Microsoft caused the VT shooting

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Trashface

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those ****rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

Wow, that's called a vigilante, and he'd be breaking the law. The fact is guns are not needed by ordinary people, knives and cars are. The only people who should carry guns or even have access to guns are those who are given the right to use them. There's a reason why carrying guns around is illegal, unless you want to make that legal and let everyone have access to guns. But then you'd also have to give them the right to shoot them, and then in what circumstances would shooting a gun be right? Your concept of "responsible people" carrying guns is a bit weird, I thought that was what the police was for, (although some of them aren't exactly "responsible").

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

peacebringer

Peacebringer he has had that sig for a while now.

 

Anyway, are we now in a situation whereby if i decided to kill a few people someone would blame it on the fact i play CS or Gears of Halo? It seems ridiculous that people like JT are almost guessing as to reasons why people kill and presenting it as pure fact. I don't know how much this kid played CS but i'm sure it wasn't the game that made him want to kill. I'm sure it was mainly down to the fact that he felt society had rejected him and he was alone. The game may have fueled the fire slightly but it's down to people causing this tragedy. The same story emerged from Columbine with the kids feeling they had been bullied and belittled by the kids higher in the social ladders at schools but the whole thing was blamed on the game 'Doom'.

 

It just make me so mad to think that people like JT are so narrowminded that they feel they have to launch a vendetta on something we all enjoy. There's not real reasoning behind it, Jacks just a misguided fool.

readingfc_1

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

DrinkDuff

[QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

RedDaemon

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those class rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

this is the excate reason why i belive in carrying a gun in public.

Giving everyone guns does not instantly make them all responsible law-abiding people. There are people with the capacity to kill out there, and the only thing stopping them is having no access to guns.

I mean... do you realize what you're supporting? Or are you some 15-22 year old male who thinks they know what they are talking about.

everyone has the capitcy to kill.

what is there to stop someone lets say like me for example to walk into a movie theater when your watching spiderman 3 and blow your brains out (not saying that i am or not threatening you just proveing a point)

I have a gun and it is not that hard to get one the cold reality is if that situation was real what would you do ? just sit there and die?

if people want to kill people they will do it guns or not also. i could kill more peoplewith my car then i could with a gun.

what i support is giving power to everyone not a select few so people can defnd themselves.

it would have been near impossible for that guy to kill 33 pwoplw and injured 26 more if only 1/4 of them had a gun.

Another thing I find repulsive about that letter is that he says shooters "train" people. I've logged a ton of hours on a ton of different shooters since the tender age of 9 (Wolfenstein), and not only have I never had the urge to shoot anyone, but I'm absolutely sure if I picked up a real Bullpup I still would have no idea how to even load it, let alone turn the safety off and begin killing people. It's unbelievable that this jerk*** is allowed to make such disgusting statements. He should be held accountable for these types of statements. He should stop using tragedy as a means to an end. He is the scum of the earth.

Sheeps, lemmings, cows. We must all put aside our petty squabbles once and for all, and destroy Jack Thompson!

DISCLAIMER: By "destroy", I mean flame and debunk him at length. No physical harm should come to Jack Thompson. No Jack Thompsons were injured in the making of this post.

D_Znuhtz

He's protected by the same freedom of speech as games are. Also, where someone interpreted him saying games trained people as influencing them to kill, I took it as them learning combat skills. I can see games being influential to both, but I only think they can be that persuasive to vulnerable people. Instead of instantly stringing up a noose, put some thought into things. Of course games and forms of media can influence, but it takes a vulnerable person to be influenced to that extent.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hoobinator

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those ****rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

Wow, that's called a vigilante, and he'd be breaking the law. The fact is guns are not needed by ordinary people, knives and cars are. The only people who should carry guns or even have access to guns are those who are given the right to use them. There's a reason why carrying guns around is illegal, unless you want to make that legal and let everyone have access to guns. But then you'd also have to give them the right to shoot them, and then in what circumstances would shooting a gun be right? Your concept of "responsible people" carrying guns is a bit weird, I thought that was what the police was for, (although some of them aren't exactly "responsible").

 

so if you were in those hallways or ****rooms and you had a choice to have a gun or not, you would choose not to have a gun ? so the random kid could blow your head off ?

[QUOTE="RedDaemon"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hadoken_Kid

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those class rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

this is the excate reason why i belive in carrying a gun in public.

Giving everyone guns does not instantly make them all responsible law-abiding people. There are people with the capacity to kill out there, and the only thing stopping them is having no access to guns.

I mean... do you realize what you're supporting? Or are you some 15-22 year old male who thinks they know what they are talking about.

everyone has the capitcy to kill.

what is there to stop someone lets say like me for example to walk into a movie theater when your watching spiderman 3 and blow your brains out (not saying that i am or not threatening you just proveing a point)

I have a gun and it is not that hard to get one the cold reality is if that situation was real what would you do ? just sit there and die?

if people want to kill people they will do it guns or not also. i could kill more peoplewith my car then i could with a gun.

what i support is giving power to everyone not a select few so people can defnd themselves.

it would have been near impossible for that guy to kill 33 pwoplw and injured 26 more if only 1/4 of them had a gun.

So you're saying let everyone have guns and have the right to shoot them? 

Another point is why in America porn and naked woman so oh no. but showing people getting killed is not so bad? isn't making lvoe with a woman something beutifull and killing bad? i rather see porn games now than killing games. But for some reason Porn = devil and killing = Acceptible.peacebringer

You realize some of the sickest gore horror and sickest porn are not American, right? Don't try to act as if it's an American problem. I'll shoot holes all in that theory.

[QUOTE="RedDaemon"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hadoken_Kid

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those class rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

this is the excate reason why i belive in carrying a gun in public.

Giving everyone guns does not instantly make them all responsible law-abiding people. There are people with the capacity to kill out there, and the only thing stopping them is having no access to guns.

I mean... do you realize what you're supporting? Or are you some 15-22 year old male who thinks they know what they are talking about.

everyone has the capitcy to kill.

what is there to stop someone lets say like me for example to walk into a movie theater when your watching spiderman 3 and blow your brains out (not saying that i am or not threatening you just proveing a point)

I have a gun and it is not that hard to get one the cold reality is if that situation was real what would you do ? just sit there and die?

if people want to kill people they will do it guns or not also. i could kill more peoplewith my car then i could with a gun.

what i support is giving power to everyone not a select few so people can defnd themselves.

it would have been near impossible for that guy to kill 33 pwoplw and injured 26 more if only 1/4 of them had a gun.

[QUOTE="peacebringer"]Another point is why in America porn and naked woman so oh no. but showing people getting killed is not so bad? isn't making lvoe with a woman something beutifull and killing bad? i rather see porn games now than killing games. But for some reason Porn = devil and killing = Acceptible.Trashface

You realize some of the sickest gore horror and sickest porn are not American, right? Don't try to act as if it's an American problem. I'll shoot holes all in that theory.

[QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="RedDaemon"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hoobinator

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those class rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

this is the excate reason why i belive in carrying a gun in public.

Giving everyone guns does not instantly make them all responsible law-abiding people. There are people with the capacity to kill out there, and the only thing stopping them is having no access to guns.

I mean... do you realize what you're supporting? Or are you some 15-22 year old male who thinks they know what they are talking about.

everyone has the capitcy to kill.

what is there to stop someone lets say like me for example to walk into a movie theater when your watching spiderman 3 and blow your brains out (not saying that i am or not threatening you just proveing a point)

I have a gun and it is not that hard to get one the cold reality is if that situation was real what would you do ? just sit there and die?

if people want to kill people they will do it guns or not also. i could kill more peoplewith my car then i could with a gun.

what i support is giving power to everyone not a select few so people can defnd themselves.

it would have been near impossible for that guy to kill 33 pwoplw and injured 26 more if only 1/4 of them had a gun.

So you're saying let everyone have guns and have the right to shoot them? 

No one said everyone. Even if you want to use that extreme, if the shooter knew almost everyone at the school was armed, you actually think this would have happened? Even if he tried, he would've probably been killed after firing the first bullett.

We don't have as much of a gun problem in the UK where guns are banned. We do get some small isolated incidents, which are blown up in the media but in comparison to America we don't really have a problem.

A lot of people say if someone really wants to kill they will get a gun, which i agree with. I don't however agree with the fact that everyone should have acces to guns. We would find that people would be shooting people everywhere.

Of course people will always find way around a no gun policy but it significantly reduces the ammount of murders/deaths each year as people will just not find it as easy to kill each other. 

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hadoken_Kid

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those ****rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

Wow, that's called a vigilante, and he'd be breaking the law. The fact is guns are not needed by ordinary people, knives and cars are. The only people who should carry guns or even have access to guns are those who are given the right to use them. There's a reason why carrying guns around is illegal, unless you want to make that legal and let everyone have access to guns. But then you'd also have to give them the right to shoot them, and then in what circumstances would shooting a gun be right? Your concept of "responsible people" carrying guns is a bit weird, I thought that was what the police was for, (although some of them aren't exactly "responsible").

 

so if you were in those hallways or ****rooms and you had a choice to have a gun or not, you would choose not to have a gun ? so the random kid could blow your head off ?

I would want a gun. But the fact remains that if you're gonna open guns to everybody and give them the rght to shoot, then society would start to tear itself apart. Gun crime would rise by astronomical figures, because the guns right there in your possession. One bad incident doesn't need an ad hoc reaction to it, which legalizing guns would be. 

You wanna live in a society where you're under fear of being shot everyday because that would be the stark reality of opening guns for everybody and giving them the right to shoot.

[QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="RedDaemon"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

peacebringer

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those class rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

this is the excate reason why i belive in carrying a gun in public.

Giving everyone guns does not instantly make them all responsible law-abiding people. There are people with the capacity to kill out there, and the only thing stopping them is having no access to guns.

I mean... do you realize what you're supporting? Or are you some 15-22 year old male who thinks they know what they are talking about.

everyone has the capitcy to kill.

what is there to stop someone lets say like me for example to walk into a movie theater when your watching spiderman 3 and blow your brains out (not saying that i am or not threatening you just proveing a point)

I have a gun and it is not that hard to get one the cold reality is if that situation was real what would you do ? just sit there and die?

if people want to kill people they will do it guns or not also. i could kill more peoplewith my car then i could with a gun.

what i support is giving power to everyone not a select few so people can defnd themselves.

it would have been near impossible for that guy to kill 33 pwoplw and injured 26 more if only 1/4 of them had a gun.

So if someone is having a bad day and just decides to run someone over, we should ban vehicles? Road rage, right?

[QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="RedDaemon"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

peacebringer

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those class rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

this is the excate reason why i belive in carrying a gun in public.

Giving everyone guns does not instantly make them all responsible law-abiding people. There are people with the capacity to kill out there, and the only thing stopping them is having no access to guns.

I mean... do you realize what you're supporting? Or are you some 15-22 year old male who thinks they know what they are talking about.

everyone has the capitcy to kill.

what is there to stop someone lets say like me for example to walk into a movie theater when your watching spiderman 3 and blow your brains out (not saying that i am or not threatening you just proveing a point)

I have a gun and it is not that hard to get one the cold reality is if that situation was real what would you do ? just sit there and die?

if people want to kill people they will do it guns or not also. i could kill more peoplewith my car then i could with a gun.

what i support is giving power to everyone not a select few so people can defnd themselves.

it would have been near impossible for that guy to kill 33 pwoplw and injured 26 more if only 1/4 of them had a gun.

then outlaw cars or even pencils or sciccors.  

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="RedDaemon"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Trashface

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those class rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

this is the excate reason why i belive in carrying a gun in public.

Giving everyone guns does not instantly make them all responsible law-abiding people. There are people with the capacity to kill out there, and the only thing stopping them is having no access to guns.

I mean... do you realize what you're supporting? Or are you some 15-22 year old male who thinks they know what they are talking about.

everyone has the capitcy to kill.

what is there to stop someone lets say like me for example to walk into a movie theater when your watching spiderman 3 and blow your brains out (not saying that i am or not threatening you just proveing a point)

I have a gun and it is not that hard to get one the cold reality is if that situation was real what would you do ? just sit there and die?

if people want to kill people they will do it guns or not also. i could kill more peoplewith my car then i could with a gun.

what i support is giving power to everyone not a select few so people can defnd themselves.

it would have been near impossible for that guy to kill 33 pwoplw and injured 26 more if only 1/4 of them had a gun.

So you're saying let everyone have guns and have the right to shoot them?

No one said everyone. Even if you want to use that extreme, if the shooter knew almost everyone at the school was armed, you actually think this would have happened? Even if he tried, he would've probably been killed after firing the first bullett.

So who would get the guns? Responsible citizens picked by the government?? What happens when one of these citizens kills someone by accident or indiscriminately? You gonna punish them all.

The people you allude to are called the police, if you want to increase police presence then just say so.

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="RedDaemon"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hadoken_Kid

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those class rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

this is the excate reason why i belive in carrying a gun in public.

Giving everyone guns does not instantly make them all responsible law-abiding people. There are people with the capacity to kill out there, and the only thing stopping them is having no access to guns.

I mean... do you realize what you're supporting? Or are you some 15-22 year old male who thinks they know what they are talking about.

everyone has the capitcy to kill.

what is there to stop someone lets say like me for example to walk into a movie theater when your watching spiderman 3 and blow your brains out (not saying that i am or not threatening you just proveing a point)

I have a gun and it is not that hard to get one the cold reality is if that situation was real what would you do ? just sit there and die?

if people want to kill people they will do it guns or not also. i could kill more peoplewith my car then i could with a gun.

what i support is giving power to everyone not a select few so people can defnd themselves.

it would have been near impossible for that guy to kill 33 pwoplw and injured 26 more if only 1/4 of them had a gun.

then outlaw cars or even pencils or sciccors.

Pencils and scissors and cars are needed by people, guns are not. A massive clampdown by the government on guns is what is needed, rid them out of society completely. The gun is designed with only one purpose in mind and that is to kill, it does not benefit society in the least.

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

peacebringer

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hoobinator

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those ****rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

Wow, that's called a vigilante, and he'd be breaking the law. The fact is guns are not needed by ordinary people, knives and cars are. The only people who should carry guns or even have access to guns are those who are given the right to use them. There's a reason why carrying guns around is illegal, unless you want to make that legal and let everyone have access to guns. But then you'd also have to give them the right to shoot them, and then in what circumstances would shooting a gun be right? Your concept of "responsible people" carrying guns is a bit weird, I thought that was what the police was for, (although some of them aren't exactly "responsible").

Actually, with a license, carrying guns is perfectly legal, it just wasn't in this school. Vigilante? Who cares. It would have saved lives. Is this not what's important? Normal people have plenty use for guns. I have a .45. If someone tries to force their way into my house, it could just save my life. If I were a theif or murderer, I'd love the idea of gun control. I could get my illegal weapon and rest assured that my victims would probably have no defense.

I didn't know CounterStrike is an M$ game :?

Jack Thompson is so full of ####....... 

[QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hoobinator

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those ****rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

Wow, that's called a vigilante, and he'd be breaking the law. The fact is guns are not needed by ordinary people, knives and cars are. The only people who should carry guns or even have access to guns are those who are given the right to use them. There's a reason why carrying guns around is illegal, unless you want to make that legal and let everyone have access to guns. But then you'd also have to give them the right to shoot them, and then in what circumstances would shooting a gun be right? Your concept of "responsible people" carrying guns is a bit weird, I thought that was what the police was for, (although some of them aren't exactly "responsible").

 

so if you were in those hallways or ****rooms and you had a choice to have a gun or not, you would choose not to have a gun ? so the random kid could blow your head off ?

I would want a gun. But the fact remains that if you're gonna open guns to everybody and give them the rght to shoot, then society would start to tear itself apart. Gun crime would rise by astronomical figures, because the guns right there in your possession. One bad incident doesn't need an ad hoc reaction to it, which legalizing guns would be.

You wanna live in a society where you're under fear of being shot everyday because that would be the stark reality of opening guns for everybody and giving them the right to shoot.

you wanna live in a society where you have no way to defend yourself ?

when you get mugged, shot, rapped, or even worse i bet you would have changed your mind. 

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="RedDaemon"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hadoken_Kid

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those class rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

this is the excate reason why i belive in carrying a gun in public.

Giving everyone guns does not instantly make them all responsible law-abiding people. There are people with the capacity to kill out there, and the only thing stopping them is having no access to guns.

I mean... do you realize what you're supporting? Or are you some 15-22 year old male who thinks they know what they are talking about.

everyone has the capitcy to kill.

what is there to stop someone lets say like me for example to walk into a movie theater when your watching spiderman 3 and blow your brains out (not saying that i am or not threatening you just proveing a point)

I have a gun and it is not that hard to get one the cold reality is if that situation was real what would you do ? just sit there and die?

if people want to kill people they will do it guns or not also. i could kill more peoplewith my car then i could with a gun.

what i support is giving power to everyone not a select few so people can defnd themselves.

it would have been near impossible for that guy to kill 33 pwoplw and injured 26 more if only 1/4 of them had a gun.

then outlaw cars or even pencils or sciccors.

TLHBO!ParasiteEveLust

you wanna live in a society where you have no way to defend yourself ?

when you get mugged, shot, rapped, or even worse i bet you would have changed your mind.

Hadoken_Kid

[QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="RedDaemon"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hoobinator

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those class rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

this is the excate reason why i belive in carrying a gun in public.

Giving everyone guns does not instantly make them all responsible law-abiding people. There are people with the capacity to kill out there, and the only thing stopping them is having no access to guns.

I mean... do you realize what you're supporting? Or are you some 15-22 year old male who thinks they know what they are talking about.

everyone has the capitcy to kill.

what is there to stop someone lets say like me for example to walk into a movie theater when your watching spiderman 3 and blow your brains out (not saying that i am or not threatening you just proveing a point)

I have a gun and it is not that hard to get one the cold reality is if that situation was real what would you do ? just sit there and die?

if people want to kill people they will do it guns or not also. i could kill more peoplewith my car then i could with a gun.

what i support is giving power to everyone not a select few so people can defnd themselves.

it would have been near impossible for that guy to kill 33 pwoplw and injured 26 more if only 1/4 of them had a gun.

then outlaw cars or even pencils or sciccors.

Pencils and scissors and cars are needed by people, guns are not. A massive clampdown by the government on guns is what is needed, rid them out of society completely. The gun is designed with only one purpose in mind and that is to kill, it does not benefit society in the least.

guns are needed by people, if the goverment took away all guns legally from civilan hands. the miltary and police would still carry them and people would get them ileaglly anyway. you would only weaken our society.

lookat russia is thier less crime in russia then america, NO. does the govt outlaw weapons there yes.

[QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"]

you wanna live in a society where you have no way to defend yourself ?

when you get mugged, shot, rapped, or even worse i bet you would have changed your mind.

Zhengi

same but that will never happen. 

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Trashface

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those class rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hadoken_Kid

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those ****rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

Wow, that's called a vigilante, and he'd be breaking the law. The fact is guns are not needed by ordinary people, knives and cars are. The only people who should carry guns or even have access to guns are those who are given the right to use them. There's a reason why carrying guns around is illegal, unless you want to make that legal and let everyone have access to guns. But then you'd also have to give them the right to shoot them, and then in what circumstances would shooting a gun be right? Your concept of "responsible people" carrying guns is a bit weird, I thought that was what the police was for, (although some of them aren't exactly "responsible").

 

so if you were in those hallways or ****rooms and you had a choice to have a gun or not, you would choose not to have a gun ? so the random kid could blow your head off ?

I would want a gun. But the fact remains that if you're gonna open guns to everybody and give them the rght to shoot, then society would start to tear itself apart. Gun crime would rise by astronomical figures, because the guns right there in your possession. One bad incident doesn't need an ad hoc reaction to it, which legalizing guns would be.

You wanna live in a society where you're under fear of being shot everyday because that would be the stark reality of opening guns for everybody and giving them the right to shoot.

you wanna live in a society where you have no way to defend yourself ?

when you get mugged, shot, rapped, or even worse i bet you would have changed your mind.

giving everyone a gun is not the answer.. 

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hadoken_Kid

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those ****rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

Wow, that's called a vigilante, and he'd be breaking the law. The fact is guns are not needed by ordinary people, knives and cars are. The only people who should carry guns or even have access to guns are those who are given the right to use them. There's a reason why carrying guns around is illegal, unless you want to make that legal and let everyone have access to guns. But then you'd also have to give them the right to shoot them, and then in what circumstances would shooting a gun be right? Your concept of "responsible people" carrying guns is a bit weird, I thought that was what the police was for, (although some of them aren't exactly "responsible").

 

so if you were in those hallways or ****rooms and you had a choice to have a gun or not, you would choose not to have a gun ? so the random kid could blow your head off ?

I would want a gun. But the fact remains that if you're gonna open guns to everybody and give them the rght to shoot, then society would start to tear itself apart. Gun crime would rise by astronomical figures, because the guns right there in your possession. One bad incident doesn't need an ad hoc reaction to it, which legalizing guns would be.

You wanna live in a society where you're under fear of being shot everyday because that would be the stark reality of opening guns for everybody and giving them the right to shoot.

you wanna live in a society where you have no way to defend yourself ?

when you get mugged, shot, rapped, or even worse i bet you would have changed your mind.

There are plety of sociieties where guns are extremely difficult to come by and they manage to continue along just fine. Maybe you should cut down on the sensationalism. 

I do live in a society where guns are extremely hard to come by, the UK. And if by your retort everyone in the US walks around carrying a gun I'm not suprised you have so many shootings. 

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hadoken_Kid

You have to admitit's alot tougher to kill 33 armed people then unarmed people.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Trashface

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those ****rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

Wow, that's called a vigilante, and he'd be breaking the law. The fact is guns are not needed by ordinary people, knives and cars are. The only people who should carry guns or even have access to guns are those who are given the right to use them. There's a reason why carrying guns around is illegal, unless you want to make that legal and let everyone have access to guns. But then you'd also have to give them the right to shoot them, and then in what circumstances would shooting a gun be right? Your concept of "responsible people" carrying guns is a bit weird, I thought that was what the police was for, (although some of them aren't exactly "responsible").

Actually, with a license, carrying guns is perfectly legal, it just wasn't in this school. Vigilante? Who cares. It would have saved lives. Is this not what's important? Normal people have plenty use for guns. I have a .45. If someone tries to force their way into my house, it could just save my life. If I were a theif or murderer, I'd love the idea of gun control. I could get my illegal weapon and rest assured that my victims would probably have no defense.

that is what i am talking about gun control only helps those who would break the laws. 

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"]

you wanna live in a society where you have no way to defend yourself ?

when you get mugged, shot, rapped, or even worse i bet you would have changed your mind.

Hadoken_Kid

same but that will never happen.

[QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hoobinator

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those ****rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

Wow, that's called a vigilante, and he'd be breaking the law. The fact is guns are not needed by ordinary people, knives and cars are. The only people who should carry guns or even have access to guns are those who are given the right to use them. There's a reason why carrying guns around is illegal, unless you want to make that legal and let everyone have access to guns. But then you'd also have to give them the right to shoot them, and then in what circumstances would shooting a gun be right? Your concept of "responsible people" carrying guns is a bit weird, I thought that was what the police was for, (although some of them aren't exactly "responsible").

 

so if you were in those hallways or ****rooms and you had a choice to have a gun or not, you would choose not to have a gun ? so the random kid could blow your head off ?

I would want a gun. But the fact remains that if you're gonna open guns to everybody and give them the rght to shoot, then society would start to tear itself apart. Gun crime would rise by astronomical figures, because the guns right there in your possession. One bad incident doesn't need an ad hoc reaction to it, which legalizing guns would be.

You wanna live in a society where you're under fear of being shot everyday because that would be the stark reality of opening guns for everybody and giving them the right to shoot.

you wanna live in a society where you have no way to defend yourself ?

when you get mugged, shot, rapped, or even worse i bet you would have changed your mind.

There are plety of sociieties where guns are extremely difficult to come by and they manage to continue along just fine. Maybe you should cut down on the sensationalism. 

I do live in a society where guns are extremely hard to come by, the UK. And if by your retort everyone in the US walks around carrying a gun I'm not suprised you have so many shootings. 

You live in the UK? Then you've probably heard in the news about Blair's comments. Gun and knife violence is increasing and becoming  a real problem in the UK. But wait, aren't guns outlawed? I can quote the news clip and link it if I really have to.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="RedDaemon"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hadoken_Kid

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those class rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

this is the excate reason why i belive in carrying a gun in public.

Giving everyone guns does not instantly make them all responsible law-abiding people. There are people with the capacity to kill out there, and the only thing stopping them is having no access to guns.

I mean... do you realize what you're supporting? Or are you some 15-22 year old male who thinks they know what they are talking about.

everyone has the capitcy to kill.

what is there to stop someone lets say like me for example to walk into a movie theater when your watching spiderman 3 and blow your brains out (not saying that i am or not threatening you just proveing a point)

I have a gun and it is not that hard to get one the cold reality is if that situation was real what would you do ? just sit there and die?

if people want to kill people they will do it guns or not also. i could kill more peoplewith my car then i could with a gun.

what i support is giving power to everyone not a select few so people can defnd themselves.

it would have been near impossible for that guy to kill 33 pwoplw and injured 26 more if only 1/4 of them had a gun.

then outlaw cars or even pencils or sciccors.

Pencils and scissors and cars are needed by people, guns are not. A massive clampdown by the government on guns is what is needed, rid them out of society completely. The gun is designed with only one purpose in mind and that is to kill, it does not benefit society in the least.

guns are needed by people, if the goverment took away all guns legally from civilan hands. the miltary and police would still carry them and people would get them ileaglly anyway. you would only weaken our society.

lookat russia is thier less crime in russia then america, NO. does the govt outlaw weapons there yes.

Oh you want to play the comparison game. EU nations have outlawed guns over a century ago, maybe if the US followed the EU example it would have less gun crime... NO? 

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Trashface

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those ****rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

Wow, that's called a vigilante, and he'd be breaking the law. The fact is guns are not needed by ordinary people, knives and cars are. The only people who should carry guns or even have access to guns are those who are given the right to use them. There's a reason why carrying guns around is illegal, unless you want to make that legal and let everyone have access to guns. But then you'd also have to give them the right to shoot them, and then in what circumstances would shooting a gun be right? Your concept of "responsible people" carrying guns is a bit weird, I thought that was what the police was for, (although some of them aren't exactly "responsible").

 

so if you were in those hallways or ****rooms and you had a choice to have a gun or not, you would choose not to have a gun ? so the random kid could blow your head off ?

I would want a gun. But the fact remains that if you're gonna open guns to everybody and give them the rght to shoot, then society would start to tear itself apart. Gun crime would rise by astronomical figures, because the guns right there in your possession. One bad incident doesn't need an ad hoc reaction to it, which legalizing guns would be.

You wanna live in a society where you're under fear of being shot everyday because that would be the stark reality of opening guns for everybody and giving them the right to shoot.

you wanna live in a society where you have no way to defend yourself ?

when you get mugged, shot, rapped, or even worse i bet you would have changed your mind.

There are plety of sociieties where guns are extremely difficult to come by and they manage to continue along just fine. Maybe you should cut down on the sensationalism.

I do live in a society where guns are extremely hard to come by, the UK. And if by your retort everyone in the US walks around carrying a gun I'm not suprised you have so many shootings.

You live in the UK? Then you've probably heard in the news about Blair's comments. Gun and knife violence is increasing and becoming a real problem in the UK. But wait, aren't guns outlawed? I can quote the news clip and link it if I really have to.

Gun crime is on the increase, but still small time compared to the US. It's all relative little boy, you must understand that. The UK historically has had low gun crime numbers so any increase is going to be looked harshly upon. Whereas in the US small increases don't matter it's an accepted thing.

Get your facts right. 

then outlaw cars or even pencils or sciccors.  

Ok seriously.  Do you understand what you are suggesting?  Cars, pencils, or sciccors are not the topic.  We have car fatalities every day and even some murders using various objects.  THOSE ARE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS THAT MUST BE SOLVED SEPERATELY.

We are talking about GUNS and their effect in society.  You cannot associate other issues and use that to justify another issue.  It's like using a negative to justify another negative while disregarding the effects.

If you came up to me and shot me in the head: how did you get that gun?  If you tighten gun laws, wouldn't it be harder for you to have that gun in the first place?  Sure bring up the Black Market, but do you realize: that the Black Market is actually a lot harder to access than most people think.  Want to know why?  It's illegal.  There are so many dummy sellers out there as well as scanners who pick up sales through various chennels.  Want to know what happens then?  You get arressted, big time.

Now if you came up to me, behind me and shot me in the head.  How would I have been able to prevent that if I was unaware of it.  What good with the gun do me then?  Seriously you're not thinking about this enough.

How old are you?

[QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"]

you wanna live in a society where you have no way to defend yourself ?

when you get mugged, shot, rapped, or even worse i bet you would have changed your mind.

peacebringer

same but that will never happen.

so rampart child porn in europe and, molestion and rape on city trains in japan is peacefull ? 

[QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="RedDaemon"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hoobinator

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those class rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

this is the excate reason why i belive in carrying a gun in public.

Giving everyone guns does not instantly make them all responsible law-abiding people. There are people with the capacity to kill out there, and the only thing stopping them is having no access to guns.

I mean... do you realize what you're supporting? Or are you some 15-22 year old male who thinks they know what they are talking about.

everyone has the capitcy to kill.

what is there to stop someone lets say like me for example to walk into a movie theater when your watching spiderman 3 and blow your brains out (not saying that i am or not threatening you just proveing a point)

I have a gun and it is not that hard to get one the cold reality is if that situation was real what would you do ? just sit there and die?

if people want to kill people they will do it guns or not also. i could kill more peoplewith my car then i could with a gun.

what i support is giving power to everyone not a select few so people can defnd themselves.

it would have been near impossible for that guy to kill 33 pwoplw and injured 26 more if only 1/4 of them had a gun.

then outlaw cars or even pencils or sciccors.

Pencils and scissors and cars are needed by people, guns are not. A massive clampdown by the government on guns is what is needed, rid them out of society completely. The gun is designed with only one purpose in mind and that is to kill, it does not benefit society in the least.

guns are needed by people, if the goverment took away all guns legally from civilan hands. the miltary and police would still carry them and people would get them ileaglly anyway. you would only weaken our society.

lookat russia is thier less crime in russia then america, NO. does the govt outlaw weapons there yes.

Oh you want to play the comparison game. EU nations have outlawed guns over a century ago, maybe if the US followed the EU example it would have less gun crime... NO? 

And in the Wild West when basically anyone could carry weapons, crime rate was lower in America. I'm glad you're helping me make my point. The problem is not a lack of gun control, it's a current cultural problem that's spreading. You'll see.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hadoken_Kid

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those ****rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

Wow, that's called a vigilante, and he'd be breaking the law. The fact is guns are not needed by ordinary people, knives and cars are. The only people who should carry guns or even have access to guns are those who are given the right to use them. There's a reason why carrying guns around is illegal, unless you want to make that legal and let everyone have access to guns. But then you'd also have to give them the right to shoot them, and then in what circumstances would shooting a gun be right? Your concept of "responsible people" carrying guns is a bit weird, I thought that was what the police was for, (although some of them aren't exactly "responsible").

Actually, with a license, carrying guns is perfectly legal, it just wasn't in this school. Vigilante? Who cares. It would have saved lives. Is this not what's important? Normal people have plenty use for guns. I have a .45. If someone tries to force their way into my house, it could just save my life. If I were a theif or murderer, I'd love the idea of gun control. I could get my illegal weapon and rest assured that my victims would probably have no defense.

that is what i am talking about gun control only helps those who would break the laws.

RedDaemon

then outlaw cars or even pencils or sciccors.

Ok seriously. Do you understand what you are suggesting? Cars, pencils, or sciccors are not the topic. We have car fatalities every day and even some murders using various objects. THOSE ARE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS THAT MUST BE SOLVED SEPERATELY.

We are talking about GUNS and their effect in society. You cannot associate other issues and use that to justify another issue. It's like using a negative to justify another negative while disregarding the effects.

If you came up to me and shot me in the head: how did you get that gun? If you tighten gun laws, wouldn't it be harder for you to have that gun in the first place? Sure bring up the Black Market, but do you realize: that the Black Market is actually a lot harder to access than most people think. Want to know why? It's illegal. There are so many dummy sellers out there as well as scanners who pick up sales through various chennels. Want to know what happens then? You get arressted, big time.

Now if you came up to me, behind me and shot me in the head. How would I have been able to prevent that if I was unaware of it. What good with the gun do me then? Seriously you're not thinking about this enough.

How old are you?

dont try to bring up age as in trying to insult someone for there belives.

I am old enough to hae a license for my weapons and i can carry them.  

GL to you and your family or future family and i hope no harm comes apon them because they couldnt defend themselves. 

[QUOTE="RedDaemon"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"]

then outlaw cars or even pencils or sciccors.

Hadoken_Kid

Ok seriously. Do you understand what you are suggesting? Cars, pencils, or sciccors are not the topic. We have car fatalities every day and even some murders using various objects. THOSE ARE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS THAT MUST BE SOLVED SEPERATELY.

We are talking about GUNS and their effect in society. You cannot associate other issues and use that to justify another issue. It's like using a negative to justify another negative while disregarding the effects.

If you came up to me and shot me in the head: how did you get that gun? If you tighten gun laws, wouldn't it be harder for you to have that gun in the first place? Sure bring up the Black Market, but do you realize: that the Black Market is actually a lot harder to access than most people think. Want to know why? It's illegal. There are so many dummy sellers out there as well as scanners who pick up sales through various chennels. Want to know what happens then? You get arressted, big time.

Now if you came up to me, behind me and shot me in the head. How would I have been able to prevent that if I was unaware of it. What good with the gun do me then? Seriously you're not thinking about this enough.

How old are you?

dont try to bring up age as in trying to insult someone for there belives.

I am old enough to hae a license for my weapons and i can carry them.

GL to you and your family or future family and i hope no harm comes apon them because they couldnt defend themselves.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Hadoken_Kid

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those class rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

this is the excate reason why i belive in carrying a gun in public.

And you don't see how that contributes to the problem? Arming everyone arms the psychopaths and the morons too. 

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="RedDaemon"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Trashface

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those class rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

this is the excate reason why i belive in carrying a gun in public.

Giving everyone guns does not instantly make them all responsible law-abiding people. There are people with the capacity to kill out there, and the only thing stopping them is having no access to guns.

I mean... do you realize what you're supporting? Or are you some 15-22 year old male who thinks they know what they are talking about.

everyone has the capitcy to kill.

what is there to stop someone lets say like me for example to walk into a movie theater when your watching spiderman 3 and blow your brains out (not saying that i am or not threatening you just proveing a point)

I have a gun and it is not that hard to get one the cold reality is if that situation was real what would you do ? just sit there and die?

if people want to kill people they will do it guns or not also. i could kill more peoplewith my car then i could with a gun.

what i support is giving power to everyone not a select few so people can defnd themselves.

it would have been near impossible for that guy to kill 33 pwoplw and injured 26 more if only 1/4 of them had a gun.

then outlaw cars or even pencils or sciccors.

Pencils and scissors and cars are needed by people, guns are not. A massive clampdown by the government on guns is what is needed, rid them out of society completely. The gun is designed with only one purpose in mind and that is to kill, it does not benefit society in the least.

guns are needed by people, if the goverment took away all guns legally from civilan hands. the miltary and police would still carry them and people would get them ileaglly anyway. you would only weaken our society.

lookat russia is thier less crime in russia then america, NO. does the govt outlaw weapons there yes.

Oh you want to play the comparison game. EU nations have outlawed guns over a century ago, maybe if the US followed the EU example it would have less gun crime... NO?

And in the Wild West when basically anyone could carry weapons, crime rate was lower in America. I'm glad you're helping me make my point. The problem is not a lack of gun control, it's a current cultural problem that's spreading. You'll see.

It is a cultural one mixed with easy access to guns, makes for the US predicament you're in today. As long as you think guns aren't one of the problems there will always be shootings like we've seen in the US recently.

It's nice to see american arms companies making a nice profit selling to home and international buyers. One of the reasons why there will be no banning of guns in the US, too many US companies make huge amounts of money out of it. 

[QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

peacebringer

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those ****rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

Wow, that's called a vigilante, and he'd be breaking the law. The fact is guns are not needed by ordinary people, knives and cars are. The only people who should carry guns or even have access to guns are those who are given the right to use them. There's a reason why carrying guns around is illegal, unless you want to make that legal and let everyone have access to guns. But then you'd also have to give them the right to shoot them, and then in what circumstances would shooting a gun be right? Your concept of "responsible people" carrying guns is a bit weird, I thought that was what the police was for, (although some of them aren't exactly "responsible").

Actually, with a license, carrying guns is perfectly legal, it just wasn't in this school. Vigilante? Who cares. It would have saved lives. Is this not what's important? Normal people have plenty use for guns. I have a .45. If someone tries to force their way into my house, it could just save my life. If I were a theif or murderer, I'd love the idea of gun control. I could get my illegal weapon and rest assured that my victims would probably have no defense.

that is what i am talking about gun control only helps those who would break the laws.

What about the cultist gas bombing in an Asian subway? What about all the suicide bombers? No guns. 911 hijacking, no guns. As I said, in the wild west when guns were legal and plentiful, crime rates were lower. Your logic is just wrong. Yes he lied and said it was for protection, but any system will have flaws. There are people with drivers licenses that probably shouldn't have them. This kid wanted to kill. Do you have any idea what the true problem and cause of this is? It's surely not guns. That's almost as silly as saying video games caused it.

[QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="RedDaemon"]

peacebringer

then outlaw cars or even pencils or sciccors.

Ok seriously. Do you understand what you are suggesting? Cars, pencils, or sciccors are not the topic. We have car fatalities every day and even some murders using various objects. THOSE ARE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS THAT MUST BE SOLVED SEPERATELY.

We are talking about GUNS and their effect in society. You cannot associate other issues and use that to justify another issue. It's like using a negative to justify another negative while disregarding the effects.

If you came up to me and shot me in the head: how did you get that gun? If you tighten gun laws, wouldn't it be harder for you to have that gun in the first place? Sure bring up the Black Market, but do you realize: that the Black Market is actually a lot harder to access than most people think. Want to know why? It's illegal. There are so many dummy sellers out there as well as scanners who pick up sales through various chennels. Want to know what happens then? You get arressted, big time.

Now if you came up to me, behind me and shot me in the head. How would I have been able to prevent that if I was unaware of it. What good with the gun do me then? Seriously you're not thinking about this enough.

How old are you?

dont try to bring up age as in trying to insult someone for there belives.

I am old enough to hae a license for my weapons and i can carry them.

GL to you and your family or future family and i hope no harm comes apon them because they couldnt defend themselves.

but it increases my chance of surrival, maybe when you are attacked someday you will understand. and acutally i dont play shooters. i have a gun for protection and i believe every home should. if not everyone should carry one in public fine but i belive it is nesicarry for every home to have it. 

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Trashface

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those ****rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

Wow, that's called a vigilante, and he'd be breaking the law. The fact is guns are not needed by ordinary people, knives and cars are. The only people who should carry guns or even have access to guns are those who are given the right to use them. There's a reason why carrying guns around is illegal, unless you want to make that legal and let everyone have access to guns. But then you'd also have to give them the right to shoot them, and then in what circumstances would shooting a gun be right? Your concept of "responsible people" carrying guns is a bit weird, I thought that was what the police was for, (although some of them aren't exactly "responsible").

Actually, with a license, carrying guns is perfectly legal, it just wasn't in this school. Vigilante? Who cares. It would have saved lives. Is this not what's important? Normal people have plenty use for guns. I have a .45. If someone tries to force their way into my house, it could just save my life. If I were a theif or murderer, I'd love the idea of gun control. I could get my illegal weapon and rest assured that my victims would probably have no defense.

that is what i am talking about gun control only helps those who would break the laws.

What about the cultist gas bombing in an Asian subway? What about all the suicide bombers? No guns. 911 hijacking, no guns. As I said, in the wild west when guns were legal and plentiful, crime rates were lower. Your logic is just wrong. Yes he lied and said it was for protection, but any system will have flaws. There are people with drivers licenses that probably shouldn't have them. This kid wanted to kill. Do you have any idea what the true problem and cause of this is? It's surely not guns. That's almost as silly as saying video games caused it.

Give me a link to the Wild West crime rates. I would like to see myself. I'm pretty sure that in absolute terms they may have been lower, with the smaller populations, but gun shootings were still probably quite high.

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Hadoken_Kid"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

At least he's the only one making assumptions like that this time. Everyone else is whining about gun control. Almost as stupid.

Take away legal use of guns, and people still have all sorts of blades, blunt objects, and of course, their bare hands to kill someone with. OMGZ ban teh hands!!!

Trashface

And getting in a car and driving down the sidewalk of a city is easier than pulling a trigger and will probably maim and kill more. Should we outlaw vehincles? No. It is not a gun control issue. It could actually be used to make a case for more lax gun control. If a responsible gun owner with a concealed carrying license was armed in one of those ****rooms, the shooter would have had a much harder time. If you could freeze time and put a gun in one of those students hands before they were shot, would you? I hope so.

Wow, that's called a vigilante, and he'd be breaking the law. The fact is guns are not needed by ordinary people, knives and cars are. The only people who should carry guns or even have access to guns are those who are given the right to use them. There's a reason why carrying guns around is illegal, unless you want to make that legal and let everyone have access to guns. But then you'd also have to give them the right to shoot them, and then in what circumstances would shooting a gun be right? Your concept of "responsible people" carrying guns is a bit weird, I thought that was what the police was for, (although some of them aren't exactly "responsible").

Actually, with a license, carrying guns is perfectly legal, it just wasn't in this school. Vigilante? Who cares. It would have saved lives. Is this not what's important? Normal people have plenty use for guns. I have a .45. If someone tries to force their way into my house, it could just save my life. If I were a theif or murderer, I'd love the idea of gun control. I could get my illegal weapon and rest assured that my victims would probably have no defense.

that is what i am talking about gun control only helps those who would break the laws.

What about the cultist gas bombing in an Asian subway? What about all the suicide bombers? No guns. 911 hijacking, no guns. As I said, in the wild west when guns were legal and plentiful, crime rates were lower. Your logic is just wrong. Yes he lied and said it was for protection, but any system will have flaws. There are people with drivers licenses that probably shouldn't have them. This kid wanted to kill. Do you have any idea what the true problem and cause of this is? It's surely not guns. That's almost as silly as saying video games caused it.

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