MGS 4 to push the PS3's CPU. Possible bad news for 360 owners wanting a port?

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#1 DaddyDC650
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Kojima recently confessed that he wants to push the Cell to its limits in order to create the gameplay experience that he has envisioned for MGS 4. Could this possibly mean that if a port was ever announced that the 360 version would be downgraded since its CPU is known to be weaker (according to tons of developers) than the Cell?

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Kojima also cryptically hinted that the increased processing grunt of the PS3 would be used not only for better graphics, but for the introduction of "psychological" elements.

"I would also like to challenge the PS3's CPU power for not only what you can see, but also psychological effects, or psychological battles, where it can affect your gameplay," he said.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6168414.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;1

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#2 OfficialJab
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It won't goto 360, god doesn't hate cows THAT much.
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#3 haols
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Even if he says he will push it he wont come close to its limits. It is too early and he has too little experience of the cell. Xbox 360 wont have any trouble running it, unless they take like 2 more years to complete the game for PS3, then it might be a different situation.
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#4 dr-venkman
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As much as I want MGS to reach larger audience. Kojima's MGS is known for pushing a systems capabilities. Metal Gear Solid for PSone did it, and Metal Gear Solid Subsistence for PS2 did it. I have a feeling Kojima is going to use a lot of the extra space that Blu-ray has to offer. This is the last MGS game. Kojima wants to make his baby epic, and like nothing seen before. I think he'll do some crazy stuff with the PS3.
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#5 Mizuke
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I'm sure a workaround could be made to compensate should it go to the 360 (share the love!).
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#6 amourkiss588
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Kojima recently confessed that he wants to push the Cell to its limits in order to create the gameplay experience that he has envisioned for MGS 4. Could this possibly mean that if a port was ever announced that the 360 version would be downgraded since its CPU is known to be weaker (according to tons of developers) than the Cell?

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Kojima also cryptically hinted that the increased processing grunt of the PS3 would be used not only for better graphics, but for the introduction of "psychological" elements.

"I would also like to challenge the PS3's CPU power for not only what you can see, but also psychological effects, or psychological battles, where it can affect your gameplay," he said.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6168414.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;1

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good news

hope it will looks really awesome

and I don't think 360 is a suitable console for it, too :)

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As much as I want MGS to reach larger audience. Kojima's MGS is known for pushing a systems capabilities. Metal Gear Solid for PSone did it, and Metal Gear Solid Subsistence for PS2 did it. I have a feeling Kojima is going to use a lot of the extra space that Blu-ray has to offer. This is the last MGS game. Kojima wants to make his baby epic, and like nothing seen before. I think he'll do some crazy stuff with the PS3. dr-venkman
I heard Kojima got a license so he can add Mario to make a cameo as a communicay in certain scenes, since Snake is put into SSBB.
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#8 Runningflame570
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I'm sure a workaround could be made to compensate should it go to the 360 (share the love!).Mizuke
Probably but it would be extremely problematic. Even just going from 360 with larger processes and breaking them up into smaller processes to send out to the SPEs is difficult enough. Taking these hundreds of SPE processes (many of which are probably much faster to execute on them), recompiling them into larger code and moving them onto the Xenon would definitely have an adverse effect unless you are talking a 3+ year development cycle for the port.
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Kojima recently confessed that he wants to push the Cell to its limits in order to create the gameplay experience that he has envisioned for MGS 4. Could this possibly mean that if a port was ever announced that the 360 version would be downgraded since its CPU is known to be weaker (according to tons of developers) than the Cell?

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Kojima also cryptically hinted that the increased processing grunt of the PS3 would be used not only for better graphics, but for the introduction of "psychological" elements.

"I would also like to challenge the PS3's CPU power for not only what you can see, but also psychological effects, or psychological battles, where it can affect your gameplay," he said.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6168414.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;1

DaddyDC650

 

there it is in one simple sentence. This is the beautiful and also ugly aspect of console exclusives. On one hand present and future ps3 owners (like me) will have a far more enjoyable experience due to kojima's optimization; Whilst 360 users won't experience it at all.

 

360 fanboys can't complain, you guys have got mass effect, fable 2, and alan wake.  

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I'm glad to hear that they are working hard on MGS4, nothing else.
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I'm sure a workaround could be made to compensate should it go to the 360 (share the love!).Mizuke

 

Share the love my ass! 

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#12 def_mode
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I could care less if the games go multiplat, i have both games and will buy the one with more features.

glad to know they are working hard

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#13 Kizzle28
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Kojima recently confessed that he wants to push the Cell to its limits in order to create the gameplay experience that he has envisioned for MGS 4. Could this possibly mean that if a port was ever announced that the 360 version would be downgraded since its CPU is known to be weaker (according to tons of developers) than the Cell?

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Kojima also cryptically hinted that the increased processing grunt of the PS3 would be used not only for better graphics, but for the introduction of "psychological" elements.

"I would also like to challenge the PS3's CPU power for not only what you can see, but also psychological effects, or psychological battles, where it can affect your gameplay," he said.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6168414.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;1

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They always say they will max out the CPU or GPU, but in reality, they won't. Even though the Cell has better floating performance and stuff, it is possible on the 360. Just like Gears of War (in its 360 state) is possible on the PS3 (even though Cliffy says its not). Developers just have to learn each system better, and that only takes time and tinkering with each system.
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Who cares, I like games not interactive movies with bad plots
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#15 DaddyDC650
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[QUOTE="Mizuke"]I'm sure a workaround could be made to compensate should it go to the 360 (share the love!).Runningflame570
Probably but it would be extremely problematic. Even just going from 360 with larger processes and breaking them up into smaller processes to send out to the SPEs is difficult enough. Taking these hundreds of SPE processes (many of which are probably much faster to execute on them), recompiling them into larger code and moving them onto the Xenon would definitely have an adverse effect unless you are talking a 3+ year development cycle for the port.

Very good point you've made. Interesting.
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Isn't the PS3's CPU weaker than the 360's? So technically wouldn't the 360 get the better version if hell froze over and this game came to 360?
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#17 Ontain
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well it's really how the ps3 was pushed. you see the cell only has one general processing unit(ppu). if that is what becomes the bottleneck then it doesn't matter for the 360.
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#18 dimar19
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Kojima recently confessed that he wants to push the Cell to its limits in order to create the gameplay experience that he has envisioned for MGS 4.

DaddyDC650

 X360 CPU normal working regime  = Cell limit

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#19 Wasdie  Moderator
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I dont think it can go to the 360. The game engine has been built from the ground up on the PS3. They would have to re-build the engine on the 360 and that would take way more time and money than they have. Also Kojima will most likely used Blu-Ray to its fullest just with the massive, open-ended world.
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#20 Dm1uciano
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It's already been tested and,

PS3's Cell is WEAKER then 360's Xenon

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#21 Blackbond
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Anything 360 can handle so can PS3 and vice versa. All this stuff you here is just dev hoopla to promote their game as being a unique experience you can only find on that system.
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#22 Viviath
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Isn't the PS3's CPU weaker than the 360's? So technically wouldn't the 360 get the better version if hell froze over and this game came to 360?rocktimusprime
i always thought it was PS3 CPU > X360 CPU; X360 GPU > PS3 GPU ...but dont take my word for it....
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[QUOTE="Mizuke"]I'm sure a workaround could be made to compensate should it go to the 360 (share the love!).miss_kitt3n

 

Share the love my ass!

lmao, dude your signature is awesome :lol: 

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Remember: CPU: PS3 > 360 GPU: 360 > PS3 That is all.
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#25 XiTWoundZ85
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Uhhh, it has been proven time and time again that the Xbox 360 Xenon is flat out stronger than the PS3 Cell, I don't know wtf you are talking about
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^Link too that.....its interesting.......
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#27 akif22
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look at RE4 .. that pushed the GC hardware but it still got ported to the PS2 with a downgrade and anyway, the 360 and PS3 hardware isn't that different in power .. cows just fell for the sony exaggeration and hype
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Remember: CPU: PS3 > 360 GPU: 360 > PS3 That is all.Ezgam3r

3 core processors > 1 core processor

360 > ps3

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#29 DaddyDC650
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I'm sorry but almost every developer that has commented on both the 360 and PS3 have admitted that the PS3 has the more powerful CPU. Even the editor-in-chief of Xbox 360 over @ IGN has confessed to speaking with devs on this subject and guess what? The Cell is indeed more powerful than the 360's CPu. Sorry to let you down lemmings. Btw, 1000th post FTW!!!
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#30 Puckhog04
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If they want it on the 360 it'll end up on the 360. It's much more than capable from a technical standpoint.
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#31 Wasdie  Moderator
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It's already been tested and,

PS3's Cell is WEAKER then 360's Xenon

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Proof. Don't say things like that unless you have something to back it up with.
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#32 Wasdie  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]Remember: CPU: PS3 > 360 GPU: 360 > PS3 That is all.

When Kojima says gameplay he doesnt mean graphics. If his gameplay is soaking up the power of the Cell, then there is no way the 360s CPU can handle it.
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#33 Dire_Weasel
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No one here actually thinks that MGS4 is going to the 360... do they?
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#34 Ezgam3r
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Uhhh, it has been proven time and time again that the Xbox 360 Xenon is flat out stronger than the PS3 Cell, I don't know wtf you are talking aboutXiTWoundZ85

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]Remember: CPU: PS3 > 360 GPU: 360 > PS3 That is all.tango90101

3 core processors > 1 core processor

360 > ps3

Give a valid link or GTFO
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[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]Remember: CPU: PS3 > 360 GPU: 360 > PS3 That is all.tango90101

3 core processors > 1 core processor

360 > ps3

You need to learn the processors before you say stuff like that. What you just said is 100% incorrect when talking about the PS3 and 360.
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#36 tango90101
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No one here actually thinks that MGS4 is going to the 360... do they?Dire_Weasel

noone thought MGS:SoL would be on the xbox either, and yet, there it was....

imo, we don't need it;  Splinter Cell is what MGS should have been....

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#37 DaddyDC650
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No one here actually thinks that MGS4 is going to the 360... do they?Dire_Weasel
Only lemmings. They also would like to believe that the 360's CPU is more powerful than the Cell......... delusional I guess? Anyways, I don't see how they can get a port anytime soon since it's taking about 3 years just to complete MGS 4. I wonder how long it would take to complete a 360 port since it's CPU works differently than the Cell.
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#38 Blackbond
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Anything 360 can handle so can PS3 and vice versa. All this stuff you here is just dev hoopla to promote their game as being a unique experience you can only find on that system.Blackbond

Nobody listens to me :cry:  lol

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#39 tango90101
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[QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]Remember: CPU: PS3 > 360 GPU: 360 > PS3 That is all.Wasdie

3 core processors > 1 core processor

360 > ps3

You need to learn the processors before you say stuff like that. What you just said is 100% incorrect when talking about the PS3 and 360.

i just haven't seen any intelligent arguments how 1 is greater than 3...

just data supplied BY SONY showing theoritical maxims that will never be achieved due to the poor efficiency of the cpu...

bah, i'm sure you already knew that....

believe it if you want, but sony has a way of overinflating their hardware's performance, only to later blame the failure to deliver on "hidden power" or "inexperienced developers"...

 

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#40 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Anything 360 can handle so can PS3 and vice versa. All this stuff you here is just dev hoopla to promote their game as being a unique experience you can only find on that system.Blackbond

Nobody listens to me :cry:  lol

i have noticed a good number of your posts being ignored..i wonder why :roll;
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Its all ready proven PS3 cell is more powerfull thans 360s but people on this board make it seem like its so much more powerfull its only tiny difference, Just like its proven 360s GPU is more powerfull thans PS3s.

360+PS3=same they both can run the games if they wanted to some do better stuff in areas.

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it depends when they come out with the game and who whey work with. If it comes out in 2009 then it will not be able to be ported to Xbox 360 with out huge decrease or build of a new engine. If it comes out end of this year or beggining of next then he will not have pushed the PS3 much.
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#43 DaddyDC650
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I personally believe that the 360 has a GPU that's a tiny bit more powerful than the PS3's GPU. I also believe that the Cell can be a bit more powerful than the 360's CPU if handled correctly. Throw in the fact that developers can use Blu-Ray and the PS3's hard drive and you got a console with the most advantages.
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it depends when they come out with the game and who whey work with. If it comes out in 2009 then it will not be able to be ported to Xbox 360 with out huge decrease or build of a new engine. If it comes out end of this year or beggining of next then he will not have pushed the PS3 much. Ravenlore_basic
Dude, not to be mean or anything but wtf are you talking about? First, the game isn't coming out in 2009. Second, how do you know how much of the PS3's power they are pushing with the game?
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#45 ssbfalco
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While I believe that the 360's CPUs are more efficient when used correctly...

 

If MGS4 stays exclusive to the PS3 that leaves what? 2 anticipated games exclusive to the PS3 left? (Heavenly Sword as well for me, but not for most)

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#46 SergeantSnitch
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I personally believe that the 360 has a GPU that's a tiny bit more powerful than the PS3's GPU. I also believe that the Cell can be a bit more powerful than the 360's CPU if handled correctly. Throw in the fact that developers can use Blu-Ray and the PS3's hard drive and you got a console with the most advantages.DaddyDC650
Yep, reading some of the posts by devs on the Beyond3d forums it's pretty much stated that the 360's GPU outperforms the PS3's in most instances. However, CPU-wise, Cell can leverage the GPU and create one kick ass game.
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#47 SergeantSnitch
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While I believe that the 360's CPUs are more efficient when used correctly...

If MGS4 stays exclusive to the PS3 that leaves what? 2 anticipated games exclusive to the PS3 left? (Heavenly Sword as well for me, but not for most)

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FF13, FF13 VS, MGS4, GT5, Socom 4, God of War 3 are all great games to look forward to.
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#48 ssbfalco
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[QUOTE="ssbfalco"]

While I believe that the 360's CPUs are more efficient when used correctly...

If MGS4 stays exclusive to the PS3 that leaves what? 2 anticipated games exclusive to the PS3 left? (Heavenly Sword as well for me, but not for most)

SergeantSnitch
FF13, FF13 VS, MGS4, GT5, Socom 4, God of War 3 are all great games to look forward to.

Now that I got tired of Final Fantasy, since 12 just gave me a more (am I allowed to say the word that rhymes with part of emotion?) 6 with a slightly wonky battle system, and did not compare with the excellent quality of 6 and 7, and GT5 isn't exactly an OMG awesome game (as I prefer, you know, more interesting games) that leaves MGS, Socom 4 (I'm not that interested in it either, but meh) and GoW3... Not enough to own a console for, and the only run out and make sure you play it game there really is GoW3...
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#49 trasherhead
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It won't goto 360, god doesn't hate cows THAT much.OfficialJab
at times it realy does seem that way... Well no god can stop kratos(or how ever that killing pschos name is spelled)...
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#50 njpj
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PS3's CPU is pretty crazy, for example try running folding at home at a good cpu at home and watch it being beated to death in processing power by PS3s.