MGS4 no longer 10, Killzone 2 no longer 9

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#101 carljohnson3456
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This thread... is awesome sauce. Such a cluster bomb of confusion.
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#102 KilIzone3
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My brain hurts
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#103 Lionheart08
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[QUOTE="Lord_Nasher"]

10/10 OP for a successful troll, people just can't understand sarcasm when it hits them in the face I 'spose.

Ross_the_B0SS

Well standards have changed since you posted so it's about a 9/10 now.

2 hours later, now it's a 7.5/10.

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#104 lundy86_4
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This thread is becoming epic, with it's mass system wars confusion

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#105 boybrushdred
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mgs4 no longer 10? killzone 2 no loner 9?

not likely. even with today's standards, those games are still great. even older games like elder scrolls IV oblivion is still great for today's standards. maybe its like this: age of empires, total annihilation, warcraft 2 aren't great compared to red alert3. system shock doesn't compare to crysis. something like that.

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#106 imprezawrx500
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so true and halo 1 would be like a 6 or 7 now. But killzone would still get a 9 now it's hardly been out a month, in 6 months sure the standards would have gone up but nothing much has come out since killzone 2 that is better.
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#107 clembo1990
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PS3 can't claim "standards" yet. Not by a long shot.
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#108 Jekken6
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A game gets rated according to the standards when the game is being rated.

You could say metal gear solid 4 is AAAAE by 2008 console standards and Killzone 2 AAAE by 2009 standards

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#109 Nerd_Man
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Stupidest post I've ever seen.

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#110 angelkimne
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Controversial much?
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#111 g0ddyX
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All i see, is sheep crying at the BIG titles.

People should stop comparing old school games to modern games.

I mean, we all grew up with them..

Why live in the past?

Its a known fact, that some people dont like to change.

On a more postive note, whats new with mgs5? ;)

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#112 mariokart64fan
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actually its a 8 . on wii vc , lol ,

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#113 splinter-OP
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I thought response threads weren't allowed anymore. And come on TC, was this really necessary, man SW has really gone down the crapper since Dreams and BB got banned, not that its was great then either.

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#114 SolidTy
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The cows have brought about the "standards" argument, so it just needs to be said.

Well, let me begin with MGS4. It was rated as a 10 last year meaning it had last years standards. It's no longer a 10 by today's standards.

Also, Killzone 2 scored a 9.0 on the dot so as every day that goes by the score drops lower than a 9.0.


Oh, and for more reference anyone who still owns an NES, Genesis, PS1, PS2, N64, Gamecube, Xbox, or anything in between just throw those out. All the games on those systems are like 2.0 or lower by todays standards. Not even worth playing because they're such garbage. If you're still playing The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time I just want you to know that you have horrible taste in games.

Counter Strike is the worst online FPS ever followed by Halo.

treedoor

So, now Halo 3 is a 7? Geow1 is a 5? Legend of Zelda is a -2?

This thread is going somewhere, I can feel it.

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#115 SolidTy
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I thought response threads weren't allowed anymore. And come on TC, was this really necessary, man SW has really gone down the crapper since Dreams and BB got banned, not that its was great then either.

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It wasn't great then either.

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#116 TREAL_Since
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I do think standards increase over time (obviously). But not in just a year.
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#117 TREAL_Since
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[QUOTE="splinter-OP"]

I thought response threads weren't allowed anymore. And come on TC, was this really necessary, man SW has really gone down the crapper since Dreams and BB got banned, not that its was great then either.

SolidTy

It wasn't great then either.

Yeah... Like it was so amazing then (not to say they weren't good posters). It's always been the same since this gen: Down the crapper. Somehow I keep dragging myself back here :P.
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#118 obamanian
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The cows have brought about the "standards" argument, so it just needs to be said.

Well, let me begin with MGS4. It was rated as a 10 last year meaning it had last years standards. It's no longer a 10 by today's standards.

Also, Killzone 2 scored a 9.0 on the dot so as every day that goes by the score drops lower than a 9.0.


Oh, and for more reference anyone who still owns an NES, Genesis, PS1, PS2, N64, Gamecube, Xbox, or anything in between just throw those out. All the games on those systems are like 2.0 or lower by todays standards. Not even worth playing because they're such garbage. If you're still playing The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time I just want you to know that you have horrible taste in games.

Counter Strike is the worst online FPS ever followed by Halo.

treedoor

Confined linear games thast you just shoot or crawl are the worst thing that happens to gaming this generation (or any generation), so to me games like Gears 2, MGS4, KZ2 are more like 5-6/10 games for a few hours of cinematic boredom, no deep gameplay, freedom, choiceor anything to write home about

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#119 Darth_DuMas
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It depends on the genre dude, the FPS genre is constantly spitting out games, ofc standards change quicker. Seriously some of you guys try to hard not to understand things sometimes.

Eddie-Vedder

I disagree, FPS on consoles hasn't exactly moved on leaps and bounds between Halo 3 and KZ 2 to be honest. I think Halo 3 is still applicable today. Its just its graphics that seem to bother people I guess (not me). It doesn't matter how many FPS come out, because most are run of the mill, but its harder for the ones that try these days, to continue to push boundries.

So I think things advance slower with FPS games now.

I think cows should stop trying so hard with the KZ 2 score and just let it go. I thinks that's TCs point, if we start conveniently chopping scores in SW then everything has to go.

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#120 rogerjak
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The cows have brought about the "standards" argument, so it just needs to be said.

Well, let me begin with MGS4. It was rated as a 10 last year meaning it had last years standards. It's no longer a 10 by today's standards.

Also, Killzone 2 scored a 9.0 on the dot so as every day that goes by the score drops lower than a 9.0.


Oh, and for more reference anyone who still owns an NES, Genesis, PS1, PS2, N64, Gamecube, Xbox, or anything in between just throw those out. All the games on those systems are like 2.0 or lower by todays standards. Not even worth playing because they're such garbage. If you're still playing The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time I just want you to know that you have horrible taste in games.

Counter Strike is the worst online FPS ever followed by Halo.

treedoor

You sir, are not a gamer.

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#121 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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Sure have sunk to a new low, if people start thinking that scores/ratings depreciate over time.
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#122 MrSlippery39
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The sarcasm is obvious...

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#123 wooooode
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So the 360 does not have any AAA titles then nor does the Wii, but the PS3 has MGS4 which should be like a 9 now right? This thread is retarded and everyone knows stadards move up and games that get 9's and 10's lead the industry at that time and make newer games progress. Those games are still great and without them current games would not be what they are so they are still 9's just not the hottest new thing.
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#124 Nagidar
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A great game like MGS4 has..wait, no, MGS4 is, wait, what?

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#125 Mind_Mover
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system wars is the best, congratulations, look how many people fell for your troll trap ^

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#126 dk_2007
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Lol at so many people thinking that TC is serious. ( when I saw TC in other thread that day, I saw this coming.)

Regarding logic, I think that each game deserves to keep its score otherwise we will be taking away gold medals from olympic medal winners each time after their record gets beaten,

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#127 Faber_Fighter
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Donkey Kong Country 2, my favourite game of all time, probably scoring in the negatives now because standards are higher now? NEVER!
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#128 delta3074
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i get where the TC is coming from a little bit, if you say halo 3 scored higher than killzone 2, the first thing cows will say is 'it wouldn't score that now' which is the lamest argument ever, halo 3 scored higher than kz2 FACT and cows should just leave it at that and get over it , there is no point in scoring gamesif people start throwing rubbish arguments around, take zelda OOT, there are tons of games out there with better graphics, but how many of them actually have better gameplay.
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#129 angry_fork
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This is the worst damage control I've seen in my entire life bar none. It's almost sig worthy. Toriko42
100% Agree, this topic is hilarious, definitely sig worthy.
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#130 dfgfdgfdgdfgfg
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lol killzone2 was just playing catch up to halo 2. hell even halo 2 has destructible stuff not something new lol.
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#131 dfgfdgfdgdfgfg
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the halo 2 single player level, named metropolis you can destroy the lights some buldings on the bridge been so long since i played it just got done, playing xbox again since my 360s dead, kinda surprised me. killzone2 destruction is better, but still halo 2 is what made in 2004?, but you can move around the broken pieces of stuff you destroyed, but the stuff only breaks one way.
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#132 dfgfdgfdgdfgfg
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bungie is a higher quality dev than konami or guerilla spelling? games. hell halo 2 levels are more impressive in level design than killzone2. the only thing i hate about halo no sprinting or aim assist if had option to turn it off be alot better.
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#133 Animal-Mother
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The cows have brought about the "standards" argument, so it just needs to be said.

Well, let me begin with MGS4. It was rated as a 10 last year meaning it had last years standards. It's no longer a 10 by today's standards.

Also, Killzone 2 scored a 9.0 on the dot so as every day that goes by the score drops lower than a 9.0.


Oh, and for more reference anyone who still owns an NES, Genesis, PS1, PS2, N64, Gamecube, Xbox, or anything in between just throw those out. All the games on those systems are like 2.0 or lower by todays standards. Not even worth playing because they're such garbage. If you're still playing The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time I just want you to know that you have horrible taste in games.

Counter Strike is the worst online FPS ever followed by Halo.

treedoor

So gears of war is a 5 now and Gears of war 2 is roughly a seven. I love how you love to mention 2 sony games a nintendo game and fail to mention anything 360

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#134 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="dfgfdgfdgdfgfg"]bungie is a higher quality dev than konami or guerilla spelling? games. hell halo 2 levels are more impressive in level design than killzone2. the only thing i hate about halo no sprinting or aim assist if had option to turn it off be alot better.

What I know that it's an opinion right?
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#135 dfgfdgfdgdfgfg
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="dfgfdgfdgdfgfg"]bungie is a higher quality dev than konami or guerilla spelling? games. hell halo 2 levels are more impressive in level design than killzone2. the only thing i hate about halo no sprinting or aim assist if had option to turn it off be alot better.

What I know that it's an opinion right?

No level in killzone2 is as epic looking as uprising halo 2 single player level, that map just looks crazy. i bet most people would agree, the pure height on the map, makes killzone2 levels feel like doom 1993 levels, you know how like levels arent tall?
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#136 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="dfgfdgfdgdfgfg"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="dfgfdgfdgdfgfg"]bungie is a higher quality dev than konami or guerilla spelling? games. hell halo 2 levels are more impressive in level design than killzone2. the only thing i hate about halo no sprinting or aim assist if had option to turn it off be alot better.

What I know that it's an opinion right?

No level in killzone2 is as epic looking as uprising halo 2 single player level, that map just looks crazy. i bet most people would agree, the pure height on the map, makes killzone2 levels feel like doom 1993 levels, you know how like levels arent tall?

Ok now i know thats a joke have you seen the Sulejeva (spelling?) village level or the final push into visari's palace? Hell even the Cruiser level is amazingly detailed im sorry but comparing a halo 2 level to KZ2 is laughable. Plus there are more epic level in halo 3 than in 2
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#137 delta3074
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="dfgfdgfdgdfgfg"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] What I know that it's an opinion right?

No level in killzone2 is as epic looking as uprising halo 2 single player level, that map just looks crazy. i bet most people would agree, the pure height on the map, makes killzone2 levels feel like doom 1993 levels, you know how like levels arent tall?

Ok now i know thats a joke have you seen the Sulejeva (spelling?) village level or the final push into visari's palace? Hell even the Cruiser level is amazingly detailed im sorry but comparing a halo 2 level to KZ2 is laughable. Plus there are more epic level in halo 3 than in 2

i don't think he's talking about detail, he's talking about the size of the level and the way it's designed, height actually increases the playing area and makes the map bigger, when comparing map sizes you have to think 3D not 2D and i personaly like getting high up in games (nothing beats the view from the highest temple in ass creed)
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#138 angry_fork
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="dfgfdgfdgdfgfg"] No level in killzone2 is as epic looking as uprising halo 2 single player level, that map just looks crazy. i bet most people would agree, the pure height on the map, makes killzone2 levels feel like doom 1993 levels, you know how like levels arent tall?

Ok now i know thats a joke have you seen the Sulejeva (spelling?) village level or the final push into visari's palace? Hell even the Cruiser level is amazingly detailed im sorry but comparing a halo 2 level to KZ2 is laughable. Plus there are more epic level in halo 3 than in 2

i don't think he's talking about detail, he's talking about the size of the level and the way it's designed, height actually increases the playing area and makes the map bigger, when comparing map sizes you have to think 3D not 2D and i personaly like getting high up in games (nothing beats the view from the highest temple in ass creed)

Well whether people hate the game or not in GTA4 standing on the tallest building looking around or in the helicopter above Manhattan is pretty breah-taking as well imo.
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#139 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Ok now i know thats a joke have you seen the Sulejeva (spelling?) village level or the final push into visari's palace? Hell even the Cruiser level is amazingly detailed im sorry but comparing a halo 2 level to KZ2 is laughable. Plus there are more epic level in halo 3 than in 2

i don't think he's talking about detail, he's talking about the size of the level and the way it's designed, height actually increases the playing area and makes the map bigger, when comparing map sizes you have to think 3D not 2D and i personaly like getting high up in games (nothing beats the view from the highest temple in ass creed)

Well whether people hate the game or not in GTA4 standing on the tallest building looking around or in the helicopter above Manhattan is pretty breah-taking as well imo.

very true, Ok I can concor, the way he explained it made it seem ya know
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#140 darthogre
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So I guess no one has a AAA game then? I'm confused at what you are trying to say.
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#141 delta3074
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[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Ok now i know thats a joke have you seen the Sulejeva (spelling?) village level or the final push into visari's palace? Hell even the Cruiser level is amazingly detailed im sorry but comparing a halo 2 level to KZ2 is laughable. Plus there are more epic level in halo 3 than in 2

i don't think he's talking about detail, he's talking about the size of the level and the way it's designed, height actually increases the playing area and makes the map bigger, when comparing map sizes you have to think 3D not 2D and i personaly like getting high up in games (nothing beats the view from the highest temple in ass creed)

Well whether people hate the game or not in GTA4 standing on the tallest building looking around or in the helicopter above Manhattan is pretty breah-taking as well imo.

methinks i might have to play GTA4 now, haven't got round to it yet, too may FPS to get through, but you have just sold it to me,breath-taking=epic
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#142 dfgfdgfdgdfgfg
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Everyone's view of halo franchise is ass backwards seriously. the best part of halo series is the single play campaign. the multiplayer the running speed is just too slow for online play, the weapons dont translate well to multiplayer fine for single player though. not having the ability to turn off aim assist ruins skill based competitive play, no option to run dedicated clan servers. halo's multiplayer is pretty crap, what makes the online fun is the vehicles, not the shooting. this guy named diabolus09 is sameway iam, he was on my friendlist from unreal championship 1# he loved halo single player, but he thought the multiplayer sucked. it's just not crazy enough/fast enough like unreal, unreal's gunplay is alot better.
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um, ok? does this mean that once I start up a game, it begins to get worse more and more with every passing second?... Oh crap.tylergamereview
play games faster, skip cutscenes and run! what is this standards argument?
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#144 JonnyEarthquake
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The cows have brought about the "standards" argument, so it just needs to be said.

Well, let me begin with MGS4. It was rated as a 10 last year meaning it had last years standards. It's no longer a 10 by today's standards.

Also, Killzone 2 scored a 9.0 on the dot so as every day that goes by the score drops lower than a 9.0.


Oh, and for more reference anyone who still owns an NES, Genesis, PS1, PS2, N64, Gamecube, Xbox, or anything in between just throw those out. All the games on those systems are like 2.0 or lower by todays standards. Not even worth playing because they're such garbage. If you're still playing The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time I just want you to know that you have horrible taste in games.

Counter Strike is the worst online FPS ever followed by Halo.

treedoor

Wow, you just insulted every harcore/oldscool gamer in the world!

You, sir, should jump off a bridge.

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#146 surrealnumber5
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OoT must be a -2.5 by now :cry:

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oot only appreciates over time, it just went over 9000 last week
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#147 jzen_
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funny you say that when i just popped it shadows of the colossus and still thought it was 9.0 material
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#148 LordQuorthon
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The sarcasm is obvious...

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#149 treedoor
Member since 2004 • 7648 Posts

[QUOTE="treedoor"]

The cows have brought about the "standards" argument, so it just needs to be said.

Well, let me begin with MGS4. It was rated as a 10 last year meaning it had last years standards. It's no longer a 10 by today's standards.

Also, Killzone 2 scored a 9.0 on the dot so as every day that goes by the score drops lower than a 9.0.


Oh, and for more reference anyone who still owns an NES, Genesis, PS1, PS2, N64, Gamecube, Xbox, or anything in between just throw those out. All the games on those systems are like 2.0 or lower by todays standards. Not even worth playing because they're such garbage. If you're still playing The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time I just want you to know that you have horrible taste in games.

Counter Strike is the worst online FPS ever followed by Halo.

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So gears of war is a 5 now and Gears of war 2 is roughly a seven. I love how you love to mention 2 sony games a nintendo game and fail to mention anything 360

I mentioned halo being complete garbage didn't I?

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#150 waynehead895
Member since 2005 • 18660 Posts
I get what you're saying but it won't fly. That's just terrible logic.