Microsoft and NASA demonstration with the XBONE

http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/13/4427394/xbox-one-developers-team-up-nasa

In a small room tucked away at the back of Microsoft's E3 booth, developers behind the company's upcoming and now controversial Xbox One shared a tech demo created with the aid of NASA in an attempt to push the technical limits of what Microsoft's Geoff Henshaw calls the system's "pure horsepower."

The demo itself is largely the work of programmer Frank Savage who with a team began the experiment with the system by searching for a "giant set of data," says Henshaw. The goal: To see what is possible using the pure computational horsepower of the new console.

"So we went to NASA, because NASA has this really cool database. It has every single celestial body in the inner solar system, including planets, moons, asteroids, comets." says Henshaw. The result is a tech demo simulation of space based on out to 35 thousand light years of data which tracks the position, velocity and orbital trajectory of every single subset of asteroids between Mars and Pluto. Each of the 40,000 asteroids are calculated and rendered, presenting its time and place to a high degree of accuracy."

It's an example of the possibilities of the system, which according to Henshaw includes the ability to feature "10,000 or 100,000 enemies in-game" while maintaining a high level of realism and fluidity in the near-field view by offloading it to the cloud. Comparatively, to get the same result from last-generation consoles it would require "10 and a half Xbox 360 consoles all working in parallel" in terms of computational horsepower, he adds.

"This is how the cloud will change the gaming experience," he says. "If a developer wants to do really crazy stuff we can see how he can map and compute 330,000 asteroids in real-time via global cloud computing. There are 500,000 updates per second from the cloud to Xbox One. Developers tell us this is a miracle for them. Even the highest of highest PCs could not do all of this at once, it really takes global cloud computing resources."

Xbox One makes roughly 100,000 servers available and dozens of data centres for developers to use a number that Henshaw says is likely to grow over time.

"We're just scratching the surface of what can be done," he says.

Awesome little read. Hopefully we can talk about the post and avoid trolling.  :lol:

lol Timbers_WSU threadNengo_Flow

I dont know what to say. Cloud is not really a science rocket technology. Email uses it.

I think you mean NSA. 

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Someone did something I don't care about using a machine I will never buy. Hurrah.

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timbers_WSU

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1 : The number of brain cells in Timber's little head. 

Yo TC, I'm glad to read anything positive about Xbox One at all - just because I figure there have to be some positive things about it. 

"There are 500,000 updates per second from the cloud to Xbox One."

I wonder about this. Even at just 2kilobytes each, that's 1,000,000 kilobytes, or 976meg. Hmm. Way above a typical internet connection. 

What about doing some maths backwards? So if my ADSL2+ connection happens to hit max line speed sustained that's 24mbit/s, or 3 megabytes per second. 

3 megabytes (or 3145728bytes) / 500,000 updates = 6.29bytes per update. I don't know, anyone care to comment on this? Maybe it's right, that could be one variable of a few different types, plus if there were some boolean variables in there they take up piss all footprint, maybe Xbox One could receive 500K variables/s. 

Do you know what MS means with 500K updates per second? I can't really make the numbers they give make sense in terms of real world internet connections - but I accept that my approach might be flawed. 

[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

Well that didn't last long.

XBONE....DAY 1!!!

Jonwh18

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1 : The number of brain cells in Timber's little head. 

[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

Well that didn't last long.

XBONE....DAY 1!!!

Jonwh18

Well that didn't last long.

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 that didn't last long.

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DAY 1!!!

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1 : The number of brain cells in Timber's little head. 

Boom headshot.

Awesome little read. Hopefully we can talk about the post and avoid trolling.  :lol:timbers_WSU

Yeah, I'll bite and talk about your post. Why did you even post it in the first place? It's neither particularly interesting nor relevant in any sort of meaningful way.

Yo TC, I'm glad to read anything positive about Xbox One at all - just because I figure there have to be some positive things about it. 

 

"There are 500,000 updates per second from the cloud to Xbox One."

I wonder about this. Even at just 2kilobytes each, that's 1,000,000 kilobytes, or 976meg. Hmm. Way above a typical internet connection. 

What about doing some maths backwards? So if my ADSL2+ connection happens to hit max line speed sustained that's 24mbit/s, or 3 megabytes per second. 

3 megabytes (or 3145728bytes) / 500,000 updates = 6.29bytes per update. I don't know, anyone care to comment on this? Maybe it's right, that could be one variable of a few different types, plus if there were some boolean variables in there they take up piss all footprint, maybe Xbox One could receive 500K variables/s. 

Do you know what MS means with 500K updates per second? I can't really make the numbers they give make sense in terms of real world internet connections - but I accept that my approach might be flawed. 

psymon100

Nasa use 300.000 microsoft server to stimulate 35.000 light year on space wow that's new ,mean while sony cloud is just pure gimmick for basement dweller :lol:

[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

Well that didn't last long.

XBONE....DAY 1!!!

Jonwh18

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XBONE....DAY 1!!!

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1 : The number of brain cells in Timber's little head. 

1 DAY!! 

Day XBONE1!!

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Yo TC, I'm glad to read anything positive about Xbox One at all - just because I figure there have to be some positive things about it. 

 

"There are 500,000 updates per second from the cloud to Xbox One."

I wonder about this. Even at just 2kilobytes each, that's 1,000,000 kilobytes, or 976meg. Hmm. Way above a typical internet connection. 

What about doing some maths backwards? So if my ADSL2+ connection happens to hit max line speed sustained that's 24mbit/s, or 3 megabytes per second. 

3 megabytes (or 3145728bytes) / 500,000 updates = 6.29bytes per update. I don't know, anyone care to comment on this? Maybe it's right, that could be one variable of a few different types, plus if there were some boolean variables in there they take up piss all footprint, maybe Xbox One could receive 500K variables/s. 

Do you know what MS means with 500K updates per second? I can't really make the numbers they give make sense in terms of real world internet connections - but I accept that my approach might be flawed. 

psymon100

[QUOTE="ninjapirate2000"]

I think you mean NSA. 

Ackad

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

Yo TC, I'm glad to read anything positive about Xbox One at all - just because I figure there have to be some positive things about it. 

 

"There are 500,000 updates per second from the cloud to Xbox One."

I wonder about this. Even at just 2kilobytes each, that's 1,000,000 kilobytes, or 976meg. Hmm. Way above a typical internet connection. 

What about doing some maths backwards? So if my ADSL2+ connection happens to hit max line speed sustained that's 24mbit/s, or 3 megabytes per second. 

3 megabytes (or 3145728bytes) / 500,000 updates = 6.29bytes per update. I don't know, anyone care to comment on this? Maybe it's right, that could be one variable of a few different types, plus if there were some boolean variables in there they take up piss all footprint, maybe Xbox One could receive 500K variables/s. 

Do you know what MS means with 500K updates per second? I can't really make the numbers they give make sense in terms of real world internet connections - but I accept that my approach might be flawed. 

timbers_WSU

So if they don't know how their own policy works how dumb are you for buying their $500 console day 1?

Yo TC, I'm glad to read anything positive about Xbox One at all - just because I figure there have to be some positive things about it. 

 

"There are 500,000 updates per second from the cloud to Xbox One."

I wonder about this. Even at just 2kilobytes each, that's 1,000,000 kilobytes, or 976meg. Hmm. Way above a typical internet connection. 

What about doing some maths backwards? So if my ADSL2+ connection happens to hit max line speed sustained that's 24mbit/s, or 3 megabytes per second. 

3 megabytes (or 3145728bytes) / 500,000 updates = 6.29bytes per update. I don't know, anyone care to comment on this? Maybe it's right, that could be one variable of a few different types, plus if there were some boolean variables in there they take up piss all footprint, maybe Xbox One could receive 500K variables/s. 

Do you know what MS means with 500K updates per second? I can't really make the numbers they give make sense in terms of real world internet connections - but I accept that my approach might be flawed. 

psymon100

[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]lol Timbers_WSU threadNathanDrakeSwag

I think you mean NSA. 

ninjapirate2000

[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]lol Timbers_WSU threadNathanDrakeSwag

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

Yo TC, I'm glad to read anything positive about Xbox One at all - just because I figure there have to be some positive things about it. 

 

"There are 500,000 updates per second from the cloud to Xbox One."

I wonder about this. Even at just 2kilobytes each, that's 1,000,000 kilobytes, or 976meg. Hmm. Way above a typical internet connection. 

What about doing some maths backwards? So if my ADSL2+ connection happens to hit max line speed sustained that's 24mbit/s, or 3 megabytes per second. 

3 megabytes (or 3145728bytes) / 500,000 updates = 6.29bytes per update. I don't know, anyone care to comment on this? Maybe it's right, that could be one variable of a few different types, plus if there were some boolean variables in there they take up piss all footprint, maybe Xbox One could receive 500K variables/s. 

Do you know what MS means with 500K updates per second? I can't really make the numbers they give make sense in terms of real world internet connections - but I accept that my approach might be flawed. 

clyde46

Um, don't know exactly. That's just me taking MS' ... vague statement of Xbox One receiving 500K updates per second and trying to calculate if that's a feasible number.

But I'm confused, it seems that they are saying that just from the cloud, the power of 10 and a half Xbox One's can be delivered through an internet connection? The Xbox One's own power would supplement this?

God. Am I wasting effort here deceiphering what they're saying?

[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]NathanDrakeSwag

[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

Well that didn't last long.

XBONE....DAY 1!!!

Jonwh18

Well that didn't last long.

XBONE....DAY 1!!!

 that didn't last long.

XBONE....DAY 1!!!

 didn't last long.

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last long.

XBONE....DAY 1!!!

DAY 1!!!

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1 : The number of brain cells in Timber's little head. 

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="psymon100"]

Yo TC, I'm glad to read anything positive about Xbox One at all - just because I figure there have to be some positive things about it. 

 

"There are 500,000 updates per second from the cloud to Xbox One."

I wonder about this. Even at just 2kilobytes each, that's 1,000,000 kilobytes, or 976meg. Hmm. Way above a typical internet connection. 

What about doing some maths backwards? So if my ADSL2+ connection happens to hit max line speed sustained that's 24mbit/s, or 3 megabytes per second. 

3 megabytes (or 3145728bytes) / 500,000 updates = 6.29bytes per update. I don't know, anyone care to comment on this? Maybe it's right, that could be one variable of a few different types, plus if there were some boolean variables in there they take up piss all footprint, maybe Xbox One could receive 500K variables/s. 

Do you know what MS means with 500K updates per second? I can't really make the numbers they give make sense in terms of real world internet connections - but I accept that my approach might be flawed. 

psymon100

Um, don't know exactly. That's just me taking MS' ... vague statement of Xbox One receiving 500K updates per second and trying to calculate if that's a feasible number.

But I'm confused, it seems that they are saying that just from the cloud, the power of 10 and a half Xbox One's can be delivered through an internet connection? The Xbox One's own power would supplement this?

God. Am I wasting effort here deceiphering what they're saying?

Your post makes sense. Internet connection has always been the limiting factor in cloud computing, I see no reason why it should suddenly not be a probelm because M$ wishes to implement it. 

Jonwh18

Thank you Jon. 

If I'm reading this right, maybe they have specifically chosen this test as it might totally saturate a ADSL2+ connection. 

But I still feel the cloud is a moot point anyway. Sony, Nintendo, Valve, Ubisoft - anyone could make a game which has local maths supplemented by cloud maths. 

You can always go back to XB1 sucks threads.timbers_WSU

I'd like to hear all the good and bad things about every platform. Then just choose the Commodore 64 anyway. 

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]Your post makes sense. Internet connection has always been the limiting factor in cloud computing, I see no reason why it should suddenly not be a probelm because M$ wishes to implement it. 

psymon100

Thank you Jon. 

If I'm reading this right, maybe they have specifically chosen this test as it might totally saturate a ADSL2+ connection. 

But I still feel the cloud is a moot point anyway. Sony, Nintendo, Valve, Ubisoft - anyone could make a game which has local maths supplemented by cloud maths. 

Ok, well, I don't work for NASA. What can I expect from cloud bullshit as a normal consumer? Nothing?

Nasa use 300.000 microsoft server to stimulate 35.000 light year on space wow that's new ,mean while sony cloud is just pure gimmick for basement dweller :lol:

nyzma23

[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]Awesome little read. Hopefully we can talk about the post and avoid trolling.  :lol:psn8214

Yeah, I'll bite and talk about your post. Why did you even post it in the first place? It's neither particularly interesting nor relevant in any sort of meaningful way.

This reeks of bias.

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]Your post makes sense. Internet connection has always been the limiting factor in cloud computing, I see no reason why it should suddenly not be a probelm because M$ wishes to implement it. 

clyde46

Thank you Jon. 

If I'm reading this right, maybe they have specifically chosen this test as it might totally saturate a ADSL2+ connection. 

But I still feel the cloud is a moot point anyway. Sony, Nintendo, Valve, Ubisoft - anyone could make a game which has local maths supplemented by cloud maths. 

Agreed. Oh well Don Mattrick has a product for those people:

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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]Your post makes sense. Internet connection has always been the limiting factor in cloud computing, I see no reason why it should suddenly not be a probelm because M$ wishes to implement it. 

psymon100

Thank you Jon. 

If I'm reading this right, maybe they have specifically chosen this test as it might totally saturate a ADSL2+ connection. 

But I still feel the cloud is a moot point anyway. Sony, Nintendo, Valve, Ubisoft - anyone could make a game which has local maths supplemented by cloud maths. 

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]Your post makes sense. Internet connection has always been the limiting factor in cloud computing, I see no reason why it should suddenly not be a probelm because M$ wishes to implement it. 

Jonwh18

Thank you Jon. 

If I'm reading this right, maybe they have specifically chosen this test as it might totally saturate a ADSL2+ connection. 

But I still feel the cloud is a moot point anyway. Sony, Nintendo, Valve, Ubisoft - anyone could make a game which has local maths supplemented by cloud maths. 

Intresting topic, though.  I don't know what this means for gaming though. 

Intresting topic, though.  I don't know what this means for gaming though. 

GOGOGOGURT

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

Thank you Jon. 

If I'm reading this right, maybe they have specifically chosen this test as it might totally saturate a ADSL2+ connection. 

But I still feel the cloud is a moot point anyway. Sony, Nintendo, Valve, Ubisoft - anyone could make a game which has local maths supplemented by cloud maths. 

clyde46

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]Your post makes sense. Internet connection has always been the limiting factor in cloud computing, I see no reason why it should suddenly not be a probelm because M$ wishes to implement it. 

Jonwh18

Thank you Jon. 

If I'm reading this right, maybe they have specifically chosen this test as it might totally saturate a ADSL2+ connection. 

But I still feel the cloud is a moot point anyway. Sony, Nintendo, Valve, Ubisoft - anyone could make a game which has local maths supplemented by cloud maths. 

Yeah. That's weird too. 

How much cloud computation is each Xbox one allocated? What happens on launch day of a popular cloud intensive game? Could server load reach 100% and if yes, what happens when another person tries to play? Do they have to queue up or will other people's experience get a little bit compromised? It's pretty weird eh Jon?

For all my criticisms, I do see 'cloud' technology helping games in the future. Especially in games of a very large scope with huge numbers of NPCs or something. But it also could have set backs. I'm open minded about the whole thing. 

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

Thank you Jon. 

If I'm reading this right, maybe they have specifically chosen this test as it might totally saturate a ADSL2+ connection. 

But I still feel the cloud is a moot point anyway. Sony, Nintendo, Valve, Ubisoft - anyone could make a game which has local maths supplemented by cloud maths. 

psymon100

Yeah. That's weird too. 

How much cloud computation is each Xbox one allocated? What happens on launch day of a popular cloud intensive game? Could server load reach 100% and if yes, what happens when another person tries to play? Do they have to queue up or will other people's experience get a little bit compromised? It's pretty weird eh Jon?

For all my criticisms, I do see 'cloud' technology helping games in the future. Especially in games of a very large scope with huge numbers of NPCs or something. But it also could have set backs. I'm open minded about the whole thing. 

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

Thank you Jon. 

If I'm reading this right, maybe they have specifically chosen this test as it might totally saturate a ADSL2+ connection. 

But I still feel the cloud is a moot point anyway. Sony, Nintendo, Valve, Ubisoft - anyone could make a game which has local maths supplemented by cloud maths. 

psymon100

Yeah. That's weird too. 

How much cloud computation is each Xbox one allocated? What happens on launch day of a popular cloud intensive game? Could server load reach 100% and if yes, what happens when another person tries to play? Do they have to queue up or will other people's experience get a little bit compromised? It's pretty weird eh Jon?

For all my criticisms, I do see 'cloud' technology helping games in the future. Especially in games of a very large scope with huge numbers of NPCs or something. But it also could have set backs. I'm open minded about the whole thing.