MGS4 spoiled everything!

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#151 AAllxxjjnn
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[QUOTE="PC_X360"]Mgs4 is one of the worst game I have ever played:(AgentA-Mi6

Metal Gear Solid 4 Was meant to be enjoyed by MGS fans who have followed each entry of the series across many generations.

If you're not one of them the game is simply not for you.

MGS4 is still the greatest game of this gen, above everything on Wii, Pc, And xbox360 period

When are you going to provide some evidence to back this up? Why is it the greatest game this gen?

All it does it emulate a movie for storytelling, so dont even bring story into this. Gameplay wise, what does it do so special?

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#152 sonicmj1
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While I have not played the game I disagree with the people who argue that games like Bioshock and Half-Life 2 had far better story telling than games that use 'traditional' forms. Especially since the most popular moment from Bioshock was done using a cut scene. And I don't see many people discussing or praising the stories that were tape recorded. The use of scripted audio, video or written dialogue has its place when it comes to story telling such as when complex ideas must be explained or when the author wishes to convey something in a very specific way. Simply allowing player freedom during these events does not make them any better, hearing some of the characters talk in Half Life 2 was not the grandest of story telling simply because I can jump around and act like an idiot. What sets games apart is that they can use all the above mentioned techniques and their more interactive qualities at appropriate moments to convey a story, instead of just relying on one of them.

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While I think Half-Life's experiment is a noble one, those sequences aren't the reason I like it. But it tells story better. Just compare the delivery of Half-Life 2: Episode 2's ending (almost entirely non-interactive) to any dramatic sequence in MGS4, and it seems obvious to me which one better evokes emotion.

Still, where I think Half-Life 2 and Portal truly succeed over MGS4 is in the ways they tell story outside of the cutscenes. The setting communicates a huge amount of background information in those games, and the characters never condescend to spell it out for you. Instead, the world itself tells you what has happened. Consider how Half-Life 2 begins, before you're even shepherded into a closed room at any point. The state of City 17, the people you see around you and their conversations, the constant propagandizing by Dr. Breen; these things fill in the history that nobody ever bothers to tell you, and they immerse you in the world without boring you.

Metal Gear Solid 4 dabbles in these sorts of things (there's a moment early in Act 1 where a militiaman is executed in front of you while you're crawling through a hole, and then a PMC ad plays over some speakers, which I thought was well done), but it generally is more content to introduce its world by telling you every exhaustive detail of what is happening. And as a result, the world itself plays less of a role. The places Snake sneaks through (some of which are supposedly cities) are barren and deserted, and while the PMCs don't need any motivation, it's unclear why the militias are fighting this losing battle against a vastly superior foe.

While the environments are more varied, the series has moved from the sterile corridors, or empty jungles of its past, and replaced them with battlefields. Neither communicates elements of setting that the series frequently feels the need to explain in huge cutscenes. The world is quite detailed, yet it still feels barren. Places like the Advent Palace Hotel, which ought to be brimming with setting, have nothing. The supposedly-inhabited Eastern European city is merely a network of buildings and roads.

The MGS series has long thrived on the intricacy of its plot. Yet other titles have been more powerful to me emotionally (such as Team ICO's efforts), without requiring epic cutscenes. And other games have created deeper worlds without ever removing control from me.

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#153 pimperjones
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Wow text wall. You need some frag grenades to get ppl to read that. That should be like two posts
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#154 sonicmj1
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Wow text wall. You need some frag grenades to get ppl to read that. That should be like two postspimperjones

I did a little formatting for you, but I hope we don't live in a world where nobody has the attention span to read 5 paragraphs.

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#155 thesmiter
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[QUOTE="pimperjones"]Wow text wall. You need some frag grenades to get ppl to read that. That should be like two postssonicmj1

I did a little formatting for you, but I hope we don't live in a world where nobody has the attention span to read 5 paragraphs.

i don't think anyone has the attention span or the will to read a 5 paragraph post on why metal gear solid is awesome, mostly because no one cares why you think its awesome. i thought it was ok. if you care this much about a game, you need some professional assistance.

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#156 sonicmj1
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[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

[QUOTE="pimperjones"]Wow text wall. You need some frag grenades to get ppl to read that. That should be like two poststhesmiter

I did a little formatting for you, but I hope we don't live in a world where nobody has the attention span to read 5 paragraphs.

i don't think anyone has the attention span or the will to read a 5 paragraph post on why metal gear solid is awesome, mostly because no one cares why you think its awesome. i thought it was ok. if you care this much about a game, you need some professional assistance.

Forget reading 5 paragraphs. Is it too much to ask for people to read the first two or three sentences, so they know what the post they're responding to is about?

Sometimes, this board worries me.

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#157 Gamingcucumber
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And personally my experience with MGS4 was lackluster to say the least. And the story completely lame. But then again. I've never been a fan of the franchise even though I own MGS 3 Subsistance.
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#158 EmperorSupreme
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I loved the Story in MGS4 as well. It is one of the few games that have made me really think and I mean outside of the game. It has a lot of interesting points in the story that are great to ponder on and discuss.
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#159 thesmiter
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[QUOTE="thesmiter"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

[QUOTE="pimperjones"]Wow text wall. You need some frag grenades to get ppl to read that. That should be like two postssonicmj1

I did a little formatting for you, but I hope we don't live in a world where nobody has the attention span to read 5 paragraphs.

i don't think anyone has the attention span or the will to read a 5 paragraph post on why metal gear solid is awesome, mostly because no one cares why you think its awesome. i thought it was ok. if you care this much about a game, you need some professional assistance.

Forget reading 5 paragraphs. Is it too much to ask for people to read the first two or three sentences, so they know what the post they're responding to is about?

Sometimes, this board worries me.

once again, i don't care enough about your fanatic opinion of mgs enough to read almost any of what you write, unless it is directly concerning me, or i feel the need to make fun of you because you seem so attached to a game. which i will do again. haha, you love metal gear to an extreme extent. haha.

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#160 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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I agree that MGS4 is an excellent game, an quite probably the best game this year, and sure one of the best five this gen.

But it hasn't "rised the bar" (on Stealth/action games of course, but not for games in general).

It is an outstanding achievement, but it is not the "wonder game that beats/defeats everything".

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#161 NSR34GTR
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mgs4 is one brilliant game
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#162 el_rika
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This is not a fanboy post, this is serious. Right after I finished MGS4 I played many other games like Bioshock, Uncharted, replayed GeOW1 barely. Half-Life 2 took the crown from best game for me but now the crown goes to MGS4 for me. I can't play any other game without thinking about MGS4, im not kidding. MGS4 just set the standard for storytelling so high I don't think it's possible for any game this generation to achieve it, until MGS5 perhaps?

I just got GeOW2 the other day (don't ask me how I got it, it was a effin pain to get!) and I finished it, it was really good but the story is just lackluster, I know EPIC is not known for storytelling but it's a good improvement overall. I actually enjoyed the first one a little more, Im not saying anything else! Please don't start flaming me, it's called OPINION.

Anyway Bioshock was a very close second but otherwise there hasn't been a game that kept me on the edge of my seat like MGS4 did. I really want everyone to play this masterpiece.

Can anyone relate to this problem?

Blazerdt47

just wanted to say that i completely agree.

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#163 De_Bears
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You are like me. I prefer a good story above all things. I guess thats why I'd prefer MGS4 over a game like Gears of War. A lot of games get a pass for generic storylines, this generation loves gore or constant violence with gameplay elements.
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#164 FFXIII360
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Gears of War spoiled everything for me
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#165 el_rika
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You are like me. I prefer a good story above all things. I guess thats why I'd prefer MGS4 over a game like Gears of War. A lot of games get a pass for generic storylines, this generation loves gore or constant violence with gameplay elements. De_Bears

The world is becoming more and more violent and this is reflected by every medium, especially movies and video games.

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#166 01_5k001
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Really? I got tired of that game. I got all the emblems except the Big Boss which I get later. And BTW Big Bos is not even that hard, it just that I got bored of that game. Right now I am playing LittleBigPlanet its a good game.
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#167 Kratos-PS3
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This is not a fanboy post, this is serious. Right after I finished MGS4 I played many other games like Bioshock, Uncharted, replayed GeOW1 barely. Half-Life 2 took the crown from best game for me but now the crown goes to MGS4 for me. I can't play any other game without thinking about MGS4, im not kidding. MGS4 just set the standard for storytelling so high I don't think it's possible for any game this generation to achieve it, until MGS5 perhaps?

I just got GeOW2 the other day (don't ask me how I got it, it was a effin pain to get!) and I finished it, it was really good but the story is just lackluster, I know EPIC is not known for storytelling but it's a good improvement overall. I actually enjoyed the first one a little more, Im not saying anything else! Please don't start flaming me, it's called OPINION.

Anyway Bioshock was a very close second but otherwise there hasn't been a game that kept me on the edge of my seat like MGS4 did. I really want everyone to play this masterpiece.

Can anyone relate to this problem?

Blazerdt47

True. You should play God of War series though. That comes REALLY close to MGS. But in a different way. Just give it a try.

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#168 Kratos-PS3
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Gears of War spoiled everything for meFFXIII360

I really do hope you dont mean story wise. If so then u seriously have no taste in story telling in videogames.

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#169 sebbi11
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[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]Best game ever is a matter of opinion....one that I share greatly.AgentA-Mi6

I think it pales compared to the first Metal Gear Solid game (for the Ps1). However it puts every other game released this gen to shame though, in every possible aspect, it does.

Nah, it could have if the gameplay was better... and a little editing on that story would have been nice for us who doesn`t remember anything that happened in a game years back... and off course the MP aspect was a joke, but everyone knows that. GTA also got a 10 , i don`t think that`s the best game this gen either. Loved the first MGS though... i was a little younger back then, i guess Japanese story telling appeal more to the kids. For me it did anyway.

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#170 ONLYDOD
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I thought MGS4 was superb, but it hasn't ruined anything else for me, sorry.
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#171 e20sm0ke
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MGS4 greatest game this year
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#172 Lidve
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Its just melodramatic story with cliche elements that tries to be interesting by makeing things more complex

I hated story in MGS1, especialy parts where Meryl is shot,and she is about to die or something,but no,she remembers her past and such awfull dragonball-a-like stuff it make me puke

Not to mention that Snake's voice is one of cheesiest voices ever only cheesier voice is from Marcus Phoenix oh God so awfull thats what happens when they make game aimed @ some teens

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#173 Snugenz
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It is a great game, not in any way my favourite game this year but great.

Favourite game this year is a toss up between Fable 2 and LBP.