MGS's Gameplay needs to be redone, IMO!

Might sound picky but....I was thinking, MGS4 while a great game has gameplay that feels so dated..expecially if you compared it to say SPLINTER CELL. It's the little things like movement, chocking, carrying and just take downs that look so silly and weak (unsatisfying). This all worked for a PS2 title, but now..we should expect some realistic and improved gameplay, Not recycled animations.

For instance, why does snake slit someones throat with his left hand and drops them like he got shat on. Animations are shockingly bad. The cover system is way to slow to be effective in anyways, movement that is.

and what happen to neck breaking? (replaced with some silly chokehold)

For a stealth game, snake should be quick with effective techniques. The only major edition to gameplay since MGS2 was CQC. Hideo seems to be all story and little gameplay, IMO.The new PSP game peace walker still has the same recycled animations.

Hopefully the next installments has a redifined mechanic system.

THOUGHTS!

Hopefully the next installments has a redifined mechanic system.soapandbubbles

I dont agree, MGS4 is miles ahead of Conviction.

I dont agree, MGS4 is miles ahead of Conviction.

telefanatic

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"]Hopefully the next installments has a redifined mechanic system.Parasomniac

Your gonna need a flame shield, son. Luckily, the Link providith:

"compared it to say SPLINTER CELL" yup read till there and was like... lol another SCC vs MGS4

MGS4 FTW

welcome to 8 years ago when people said Splinter Cell 1 made MGS2's stealth gameplay look extremely lame

anyways, Metal Gear in general pretty much never tried to be too technical or realistic with stealth gameplay, tho MGS3's added use of camo and healing/diets/etc. added some depth, albeit that didn't fly with everybody so MGS4 basically dumbed that down with the octo-camo and the "stress meter"

Only a fanboy would say that MGS4 has better gameplay than Conviction. Conviction is miles ahead of MGS4 in the gameplay category (also online)but everything else (story, characters etc.) MGS4 does better.

Only a fanboy would say that MGS4 has better gameplay than Conviction. Conviction is miles ahead of MGS4 in the gameplay category (also online)but everything else (story, charachters etc.) MGS4 does better.

BURSTIIIFIRE

I dont agree, MGS4 is miles ahead of Conviction.

telefanatic

of course, that's why Conviction got an 8 rather than perfect 10 :D

I agree, Mgs4 was insanely easy and old hat it was basically mgs1 in the end.

When I played it was too easy and If you look at the speedgamers playthrough when they had the Metal gear solid marathon they beat it in something like 3-4 hours they didn't do a single fight they just ran around people as they fought each other or were suprised when Solid snake showed up the only fights they had were pre determined fights as part of the game it self.

Only a fanboy would say that MGS4 has better gameplay than Conviction. Conviction is miles ahead of MGS4 in the gameplay category (also online)but everything else (story, charachters etc.) MGS4 does better.

I thought MGS4 played fine.

Only a fanboy would say that MGS4 has better gameplay than Conviction. Conviction is miles ahead of MGS4 in the gameplay category (also online)but everything else (story, charachters etc.) MGS4 does better.

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Please, don't say that MGS does it's story well. Please don't. It does it's plot well. There's a difference.DarkLink77

[QUOTE="telefanatic"]

I dont agree, MGS4 is miles ahead of Conviction.

EZs

of course, that's why Conviction got an 8 rather than perfect 10 :D

But Chaos Theory is better than both of them.

Thanks OP, I needed a good laugh.

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"]Hopefully the next installments has a redifined mechanic system.soapandbubbles

I believe he's talking about Metal Gear Rising, but I could be wrong.

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"]Hopefully the next installments has a redifined mechanic system.Parasomniac

Only a fanboy would say that MGS4 has better gameplay than Conviction. Conviction is miles ahead of MGS4 in the gameplay category (also online)but everything else (story, characters etc.) MGS4 does better.

BURSTIIIFIRE

if you reffered to chaos theory, even double agent in terms of gameplay, I would have agreed. For goodness sakes, conviction has a single stealth button and you cant even pick what you do. Lame.

[QUOTE="EZs"]

[QUOTE="telefanatic"]

I dont agree, MGS4 is miles ahead of Conviction.

SgtKevali

of course, that's why Conviction got an 8 rather than perfect 10 :D

But Chaos Theory is better than both of them.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="EZs"]

of course, that's why Conviction got an 8 rather than perfect 10 :D

x8VXU6

But Chaos Theory is better than both of them.

Chaos Theory just has infinitely better stealth gameplay, tbh.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"] MGS4 gameplay is much more immersive with a light, sound meter, health bar, psych meter, camo, alert = bad news, etc. also the story is amazingKevinButlerVP

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] The plot is amazing. The story is crap. Hideo Kojima couldn't tell a story well to save his life.DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"] ok then, how is the story bad?meconate

You didn't counter any of his points.

[QUOTE="meconate"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Where shall I start? The verbal diarrhea that all the characters repeatedly spew, most of which is reminding the player of what they already know, again, and again, and again? 30 minute cutscenes? That is not good storytelling in video games. That is showing someone the story. That works fine in books and movies. In games, you should be allowing the player to interact as much as possible. It rips you out of the immersion completely. The story is overly convoluted. That does not make it complex. It means you as the writer, have failed to tell it well. Use of the same plot devices to explain away everything over and over again (clones, nanomachines, etc). Overuse of plot devices causes them to lose relevance, and it feels contrived. Look, I don't have time to type a 10 page essay on what's wrong with the storytelling in the MGS universe. But anyone who has ever studied writing/storytelling is going to have a major problem with it.SgtKevali

You didn't counter any of his points.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="meconate"] No, MGS does have a good story, does have a good plot and if you can't put up with the cutscenes, why did you play the game in the first place. Any hardcore fan of the MGS series would hate to see any of this being ripped out of the game. Let's be honest, it's got a much better story than most of the games going today. Could I have a good example of a brilliant story in a game?KevinButlerVP

You didn't counter any of his points.

Please read on. You clearly didn't read all of it.

Only a fanboy would say that MGS4 has better gameplay than Conviction. Conviction is miles ahead of MGS4 in the gameplay category (also online)but everything else (story, characters etc.) MGS4 does better.

BURSTIIIFIRE

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"] ok then, how is the story bad?meconate

MGS does have some problems with story telling, I'll give you that. But imo, it is still far better than 99% of stories in video games. Although, that largely has to do with the fact that most videogame stories are filled with plot holes and have little to no character development. The MGS franchise is still my favorite series in terms of story. Some may hate the fact that gameplay comes secondary to the story, but i felt it worked well for what Kojima wanted to accomplish, which in essence is an "interactive movie", and I mean that in a good way.

[QUOTE="meconate"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Where shall I start? The verbal diarrhea that all the characters repeatedly spew, most of which is reminding the player of what they already know, again, and again, and again? 30 minute cutscenes? That is not good storytelling in video games. That is showing someone the story. That works fine in books and movies. In games, you should be allowing the player to interact as much as possible. It rips you out of the immersion completely. The story is overly convoluted. That does not make it complex. It means you as the writer, have failed to tell it well. Use of the same plot devices to explain away everything over and over again (clones, nanomachines, etc). Overuse of plot devices causes them to lose relevance, and it feels contrived. Look, I don't have time to type a 10 page essay on what's wrong with the storytelling in the MGS universe. But anyone who has ever studied writing/storytelling is going to have a major problem with it.DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="meconate"] No, MGS does have a good story, does have a good plot and if you can't put up with the cutscenes, why did you play the game in the first place. Any hardcore fan of the MGS series would hate to see any of this being ripped out of the game. Let's be honest, it's got a much better story than most of the games going today. Could I have a good example of a brilliant story in a game?meconate

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="meconate"] No, MGS does have a good story, does have a good plot and if you can't put up with the cutscenes, why did you play the game in the first place. Any hardcore fan of the MGS series would hate to see any of this being ripped out of the game. Let's be honest, it's got a much better story than most of the games going today. Could I have a good example of a brilliant story in a game?KevinButlerVP

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"] MGS4 gameplay is much more immersive with a light, sound meter, health bar, psych meter, camo, alert = bad news, etc. also the story is amazingKevinButlerVP

eh MGS4 had way too much deus ex machina at every turn, it made a lot of the premise for the finale totally absurd, and Kojima tried way too hard to link everything in the MGS universe, to the point he surpassed George Lucas in the art of "unnecessary storytelling"

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Bad storytelling is bad storytelling. There's no way around it. MGS as a series gets forgiven for things any other game would be crucified for. And just to clarify, you like redundant dialogue? You like 30 minute cutscenes? You think that's good game design? Do you want more people to utilize that? Good stories, huh? Okay: Half-Life series. Bioshock. Halo: Combat Evolved. PlaneScape: Torment. Baldur's Gate 2. Mass Effect. Dragon Age: Origins. The Knights of the Old Republic series. Assassin's Creed. DarkLink77

[QUOTE="telefanatic"]

I dont agree, MGS4 is miles ahead of Conviction.

soapandbubbles