I'm not the hugest fan of Kojima anyway, but I lost respect for him due to this. It's effectively like a hugely popular underground metal band joining a music label and making a pop cd so they could increase their sales.

disigners usually base their disigns on either group they want to atract , what its going to be used for, or what it needs to have inorder to be qualified as great. ect.

games are also a form of art, and as we know art dosent have rules, imagination, creativity are the keys here.

while a game disigner needs a litle of both, they need to make the game playable.

and some of them are willing to make the gameplay suffer for the art itself, the statment

i wouldnt consider Kojima to be one of them, unlike Suda51 :P so i feel its natural for him to base his game around something.

even if im not sure the age rating is a great idea, in my opinion, but it will make more people able to play and enjoy the game.

i myself couldnt care less, the quicker he abandens his MGS fans the quicker can he return to ZOE :P

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I can care less about the lack of blood. I just want to play another MGS that has Big Boss as the main character.

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I think he's joking lol. I'm sure Kojima-san knows damn well his games will never get E's. :P

PSdual_wielder

All his Boktai titles were rated "E"

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E or M means nothing when no one can understand the ridiculous plot and poorly written dialogue.

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#36 jasonharris48
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E or M means nothing when no one can understand the ridiculous plot and poorly written dialogue.

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MGS4 was the only title that suffered from that and you can still understand the plot (now liking the plot of MGS4 that's a different story)

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I don't see very much blood in a MGS game because I choke people to death.
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Im still getting it

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I bet it was the cigar.
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#40 SaltyMeatballs
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It was never gonna be E... maybe here in the UK, because Mass Effect 1 was rated 12 even with the blue alien sex :P
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Sounds like he just wants a younger audience to be able to experience his game.
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#42 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Ew, gross, bleh. May skip this game..

Because of lack of blood? :|
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#43 LegatoSkyheart
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Metal Gear Solid was a "M" Rated Game!?

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So throughout the series, we've seen a man eaten alive by birds, a dozen soldiers get brutally slaughtered in a hallway, a naked man sneaking around a submarine, one of the greatest heroes in video game history being brutally tortured, men in the middle east being ripped apart by bullets, and a psychopathic woman drop an F-bomb, and they're disappointed that the newest installment isn't rated E?

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So throughout the series, we've seen a man eaten alive by birds, a dozen soldiers get brutally slaughtered in a hallway, a naked man sneaking around a submarine, one of the greatest heroes in video game history being brutally tortured, men in the middle east being ripped apart by bullets, and a psychopathic woman drop an F-bomb, and they're disappointed that the newest installment isn't rated E?

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Yeah pretty much.

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#46 emorainbo
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Metal Gear Solid was a "M" Rated Game!?

LegatoSkyheart

Yeah seriouly, MGS has always been like a PG-13 movie if you ask me.

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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Ew, gross, bleh. May skip this game..Silverbond
Because of lack of blood? :|

It just like how games that strive to be "badass" and purposely gory just to seem "mature" end up being lame. Well this is the same exact thing only the opposite.

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#48 enterawesome
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...And? Blood isn't really what you remember when you play an MGS game. No big deal, really. If I had a PSP I'd be super hyped for this one.
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#49 JuarN18
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artistic integrity = pixelated blood? :lol:

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#50 nervmeister
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That's kind of like wishing to see a G-rated Predator movie.