MGO Is a Scam

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]Wow, thats pretty sad on Konami's part. Simply getting online is bad enough. Making a GameID then a KonamiID? I mean come on. MGS4 is a great game, but MGO is anything but that. I already didn't like it that much, but the idea that you buy something and then it unlocks it on the disc is just flat out bad. Other games have tried to do this, even on 360. I think Halo 2 did it, but I can't remember correctly. This is going to come back to Konami and undoubtedly Kojima too.TREAL_Since

I agree that getting setup for MGO is ouright ridiculous, but the game and features don't suffer from that.

The game is already critically acclaimed, is a blockbuster hit, and MGO has it's fan base. I don't see anything coming back to Konami or Kojima.

The game is already $59.99 US. People don't need to be forced to pay for something they already own. I mean come on, thats like buying a house furnished and then have someone come and say you didn't buy the carpet with that.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]

you compare that to like guild wars what a rep off!!! for a low end game lol
blackdreamhunk

Guild Wars is a great value. I never compared MGS4/MGO to any PC game. Stop being such a fanboy.

how sad

Nice job insulting me for having a resonable explanation for why MGO isn't a rip off. Especially compared to what we would have initially paid if it were a separate game.

I have more respect for Konami for adding the starter pack. If I want to I can either keep the starter pack, or just purchase the d/l content. I see nothing wrong with this, as I would have bought the stand alone game initially. It's a win/win situation. For $60 we get the the game as well as the online component with the option to expand it.

Yes when compared Guild Wars, the online value isn't the same. It's a different genre, platform, and market. I'm a Guild Wars fan, and I have it on PC. One day it could possibly come to the PS3. Then PS3 owners will see what a great game and value it is.

if the game devs of mg respected their fans maybe they should have made their game cost effective guess not huh.....blackdreamhunk

That's the reason they put it together in the first place. It's more cost effective for the consumers, than they originally planned. But considering the trmendous sales, I'm sure they made what they would have lost back.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]

you compare that to like guild wars what a rep off!!! for a low end game lol
TREAL_Since

Guild Wars is a great value. I never compared MGS4/MGO to any PC game. Stop being such a fanboy.

how sad

Nice job insulting me for having a resonable explanation for why MGO isn't a rip off. Especially compared to what we would have initially paid if it were a separate game.

I have more respect for Konami for adding the starter pack. If I want to I can either keep the starter pack, or just purchase the d/l content. I see nothing wrong with this, as I would have bought the stand alone game initially. It's a win/win situation. For $60 we get the the game as well as the online component with the option to expand it.

Yes when compared Guild Wars, the online value isn't the same. It's a different genre, platform, and market. I'm a Guild Wars fan, and I have it on PC. One day it could possibly come to the PS3. Then PS3 owners will see what a great game and value it is.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]

you compare that to like guild wars what a rep off!!! for a low end game lol
TREAL_Since

Guild Wars is a great value. I never compared MGS4/MGO to any PC game. Stop being such a fanboy.

how sad

Nice job insulting me for having a resonable explanation for why MGO isn't a rip off. Especially compared to what we would have initially paid if it were a separate game.

I have more respect for Konami for adding the starter pack. If I want to I can either keep the starter pack, or just purchase the d/l content. I see nothing wrong with this, as I would have bought the stand alone game initially. It's a win/win situation. For $60 we get the the game as well as the online component with the option to expand it.

Yes when compared Guild Wars, the online value isn't the same. It's a different genre, platform, and market. I'm a Guild Wars fan, and I have it on PC. One day it could possibly come to the PS3. Then PS3 owners will see what a great game and value it is.

now let compare aoc to mgo which one has better value lol

lets comapre that final fantasy online game

I'm pretty dc mmo is not going to do that too. lol

I feel that your game dev doesn't respect your fans by the way he's teating his or her fan base.

A few things...

1. Does MGO actually come on the MGS4 game disc or is it a seperate purchase?

2. Are there a good sum of people playing online?

3. Is ther a lot of lag?

Kind in mind that to game online is FREE... BUT having said that, you get what you pay for.. I love customizing my characters so I'd be slightly peev'd at this. However it's still free to play online..

OhSnapitz

I think the biggest scam is that konami have successfully taken a multiplayer mode and made people think they are getting a separate game for FREE! It's like releasing halo 3, including a special "halo online" game for free!

The game is already $59.99 US. People don't need to be forced to pay for something they already own. I mean come on, thats like buying a house furnished and then have someone come and say you didn't buy the carpet with that.

MadExponent

Was it announced by Konami that the remaining content is already on the disc? Honestly, with a feature rich disc like MG4 it won't bother me to unlock the remaining components.

It's not like Konami initially planned for all of this content to be on the disc only to lock it later and make more money. They added the content to save us money. If you want to pay for any future MGO packs (and in-turn, unlock them if this is the case) then it'll just be like downloading it (but actually saving HDD space).

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

Nice job insulting me for having a resonable explanation for why MGO isn't a rip off. Especially compared to what we would have initially paid if it were a separate game.

I have more respect for Konami for adding the starter pack. If I want to I can either keep the starter pack, or just purchase the d/l content. I see nothing wrong with this, as I would have bought the stand alone game initially. It's a win/win situation. For $60 we get the the game as well as the online component with the option to expand it.

Yes when compared Guild Wars, the online value isn't the same. It's a different genre, platform, and market. I'm a Guild Wars fan, and I have it on PC. One day it could possibly come to the PS3. Then PS3 owners will see what a great game and value it is.

blackdreamhunk

now let compare aoc to mgo which one has better value lol

lets comapre that final fantasy online game

I'm pretty dc mmo is not going to do that too. lol

I feel that your game dev doesn't respect your fans by the way he's teating his or her fan base.

:|. Try reading my post again, then respond...

I do agree that MGO is a massive rip-off. The whole one character per PS3 is ridiculous. My friend couldn't even make a character on HIS own account because i'd already made on on my account. He had to go home and make a character on his PS3 before he could play MGO at my house...

That being said, i love the game!

Everything about MGO just screams don't play me.

The signup process completely turnrd me off to the game. That and the fact that PSN is a perfectly good place to run MGO from and they decided not to use it. Extra logins! Just what I need. Konami can go to hell. And it would'nt be so bad if the process wasn't like filling out a god damn job application.

[QUOTE="viper1991"][QUOTE="supras989"]

lol stop fussing, if you can't afford it don't do it, hideo and the team over at konami poured alot of effort into this game and i have no problem at all in giving them A LITTLE MONEY FOR THEIR EFFORT!, BE GLAD that you don't have to pay for the playstation network like xbox users have to pay for live, god it amazes me at what some people complain about these days, calling it a scam, that is preposterous

reminds of the people that complain about toll booths

sam280992

I wouldn't mind it so much if i hadn't already payed $120 for the game.

Now how the hell did it cost $120 don't games over America cost about $60? :?

I'm in Australia. I think we might be getting ripped off slightly :P

Let me start this off by saying that I love the gameplay of MGO. I enjoyed the first one and I love this one even better.

But gameplay aside, Konami is ripping us off with MGO. The set up is a perfect example of why a non universal online structure isn't always good. Anybody that plays MGO, has a PSN name, a Konami ID, a Game ID, and a Character Name...:|

Why would Konami make us go through all of this you may ask? Well it's because they want to nickle and dime us like we've never seen before. I LOL'd at the screen when my little brother called me into the room and asked me what was up with the game saying that you can only register 1 MGO character for free PER SYSTEM. I was in shock really, because WHY in the hell would they make it like that? Obviously they KNOW people have siblings who may also play the same game on the same system, it's completely ridiculous that I have to pay for additional accounts to play a game because it's not made to coincide with PSN.

Then you get to the MGO Store and you see a Codec Pack for 4.99. Hmm that's prolly cool, but I passed. Comes to find out from people who bought that Codec Pack said that there wasn't even a download for the file. Hmm interesting... So they put DLC on their Store, yet people buy it and there's no downloading going on? Oh wait, that's because the Codec Pack was already on the DISC! Charging people to "unlock" stuff that's already on a disc is simply unacceptable. Makes me wonder what more is on the disc that we don't know about.

To further this point, I know MGS4 fans have followed all the news dropping about the game months prior to it's release. I'm sure you guys have seen maps in screenshots and in trailers for MGO that are mysteriously NOT in the game. Or what about the special characters that Konami said would be playable in the game, where are they? I thought downloadable content was brought into existence for devs to improve things and come up with new maps etc. and then release them to the public. Not have pre-made items ready BEFORE the release of the game simply to charge us later on for them.

Fanboys will say, "Bu but it's only a Starter Pack", no that's what Konami wants you to think. And after thinking about all of this and finding out that they charged us for stuff that's actually on the disc I see why a 50gig dual layered disc was needed for this game. To scam the fans like this.

GoldenGlove

There's a flaw in your argument about paying for things that are already on the disk. How exactly do you know that the Codec Pack is already on there? You say people buy it, and there is no downloading, so it must have already been included. I think it is far more likely that it was included in the version update download that is mandatory before you can sign in to the game. Likewise for any additional maps orextra content that comes out later: there will probably be a (mandatory) version update, after which you can 'buy' the extra content to unlock it. I seriously doubt that they planned ahead and made any future dlc, included it on the original disc, and then set up some conspiracy to release it a little bit at a time making you pay to unlock content that was on the disc to begin with.

As for the extra characters. Seriously, paying a small one-time fee to have extra character slots is not the huge deal you are making it. Compare this to having to have seperate LIVE accounts to play seperate characters online...

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]This is honestly one of the most horrible things I've ever heard (No sarcasm), this is total bull that you have to pay for crap that's already on the disk, also you need to pay to make more then one character?!?!? What is this a MMO?!?!GoldenGlove

Yes, this is 100% true. On top of this, when you make your character, whatever clothes you put on him you better REALLY REALLY like them because you won't be able to change them or change the color of them. You can only remove items like hats and goggles and armor. But as far as putting on different stuff you can't. You would have to buy a whole different account just to change clothing.

Hahaha!

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]This is honestly one of the most horrible things I've ever heard (No sarcasm), this is total bull that you have to pay for crap that's already on the disk, also you need to pay to make more then one character?!?!? What is this a MMO?!?!GoldenGlove

I still don't understand why someone would want to make more then one character..

*shrug* at least we didn't have to pay to play the basic online (yea, I'm looking at you XBL :P)

I have 2 younger brothers. In order for them to play on the same PS3 that I set up my character on they would have to pay for there character.

MGO only allows 1 FREE character per PS3. So if you had brothers who wanted to play MGO on their own account they couldn't unless they paid for it. Oh and they don't let you buy 1 account you have to buy atleast 3 and that costs 6.99.

AAAHAHAHAHA!!

Really, this is epic. Utterly ridiculous. I'm glad MGO didn't click with me or I'd be pissed rather than laughing about it.

lol stop fussing, if you can't afford it don't do it, hideo and the team over at konami poured alot of effort into this game and i have no problem at all in giving them A LITTLE MONEY FOR THEIR EFFORT!, BE GLAD that you don't have to pay for the playstation network like xbox users have to pay for live, god it amazes me at what some people complain about these days, calling it a scam, that is preposterous

reminds of the people that complain about toll booths

supras989

Are you serious? I'm pretty sure I can afford this, it's the simple fact that they are charging for stuff that's already on the disc. What makes you think that there isn't more stuff already on the disc?

I disagree with you for the sole reason that it comes with Metal Gear Solid 4 for free, MGS4 is worth the price you pay on its own. The online is a nice extra feature, but to be honest I rarely use it, I'm too busy repeating single player. If the online mode was on a seperate disk that you pay extra for, then I would definitely agree on it being a scam. I suppose I understand how people who play online a lot can feel ripped off. But then, didn't Konami say this was just a starter pack?Asim90

You my friend are drinking the Konami Kool-Aid.

MGS4 is a stealth/shooting game. Think of shooting games... when has a shooting game came out this generation without multiplayer? It's a STANDARD. The reason why they said it's only a Starter Pack is for people to not say anything about the nickel and diming that they will put on us. MGS3 and MGS:PO both have multiplayer, why would you expect MGS4 not to? It's a scam, don't fall victim to this BS.

wow... that really sucks.

yes, there are minor flaws, but this is nowhere near being anything to actually complain about. it's konami's first major online game, and they've done pretty well with it so far.

mistervengeance

From a gameplay standpoint yes they've done well...

But from a structure standpoint HELL NO. How can you say having 4 different ID's and names is good? How can you say allowing 1 person to play MGO for free on one PS3 is good when EVERY other PS3 game simply allows people to sign there PSN name and play as they choose. THese aren't minor flaws, selling stuff that already on the disc, and holding back maps that were DONE months ago are MAJOR flaws. Don't get me wrong, I love MGO, I've put more then 50 hours into the multiplayer, but Konami is ripping us off and it's blatant.

People, you have to understand that MGO and MGS4 were originally planned to be two separate games. Since both were scheduled to release around the same time, they decided to put them together.

This is actually saving us some money if you ask me. Originally we would have paid more for MGO. They need to make up the money lost (if these two were sold separately) some how with the micro transactions.

TREAL_Since

People have to realize that it's STANDARD that a shooting game is to have multiplayer. And the fact that they would even think to package this game separately is just further proof in their intent to milk their fans. EVER SINGLE shooting game has a multiplayer, why would Konami even think of this?

Starter Pack is complete BS to convince people that MGO is an "extra" NO!, it should of been expected from the jump.

Nice job insulting me for having a resonable explanation for why MGO isn't a rip off. Especially compared to what we would have initially paid if it were a separate game.

I have more respect for Konami for adding the starter pack. If I want to I can either keep the starter pack, or just purchase the d/l content. I see nothing wrong with this, as I would have bought the stand alone game initially. It's a win/win situation. For $60 we get the the game as well as the online component with the option to expand it.

Yes when compared Guild Wars, the online value isn't the same. It's a different genre, platform, and market. I'm a Guild Wars fan, and I have it on PC. One day it could possibly come to the PS3. Then PS3 owners will see what a great game and value it is.

TREAL_Since

There's no way you can explain this as NOT being a rip off. It's blatant that it's a scam. The fact that it's not coordinated with PSN is proof. How many games on Xbox Live allow devs to do this?

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

A few things...

1. Does MGO actually come on the MGS4 game disc or is it a seperate purchase?

2. Are there a good sum of people playing online?

3. Is ther a lot of lag?

Kind in mind that to game online is FREE... BUT having said that, you get what you pay for.. I love customizing my characters so I'd be slightly peev'd at this. However it's still free to play online..

Ninja-Hippo

I think the biggest scam is that konami have successfully taken a multiplayer mode and made people think they are getting a separate game for FREE! It's like releasing halo 3, including a special "halo online" game for free!

EXACTLY, this is a great post. I'm glad some people aren't blinded by this fact. How could you simply NOT expect MGS4 to have multiplayer when every shooting game has it and MGS3: Subsistance, MGS:P O have it.

Starter Pack is a cop out to rip you off. So people will say, "Well it doesn't have a lot of content but it's only a starter pack" which is BS.

Wow, thats pretty sad on Konami's part. Simply getting online is bad enough. Making a GameID then a KonamiID? I mean come on. MGS4 is a great game, but MGO is anything but that. I already didn't like it that much, but the idea that you buy something and then it unlocks it on the disc is just flat out bad. Other games have tried to do this, even on 360. I think Halo 2 did it, but I can't remember correctly. This is going to come back to Konami and undoubtedly Kojima too.MadExponent

Yeah the online system is atrocious and has to be one of the worst setup's I have ever come across. That's one of the only reasons I really wish it was on the 360 so it would be linked to the rest of XBL rather than some tangent on Konami's site.justforlotr2004

Probably why Konami doesn't care that it's not on Xbox Live because they know that MS wouldn't allow them to do this.

There's a flaw in your argument about paying for things that are already on the disk. How exactly do you know that the Codec Pack is already on there? You say people buy it, and there is no downloading, so it must have already been included. I think it is far more likely that it was included in the version update download that is mandatory before you can sign in to the game. Likewise for any additional maps orextra content that comes out later: there will probably be a (mandatory) version update, after which you can 'buy' the extra content to unlock it. I seriously doubt that they planned ahead and made any future dlc, included it on the original disc, and then set up some conspiracy to release it a little bit at a time making you pay to unlock content that was on the disc to begin with.

As for the extra characters. Seriously, paying a small one-time fee to have extra character slots is not the huge deal you are making it. Compare this to having to have seperate LIVE accounts to play seperate characters online...

ianuilliam

Explain the maps that we've all seen in trailers and screenshots that aren't in the game, and the special characters that Konami said would be in the game? You can't tell me that the special characters aren't already on the disc waiting to be unlocked.

Another game charging for CONTENT ALREADY ON THE DISC? Konami & Kojima have hit a new low, I expect more from them that.

It's pathetic how cows here have kept all of that info swept under the rug. Its unusual how one of the greatest SinglePlayer games of all time is complimented with one of the most underwhelming Multiplayer games to date.

Another game charging for CONTENT ALREADY ON THE DISC? Konami & Kojima have hit a new low, I expect more from them that.

It's pathetic how cows here have kept all of that info swept under the rug. Its unusual how one of the greatest SinglePlayer games of all time is complimented with one of the most underwhelming Multiplayer games to date.

Frexie

Let me start this off by saying that I love the gameplay of MGO. I enjoyed the first one and I love this one even better.

But gameplay aside, Konami is ripping us off with MGO. The set up is a perfect example of why a non universal online structure isn't always good. Anybody that plays MGO, has a PSN name, a Konami ID, a Game ID, and a Character Name...:|

Why would Konami make us go through all of this you may ask? Well it's because they want to nickle and dime us like we've never seen before. I LOL'd at the screen when my little brother called me into the room and asked me what was up with the game saying that you can only register 1 MGO character for free PER SYSTEM. I was in shock really, because WHY in the hell would they make it like that? Obviously they KNOW people have siblings who may also play the same game on the same system, it's completely ridiculous that I have to pay for additional accounts to play a game because it's not made to coincide with PSN.

Then you get to the MGO Store and you see a Codec Pack for 4.99. Hmm that's prolly cool, but I passed. Comes to find out from people who bought that Codec Pack said that there wasn't even a download for the file. Hmm interesting... So they put DLC on their Store, yet people buy it and there's no downloading going on? Oh wait, that's because the Codec Pack was already on the DISC! Charging people to "unlock" stuff that's already on a disc is simply unacceptable. Makes me wonder what more is on the disc that we don't know about.

To further this point, I know MGS4 fans have followed all the news dropping about the game months prior to it's release. I'm sure you guys have seen maps in screenshots and in trailers for MGO that are mysteriously NOT in the game. Or what about the special characters that Konami said would be playable in the game, where are they? I thought downloadable content was brought into existence for devs to improve things and come up with new maps etc. and then release them to the public. Not have pre-made items ready BEFORE the release of the game simply to charge us later on for them.

Fanboys will say, "Bu but it's only a Starter Pack", no that's what Konami wants you to think. And after thinking about all of this and finding out that they charged us for stuff that's actually on the disc I see why a 50gig dual layered disc was needed for this game. To scam the fans like this.

GoldenGlove

PS3 online is free to start with, what's the big deal to pay little extra for additional content ?

How can they have made us pay for mgs4 and mgo seperately, i think the story mode is sh!te but i cant get off the online mode

How can they have made us pay for mgs4 and mgo seperately, i think the story mode is sh!te but i cant get off the online mode

I love MGO, but I agree. Konami is going for some of the biggest milkage I've seen this gen with it.

All I know is I wont be purchasing anything for MGO except map packs... if they are reasonably priced. Kinda crazy how Konami went milkage nuts with MGO.

And this makes XBL marketplace and Live Gold less of a Ripoff? :?