MGS4 is overrated

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[QUOTE="Airacomet"]Im goin to have to agree perfect 10? No. It may be a good game in its own right but not easily picked up by newcomers, which means it doesnt deserve a perfect score. But does anyone notice that highly anticipated games get perfect scores now and days?Airacomet

So if a game isn't easily picked up by newcomers its not perfect? Its called a learning curve. I guess since most people are too dumb to appreciate Citizen Kane that isn't a masterpiece either.

1. 10 is not perfect. 10 means the game delivers on what it promised and then some. Its a game that goes that extra mile to outdo every other game in its genre. A ten is a game that raises the bar for the industry.

2. You expected something world changing. That is why you fail. You want your world changed...get married..have a baby..move to another country. Don't play a video game expecting your life to change.

3. Sorry you were confused and bored. Here is a small red ball, perhaps you'd like to bounce it.

I don't believe it's overrated, but it certainly is overappreciated. The game is nothing after you finish it, but it's one hell of a ride on your first time through.BioShockOwnz

MGO says otherwise + I will definatly be repeating this game again after i have had a good shot at MG1,2,and 3 :)

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I don't believe it's overrated, but it certainly is overappreciated. The game is nothing after you finish it, but it's one hell of a ride on your first time through.BioShockOwnz

Their are so many emblems to achieve. Not to mention you get to bring all your new toys to the beginning of the game making it more fun to mess with the guards. Their are so many ways to play the game it rewards multiple play throughs.

[QUOTE="Airacomet"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="Airacomet"]Im goin to have to agree perfect 10? No. It may be a good game in its own right but not easily picked up by newcomers, which means it doesnt deserve a perfect score. But does anyone notice that highly anticipated games get perfect scores now and days?Bread_or_Decide

So if a game isn't easily picked up by newcomers its not perfect? Its called a learning curve. I guess since most people are too dumb to appreciate Citizen Kane that isn't a masterpiece either.

1. 10 is not perfect. 10 means the game delivers on what it promised and then some. Its a game that goes that extra mile to outdo every other game in its genre. A ten is a game that raises the bar for the industry.

2. You expected something world changing. That is why you fail. You want your world changed...get married..have a baby..move to another country. Don't play a video game expecting your life to change.

3. Sorry you were confused and bored. Here is a small red ball, perhaps you'd like to bounce it.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]I don't believe it's overrated, but it certainly is overappreciated. The game is nothing after you finish it, but it's one hell of a ride on your first time through.Bread_or_Decide

Their are so many emblems to achieve. Not to mention you get to bring all your new toys to the beginning of the game making it more fun to mess with the guards. Their are so many ways to play the game it rewards multiple play throughs.

It all leads to the same story. I played every single way the first time through, thus making a second playthrough unnecessary. Emblems =/= replay value. It's worthless after playing through once.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Airacomet"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="Airacomet"]Im goin to have to agree perfect 10? No. It may be a good game in its own right but not easily picked up by newcomers, which means it doesnt deserve a perfect score. But does anyone notice that highly anticipated games get perfect scores now and days?Airacomet

So if a game isn't easily picked up by newcomers its not perfect? Its called a learning curve. I guess since most people are too dumb to appreciate Citizen Kane that isn't a masterpiece either.

1. 10 is not perfect. 10 means the game delivers on what it promised and then some. Its a game that goes that extra mile to outdo every other game in its genre. A ten is a game that raises the bar for the industry.

2. You expected something world changing. That is why you fail. You want your world changed...get married..have a baby..move to another country. Don't play a video game expecting your life to change.

3. Sorry you were confused and bored. Here is a small red ball, perhaps you'd like to bounce it.

No thats not what a ten means. Nothing is perfect. NOTHING. I seriously doubt you played this game. Do you even have a PS3?

And the game pretty much is perfect, gameplay wise. So yes its got perfect gameplay. A guy with the Wii shouldn't have such high standards. I mean you BOUGHT a Wii..you obviously don't expect much from games.

And excuse me for being an MGS fan. But the cutscenes are fantastic. I guess you can punish a game for having too much story. But thats just it. Its MGS 4 you should have been expected cutscenes being this long.

jg4xchamp

I hate this line of reasoning.

It's an MGS game, so of course I expect plenty of cutscenes. But MGS4 easily has more cutscenes than any other MGS game.

MGS2 had a lot of cutscenes, but even at its worst, at the very end of the game, the final sequence was probably about 20 minutes long. MGS3 did not have as many cutscenes as MGS2 either, after the incredibly dense beginning is over.

MGS4 regularly has cutscene sequences that don't just surpass, but exceed MGS2's longest cutscenes, especially if you include the 'interactive' Mission Briefings in your analysis. The end of each Act, going into the beginning of the next, is usually an extremely long cutscene. Many Acts have enormous expositionary cutscenes in the middle. And Act 5 starts with a mission briefing that isn't even close to interactive, followed by a huge cutscene. It's also filled with long cutscenes, and leads into the final cutscene, which clocks in at seventy minutes. Even as someone who has played MGS games, I had no reason to expect that kind of density of cutscenes in a 20 hour experience.

A lot of the cutscenes are also incredibly dry and boring, and many convey information that isn't particularly pertinent. Not knowing what I would hear in a cutscene, I couldn't just skip it (I might miss important story information, and I do have some interest in the Metal Gear Solid continuity), but they were often extremely boring.

Going back through the game skipping the cutscenes, it's a much smoother experience.

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]I don't believe it's overrated, but it certainly is overappreciated. The game is nothing after you finish it, but it's one hell of a ride on your first time through.BioShockOwnz

Their are so many emblems to achieve. Not to mention you get to bring all your new toys to the beginning of the game making it more fun to mess with the guards. Their are so many ways to play the game it rewards multiple play throughs.

It all leads to the same story. I played every single way the first time through, thus making a second playthrough unnecessary. Emblems =/= replay value. It's worthless after playing through once.

Really? You played your first time through finding every easter egg? Did ya have the solar gun on your first play through? What about the item you get when you beat screaming Mantis. Worthless? Its actually more rewarding. Do you not rewatch movies even though you know how it will end? Plus you play on a different difficulty and you have to adjust to smarter A.I.

I don't believe it's overrated, but it certainly is overappreciated. The game is nothing after you finish it, but it's one hell of a ride on your first time through.BioShockOwnz

I disagree with you all the way, but your new avatar is awesome.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]And excuse me for being an MGS fan. But the cutscenes are fantastic. I guess you can punish a game for having too much story. But thats just it. Its MGS 4 you should have been expected cutscenes being this long.

sonicmj1

I hate this line of reasoning.

It's an MGS game, so of course I expect plenty of cutscenes. But MGS4 easily has more cutscenes than any other MGS game.

MGS2 had a lot of cutscenes, but even at its worst, at the very end of the game, the final sequence was probably about 20 minutes long. MGS3 did not have as many cutscenes as MGS2 either, after the incredibly dense beginning is over.

MGS4 regularly has cutscene sequences that don't just surpass, but exceed MGS2's longest cutscenes, especially if you include the 'interactive' Mission Briefings in your analysis. The end of each Act, going into the beginning of the next, is usually an extremely long cutscene. Many Acts have enormous expositionary cutscenes in the middle. And Act 5 starts with a mission briefing that isn't even close to interactive, followed by a huge cutscene. It's also filled with long cutscenes, and leads into the final cutscene, which clocks in at seventy minutes. Even as someone who has played MGS games, I had no reason to expect that kind of density of cutscenes in a 20 hour experience.

A lot of the cutscenes are also incredibly dry and boring, and many convey information that isn't particularly pertinent. Not knowing what I would hear in a cutscene, I couldn't just skip it (I might miss important story information, and I do have some interest in the Metal Gear Solid continuity), but they were often extremely boring.

Going back through the game skipping the cutscenes, it's a much smoother experience.

Um. Not if your a fan of the series. Everything they said was important to the series. If you've played all the games you'll recognize everything they are talking about. And its not just important its jaw dropping how it all adds up in the end. Dry and boring..go play Halo. MGS asks you to care..thats obviously too much for most kids these days.

MGS4 has more gameplay than cutscenes, if you crawl the whole time.

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]I don't believe it's overrated, but it certainly is overappreciated. The game is nothing after you finish it, but it's one hell of a ride on your first time through.BioShockOwnz

Their are so many emblems to achieve. Not to mention you get to bring all your new toys to the beginning of the game making it more fun to mess with the guards. Their are so many ways to play the game it rewards multiple play throughs.

It all leads to the same story. I played every single way the first time through, thus making a second playthrough unnecessary. Emblems =/= replay value. It's worthless after playing through once.

I'm sure you experimented with a number of different approaches to the game, depending on your situation. But you didn't play every single situation every single way the first time through.

I'm definitely enjoying my no-alert no-kill no-continue run, even though I already beat the game, because I'm forced to approach situations that I had gone through a certain way in a different manner.

It's not for everyone, but I always enjoy playing through MGS games again, because there are a lot of different ways to solve problems.

MGS4 has more gameplay than cutscenes, if you crawl the whole time.

ReverseCycology

Why is the game even in your avatar if you don't like it?

MGS4 has more gameplay than cutscenes, if you crawl the whole time.

ReverseCycology

:lol: Ain't that the truth...

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MGS4 has more gameplay than cutscenes, if you crawl the whole time.

Bread_or_Decide

Why is the game even in your avatar if you don't like it?

He's posing man. He claimed to beat the game under 5 hours on Big Boss extreme no kills no alerts.

Why can't cows realize that most people won't enjoy MGS4? It only appeals to certian gamers. I for one have absolutely no interest in playing the game.jbz7890

Certain gamers? Over one million sold on launch day doesn't seem like just certain gamers to me.

Its all fakeboys and fanboys who are talkin lies about the game.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

MGS4 has more gameplay than cutscenes, if you crawl the whole time.

BioShockOwnz

:lol: Ain't that the truth...

You've been here too long to be latching onto fakeboy comments.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

MGS4 has more gameplay than cutscenes, if you crawl the whole time.

Bread_or_Decide

:lol: Ain't that the truth...

You've been here too long to be latching onto fakeboy comments.

It may be fanboyish to you, but it's true.

i have played the game and i can tell you this is the most borring stealth (wannabe action game) i have ever played, the gameplay is OK but the cutscenes oh man what a borring snoozfest scenes in any game ever and some took must than 30 minutes and then when you start playing 1 minute later other large and borring cutrscene I mean WTF?

the framerate in the game is just hilarious, in some parts in the game the framerate gets a 10 fps (mostly in explosive parts and a lot of stuf going on)

most overrated game evar.

I wonder how much SONY paid, gamespot and IGN.
xn71102244

Well I disagree with your comments about MGS4. No doubt it's a great game. I do agree that IGN and Gamespot were paid off for the rating though.

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]And excuse me for being an MGS fan. But the cutscenes are fantastic. I guess you can punish a game for having too much story. But thats just it. Its MGS 4 you should have been expected cutscenes being this long.

Bread_or_Decide

I hate this line of reasoning.

It's an MGS game, so of course I expect plenty of cutscenes. But MGS4 easily has more cutscenes than any other MGS game.

MGS2 had a lot of cutscenes, but even at its worst, at the very end of the game, the final sequence was probably about 20 minutes long. MGS3 did not have as many cutscenes as MGS2 either, after the incredibly dense beginning is over.

MGS4 regularly has cutscene sequences that don't just surpass, but exceed MGS2's longest cutscenes, especially if you include the 'interactive' Mission Briefings in your analysis. The end of each Act, going into the beginning of the next, is usually an extremely long cutscene. Many Acts have enormous expositionary cutscenes in the middle. And Act 5 starts with a mission briefing that isn't even close to interactive, followed by a huge cutscene. It's also filled with long cutscenes, and leads into the final cutscene, which clocks in at seventy minutes. Even as someone who has played MGS games, I had no reason to expect that kind of density of cutscenes in a 20 hour experience.

A lot of the cutscenes are also incredibly dry and boring, and many convey information that isn't particularly pertinent. Not knowing what I would hear in a cutscene, I couldn't just skip it (I might miss important story information, and I do have some interest in the Metal Gear Solid continuity), but they were often extremely boring.

Going back through the game skipping the cutscenes, it's a much smoother experience.

Um. Not if your a fan of the series. Everything they said was important to the series. If you've played all the games you'll recognize everything they are talking about. And its not just important its jaw dropping how it all adds up in the end. Dry and boring..go play Halo. MGS asks you to care..thats obviously too much for most kids these days.

Oh, sorry I'm not a fan of the series because I don't absolutely love everything Kojima does. :roll:

I recognize everything they are talking about. In some cases, it angers me how some characters are recast in ways that don't fit with their portrayal in earlier Metal Gear games. In others, I'm bored, because I really don't need to be bothered to be told exactly how every facet of the SOP system and the 'war economy' works.

I'm perfectly capable of caring about a game if the story is told well enough to reach me. There were only a few situations in Metal Gear Solid 4 where that occurred. Those were:

[spoiler] The microwave hallway 'button-mashing' scene, and the flashback to Raiden and Rose's conversation about meeting after he blocks the ship. [/spoiler]

To me, the vast majority of the game was certainly worse in that aspect than other games like Half-Life 2: Episode 2, or Portal, or ICO, or a lot of Bioshock, despite the high production values on the cutscenes. If those cutscenes were a movie, I would have been extremely disappointed. It's lucky that there's a fantastic game behind all that.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

MGS4 has more gameplay than cutscenes, if you crawl the whole time.

BioShockOwnz

:lol: Ain't that the truth...

You've been here too long to be latching onto fakeboy comments.

It may be fanboyish to you, but it's true.

New tv show: Bioshockownz says the funniest things!

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

MGS4 has more gameplay than cutscenes, if you crawl the whole time.

BioShockOwnz

:lol: Ain't that the truth...

You've been here too long to be latching onto fakeboy comments.

It may be fanboyish to you, but it's true.

Actually it's not, probably close but not true. There's no denying MGS4 has a lot of cutscenes.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

MGS4 has more gameplay than cutscenes, if you crawl the whole time.

Chutebox

Why is the game even in your avatar if you don't like it?

He's posing man. He claimed to beat the game under 5 hours on Big Boss extreme no kills no alerts.

Relax, I'm just trying to make a Ha Ha. MGS4 is my favorite game at this moment. MGS4 rocks!

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

MGS4 has more gameplay than cutscenes, if you crawl the whole time.

BioShockOwnz

:lol: Ain't that the truth...

You've been here too long to be latching onto fakeboy comments.

It may be fanboyish to you, but it's true.

It's not true. But hey...you wanna lump yourself with ignorant folks. Go right ahead.

[QUOTE="jbz7890"]Why can't cows realize that most people won't enjoy MGS4? It only appeals to certian gamers. I for one have absolutely no interest in playing the game.Bread_or_Decide

Certain gamers? Over one million sold on launch day doesn't seem like just certain gamers to me.

Its all fakeboys and fanboys who are talkin lies about the game.

I have no interest in MGS does that make me a fanboy or a hater? As I've said in many threads Bread, I don't bash MGS but I don't like it when MGS fans accuse others of things because it doesn't appeal to someone. (I'm not saying that some fakeboys aren't hating on the game only that it doesn't appeal to alot of gamers).

And since when has sales been an indicator of widespread appeal or quality? I would certainly say that many people on this board would say Halo or GTA doesn't appeal to them, are they fakeboying or fanboys?

MGS4 pwned every other consoles exclusives.

I'd be pretty upset too if I was a fanboy who only owned one console and I had to watch MGS4 pwn my top AAA game.

I understand. Luckily I don't care.

I mean a TEN is a big deal. That puts MGS4 up there with only a few amazing games to ever score so high. Its an honor and a great achievement.

MGS4 is so frickin' amazing, it should be called OMGS4!

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[QUOTE="jbz7890"]Why can't cows realize that most people won't enjoy MGS4? It only appeals to certian gamers. I for one have absolutely no interest in playing the game.blue_hazy_basic

Certain gamers? Over one million sold on launch day doesn't seem like just certain gamers to me.

Its all fakeboys and fanboys who are talkin lies about the game.

I have no interest in MGS does that make me a fanboy or a hater? As I've said in many threads Bread, I don't bash MGS but I don't like it when MGS fans accuse others of things because it doesn't appeal to someone. (I'm not saying that some fakeboys aren't hating on the game only that it doesn't appeal to alot of gamers).

And since when has sales been an indicator of widespread appeal or quality? I would certainly say that many people on this board would say Halo or GTA doesn't appeal to them, are they fakeboying or fanboys?

what does it take to make you realize that if you dont like MGS4, then you are not a true gamer :roll:

(sarcasm)

MGS4 pwned every other consoles exclusives.

I'd be pretty upset too if I was a fanboy who only owned one console and I had to watch MGS4 pwn my top AAA game.

I understand. Luckily I don't care.

I mean a TEN is a big deal. That puts MGS4 up there with only a few amazing games to ever score so high. Its an honor and a great achievement.

Bread_or_Decide

really? then GR must be mistaken cause for some reason they have SMG rated higher than MGS4

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[QUOTE="jbz7890"]Why can't cows realize that most people won't enjoy MGS4? It only appeals to certian gamers. I for one have absolutely no interest in playing the game.blue_hazy_basic

Certain gamers? Over one million sold on launch day doesn't seem like just certain gamers to me.

Its all fakeboys and fanboys who are talkin lies about the game.

I have no interest in MGS does that make me a fanboy or a hater? As I've said in many threads Bread, I don't bash MGS but I don't like it when MGS fans accuse others of things because it doesn't appeal to someone. (I'm not saying that some fakeboys aren't hating on the game only that it doesn't appeal to alot of gamers).

And since when has sales been an indicator of widespread appeal or quality? I would certainly say that many people on this board would say Halo or GTA doesn't appeal to them, are they fakeboying or fanboys?

Appeal is one thing. Talking trash about an obvious masterpiece is another.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="jbz7890"]Why can't cows realize that most people won't enjoy MGS4? It only appeals to certian gamers. I for one have absolutely no interest in playing the game.Bread_or_Decide

Certain gamers? Over one million sold on launch day doesn't seem like just certain gamers to me.

Its all fakeboys and fanboys who are talkin lies about the game.

I have no interest in MGS does that make me a fanboy or a hater? As I've said in many threads Bread, I don't bash MGS but I don't like it when MGS fans accuse others of things because it doesn't appeal to someone. (I'm not saying that some fakeboys aren't hating on the game only that it doesn't appeal to alot of gamers).

And since when has sales been an indicator of widespread appeal or quality? I would certainly say that many people on this board would say Halo or GTA doesn't appeal to them, are they fakeboying or fanboys?

Appeal is one thing. Talking trash about an obvious masterpiece is another.

actually its the same thing... its all opinion

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

It may be fanboyish to you, but it's true.

Bread_or_Decide

It's not true. But hey...you wanna lump yourself with ignorant folks. Go right ahead.

The BBFC figured out the total amount of cutscenes and codec in the game when they rated it. It was about 9 hours long.

That's about half cutscenes, half gameplay, if you take it pretty slowly.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

MGS4 pwned every other consoles exclusives.

I'd be pretty upset too if I was a fanboy who only owned one console and I had to watch MGS4 pwn my top AAA game.

I understand. Luckily I don't care.

I mean a TEN is a big deal. That puts MGS4 up there with only a few amazing games to ever score so high. Its an honor and a great achievement.

ogvampire

really? then GR must be mistaken cause for some reason they have SMG rated higher than MGS4

You know what's great? I got Halo 3, Super Mario Galaxy, and MGS4 all on the same shelf. Must suck to just own one console.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="jbz7890"]Why can't cows realize that most people won't enjoy MGS4? It only appeals to certian gamers. I for one have absolutely no interest in playing the game.Bread_or_Decide

Certain gamers? Over one million sold on launch day doesn't seem like just certain gamers to me.

Its all fakeboys and fanboys who are talkin lies about the game.

I have no interest in MGS does that make me a fanboy or a hater? As I've said in many threads Bread, I don't bash MGS but I don't like it when MGS fans accuse others of things because it doesn't appeal to someone. (I'm not saying that some fakeboys aren't hating on the game only that it doesn't appeal to alot of gamers).

And since when has sales been an indicator of widespread appeal or quality? I would certainly say that many people on this board would say Halo or GTA doesn't appeal to them, are they fakeboying or fanboys?

Appeal is one thing. Talking trash about an obvious masterpiece is another.

Yep, Bioshockownz knows exactly what you mean because the moment you start talking trash about GTA 4....oh boy...

Um. Not if your a fan of the series. Everything they said was important to the series. If you've played all the games you'll recognize everything they are talking about. And its not just important its jaw dropping how it all adds up in the end. Dry and boring..go play Halo. MGS asks you to care..thats obviously too much for most kids these days.

Bread_or_Decide

Bread I would probably take this in a complete indifferent manner(I still do), but for fu** sake just relax... you're refering to a poster as a kid and yet you're not showing much maturity in doing so. It's bordering on obnoxious behavior now.

MGS4 pwned every other consoles exclusives.

I mean a TEN is a big deal.

Bread_or_Decide

MGS4 didn't even surpass its predecessors for me, deal with that. And coming from a gamer of which an opinion never really correlated with the mainstream wave a ten is worth next to nothing to me.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="jbz7890"]Why can't cows realize that most people won't enjoy MGS4? It only appeals to certian gamers. I for one have absolutely no interest in playing the game.ogvampire

Certain gamers? Over one million sold on launch day doesn't seem like just certain gamers to me.

Its all fakeboys and fanboys who are talkin lies about the game.

I have no interest in MGS does that make me a fanboy or a hater? As I've said in many threads Bread, I don't bash MGS but I don't like it when MGS fans accuse others of things because it doesn't appeal to someone. (I'm not saying that some fakeboys aren't hating on the game only that it doesn't appeal to alot of gamers).

And since when has sales been an indicator of widespread appeal or quality? I would certainly say that many people on this board would say Halo or GTA doesn't appeal to them, are they fakeboying or fanboys?

Appeal is one thing. Talking trash about an obvious masterpiece is another.

actually its the same thing... its all opinion

Even opinions can be wrong. Tell me Citizen Kane isn't a masterpiece I'll laugh in your face. Yes you can be wrong. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it can't be wrong.

I know let me ACT cool by saying MGS4 is overrated !!!!!!!!!1111!!!1Solid_Link22

your sig/avatar makes me want to cry

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

MGS4 pwned every other consoles exclusives.

I'd be pretty upset too if I was a fanboy who only owned one console and I had to watch MGS4 pwn my top AAA game.

I understand. Luckily I don't care.

I mean a TEN is a big deal. That puts MGS4 up there with only a few amazing games to ever score so high. Its an honor and a great achievement.

Bread_or_Decide

really? then GR must be mistaken cause for some reason they have SMG rated higher than MGS4

You know what's great? I got Halo 3, Super Mario Galaxy, and MGS4 all on the same shelf. Must suck to just own one console.

what a coincidence! so do I. the only difference is that my halo 3, SMG, and MGS4 are in a drawer, not on a shelf

psn: ogvampire, XBL: ogvampire, Wii: im at work, dont have the number with me

Even opinions can be wrong. Tell me Citizen Kane isn't a masterpiece I'll laugh in your face. Yes you can be wrong. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it can't be wrong. Bread_or_Decide

Appeal is one thing. Talking trash about an obvious masterpiece is another.

Bread_or_Decide

actually its the same thing... its all opinion

Even opinions can be wrong. Tell me Citizen Kane isn't a masterpiece I'll laugh in your face. Yes you can be wrong. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it can't be wrong.

exactly. so what makes you think that its not YOUR opinion thats wrong?

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="jbz7890"]Why can't cows realize that most people won't enjoy MGS4? It only appeals to certian gamers. I for one have absolutely no interest in playing the game.W1NGMAN-

Certain gamers? Over one million sold on launch day doesn't seem like just certain gamers to me.

Its all fakeboys and fanboys who are talkin lies about the game.

I have no interest in MGS does that make me a fanboy or a hater? As I've said in many threads Bread, I don't bash MGS but I don't like it when MGS fans accuse others of things because it doesn't appeal to someone. (I'm not saying that some fakeboys aren't hating on the game only that it doesn't appeal to alot of gamers).

And since when has sales been an indicator of widespread appeal or quality? I would certainly say that many people on this board would say Halo or GTA doesn't appeal to them, are they fakeboying or fanboys?

Appeal is one thing. Talking trash about an obvious masterpiece is another.

Yep, Bioshockownz knows exactly what you mean because the moment you start talking trash about GTA 4....oh boy...

Who cares what bioshock thinks? I dont know what has happened to him, but all of his posts annoy me. He used to actually add some good points to a tread.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Appeal is one thing. Talking trash about an obvious masterpiece is another.

ogvampire

actually its the same thing... its all opinion

Even opinions can be wrong. Tell me Citizen Kane isn't a masterpiece I'll laugh in your face. Yes you can be wrong. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it can't be wrong.

exactly. so what makes you think that its not YOUR opinion thats wrong?

The majority seems to agree with me and not you. So either 90% of game critics are crazy..or your just wrong.

I'll take the latter.

i have played the game and i can tell you this is the most borring stealth (wannabe action game) i have ever played, the gameplay is OK but the cutscenes oh man what a borring snoozfest scenes in any game ever and some took must than 30 minutes and then when you start playing 1 minute later other large and borring cutrscene I mean WTF?

the framerate in the game is just hilarious, in some parts in the game the framerate gets a 10 fps (mostly in explosive parts and a lot of stuf going on)

most overrated game evar.

I wonder how much SONY paid, gamespot and IGN.
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