Microsoft exclusive developers not talent at all when it comes to push the 360.

Doesn't really matter to me. I'm happy as long as they keep on making great games. killerfist

Well....epic is not exclusives and it pushes it very near the edge. Anyway m$ are saving money by not investing as much in developing new engines :P Al3x_n90

[QUOTE="killerfist"]Doesn't really matter to me. I'm happy as long as they keep on making great games. McdonaIdsGuy

To show what the 360 can do? Alrightyyyyyyy then. Remember this buddy, you got lied to about the power. It;s sad but the best the 360 can do is well....Gears 2, which is a wonderful game in its own right. Of course you could make a new game engine for 360 games, but they will not be as good as the unreal engine, I promise you that. I'll be looking forward to well a game that ends with a 2. I've been turned in for posts a lot less than this so feel free to take it as you wish.gamewhat

[QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]Well....epic is not exclusives and it pushes it very near the edge. Anyway m$ are saving money by not investing as much in developing new engines :P McdonaIdsGuy

Oh man come on consoles aren't that strong. What would you expect?

yeh, kind of disappointing just thinking about all the missed potential here. Whats even more disappointing is that I cant even name MS 1st party developers...literally all the visual gems were pumped out by third parties..Gears of War, Lost odyssey, etc. IshmaelSonata

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"][QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]Well....epic is not exclusives and it pushes it very near the edge. Anyway m$ are saving money by not investing as much in developing new engines :P Al3x_n90

Oh man come on consoles aren't that strong. What would you expect?

To show what the 360 can do? Alrightyyyyyyy then. Remember this buddy, you got lied to about the power. It;s sad but the best the 360 can do is well....Gears 2, which is a wonderful game in its own right. Of course you could make a new game engine for 360 games, but they will not be as good as the unreal engine, I promise you that. I'll be looking forward to well a game that ends with a 2. I've been turned in for posts a lot less than this so feel free to take it as you wish.gamewhat

[QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"] Epic haven't push anything yet.killerfist

Oh man come on consoles aren't that strong. What would you expect?

*gasp* from the 360? what on low at 400x600? lulz

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]

Oh man come on consoles aren't that strong. What would you expect?

Al3x_n90

*gasp* from the 360? what on low at 400x600? lulz

[QUOTE="gamewhat"]To show what the 360 can do? Alrightyyyyyyy then. Remember this buddy, you got lied to about the power. It;s sad but the best the 360 can do is well....Gears 2, which is a wonderful game in its own right. Of course you could make a new game engine for 360 games, but they will not be as good as the unreal engine, I promise you that. I'll be looking forward to well a game that ends with a 2. I've been turned in for posts a lot less than this so feel free to take it as you wish.Timbury

[QUOTE="gamewhat"]To show what the 360 can do? Alrightyyyyyyy then. Remember this buddy, you got lied to about the power. It;s sad but the best the 360 can do is well....Gears 2, which is a wonderful game in its own right. Of course you could make a new game engine for 360 games, but they will not be as good as the unreal engine, I promise you that. I'll be looking forward to well a game that ends with a 2. I've been turned in for posts a lot less than this so feel free to take it as you wish.McdonaIdsGuy

Oh really, lol. Sorry bro but this isn't 2006 anymore, and ...hmmmm..... well some things are already dated and out of **** Why is it then that unreal 3 games are better on the 360 than the ps3. It's because that engine fits the 360 perfectly just like conventional pc hardware (which the 360 is right?). Ask yourself this. WHy is it that games like MGS4, Uncharted, and yes the game that ends up with a 2 at the end are vastly superior in every aspect? I won't tell you but when that next xbox comes out (sounds yummy doesnt it) you will find out why. You will find out that what everyone was trying to tell you was the 360 was easier to develop for, not that it was just as powerful or more powerful, there is a reason why ps3 exclusives make 360 games look dated. Personally though bro it doesn't matter that the PS3 can pull off games like killzone2 or mgs4 with ease (ps3 only uses 40 to 60 percent of its power for killzone2) but is what matters is the games and the online service which is better on the 360. Ps3 will never have games like crackdown so why all the sadness about power or graphics? It will never happen on the 360. Once again take it as you wish, but remember this don't say I told you so.

[QUOTE="Al3x_n90"][QUOTE="killerfist"] Crysis2? ;)killerfist

*gasp* from the 360? what on low at 400x600? lulz

Oh silly me, i forgot that the 360 had technology 50 years from the future :P it can do 16X AA at 4000p :D

[QUOTE="gamewhat"]To show what the 360 can do? Alrightyyyyyyy then. Remember this buddy, you got lied to about the power. It;s sad but the best the 360 can do is well....Gears 2, which is a wonderful game in its own right. Of course you could make a new game engine for 360 games, but they will not be as good as the unreal engine, I promise you that. I'll be looking forward to well a game that ends with a 2. I've been turned in for posts a lot less than this so feel free to take it as you wish.Timbury

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"][QUOTE="gamewhat"]To show what the 360 can do? Alrightyyyyyyy then. Remember this buddy, you got lied to about the power. It;s sad but the best the 360 can do is well....Gears 2, which is a wonderful game in its own right. Of course you could make a new game engine for 360 games, but they will not be as good as the unreal engine, I promise you that. I'll be looking forward to well a game that ends with a 2. I've been turned in for posts a lot less than this so feel free to take it as you wish.gamewhat

Oh really, lol. Sorry bro but this isn't 2006 anymore, and ...hmmmm..... well some things are already dated and out of **** Why is it then that unreal 3 games are better on the 360 than the ps3. It's because that engine fits the 360 perfectly just like conventional pc hardware (which the 360 is right?). Ask yourself this. WHy is it that games like MGS4, Uncharted, and yes the game that ends up with a 2 at the end are vastly superior in every aspect? I won't tell you but when that next xbox comes out (sounds yummy doesnt it) you will find out why. You will find out that what everyone was trying to tell you was the 360 was easier to develop for, not that it was just as powerful or more powerful, there is a reason why ps3 exclusives make 360 games look dated. Personally though bro it doesn't matter that the PS3 can pull off games like killzone2 or mgs4 with ease (ps3 only uses 40 to 60 percent of its power for killzone2) but is what matters is the games and the online service which is better on the 360. Ps3 will never have games like crackdown so why all the sadness about power or graphics? It will never happen on the 360. Once again take it as you wish, but remember this don't say I told you so.

OK lets see you evidence re: KZ2 using 40 percent of the PS3's power? And really to be honest I actually don't care if KZ2 looks better than anything in the world now and forever let's see if it sells 8.5 million on PS3 or 1million like LBP did eh?

[QUOTE="Timbury"][QUOTE="gamewhat"]To show what the 360 can do? Alrightyyyyyyy then. Remember this buddy, you got lied to about the power. It;s sad but the best the 360 can do is well....Gears 2, which is a wonderful game in its own right. Of course you could make a new game engine for 360 games, but they will not be as good as the unreal engine, I promise you that. I'll be looking forward to well a game that ends with a 2. I've been turned in for posts a lot less than this so feel free to take it as you wish.gamewhat

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"][QUOTE="gamewhat"]To show what the 360 can do? Alrightyyyyyyy then. Remember this buddy, you got lied to about the power. It;s sad but the best the 360 can do is well....Gears 2, which is a wonderful game in its own right. Of course you could make a new game engine for 360 games, but they will not be as good as the unreal engine, I promise you that. I'll be looking forward to well a game that ends with a 2. I've been turned in for posts a lot less than this so feel free to take it as you wish.gamewhat

Oh really, lol. Sorry bro but this isn't 2006 anymore, and ...hmmmm..... well some things are already dated and out of **** Why is it then that unreal 3 games are better on the 360 than the ps3. It's because that engine fits the 360 perfectly just like conventional pc hardware (which the 360 is right?). Ask yourself this. WHy is it that games like MGS4, Uncharted, and yes the game that ends up with a 2 at the end are vastly superior in every aspect? I won't tell you but when that next xbox comes out (sounds yummy doesnt it) you will find out why. You will find out that what everyone was trying to tell you was the 360 was easier to develop for, not that it was just as powerful or more powerful, there is a reason why ps3 exclusives make 360 games look dated. Personally though bro it doesn't matter that the PS3 can pull off games like killzone2 or mgs4 with ease (ps3 only uses 40 to 60 percent of its power for killzone2) but is what matters is the games and the online service which is better on the 360. Ps3 will never have games like crackdown so why all the sadness about power or graphics? It will never happen on the 360. Once again take it as you wish, but remember this don't say I told you so.

[QUOTE="gamewhat"]

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]

You don't know what you're talking about :|,developers that code for both 360 and ps3 will disagree with you.Nomad0404

Oh really, lol. Sorry bro but this isn't 2006 anymore, and ...hmmmm..... well some things are already dated and out of **** Why is it then that unreal 3 games are better on the 360 than the ps3. It's because that engine fits the 360 perfectly just like conventional pc hardware (which the 360 is right?). Ask yourself this. WHy is it that games like MGS4, Uncharted, and yes the game that ends up with a 2 at the end are vastly superior in every aspect? I won't tell you but when that next xbox comes out (sounds yummy doesnt it) you will find out why. You will find out that what everyone was trying to tell you was the 360 was easier to develop for, not that it was just as powerful or more powerful, there is a reason why ps3 exclusives make 360 games look dated. Personally though bro it doesn't matter that the PS3 can pull off games like killzone2 or mgs4 with ease (ps3 only uses 40 to 60 percent of its power for killzone2) but is what matters is the games and the online service which is better on the 360. Ps3 will never have games like crackdown so why all the sadness about power or graphics? It will never happen on the 360. Once again take it as you wish, but remember this don't say I told you so.

OK lets see you evidence re: KZ2 using 40 percent of the PS3's power? And really to be honest I actually don't care if KZ2 looks better than anything in the world now and forever let's see if it sells 8.5 million on PS3 or 1million like LBP did eh?

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]

*gasp* from the 360? what on low at 400x600? lulz

Al3x_n90

Oh silly me, i forgot that the 360 had technology 50 years from the future :P it can do 16X AA at 4000p :D

Pffff, that's nothing. PS3 CAN DO 3D!!!! :lol:

I bet this is what the future of System Wars will be like. Absolutely no diffrent from what it is now...

Lets be honest I posted that to goad you and look what happened.....

Sales matter, trust me on this - the game industry is all about the money! However, I will not deny that the effort, time and MONEY put into developing KZ2 have certainly paid off.

BUT, it's just another FPS. It does nothing new, it may do what it does well but that's nothing more than the Conduit will be doing on the Wii later this year. If you're going to put all your eggs in one basket why make it an FPS like KZ?

To show what the 360 can do? Alrightyyyyyyy then. Remember this buddy, you got lied to about the power. It;s sad but the best the 360 can do is well....Gears 2, which is a wonderful game in its own right. Of course you could make a new game engine for 360 games, but they will not be as good as the unreal engine, I promise you that. I'll be looking forward to well a game that ends with a 2. I've been turned in for posts a lot less than this so feel free to take it as you wish.gamewhat

unreal engine 3 wasnt built ground up for xbox360

and gears of war is crap compared to how good a game could look on 360 with talented devs trying to push it

xbox360 has no devs pushing it's hardware period because none of the software is built ground up for xbox360 using the most advanced graphical techiques possible.

[QUOTE="gamewhat"]

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]

You don't know what you're talking about :|,developers that code for both 360 and ps3 will disagree with you.McdonaIdsGuy

Oh really, lol. Sorry bro but this isn't 2006 anymore, and ...hmmmm..... well some things are already dated and out of **** Why is it then that unreal 3 games are better on the 360 than the ps3. It's because that engine fits the 360 perfectly just like conventional pc hardware (which the 360 is right?). Ask yourself this. WHy is it that games like MGS4, Uncharted, and yes the game that ends up with a 2 at the end are vastly superior in every aspect? I won't tell you but when that next xbox comes out (sounds yummy doesnt it) you will find out why. You will find out that what everyone was trying to tell you was the 360 was easier to develop for, not that it was just as powerful or more powerful, there is a reason why ps3 exclusives make 360 games look dated. Personally though bro it doesn't matter that the PS3 can pull off games like killzone2 or mgs4 with ease (ps3 only uses 40 to 60 percent of its power for killzone2) but is what matters is the games and the online service which is better on the 360. Ps3 will never have games like crackdown so why all the sadness about power or graphics? It will never happen on the 360. Once again take it as you wish, but remember this don't say I told you so.

unreal engine 3 uses deferred rendering LMFAO

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"][QUOTE="gamewhat"]

Oh really, lol. Sorry bro but this isn't 2006 anymore, and ...hmmmm..... well some things are already dated and out of **** Why is it then that unreal 3 games are better on the 360 than the ps3. It's because that engine fits the 360 perfectly just like conventional pc hardware (which the 360 is right?). Ask yourself this. WHy is it that games like MGS4, Uncharted, and yes the game that ends up with a 2 at the end are vastly superior in every aspect? I won't tell you but when that next xbox comes out (sounds yummy doesnt it) you will find out why. You will find out that what everyone was trying to tell you was the 360 was easier to develop for, not that it was just as powerful or more powerful, there is a reason why ps3 exclusives make 360 games look dated. Personally though bro it doesn't matter that the PS3 can pull off games like killzone2 or mgs4 with ease (ps3 only uses 40 to 60 percent of its power for killzone2) but is what matters is the games and the online service which is better on the 360. Ps3 will never have games like crackdown so why all the sadness about power or graphics? It will never happen on the 360. Once again take it as you wish, but remember this don't say I told you so.

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unreal engine 3 uses deferred rendering LMFAO

[QUOTE="dsfsdfsdfsdffdg"][QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]

:lol:, first gears of war 2 looks better than MGS4 and uncharted IMO u can say whatever you want (you're free to have an opinion),and if you think that the 360 can't pull off a game with deferred rendering you're wrong in so many levels,since the console have pulled off two games with deferred rendering/lighting in a bigger scale (GTAIV and crackdown)McdonaIdsGuy

unreal engine 3 uses deferred rendering LMFAO

OMG dude i know all about the unreal engine 3 it's a deferred renderer man...that's why xbox360 has problems running anti aliasing with unreal engine 3.0

deferred rendering doesnt support anti aliasing there's way's to fake it though

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"][QUOTE="dsfsdfsdfsdffdg"]

unreal engine 3 uses deferred rendering LMFAO

dsfsdfsdfsdffdg

OMG dude i know all about the unreal engine 3 it's a deferred renderer man...that's why xbox360 has problems running anti aliasing with unreal engine 3.0

deferred rendering doesnt support anti aliasing there's way's to fake it though

forward rendering engine's like crysis engine own deferred rendering engines.

deferred rendering is supposed to be good for allowing a bunch of lightsources at once better fps than forward rendering

but you lose hardware anti aliasing support and some other stuff vs forward

[QUOTE="dsfsdfsdfsdffdg"][QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]

LMAO noo! it uses a post processing filter (occlusion technology) for its lighting,but i think with a little bit more of work they can implement deferred rendering.McdonaIdsGuy

OMG dude i know all about the unreal engine 3 it's a deferred renderer man...that's why xbox360 has problems running anti aliasing with unreal engine 3.0

deferred rendering doesnt support anti aliasing there's way's to fake it though

they're doing the anti aliasing with software not hardware

forward rendering engine's like crysis engine own deferred rendering engines.

deferred rendering is supposed to be good for allowing a bunch of lightsources at once better fps than forward rendering

but you lose hardware anti aliasing support and some other stuff vs forward

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[QUOTE="dsfsdfsdfsdffdg"]

forward rendering engine's like crysis engine own deferred rendering engines.

deferred rendering is supposed to be good for allowing a bunch of lightsources at once better fps than forward rendering

but you lose hardware anti aliasing support and some other stuff vs forward

McdonaIdsGuy

http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=424979

Deferred rendering:

Pros:
-VERY easy and simple to make, and can be made fairly fast.
-Very tight boundaries on what pixels the light volumes affect (i.e. not many pixels, if any, are wasted).
-Fairly geometric complexity-agnostic because you're only doing a single draw.
-Low amount of state changes
-One-time generation of reasonably complex perpixel data, e.g. calculation of normals for normal mapping, Fresnel specular coefficients, anisotropic filtering.
-Scales very nicely as number of lights increases

Cons:
-No hardware antialiasing.
-Fairly high memory cost, especially at higher resolutions.
-No hardware antialiasing.
-Difficult, but not impossible, to support a reasonably wide variety of materials.
-No hardware antialiasing.
-High initial cost of G-Buffer generation due to the large amount of data that must be generated. (the last pro above should be strongly noted in conjunction with this point)
-No hardware antialiasing.
-Very fillrate/memory-bandwidth intensive.
-No hardware antialiasing.
-[This is more of an anti-pro than a con...] If you're doing any kind of shadowing solution, the geometry complexity argument flies out the window.
-I'm not sure if I mentioned this or not, but there's also no hardware antialiasing

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