MGS4 spoiled everything!

This is not a fanboy post, this is serious. Right after I finished MGS4 I played many other games like Bioshock, Uncharted, replayed GeOW1 barely. Half-Life 2 took the crown from best game for me but now the crown goes to MGS4 for me. I can't play any other game without thinking about MGS4, im not kidding. MGS4 just set the standard for storytelling so high I don't think it's possible for any game this generation to achieve it, until MGS5 perhaps?

I just got GeOW2 the other day (don't ask me how I got it, it was a effin pain to get!) and I finished it, it was really good but the story is just lackluster, I know EPIC is not known for storytelling but it's a good improvement overall. I actually enjoyed the first one a little more, Im not saying anything else! Please don't start flaming me, it's called OPINION.

Anyway Bioshock was a very close second but otherwise there hasn't been a game that kept me on the edge of my seat like MGS4 did. I really want everyone to play this masterpiece.

Can anyone relate to this problem?

i didn't get into the previous mgs games so mgs4 story kinda put me to sleep.jeezers

Others like me and the OP do love MGS storytelling style. Needless to say the Plot, its an AAAAE masterpiece.

I agree that it is the best game i have played all year....that said it doesn't mean I can't enjoy other big games.

i diddnt get into the previous mgs games so mgs4 story kinda put me to sleep.jeezers

That's the problem. People like you just bought it because you heard it was an amazing game. It is AMAZING, but there's a catch, you need to play the rest of the series to understand it. I have played the whole series and I understand everything so perfect it's like reading an open book for me. Im sure many fans like me agree.

Best game ever is a matter of opinion....one that I share greatly.Jynxzor

I think it pales compared to the first Metal Gear Solid game (for the Ps1). However it puts every other game released this gen to shame though, in every possible aspect, it does.

This is not a fanboy post, this is serious. Right after I finished MGS4 I played many other games like Bioshock, Uncharted, replayed GeOW1 barely. Half-Life 2 took the crown from best game for me but now the crown goes to MGS4 for me. I can't play any other game without thinking about MGS4, im not kidding. MGS4 just set the standard for storytelling so high I don't think it's possible for any game this generation to achieve it, until MGS5 perhaps?

I just got GeOW2 the other day (don't ask me how I got it, it was a effin pain to get!) and I finished it, it was really good but the story is just lackluster, I know EPIC is not known for storytelling but it's a good improvement overall. I actually enjoyed the first one a little more, Im not saying anything else! Please don't start flaming me, it's called OPINION.

Anyway Bioshock was a very close second but otherwise there hasn't been a game that kept me on the edge of my seat like MGS4 did. I really want everyone to play this masterpiece.

Can anyone relate to this problem?

Blazerdt47

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]Best game ever is a matter of opinion....one that I share greatly.AgentA-Mi6

I think it pales compared to the first Metal Gear Solid game (for the Ps1). However it puts every other game released this gen to shame though, in every possible aspect, it does.

True, I will always hold MGS1 close to my heart as one of the best games of all time. I actually do like it best of them all and the only thing that dissapointed me with MGS4 was the bosses didn't feel as fleshed out as in previous games. MGS3 hold top spot in best boss fights ever. I mean come on you can kill a guy by setting your clock!?

I thought MGS4 was the weakest, storywise, of the series. This tends to happen to the last installment in a series. It was the best gameplay wise, but you only got to play for brief stints. Overall I'd rate them 1,3,2 and 4 tied.AdmiralDan

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]Best game ever is a matter of opinion....one that I share greatly.Jynxzor

I think it pales compared to the first Metal Gear Solid game (for the Ps1). However it puts every other game released this gen to shame though, in every possible aspect, it does.

True, I will always hold MGS1 close to my heart as one of the best games of all time. I actually do like it best of them all and the only thing that dissapointed me with MGS4 was the bosses didn't feel as fleshed out as in previous games. MGS3 hold top spot in best boss fights ever. I mean come on you can kill a guy by setting your clock!?

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]Best game ever is a matter of opinion....one that I share greatly.Jynxzor

I think it pales compared to the first Metal Gear Solid game (for the Ps1). However it puts every other game released this gen to shame though, in every possible aspect, it does.

True, I will always hold MGS1 close to my heart as one of the best games of all time. I actually do like it best of them all and the only thing that dissapointed me with MGS4 was the bosses didn't feel as fleshed out as in previous games. MGS3 hold top spot in best boss fights ever. I mean come on you can kill a guy by setting your clock!?

I still remember my 10 year old hands, holding the PS controller... when I first fought against ocelot the revolver... the nostalgia...

*Bursts into Tears*

Gears of War has spoiled me. The gameplay is far superior to any game I have ever played.DustAmulet

Really? :|

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]Best game ever is a matter of opinion....one that I share greatly.AgentA-Mi6

I think it pales compared to the first Metal Gear Solid game (for the Ps1). However it puts every other game released this gen to shame though, in every possible aspect, it does.

True, I will always hold MGS1 close to my heart as one of the best games of all time. I actually do like it best of them all and the only thing that dissapointed me with MGS4 was the bosses didn't feel as fleshed out as in previous games. MGS3 hold top spot in best boss fights ever. I mean come on you can kill a guy by setting your clock!?

I still remember my 10 year old hands, holding the PS controller... when I first fought against ocelot the revolver... the nostalgia...

*Bursts into Tears*

[QUOTE="DustAmulet"]Gears of War has spoiled me. The gameplay is far superior to any game I have ever played.Kratos-Sackboy

Really? :|

The gameplay in Gears is nice. I agree with him on that but to say its far superior to any game is just silly.

[QUOTE="AdmiralDan"]I thought MGS4 was the weakest, storywise, of the series. This tends to happen to the last installment in a series. It was the best gameplay wise, but you only got to play for brief stints. Overall I'd rate them 1,3,2 and 4 tied.StealthKnife

MGS4 is the best of the series for being so emotional. MGS4 is the only game that I actually care for the characters.

what? Mgs story has always been pretty awful, convulted, and extremely awkward at moments.. how can you enjoy this?

not to mention the gameplay, although decent, isn't that great. don't even mention the multiplayer.

Stealth, on MGS3 during the fight with "The End" you could save your game, go to your Playstation menue and set your clock forward a few years I can't remember how many and when you loaded up your game the end dies of old age.Jynxzor

I agree that it is the best game i have played all year....that said it doesn't mean I can't enjoy other big games.

jg4xchamp

Agreed... Here's looking at you Gears 2.

Stealth, on MGS3 during the fight with "The End" you could save your game, go to your Playstation menue and set your clock forward a few years I can't remember how many and when you loaded up your game the end dies of old age.Jynxzor

Yeah, that works, but really, you only had to wait like 2-3 days, and he would be dead that way as well. A week tops.

I actually enjoyed fighting him though, if you shoot The End's Pet bird (Which tells The END where to aim), he become A LOT Easier.

THERE'S A LOT to all MGS games, remember that DEVIL MAY CRY meets DRACULA dream gameplay sequence, cleverly hidden?lol.

[QUOTE="Kratos-Sackboy"]

[QUOTE="DustAmulet"]Gears of War has spoiled me. The gameplay is far superior to any game I have ever played.Soulja_West

Really? :|

The gameplay in Gears is nice. I agree with him on that but to say its far superior to any game is just silly.

lol seriously. I mean yea GeoW's gameplay is very good (55/57 achievements :P) but its definitly not superior.

[QUOTE="StealthKnife"][QUOTE="AdmiralDan"]I thought MGS4 was the weakest, storywise, of the series. This tends to happen to the last installment in a series. It was the best gameplay wise, but you only got to play for brief stints. Overall I'd rate them 1,3,2 and 4 tied.Blazerdt47

MGS4 is the best of the series for being so emotional. MGS4 is the only game that I actually care for the characters.

See, what you call emotional, I call poorly written cheese. Like Meryl's wedding proposal during the gunfight - I remember my wife popping in and seeing that scene...ugh. You try to tell people that there are well-written, smart, non-Hollywoodish video games, but then the cream of the crop, MGS, has dialogue akin to a Nicholas Cage flick.

I kinda know what you mean.

Having played Portal and Shadow of the Colossus, I can't help but notice how dated MGS4's storytelling techniques are, despite the high production values.

mgs4 is an awesome masterpiece but heck, the game doesnt neccessarily cancel out how you enjoy other games..

experience different genres, and TRY HARD to enjoy them, i did that with FF XII and in the end, i STILL did not really capture what the square enix tried to portray in making gambits a party of your RPG system. just made either TOO easy or TOO complicated, i found it TOO easy actually, even though i clocked in about 60 hours. :P

either way, enjoy.

[QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

[QUOTE="StealthKnife"][QUOTE="AdmiralDan"]I thought MGS4 was the weakest, storywise, of the series. This tends to happen to the last installment in a series. It was the best gameplay wise, but you only got to play for brief stints. Overall I'd rate them 1,3,2 and 4 tied.AdmiralDan

MGS4 is the best of the series for being so emotional. MGS4 is the only game that I actually care for the characters.

See, what you call emotional, I call poorly written cheese. Like Meryl's wedding proposal during the gunfight - I remember my wife popping in and seeing that scene...ugh. You try to tell people that there are well-written, smart, non-Hollywoodish video games, but then the cream of the crop, MGS, has dialogue akin to a Nicholas Cage flick.

What are you talking about? What's your definition of good emotion in a game then? You obviously haven't played the series to a point where you can understand what is going on.

mgs4 is an awesome masterpiece but heck, the game doesnt neccessarily cancel out how you enjoy other games..

experience different genres, and TRY HARD to enjoy them, i did that with FF XII and in the end, i STILL did not really capture what the square enix tried to portray in making gambits a party of your RPG system. just made either TOO easy or TOO complicated, i found it TOO easy actually, even though i clocked in about 60 hours. :P

either way, enjoy.

joopyme

You don't understand. I played every game out there. It's just that good to me.

I kinda know what you mean.

Having played Portal and Shadow of the Colossus, I can't help but notice how dated MGS4's storytelling techniques are, despite the high production values.

sonicmj1

And I see what you mean. MGS employs traditional movie storytelling techniques in a medium (video games) that should be looking for its own storytelling techniques. Portal is a perfect example. That game could not be translated into a movie or book or anythig else. With SotC the plot revolves around the one character and his murdering of the Colossi. It is a morally ambiguous story that can only be experienced through acting as the character. Again, a movie, book, or other medium could effectively convey this message.

MGS 4 would have been fine if it had good dialogue. Unfortunately I can think of many areas where it did not, or cheap clevage was shown, or one of any number of cliche Hollywood-type tricks were thrown in to "add" to the story. For being a next gen game in terms of graphics, gameplay, and sound, MGS 4 sure felt antiquated in the story department. I think the casue of this is that it is linked to series that is so old that a large departure from its original storytelling would too jarring for gamers to handle.

[QUOTE="joopyme"]

mgs4 is an awesome masterpiece but heck, the game doesnt neccessarily cancel out how you enjoy other games..

experience different genres, and TRY HARD to enjoy them, i did that with FF XII and in the end, i STILL did not really capture what the square enix tried to portray in making gambits a party of your RPG system. just made either TOO easy or TOO complicated, i found it TOO easy actually, even though i clocked in about 60 hours. :P

either way, enjoy.

Blazerdt47

You don't understand. I played every game out there. It's just that good to me.

yes, i do understand as i enjoy mgs4 alone compared to the time i spend with my pro(only have ToV, no hatin).

i do understand that mgs4's greatness overshadowed the other games you played, but that really doesnt mean that it "spoils everything." aside from overly praising mgs4, appreciate other games as how they are made and how the devs try to deliver want they want gamers to experience. Video gaming is a very luxurious experience,as not everone can experience the same.

enjoy! :D

[QUOTE="AdmiralDan"][QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

[QUOTE="StealthKnife"][QUOTE="AdmiralDan"]I thought MGS4 was the weakest, storywise, of the series. This tends to happen to the last installment in a series. It was the best gameplay wise, but you only got to play for brief stints. Overall I'd rate them 1,3,2 and 4 tied.Blazerdt47

MGS4 is the best of the series for being so emotional. MGS4 is the only game that I actually care for the characters.

See, what you call emotional, I call poorly written cheese. Like Meryl's wedding proposal during the gunfight - I remember my wife popping in and seeing that scene...ugh. You try to tell people that there are well-written, smart, non-Hollywoodish video games, but then the cream of the crop, MGS, has dialogue akin to a Nicholas Cage flick.

What are you talking about? What's your definition of good emotion in a game then? You obviously haven't played the series to a point where you can understand what is going on.

Give me a break. I have played, and own, multiple copies of MGS 1 (on PS and GC), MGS 2 (on Xbox and PS2), MGS 3 x2, and until recently I owned MGS 4 (I bought the freaking bundle pack for God's sakes).

Please, then, define "emotional" for me. It is more than sappy music and slow camera shots, mixed with serious talking and Otocan crying. Emotional to me is Lawrence of Arabia standing on the shores of Aqaba, Wallace getting executed at the end of Braveheart, Frodo finally destroying the ring, or, in video games, finding out you were Revan all along or Alex defeating Pious at the end of ED.

Meryl's masculine shoulders, her cheesy wedding proposal, the bad-taste bowel movements, Otacon crying, and so on are not emotional.

[QUOTE="Blazerdt47"][QUOTE="joopyme"]

mgs4 is an awesome masterpiece but heck, the game doesnt neccessarily cancel out how you enjoy other games..

experience different genres, and TRY HARD to enjoy them, i did that with FF XII and in the end, i STILL did not really capture what the square enix tried to portray in making gambits a party of your RPG system. just made either TOO easy or TOO complicated, i found it TOO easy actually, even though i clocked in about 60 hours. :P

either way, enjoy.

joopyme

You don't understand. I played every game out there. It's just that good to me.

yes, i do understand as i enjoy mgs4 alone compared to the time i spend with my pro(only have ToV, no hatin).

i do understand that mgs4's greatness overshadowed the other games you played, but that really doesnt mean that it "spoils everything." aside from overly praising mgs4, appreciate other games as how they are made and how the devs try to deliver want they want gamers to experience. Video gaming is a very luxurious experience,as not everone can experience the same.

enjoy! :D

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I seriously hope MGS4 wins GOTY.

I think the most epic and emotional part of the game is the fight between Snake and Liquid Ocelot at the end with the saga bgm playing.

That'll be a memorable moment that'll stay in video game for the next 10 years.... for me :D

I think the most epic and emotional part of the game is the fight between Snake and Liquid Ocelot at the end with the saga bgm playing.

That'll be a memorable moment that'll stay in video game for the next 10 years.... for me :D

Bazooka_4ME

I think the most epic and emotional part of the game is the fight between Snake and Liquid Ocelot at the end with the saga bgm playing.

That'll be a memorable moment that'll stay in video game for the next 10 years.... for me :D

Bazooka_4ME

I do agree with you. The one shining part of the ending was the fight between Snake and Ocelot. I liked how the UI changed between games and gave a sense of history. Still, the overwhelming majority of the end was poorly done. Another one I remember is Raiden's "near death" with, I guess, stopping the largest ship on the planet from killing Snake. It just reaked of sensationalist BS and indicated to me that Kojima couldn't get us to care with the dialogue so he overplayed the hero aspect while still making us watch dreadful "character" scenes with Raiden's family, etc. Ugh.

[QUOTE="Bazooka_4ME"]

I think the most epic and emotional part of the game is the fight between Snake and Liquid Ocelot at the end with the saga bgm playing.

That'll be a memorable moment that'll stay in video game for the next 10 years.... for me :D

aka_aj03

That was the best-executed storytelling moment in the game.

There are some really visionary moments in MGS4 (I admired what they did with the opening minutes far more in retrospect once I realized the purpose it served), but a lot of the storytelling is told within movie conventions, and even those cutscenes are only occaisonally done as well as they could be.

As the game progressed, I was generally more bewildered and upset at the bizarre turns the story took than I was deeply sympathetic to the characters. While MGS4 has some incredible set-pieces, the plot as a whole doesn't really stick for me. Even MGS2's overall tale and message resonated stronger.

[QUOTE="Bazooka_4ME"]

I think the most epic and emotional part of the game is the fight between Snake and Liquid Ocelot at the end with the saga bgm playing.

That'll be a memorable moment that'll stay in video game for the next 10 years.... for me :D

AdmiralDan

I do agree with you. The one shining part of the ending was the fight between Snake and Ocelot. I liked how the UI changed between games and gave a sense of history. Still, the overwhelming majority of the end was poorly done. Another one I remember is Raiden's "near death" with, I guess, stopping the largest ship on the planet from killing Snake. It just reaked of sensationalist BS and indicated to me that Kojima couldn't get us to care with the dialogue so he overplayed the hero aspect while still making us watch dreadful "character" scenes with Raiden's family, etc. Ugh.

Why were the Raiden's family scenes dreadful? Is there something wrong if Raiden deserves a little recognition for his efforts?