MGS4 = Crapnum Opus Delux

[QUOTE="JetB1ackNewYear"]Ill agree the mgs has always had a cool sweet story line but the grahpics are pretty bad but will hope the story line makes up for itWeMakinBacon

do whut?! the graphics have always been good

Seriously, the graphics are bad?

The hell, game looks good to me. I don't get where everyone is getting this "the graphics (textures whatever you people say) are bad" things.

I think Crysis has spoiled everyone (for those who could play it)

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

More specifically I was talking about Kojima's stlyistic approach in general. Im sorry no combat situation would merit 5 soldiers bent down in a spiderman pose and then all of them drawing their weapons in the air behind their backs while still in a Spider-Man pose. Can you tell me what circumstance would lead a real soldier to do anything remotely like this? I just laughed when i watched it. The thing that makes it funnier is that the game is trying to so hard to be serious. Crapjima only made one good game and that was MGS1.

L1qu1dSword

That wasn't a combat situation, that was the insertion to the area, which at that moment, was not seeing any combat.

Do you honestly think you deserve a mature discussion when you resort to mindless phrases like "Crapjima"? Do you honestly think that is witty, useful, or legitamate?

not seeing any combat then why draw weapons? i think you just painted yourself in a corner.

and I think you are being dense. they drew their weapons so they would have them out when they do engage in combat. they have to draw them at some point.

[QUOTE="WeMakinBacon"]

[QUOTE="JetB1ackNewYear"]Ill agree the mgs has always had a cool sweet story line but the grahpics are pretty bad but will hope the story line makes up for ithayato_

do whut?! the graphics have always been good

Seriously, the graphics are bad?

The hell, game looks good to me. I don't get where everyone is getting this "the graphics (textures whatever you people say) are bad" things.

I think Crysis has spoiled everyone (for those who could play it)

gears of war scored higher than any PS3 game to date yet you look down on it

fanboy

Kirlok

Review scores are subjective. Personally I enjoyed Dead Rising and Halo 3 much more than Gears of War.

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its funny how some people have to trash other peoples taste in games to make them feel better about themselves.WeMakinBacon

Its funny how some people will dismiss an honest observation as the product of fanboy vitriol and nothing else to make themselves feel better.

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

More specifically I was talking about Kojima's stlyistic approach in general. Im sorry no combat situation would merit 5 soldiers bent down in a spiderman pose and then all of them drawing their weapons in the air behind their backs while still in a Spider-Man pose. Can you tell me what circumstance would lead a real soldier to do anything remotely like this? I just laughed when i watched it. The thing that makes it funnier is that the game is trying to so hard to be serious. Crapjima only made one good game and that was MGS1.

Mordred19

That wasn't a combat situation, that was the insertion to the area, which at that moment, was not seeing any combat.

Do you honestly think you deserve a mature discussion when you resort to mindless phrases like "Crapjima"? Do you honestly think that is witty, useful, or legitamate?

not seeing any combat then why draw weapons? i think you just painted yourself in a corner.

and I think you are being dense. they drew their weapons so they would have them out when they do engage in combat. they have to draw them at some point.

and of course the most practical way of doing that is to be pose like spider-man and raise the weapon in the air behind one's back. dude face it they are posing for the camera. stop trying to pretend there are actually practical reasons for this crap because its all a "stylistic" flair and nothing else. thats not allways a bad thing but here its just plain dumb and this series does crap like that all the time.

[QUOTE="Lo_Rising"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

Is it just me or is MGS4 looking not that impressive graphically. I know the inevitable graphics are not everything response but I just expected more from our friendly neighborhood "super computer" especially when this is the most hyped title from the "year of the PS3." Something tells me GOTY is gonna be GTA4 and MGS4 will be overshadowed by many many better games like Fable2, NG2, Gears 2.....heck even Resistance 2.

Gotta say one big gripe I also have with the game besides the gameplay vids looking like GRAW1 and the horrible comic book-esque storytelling with laughably convoluted plotlines is just the seriousness of the game that is contrasted by constant silliness. Take the video where you see some enemy squad running and flipping like ninja's. They land crouched and draw weapons holding them in the air behind their backs. For me Kojima's stylistic approach is so over the top its just rediculus. Any squad in a stance like that would got shot in a second. Who holds a weapon like that. Looks like they are posing for hero shots not fighting. What a freaking lame game.

Kirlok

why? you sound like a jealous fanboy. gears of war are you kidding, (convoluted) ohh yeah i believe the mole men on steroids are gonna take over the world. grow up fanboy.

gears of war scored higher than any PS3 game to date yet you look down on it

fanboy

Does GTA4 not exist? I assume you mean exclusives, right? :)

[QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

More specifically I was talking about Kojima's stlyistic approach in general. Im sorry no combat situation would merit 5 soldiers bent down in a spiderman pose and then all of them drawing their weapons in the air behind their backs while still in a Spider-Man pose. Can you tell me what circumstance would lead a real soldier to do anything remotely like this? I just laughed when i watched it. The thing that makes it funnier is that the game is trying to so hard to be serious. Crapjima only made one good game and that was MGS1.

L1qu1dSword

That wasn't a combat situation, that was the insertion to the area, which at that moment, was not seeing any combat.

Do you honestly think you deserve a mature discussion when you resort to mindless phrases like "Crapjima"? Do you honestly think that is witty, useful, or legitamate?

not seeing any combat then why draw weapons? i think you just painted yourself in a corner.

and I think you are being dense. they drew their weapons so they would have them out when they do engage in combat. they have to draw them at some point.

and of course the most practical way of doing that is to be pose like spider-man and raise the weapon in the air behind one's back. dude face it they are posing for the camera. stop trying to pretend there are actually practical reasons for this crap because its all a "stylistic" flair and nothing else. thats not allways a bad thing but here its just plain dumb and this series does crap like that all the time.

I didn't say it was practical or realistic. I said there was nothing wrong with it. you simply have a problem with such a small detail. you can drop this now.

[QUOTE="hayato_"][QUOTE="WeMakinBacon"]

[QUOTE="JetB1ackNewYear"]Ill agree the mgs has always had a cool sweet story line but the grahpics are pretty bad but will hope the story line makes up for itMacaroniMoses

do whut?! the graphics have always been good

Seriously, the graphics are bad?

The hell, game looks good to me. I don't get where everyone is getting this "the graphics (textures whatever you people say) are bad" things.

I think Crysis has spoiled everyone (for those who could play it)

As a topic side note, the story of MGS has always been off the wall, and at times incoherent. It doesn't ever stop it from being an excellent game, however.

[QUOTE="WeMakinBacon"]

[QUOTE="JetB1ackNewYear"]Ill agree the mgs has always had a cool sweet story line but the grahpics are pretty bad but will hope the story line makes up for ithayato_

do whut?! the graphics have always been good

Seriously, the graphics are bad?

The hell, game looks good to me. I don't get where everyone is getting this "the graphics (textures whatever you people say) are bad" things.

I think Crysis has spoiled everyone (for those who could play it)

The graphics aren't bad. But you know system wars. Once people say something it gets repeated no matter how untrue it is.

Its like Politics

[QUOTE="MacaroniMoses"][QUOTE="hayato_"][QUOTE="WeMakinBacon"]

[QUOTE="JetB1ackNewYear"]Ill agree the mgs has always had a cool sweet story line but the grahpics are pretty bad but will hope the story line makes up for itdru26

do whut?! the graphics have always been good

Seriously, the graphics are bad?

The hell, game looks good to me. I don't get where everyone is getting this "the graphics (textures whatever you people say) are bad" things.

I think Crysis has spoiled everyone (for those who could play it)

As a topic side note, the story of MGS has always been off the wall, and at times incoherent. It doesn't ever stop it from being an excellent game, however.

I saw gameplay vid on youtube and for a second i seriously thought it was GRAW1 and someone was just joking. Then I realized no this was MGS4.

people always try to ignore it but Kojima clearly has had a habit of overhyping his work since his promotion of MGS2

so dont be surprised when MGS4 is no where near as ground breaking as promised

people always try to ignore it but Kojima clearly has had a habit of overhyping his work since his promotion of MGS2

so dont be surprised when MGS4 is no where near as ground breaking as promised

audioaxes

he didn't promise anything. he's been busy working on the game, and sometimes, he has spoken about it in interviews. that's it.

If he had said something like "This is the world's best action game on the world's best hardware", then you would have a point.

people always try to ignore it but Kojima clearly has had a habit of overhyping his work since his promotion of MGS2

so dont be surprised when MGS4 is no where near as ground breaking as promised

audioaxes

i dont really know why anyone would expect groundbreaking. you know what youre getting with mgs games, its like the zelda series it has a following and none of the following games in either series have really been groundbreaking since their introduction to ps1/n64.

the graphics are okay, they're good enough for me.

heck, a great game like gta4, which scored a prime here, doesn't even have that good graphics.

if you don't understand the plotline, that's okay. there are games for people like you, such as halo and gears of war.

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

Is it just me or is MGS4 looking not that impressive graphically. I know the inevitable graphics are not everything response but I just expected more from our friendly neighborhood "super computer" especially when this is the most hyped title from the "year of the PS3." Something tells me GOTY is gonna be GTA4 and MGS4 will be overshadowed by many many better games like Fable2, NG2, Gears 2.....heck even Resistance 2.

Gotta say one big gripe I also have with the game besides the gameplay vids looking like GRAW1 and the horrible comic book-esque storytelling with laughably convoluted plotlines is just the seriousness of the game that is contrasted by constant silliness. Take the video where you see some enemy squad running and flipping like ninja's. They land crouched and draw weapons holding them in the air behind their backs. For me Kojima's stylistic approach is so over the top its just rediculus. Any squad in a stance like that would got shot in a second. Who holds a weapon like that. Looks like they are posing for hero shots not fighting. What a freaking lame game.

Lo_Rising

why? you sound like a jealous fanboy. gears of war are you kidding, (convoluted) ohh yeah i believe the mole men on steroids are gonna take over the world. grow up fanboy.

Yeah thinking Gears of War 2 will be a good game is just retarded. -_- He totally needs to grow up.... Talk about being a fanboy.

[QUOTE="Kirlok"]

gears of war scored higher than any PS3 game to date yet you look down on it

fanboy

thrones

Review scores are subjective. Personally I enjoyed Dead Rising and Halo 3 much more than Gears of War.

then there is no point at posting in SW since every dam opinion is subjective

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="Kirlok"]

gears of war scored higher than any PS3 game to date yet you look down on it

fanboy

Kirlok

Review scores are subjective. Personally I enjoyed Dead Rising and Halo 3 much more than Gears of War.

then there is no point at posting in SW since every dam opinion is subjective

Except mine. And yours. And his. And that guy's over there. And the person standing in the corner-no wait, that's just a fake tree.

I honestly don't care about review scores all that much... just informs me about how well a game has done or if I should be interested in it. What I'm doing in SW I have no idea. :? It is what SW is though, fighting about review scores and graphics and bad press.

[QUOTE="Lo_Rising"][QUOTE="Kirlok"][QUOTE="Lo_Rising"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

Is it just me or is MGS4 looking not that impressive graphically. I know the inevitable graphics are not everything response but I just expected more from our friendly neighborhood "super computer" especially when this is the most hyped title from the "year of the PS3." Something tells me GOTY is gonna be GTA4 and MGS4 will be overshadowed by many many better games like Fable2, NG2, Gears 2.....heck even Resistance 2.

Gotta say one big gripe I also have with the game besides the gameplay vids looking like GRAW1 and the horrible comic book-esque storytelling with laughably convoluted plotlines is just the seriousness of the game that is contrasted by constant silliness. Take the video where you see some enemy squad running and flipping like ninja's. They land crouched and draw weapons holding them in the air behind their backs. For me Kojima's stylistic approach is so over the top its just rediculus. Any squad in a stance like that would got shot in a second. Who holds a weapon like that. Looks like they are posing for hero shots not fighting. What a freaking lame game.

Nedemis

why? you sound like a jealous fanboy. gears of war are you kidding, (convoluted) ohh yeah i believe the mole men on steroids are gonna take over the world. grow up fanboy.

gears of war scored higher than any PS3 game to date yet you look down on it

fanboy

did not look down, only commented on the part of convoluted story, if you could read you would have read that.

do you even know what convoluted means? Obviously you don't seeing how you're stating that GeoW's plot was convoluted. GeoW plot made sense and didn't change drastically as the MGS series does time and time again. In fact, GeoW story was brilliantly written and flowed far better then most movies these days.

Gears of War had a story?:shock:

nice going denying the fact, you can say scored dont matter, but the daythe ps3 gets an AAAe you cows are gona go crazy.

but if fooling ur self makes you happy, go for it

Kirlok

:lol: since when did i become a cow? Was the fact that i can see a great game from a great developer making you cry? Haven't you got some "KZ2 needs more colour" threads to be trolling?

I can see why people think Kojima's storytelling is 'silly' but I think that is just one side of it. Yes, one of the bosses in MGS2 is a fat bomb expert on rollerskates, but the build up to him is amazing. Working with Stillman to defuse the bombs, only to have him fall for a boobytrap set up by Fatman... It got me emotionally involved and gave me a connection with Fatman so I could look over the sillyness.

However, I'd consider MGS3 to be a lot weaker than 2 because you know very little about the bosses the connection just isn't there. A guy who fires bee's at you? Seriously? But still, the areas which Kojima excels are Philosophy and popular culture references. If that's not for you and all you see is a guy firing bee's at you, then Kojima probably isn't for you.

I lulz at the TV of this thread, blind hate for no reason it seems.

"Teh soldiers drew there weapons stylish like it breakz the lawz of life!"

...Dude it's a video game, seriously think about it...if everything was real and unstylized games would be boring. Wether or not you think it's cool to pose like spiderman is your opinion not fact, alot of people like to see this type of flare and gives the characters more depth than just those soldiers that infiltrated the base...it's a game, games run on Style and substance, real life is over rated thats why we play in a fake, created world.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="Lo_Rising"][QUOTE="Kirlok"][QUOTE="Lo_Rising"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

Is it just me or is MGS4 looking not that impressive graphically. I know the inevitable graphics are not everything response but I just expected more from our friendly neighborhood "super computer" especially when this is the most hyped title from the "year of the PS3." Something tells me GOTY is gonna be GTA4 and MGS4 will be overshadowed by many many better games like Fable2, NG2, Gears 2.....heck even Resistance 2.

Gotta say one big gripe I also have with the game besides the gameplay vids looking like GRAW1 and the horrible comic book-esque storytelling with laughably convoluted plotlines is just the seriousness of the game that is contrasted by constant silliness. Take the video where you see some enemy squad running and flipping like ninja's. They land crouched and draw weapons holding them in the air behind their backs. For me Kojima's stylistic approach is so over the top its just rediculus. Any squad in a stance like that would got shot in a second. Who holds a weapon like that. Looks like they are posing for hero shots not fighting. What a freaking lame game.

sakura_Ex

why? you sound like a jealous fanboy. gears of war are you kidding, (convoluted) ohh yeah i believe the mole men on steroids are gonna take over the world. grow up fanboy.

gears of war scored higher than any PS3 game to date yet you look down on it

fanboy

did not look down, only commented on the part of convoluted story, if you could read you would have read that.

do you even know what convoluted means? Obviously you don't seeing how you're stating that GeoW's plot was convoluted. GeoW plot made sense and didn't change drastically as the MGS series does time and time again. In fact, GeoW story was brilliantly written and flowed far better then most movies these days.

Gears of War had a story?:shock:

"shoot and save the earth, this is original!"

I lulz at the TV of this thread, blind hate for no reason it seems.

"Teh soldiers drew there weapons stylish like it breakz the lawz of life!"

...Dude it's a video game, seriously think about it...if everything was real and unstylized games would be boring. Wether or not you think it's cool to pose like spiderman is your opinion not fact, alot of people like to see this type of flare and gives the characters more depth than just those soldiers that infiltrated the base...it's a game, games run on Style and substance, real life is over rated thats why we play in a fake, created world.

Jynxzor

it's not like there were actual consequences for their fancy gun drawing. if they'd done their little pose under heavy fire after jumping out of a shot-up helicopter in an open field, that would probably be a reason to complain. as it stands now... pathetic nitpicking.

[QUOTE="Lo_Rising"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

Is it just me or is MGS4 looking not that impressive graphically. I know the inevitable graphics are not everything response but I just expected more from our friendly neighborhood "super computer" especially when this is the most hyped title from the "year of the PS3." Something tells me GOTY is gonna be GTA4 and MGS4 will be overshadowed by many many better games like Fable2, NG2, Gears 2.....heck even Resistance 2.

Gotta say one big gripe I also have with the game besides the gameplay vids looking like GRAW1 and the horrible comic book-esque storytelling with laughably convoluted plotlines is just the seriousness of the game that is contrasted by constant silliness. Take the video where you see some enemy squad running and flipping like ninja's. They land crouched and draw weapons holding them in the air behind their backs. For me Kojima's stylistic approach is so over the top its just rediculus. Any squad in a stance like that would got shot in a second. Who holds a weapon like that. Looks like they are posing for hero shots not fighting. What a freaking lame game.

Kirlok

why? you sound like a jealous fanboy. gears of war are you kidding, (convoluted) ohh yeah i believe the mole men on steroids are gonna take over the world. grow up fanboy.

gears of war scored higher than any PS3 game to date yet you look down on it

fanboy

Gears 1 got a 9.6

GTA 4 got a 10.

[QUOTE="Lo_Rising"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

Is it just me or is MGS4 looking not that impressive graphically. I know the inevitable graphics are not everything response but I just expected more from our friendly neighborhood "super computer" especially when this is the most hyped title from the "year of the PS3." Something tells me GOTY is gonna be GTA4 and MGS4 will be overshadowed by many many better games like Fable2, NG2, Gears 2.....heck even Resistance 2.

Gotta say one big gripe I also have with the game besides the gameplay vids looking like GRAW1 and the horrible comic book-esque storytelling with laughably convoluted plotlines is just the seriousness of the game that is contrasted by constant silliness. Take the video where you see some enemy squad running and flipping like ninja's. They land crouched and draw weapons holding them in the air behind their backs. For me Kojima's stylistic approach is so over the top its just rediculus. Any squad in a stance like that would got shot in a second. Who holds a weapon like that. Looks like they are posing for hero shots not fighting. What a freaking lame game.

Kirlok

why? you sound like a jealous fanboy. gears of war are you kidding, (convoluted) ohh yeah i believe the mole men on steroids are gonna take over the world. grow up fanboy.

gears of war scored higher than any PS3 game to date yet you look down on it

fanboy

[QUOTE="Kirlok"]

nice going denying the fact, you can say scored dont matter, but the daythe ps3 gets an AAAe you cows are gona go crazy.

but if fooling ur self makes you happy, go for it

tonythestudent

:lol: since when did i become a cow? Was the fact that i can see a great game from a great developer making you cry? Haven't you got some "KZ2 needs more colour" threads to be trolling?

ratchet and clank comes to mind.

and you have been a cow since the day u posted here

L1qu1dSword back form his suspension or what???

MGS4 is gonna PWN

L1qu1dSword back form his suspension or what???

MGS4 is gonna PWN

f50p90

June 12: Sneak out!

All the haters are going to be destroyed

Is it just me or is MGS4 looking not that impressive graphically. I know the inevitable graphics are not everything response but I just expected more from our friendly neighborhood "super computer" especially when this is the most hyped title from the "year of the PS3." Something tells me GOTY is gonna be GTA4 and MGS4 will be overshadowed by many many better games like Fable2, NG2, Gears 2.....heck even Resistance 2.

Gotta say one big gripe I also have with the game besides the gameplay vids looking like GRAW1 and the horrible comic book-esque storytelling with laughably convoluted plotlines is just the seriousness of the game that is contrasted by constant silliness. Take the video where you see some enemy squad running and flipping like ninja's. They land crouched and draw weapons holding them in the air behind their backs. For me Kojima's stylistic approach is so over the top its just rediculus. Any squad in a stance like that would got shot in a second. Who holds a weapon like that. Looks like they are posing for hero shots not fighting. What a freaking lame game.

L1qu1dSword

Where to start, MGS4 does look graphically impressive unless you nitpick at things here and there. Look how far graphics have come over the past few years. Gameplay vids may look like GRAW1, but I can guarentee that if you've played any of the past games, you'll see how different the style of gameplay is right of the back. And your complaints about the storytelling...whaaaa?? Seriously, the storytelling is bad like you make it out to be, the game is like that due hideo wierd sense of humor.

About the ninja squad thing where they pose.. your complaint is just ridiculous. If you have any friends in the military, I'm sure they've taken pictures just posing with a weapon for the hell of it. They then send the pics back so everyone thinks their badass, like posing holding a bazooka pics when their actually posted at their base in qwait or something like that working with shipping.

Finally, it's Kojimas creation, he can do whatever he wants to do with it. If you can make a game as good as his or a story that will hold as many people's interest as his, then I'll take your complaints seriously.. It takes a lot of work and talent to accomplish what he has today.

What's up with all the MGS4 bashing lately?

Graphics are MORE than impressive... i don't think we've seen any other gaming sites say otherwise.

The character models are pretty much unrivaled, and the environments are large with plenty of detail. Sure, there are blurry textures here and there, but seriously, who cares. all in all, it's an excellent looking game, and that cannot be argued.

CONSIDER THE DAMN SIZE OF THE GAME. GTAIV's graphics are supposedly awesome because we're considering the size of the game, right? MGS4 is just as big, and maybe an even bigger game than GTAIV. It also runs in 60 fps, with higher resolution :|

What's up with all the MGS4 bashing lately?

Graphics are MORE than impressive... i don't think we've seen any other gaming sites say otherwise.

The character models are pretty much unrivaled, and the environments are large with plenty of detail. Sure, there are blurry textures here and there, but seriously, who cares. all in all, it's an excellent looking game, and that cannot be argued.

CONSIDER THE DAMN SIZE OF THE GAME. GTAIV's graphics are supposedly awesome because we're considering the size of the game, right? MGS4 is just as big, and maybe an even bigger game than GTAIV. It also runs in 60 fps, with higher resolution :|

leadernator

it's definetly not bigger than GTA4 in level size. it's certaintly a non-linear game, with multiple routes and open-ended gameplay, just not to the degree of GTA4.

after playing the muliplayer beta, ill have to agree, the only thing that can make this game worth playing is the storyKirlok

Ummm no, the online is tons of fun, I just finished playing an all pistols and shotguns match and damn that is one of the funnest online gaming ive had in a while. The reason I love it is because unlike call of duty 4, MGO actually makes u work for your weapons and abaility's which are like perks from call of duty but u have to earn them. It is so much fun then some of u who prolly havent even played it are talking bs out of your mouth, when in reality it is tons of fun. I will give it u have your own opinion but the game is in no way boring or bad at all online,

People have to wait and play the game...not judge by pics that do it no justice.

Previewers that have played it, say the game looks outstanding...wait and see.

[QUOTE="leadernator"]

What's up with all the MGS4 bashing lately?

Graphics are MORE than impressive... i don't think we've seen any other gaming sites say otherwise.

The character models are pretty much unrivaled, and the environments are large with plenty of detail. Sure, there are blurry textures here and there, but seriously, who cares. all in all, it's an excellent looking game, and that cannot be argued.

CONSIDER THE DAMN SIZE OF THE GAME. GTAIV's graphics are supposedly awesome because we're considering the size of the game, right? MGS4 is just as big, and maybe an even bigger game than GTAIV. It also runs in 60 fps, with higher resolution :|

Mordred19

it's definetly not bigger than GTA4 in level size. it's certaintly a non-linear game, with multiple routes and open-ended gameplay, just not to the degree of GTA4.

definitely?

MGS4 is having a hard time fitting inside a double layer Bluray disc :|

I see where you're coming from, but you surely cannot be definite about it.