MGS2 was Prophetical Genius. Years later re watching the codecs are CHILLING!

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="AlistarHP"] You need to be a pretty big ignorant hater to come into a videogame forum, post in a videogame thread telling someone to read more books and watch more filmes. Not to bright this one. ohthemanatee

I think this is the main reason why so many people praise MGS' stories and the pseudo-philosophy you find in anime... a lot of them don't read books

I don't get whats so confusing about MGS2's storyline. I played this game when I was 13. I thought I pretty much got the storyline down. Correct me if I'm wrong. Forget all the details and whatnot, the main idea of the game was AI imposes control over humans.Ain't that what this whole game was about?So if I got it right when I was 13, its not hard to comprehend nor was a good storyline. With all the passing "genes", "censorship", "free will", and all that crap it still fell down to: AI imposes control over humans. Hence, MGS4 was to take out the AI and put the control back into the human hands.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="AlistarHP"] You need to be a pretty big ignorant hater to come into a videogame forum, post in a videogame thread telling someone to read more books and watch more filmes. Not to bright this one. AlistarHP

he's right though, metal gear solid's plot is terrible, ESPECIALLY metal gear solid 2, the plot twists and the way the story was conveyed was HORRID

the characters... some of them were pretty good, i'll admit I liked the concept behind lady luck, a shame that her story, plot twist and everything else around her was... beyond terrible

You need to be a pretty big ignorant hater to come into a videogame forum, post in a videogame thread telling someone to read more books and watch more filmes. Not to bright this one. AlistarHP

[QUOTE="AlistarHP"]You need to be a pretty big ignorant hater to come into a videogame forum, post in a videogame thread telling someone to read more books and watch more filmes. Not to bright this one. Silverbond

[QUOTE="AlistarHP"]You need to be a pretty big ignorant hater to come into a videogame forum, post in a videogame thread telling someone to read more books and watch more filmes. Not to bright this one. Silverbond

[QUOTE="AlistarHP"]You need to be a pretty big ignorant hater to come into a videogame forum, post in a videogame thread telling someone to read more books and watch more filmes. Not to bright this one. Silverbond

I don't get whats so confusing about MGS2's storyline. I played this game when I was 13. I thought I pretty much got the storyline down. Correct me if I'm wrong. Forget all the details and whatnot, the main idea of the game was AI imposes control over humans.Ain't that what this whole game was about?So if I got it right when I was 13, its not hard to comprehend nor was a good storyline. With all the passing "genes", "censorship", "free will", and all that crap it still fell down to: AI imposes control over humans. Hence, MGS4 was to take out the AI and put the control back into the human hands.

cdragon_88

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="AlistarHP"] "no no no that video game story sucks because I read a book and watched a movie" Dude could you be any more irrelevant to this topic? Are we talking about books or movies? Was that ever adressed or put into the competition here? No, your jsut a hater that needed to come in here and act smart. Instead you look like an ass. "bu bu bu I read books"...AlistarHP

Honestly MGS3 is a good one (by no means the most brain tickling), but it deals with its themes really well, even in its camp glory; particularly its central theme 'what makes a true patriot'.

Want a game that delves into philosophy and concepts you might be interested in (by all means I highly recommend checking it out if you do) - Planescape Torment. Deals with themes like freedom and free will extensively, and offers and huge breadth of choice. However it's not high flying action, and it is wordy.

Games more bam-bam? The first Deus Ex has strong themes, and dives right into conspiracy stuff you might enjoy - as well as offering reald world parallels and a grim future (it's all very cyberpunk), and to a lesser extent Human Revolution.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="AlistarHP"] "no no no that video game story sucks because I read a book and watched a movie" Dude could you be any more irrelevant to this topic? Are we talking about books or movies? Was that ever adressed or put into the competition here? No, your jsut a hater that needed to come in here and act smart. Instead you look like an ass. "bu bu bu I read books"...AlistarHP

Instead of allowing useless information to 'pollute' the world, and instead of letting them decide what is true for you, it is also possible to allow for individuals to order the information to such a degree that they find what they're looking for.
And in the case of truth, to have trustworthy instances and proper direct interaction between citizens and their servants of order (politicians and police) who deliver the complete documentation of their train of thoughts.

[QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

I don't get whats so confusing about MGS2's storyline. I played this game when I was 13. I thought I pretty much got the storyline down. Correct me if I'm wrong. Forget all the details and whatnot, the main idea of the game was AI imposes control over humans.Ain't that what this whole game was about?So if I got it right when I was 13, its not hard to comprehend nor was a good storyline. With all the passing "genes", "censorship", "free will", and all that crap it still fell down to: AI imposes control over humans. Hence, MGS4 was to take out the AI and put the control back into the human hands.

skrat_01

Hence, we humans only know what they want us to know. Meaning they are controlling what we process to make us think and believe what they want us to believe meaning they are controlling us right? ;)

[QUOTE="AlistarHP"][QUOTE="skrat_01"] You missed the " play more games"? 'Hater' No, I'm here to state the obvious - you think MGS is more than it is, which is an easy indicator of a kid who hasn't been exposed to enough media to actually see otherwise. That media includes games. But you didn't catch onto that did you?ohthemanatee

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="AlistarHP"]What games? skrat_01

Though I liked the void... I don't know quite know what to think of it, to me it's a work of art, but not so much for it's story as it is about the feeling that you get from such an alien world

never played Pathologic sadly

I'd also add the legend of Zelda Majora's Mask, the story itself isn't great, but the way it's told... well, it's kind of like the void I guess

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

I don't get whats so confusing about MGS2's storyline. I played this game when I was 13. I thought I pretty much got the storyline down. Correct me if I'm wrong. Forget all the details and whatnot, the main idea of the game was AI imposes control over humans.Ain't that what this whole game was about?So if I got it right when I was 13, its not hard to comprehend nor was a good storyline. With all the passing "genes", "censorship", "free will", and all that crap it still fell down to: AI imposes control over humans. Hence, MGS4 was to take out the AI and put the control back into the human hands.

cdragon_88

Hence, we humans only know what they want us to know. Meaning they are controlling what we process to make us think and believe what they want us to believe meaning they are controlling us right? ;)

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"] I personally would sugest planescape Torment or "I have no mouth and I must scream"

ohthemanatee

Though I liked the void... I don't know quite know what to think of it, to me it's a work of art, but not so much for it's story as it is about the feeling that you get from such an alien world

never played Pathologic sadly

I'd also add the legend of Zelda Majora's Mask, the story itself isn't great, but the way it's told... well, it's kind of like the void I guess

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]I have no mouth really is quite something. The Void is very interesting as well, and so is Pathologic (even if its so badly translated). Even on a more simple level you have Passage and Eversion. It's pretty great how many interesting games there are out there, that do a good job exploring themes.skrat_01

Though I liked the void... I don't know quite know what to think of it, to me it's a work of art, but not so much for it's story as it is about the feeling that you get from such an alien world

never played Pathologic sadly

I'd also add the legend of Zelda Majora's Mask, the story itself isn't great, but the way it's told... well, it's kind of like the void I guess

one question did you understand the void's many endings? I for the life of me could not.

When playing the void I felt like I was watching a painting and the message it was trying to convey was way beyond me :P

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="AlistarHP"]What games? AlistarHP

one question did you understand the void's many endings? I for the life of me could not.

When playing the void I felt like I was watching a painting and the message it was trying to convey was way beyond me :P

ohthemanatee

Bastion dudes, Bastion even though it isn't story heavy, it's really emotional. Bastion was amazing. AlistarHP

I honestly haven't finished it yet - I was playing it unpatched and raw, so stopping the brothers from ruining my harvest was nigh impossible, it all got a bit frustrating. I am curious to find out how it ends though, or finish it - there was so much there that was well, really different and quite interesting. A few things stuck out in meaning, but I could imagine that it might get a bit eastern european artsy.

skrat_01

yep that's the game's biggest drawback I think

and really, the endings are very disappointing, just a heads up

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]one question did you understand the void's many endings? I for the life of me could not.

When playing the void I felt like I was watching a painting and the message it was trying to convey was way beyond me :P

skrat_01

Bastion dudes, Bastion even though it isn't story heavy, it's really emotional. Bastion was amazing. AlistarHP

Don't forget to finish it, it's one of the veyr few games I truly recognize as art, that ending, was just... Won't speak anymore of it so I don't spoil it. But even then, it's a different beast to MGS, it's like not even comparable. AlistarHP

you played The void? Now i'm surprised

Don't forget to finish it, it's one of the veyr few games I truly recognize as art, that ending, was just... Won't speak anymore of it so I don't spoil it. But even then, it's a different beast to MGS, it's like not even comparable. AlistarHP

yep that's the game's biggest drawback I think

and really, the endings are very disappointing, just a heads up

ohthemanatee

It wasn't any near as convoluted and poorly written as MGS4:

E.g. Eva explaining MGS3'S entire plot in Act 3, god that was horrible.

Still, the last hour of MGS2 dragged on for way too long.

Stringerboy

Eva's change of role in MGS3 really was a bit much; they turned her from the femme fatale into that, without battering an eyelid, hurm.

MGS4 was just well, wow. I don't think calling it a mess does it justice, or unfocused. It was just, arg. I really wish it was more of a character study of Snake as it was implied in all those trailers well before release. Ah well.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"] I am sorry, but a TRUE MGS fan loves MGS for the gameplay not the story, you are in fact a fake MGS fan. I am willing to believe that you have not played MGS 4 to see gameplay perfection and/or have an IQ in the double digits. Giancar

Nope, please go away from this forum, MGS has a brilliant history with pieces filling every hole. the gameplay was basic as much, level design? its terrible, specially MGS2 which had the worst level design ever. lenght? they are all really short, MGS4 can be easily beaten in 4-5 hours. MGS shines because of its history really, the gameplay is not bad, but IT IS basic.lightleggy

Nanomachines!Nanomachines!Nanomachines!Nanomachines!

I always feel awkward because I feel 4 > 2 > 3 > 1 :(. Lethalhazard

Reviews AND sales could tell you that.Mozelleple112

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]Reviews AND sales could tell you that.skrat_01

the perfect example: Citizen Kane

Then: Criticized by the critics and it did poorly on the box office

Now: Considered to be the best movie of all time by many critics and it's often referred as the movie that established modern film making

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"]I always feel awkward because I feel 4 > 2 > 3 > 1 :(. Mozelleple112

If we are judging quality by reviews and sales (which is dumb) then MGS2 comes out the clear winner with a 96 @ MC and 7 million sales on the SOL PS2 release alone. That places it a good 2/2.5 million ahead of MGS4. If we add the Substance release on PS2/Xbox/PC the difference only increases.

Seeing as you are a guy that can not form your own opinions, I'm actually curious to see if this changes your perception lol.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]Reviews AND sales could tell you that.skrat_01

Go back to /v/.

Come onMozelleple112, reviews and sales are in favor MGS2, what say you?

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="Lethalhazard"]I always feel awkward because I feel 4 > 2 > 3 > 1 :(. Wiimotefan

If we are judging quality by reviews and sales (which is dumb) then MGS2 comes out the clear winner with a 96 @ MC and 7 million sales on the SOL PS2 release alone. That places it a good 2/2.5 million ahead of MGS4. If we add the Substance release on PS2/Xbox/PC the difference only increases.

Seeing as you are a guy that can not form your own opinions, I'm actually curious to see if this changes your perception lol.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] Don't be. MGS4 is certainly the best. Reviews AND sales could tell you that.tagyhag

If we are judging quality by reviews and sales (which is dumb) then MGS2 comes out the clear winner with a 96 @ MC and 7 million sales on the SOL PS2 release alone. That places it a good 2/2.5 million ahead of MGS4. If we add the Substance release on PS2/Xbox/PC the difference only increases.

Seeing as you are a guy that can not form your own opinions, I'm actually curious to see if this changes your perception lol.

Funny thing is, you just gave him his only (weak) argument... Unless he pulls "this is GS and we go by GS scorzz!!11!"

To be honest, Snake just pissed me off. I understand that they were trying to convey an old man stuggling to stay alive, but it just didn't work.

Probably because he has zero character development.

Stringerboy

Pretty much, though they didn't do that struggle well - regarding his age (especially mechanically) there wasn't anything truly explored, and spent more time trying to up the next moment with either fanservice or something 'epic' then a tale of a struggling veteran soldier - who was on his last mission before offing himself. But no, whoop.

the perfect example: Citizen Kane

Then: Criticized by the critics and it did poorly on the box office

Now: Considered to be the best movie of all time by many critics and it's often referred as the movie that established modern film making

ohthemanatee

Go back to /v/.

BigBoss154

Metal Gear Solid 2, oh man, what an awesome game. You go Kojima, you sure are a genius. MGS2, oh wow.

I wouldn't consider a couple settling their problems over a codec link prophetical.

[QUOTE="AlistarHP"]You need to be a pretty big ignorant hater to come into a videogame forum, post in a videogame thread telling someone to read more books and watch more filmes. Not to bright this one. Silverbond

SW never made sense.

Like the vast majority of sensible people said in the MGS4 bash thread no Kojima is not a genius and yes the stories he tells are rubbish and only the most hardened fanboy would say other wise, not to mention the fact that MGS 2 is the worst of the bunch