Microsoft have done a 360, Nintendo have done a 180! =)

I am still lol at this :D:lol::lol:

If the wii has better sound than the xbox (5.1dd vs pro logic),has better online than the old xbox ect :lol:ChiChiMonKilla

I am still lol at this :D:lol::lol:

ChiChiMonKilla

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]If the wii has better sound than the xbox (5.1dd vs pro logic),has better online than the old xbox ect :lol:Dualshockin

demand.

The wii still has sucky games.exxept for boogie that game looks really cool and dewys adventure, im not counting nintendos first party.xjet039

You do realize that the original playstation had thousands of crap games? And just a few good ones... Playstation won its gen.. (pretty much the same for ps2..) The Wii does the same thing now.. And you think the Wii isn't going in the right direction?

>I'm claiming that it is not fact that consoles have better libraries than others (Unless the consoles libraries are empty sets or subsets of eachother) since the enjoyment of a game is a subjective experience, and my proof is that opinions vary from person to person. The evidence I would cite to support this would be the body of reviews on gamerankings which are never in absolute agreement with eachother, but only general.Also, when it comes to something like graphics, its important that you actually define something measurable. To go back to your car example, some cars may perform better or worse than other cars depending on the weather, inclination, etc. This is just a general statement with respect to comparison of computer hardware systems in general.Earthstrike

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]If the wii has better sound than the xbox (5.1dd vs pro logic),has better online than the old xbox ect :lol:Earthstrike

demand.

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]If the wii has better sound than the xbox (5.1dd vs pro logic),has better online than the old xbox ect :lol:Dualshockin

This is all from 2001 vs the wii from 2006 :lol:

[QUOTE="Earthstrike"]>I'm claiming that it is not fact that consoles have better libraries than others (Unless the consoles libraries are empty sets or subsets of eachother) since the enjoyment of a game is a subjective experience, and my proof is that opinions vary from person to person. The evidence I would cite to support this would be the body of reviews on gamerankings which are never in absolute agreement with eachother, but only general.Also, when it comes to something like graphics, its important that you actually define something measurable. To go back to your car example, some cars may perform better or worse than other cars depending on the weather, inclination, etc. This is just a general statement with respect to comparison of computer hardware systems in general.Dualshockin

It is not my opinion that the wii's current and future library outdoes the PS3's current and future library. I, nor anyone else at the present moment, can really make a sound assertion about how the full final libraries of these systems would compare since there are three too four years worth of undeveloped games yet to be known about. Maybe the games on PS3 will be the best since its the most powerful. Maybe the best games will be developed on the Wii since the platform is more fiscally viable given sales trends. Ony time will tell. Also, Graphics are measurable. I said they were in my initial post. I simply said that statements of what was being compared had to be made. Instead of looking at a picture of doa and galaxy, talk about the polygon counts, shaders, and other quantifiable aspects of graphics in the doa and galaxy picture.

[QUOTE="Earthstrike"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]If the wii has better sound than the xbox (5.1dd vs pro logic),has better online than the old xbox ect :lol:Dualshockin

demand.

At this current point in its life cycle? No that is not the case. Half of all x-box sales werenot during year one.

Also Nintendo is holding back wii's. Usually when companies have forseeably large amounts of demand for a product that they know will continue to sell through they balance the shipping of the units over time so there are more available for christmas since its better PR.

The wii still has sucky games.exxept for boogie that game looks really cool and dewys adventure, im not counting nintendos first party.xjet039

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]If the wii has better sound than the xbox (5.1dd vs pro logic),has better online than the old xbox ect :lol:ChiChiMonKilla

This is all from 2001 vs the wii from 2006 :lol:

Microsoft basically copied the same plan they took with the original Xbox, made a 360, and followed through in the same direction.

Nintendo realized that they needed to turn around and so they made a 180 and started going in the right direction. Now look at who is winning?

Microsoft shouldn't have made the Xbox360. What they needed to do was make an Xbox that changed direction instead of going through a roundabout and then taking the same road that led them in the wrong direction in the first place.

All Sony need to do is change gear, because at the moment they're stuck in reverse! :o

Lilac_Benjie

Wii Fit is the right direction? Putting money into such a game is pointless. You're paying around $60-$70 for that thing so you could do push-ups and yoga? Total garbage.

At this current point in its life cycle? No that is not the case. Half of all x-box sales werenot during year one.Also Nintendo is holding back wii's. Usually when companies have forseeably large amounts of demand for a product that they know will continue to sell through they balance the shipping of the units over time so there are more available for christmas since its better PR.Earthstrike

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]If the wii has better sound than the xbox (5.1dd vs pro logic),has better online than the old xbox ect :lol:Dualshockin

This is all from 2001 vs the wii from 2006 :lol:

To think that the Nintendo Wii was a bad fiscal decision, is really without respect to the fiscal realities of the games divisions' of MS, Sony, and Nintendo.

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]If the wii has better sound than the xbox (5.1dd vs pro logic),has better online than the old xbox ect :lol:Dualshockin

This is all from 2001 vs the wii from 2006 :lol:

[QUOTE="Earthstrike"]At this current point in its life cycle? No that is not the case. Half of all x-box sales werenot during year one.Also Nintendo is holding back wii's. Usually when companies have forseeably large amounts of demand for a product that they know will continue to sell through they balance the shipping of the units over time so there are more available for christmas since its better PR.Dualshockin

Just curious, how did you think the DS would fare against the PSP and what did you think the initial DS sales predicted for the total sales of the system.

[QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]

Microsoft basically copied the same plan they took with the original Xbox, made a 360, and followed through in the same direction.

Nintendo realized that they needed to turn around and so they made a 180 and started going in the right direction. Now look at who is winning?

Microsoft shouldn't have made the Xbox360. What they needed to do was make an Xbox that changed direction instead of going through a roundabout and then taking the same road that led them in the wrong direction in the first place.

All Sony need to do is change gear, because at the moment they're stuck in reverse! :o

Supafly1

Wii Fit is the right direction? Putting money into such a game is pointless. You're paying around $60-$70 for that thing so you could do push-ups and yoga? Total garbage.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Earthstrike"]At this current point in its life cycle? No that is not the case. Half of all x-box sales werenot during year one.Also Nintendo is holding back wii's. Usually when companies have forseeably large amounts of demand for a product that they know will continue to sell through they balance the shipping of the units over time so there are more available for christmas since its better PR.Earthstrike

Just curious, how did you think the DS would fare against the PSP and what did you think the initial DS sales predicted for the total sales of the system.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Earthstrike"]At this current point in its life cycle? No that is not the case. Half of all x-box sales werenot during year one.Also Nintendo is holding back wii's. Usually when companies have forseeably large amounts of demand for a product that they know will continue to sell through they balance the shipping of the units over time so there are more available for christmas since its better PR.Earthstrike

Just curious, how did you think the DS would fare against the PSP and what did you think the initial DS sales predicted for the total sales of the system.

[QUOTE="Earthstrike"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Earthstrike"]At this current point in its life cycle? No that is not the case. Half of all x-box sales werenot during year one.Also Nintendo is holding back wii's. Usually when companies have forseeably large amounts of demand for a product that they know will continue to sell through they balance the shipping of the units over time so there are more available for christmas since its better PR.ChiChiMonKilla

Just curious, how did you think the DS would fare against the PSP and what did you think the initial DS sales predicted for the total sales of the system.

You didn't really answer my question (although it was intended for dualshocking).

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Hahahaha, you think a fighting game requires much power? I'll give you this, you got some prettier effects in the backround this time, but still a rather small, unroamable area. Mario galaxy, meanwhile, has all planets visable at all times, unless 1 is to eclipse another. Meanwhile, while having all these worlds, they ekeep laods fo special effects like depth of field and that lava, keep lots happening, and manage to have a good ammount of enemies on screen.Dualshockin

It doesn't. 2 people on screen, a locked perspective in which the mapper knows who's going where, a world that has very little effect on the fighting itself, and nothing ever gets made into/removed from the world.

I'm leaving after this super smash bros update, so if you got osmething to say, make it quick.

[QUOTE="Earthstrike"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Earthstrike"]At this current point in its life cycle? No that is not the case. Half of all x-box sales werenot during year one.Also Nintendo is holding back wii's. Usually when companies have forseeably large amounts of demand for a product that they know will continue to sell through they balance the shipping of the units over time so there are more available for christmas since its better PR.Dualshockin

Just curious, how did you think the DS would fare against the PSP and what did you think the initial DS sales predicted for the total sales of the system.

Hold on a second, do you honestly believe that given current sales trend of the DS and PSP that the PSP will somehow manage to come back by one magic game? You do know the DS is approximately selling 135,000 units a week in japan right? and approximately 100,ooo units a week in NA with similar numbers in europe? I mean its one thing to think one is better than the other which is fine but to think that current market share division can be reversed? Dam. And waiting for one magic game? You sound like gamecube fanboys saying "wait til zelda comes out" and then when sales did nothing they said "wait til mario comes out".

And wii vs xbox1 was not the topic. the topic was the fact that Nintendo completely changed their market share division with respect to the current generation, while microsoft has improved moderatley.

The sad part about the Wii is that is basically a tech demo of a system. It was only suppose to last 3 or 4 years and then Nintendo was going to finally come out witha real next gen system. Since they have basically duped the public into buying that trash, by holding back the hardware, making it appear like their is a shortage, it will probably hang on for longer now or at least longer than what Nintendo originally hoped so I'm sure they are happy. The Wii is on pace to sale as many GCNs sold in its lifetime in just a year and half and of course Nintendo's handhelds are still king. Overall Nintendo is back, even though they have gone straight for the casual throat, while leaving their main hardcore fanbase behind.

MS is finally securing the games, but once again screwed up on the hardware. The XBOX was built like a tank, but the production deals ruined it for MS which is why they had to drop support. The 360's production deals were made to turn a quick profit, but MS once again screwed up the hardware, not putting that extra needed heatsync in to begin with. It pretty much cost them an extra billion, but at least they can salvage something, since this time they should be in the green with this system in the end. Plus XBL is blowing up, increasing by 250% since the 360 launch nearly 2 years ago. In the end, the 360 will probably have a much longer shelf life than the XBOX, make MS money, increase XBL usersand double the original XBOX's userbase, meaning it could see 50 to 60 million units sold by the end of its productionso they should be happy at the end of the day.

Sony screwed up with the PS3 early on, with an blockhead price and one of the worst first year lineups in gaming history. I can see what Sony is thinking though. They will take their hits now, but by end of 2009, when they can afford to drop the PS3 to around $200 or $300, then they will see a good return and sales start to pick up enormously, mainly because of the Blu-ray player, which IMO will win the next gen DVD wars and the PS3 should have a nice gaming lineup by then. Of course by late 2010, the next gen will start, either with a new Nintendo console, a new MS console or both. Sony may be seeing such strong sales by that point, they may wait it out a year. The PS3 IMO will sale upwards of around 60 to 80 million units in its lifetime, but not have the same success as the PS or PS2, mainly because of the risks Sony took early in its life, which obviously have not paid off.

To think that the Nintendo Wii was a bad fiscal decision, is really without respect to the fiscal realities of the games divisions' of MS, Sony, and Nintendo.Earthstrike

screwed up with the PS3 early on, with an blockhead price and one of the worst first year lineups in gaming history. I can see what Sony is thinking though. They will take their hits now, but by end of 2009, when they can afford to drop the PS3 to around $200 or $300, then they will see a good return and sales start to pick up enormously, mainly because of the Blu-ray player, which IMO will win the next gen DVD wars and the PS3 should have a nice gaming lineup by then. Of course by late 2010, the next gen will start, either with a new Nintendo console, a new MS console or both. Sony may be seeing such strong sales by that point, they may wait it out a year. The PS3 IMO will sale upwards of around 60 to 80 million units in its lifetime, but not have the same success as the PS or PS2, mainly because of the risks Sony took early in its life, which obviously have not paid off.

eastside49er

60 to 80 million? Are you joking me? just what kind of numbers do you think PS3 will push in 2010?

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]You clearly haven't played DOA,I had all last-gen systems thus I can honestly say this without any hesitation: DOAU looks better than 99% of all Wii games out on the market+Wii games launching in the near future. What happened to that list?gingerdivid

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

screwed up with the PS3 early on, with an blockhead price and one of the worst first year lineups in gaming history. I can see what Sony is thinking though. They will take their hits now, but by end of 2009, when they can afford to drop the PS3 to around $200 or $300, then they will see a good return and sales start to pick up enormously, mainly because of the Blu-ray player, which IMO will win the next gen DVD wars and the PS3 should have a nice gaming lineup by then. Of course by late 2010, the next gen will start, either with a new Nintendo console, a new MS console or both. Sony may be seeing such strong sales by that point, they may wait it out a year. The PS3 IMO will sale upwards of around 60 to 80 million units in its lifetime, but not have the same success as the PS or PS2, mainly because of the risks Sony took early in its life, which obviously have not paid off.

Earthstrike

60 to 80 million? Are you joking me? just what kind of numbers do you think PS3 will push in 2010?

[QUOTE="Earthstrike"]To think that the Nintendo Wii was a bad fiscal decision, is really without respect to the fiscal realities of the games divisions' of MS, Sony, and Nintendo.Dualshockin

On wii's online capabilites. You mean with respect to games right? I agree that wii is not doing much online with respect to games.

However, all you're really saying is "look how powerful the PS3 is and how many non-gaming related things it does". This doesn't really qualify as proof that sales of the PS3 are going to surpass the wiis.

Also price cuts every half year?
Are you kidding me? They haven't even introduced a real price drop yet. Just a clearance of the 60gb models at a price 100$ cheaper. You do know sony's gaming division lost 2 billion dollars for fiscal 2007 right? and that's after the massive profits of the PSP and PS2. anyways i'm off to bed now.

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

screwed up with the PS3 early on, with an blockhead price and one of the worst first year lineups in gaming history. I can see what Sony is thinking though. They will take their hits now, but by end of 2009, when they can afford to drop the PS3 to around $200 or $300, then they will see a good return and sales start to pick up enormously, mainly because of the Blu-ray player, which IMO will win the next gen DVD wars and the PS3 should have a nice gaming lineup by then. Of course by late 2010, the next gen will start, either with a new Nintendo console, a new MS console or both. Sony may be seeing such strong sales by that point, they may wait it out a year. The PS3 IMO will sale upwards of around 60 to 80 million units in its lifetime, but not have the same success as the PS or PS2, mainly because of the risks Sony took early in its life, which obviously have not paid off.

Earthstrike

60 to 80 million? Are you joking me? just what kind of numbers do you think PS3 will push in 2010?

I'm no Sony fan, but the reality is, the PS3 will probably outlast the 360 and Wii. I look for the 360 to have a shelf life of about 6 years, ending production sometime in 2011. The Wii will probably go for a good 5 or 6 years as well. The PS3, with its Blu-ray player, could last as long as 7 to 8 years IMO. The price for the system is only going to go down and the sales are only going to go up, especially with the price of HDTVs going down more and more every year and more and more people looking to make the HD plunge. The sad part is, even though the PS3 has a weak lineup of games, if it was $400 or less, it would be making a killing in sales right now. The only thing currently holding it back are games and price. The PS3 is going to have a solid lineup of games by end of 2008 and the price should be all the way down to at least $300 by 2009 and it will still have a good 4 to 5 years left to sale. Systems just don't stop selling because of the new gen. I believe the PS, PS2, GBA, etc have proven that to be a fact. Hell MS would probably still be supporting the XBOX if they would have made better production deals to actually gain a profit.

[QUOTE="Earthstrike"][QUOTE="eastside49er"]

screwed up with the PS3 early on, with an blockhead price and one of the worst first year lineups in gaming history. I can see what Sony is thinking though. They will take their hits now, but by end of 2009, when they can afford to drop the PS3 to around $200 or $300, then they will see a good return and sales start to pick up enormously, mainly because of the Blu-ray player, which IMO will win the next gen DVD wars and the PS3 should have a nice gaming lineup by then. Of course by late 2010, the next gen will start, either with a new Nintendo console, a new MS console or both. Sony may be seeing such strong sales by that point, they may wait it out a year. The PS3 IMO will sale upwards of around 60 to 80 million units in its lifetime, but not have the same success as the PS or PS2, mainly because of the risks Sony took early in its life, which obviously have not paid off.

Dualshockin

60 to 80 million? Are you joking me? just what kind of numbers do you think PS3 will push in 2010?

I seriously doubt the PS3 will cost $300 inlessthana year and ahalf. I wouldn't be shocked if it was down between $400 to $450 by then though.

[QUOTE="gingerdivid"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]You clearly haven't played DOA,I had all last-gen systems thus I can honestly say this without any hesitation: DOAU looks better than 99% of all Wii games out on the market+Wii games launching in the near future. What happened to that list?Dualshockin

The wii games look worst than the old cube games for example

Cube

Wii

Hold on a second, do you honestly believe that given current sales trend of the DS and PSP that the PSP will somehow manage to come back by one magic game? You do know the DS is approximately selling 135,000 units a week in japan right? and approximately 100,ooo units a week in NA with similar numbers in europe? I mean its one thing to think one is better than the other which is fine but to think that current market share division can be reversed? Dam. And waiting for one magic game? You sound like gamecube fanboys saying "wait til zelda comes out" and then when sales did nothing they said "wait til mario comes out".And wii vs xbox1 was not the topic. the topic was the fact that Nintendo completely changed their market share division with respect to the current generation, while microsoft has improved moderatley.Earthstrike

I seriously doubt the PS3 will cost $300 inlessthana year and ahalf. I wouldn't be shocked if it was down between $400 to $450 by then though.eastside49er

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]You clearly haven't played DOA,I had all last-gen systems thus I can honestly say this without any hesitation: DOAU looks better than 99% of all Wii games out on the market+Wii games launching in the near future. What happened to that list?ChiChiMonKilla

The wii games look worst than the old cube games for example

Cube

Wii

Nintendo was going downhill. So what you're saying is Nintendo did a 180 and is going uphill? I agree.

Where as Microsoft is going at a steady pace, did a 360 and is still going at that steady pace.

On wii's online capabilites. You mean with respect to games right? I agree that wii is not doing much online with respect to games.However, all you're really saying is "look how powerful the PS3 is and how many non-gaming related things it does". This doesn't really qualify as proof that sales of the PS3 are going to surpass the wiis.Also price cuts every half year? Are you kidding me? They haven't even introduced a real price drop yet. Just a clearance of the 60gb models at a price 100$ cheaper. You do know sony's gaming division lost 2 billion dollars for fiscal 2007 right? and that's after the massive profits of the PSP and PS2. anyways i'm off to bed now.Earthstrike

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]You clearly haven't played DOA,I had all last-gen systems thus I can honestly say this without any hesitation: DOAU looks better than 99% of all Wii games out on the market+Wii games launching in the near future. What happened to that list?Dualshockin

The wii games look worst than the old cube games for example

Cube

Wii

All the power must be here lmao

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]You clearly haven't played DOA,I had all last-gen systems thus I can honestly say this without any hesitation: DOAU looks better than 99% of all Wii games out on the market+Wii games launching in the near future. What happened to that list?ChiChiMonKilla

The wii games look worst than the old cube games for example

Cube

Wii

now if you could do the same with a first-party nintendo game which they actually put EFFORT in...

seriously, reading through this topic all those fanboy desperatley trying to find a pathetic way to convince themselves that the Wii is crud/sony is going to be this gen's winner/etc. it's really a bit sad.

All the power must be here lmao ChiChiMonKilla

now if you could do the same with a first-party nintendo game which they actually put EFFORT in...seriously, reading through this topic all those fanboy desperatley trying to find a pathetic way to convince themselves that the Wii is crud/sony is going to be this gen's winner/etc. it's really a bit sad.crunchUK

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]All the power must be here lmao Dualshockin

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]All the power must be here lmao Dualshockin

The Wii Fit is the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Nintendo = straight casual now. Even my sister-in-law was thinking of getting that crap, until I talked her out of it. She isn't fat by no means, butshe wanted to get it anyway as a workout device. I said I would burn her a copy of my Tae-Bo DVD, which would do 1000X more for her then that trash.

there's no right direction or wrong direction .. just different directions

i'm glad the big 3 aren't all making traditional consoles, or all making wii-like consoles

it's good that we have a choice and can enjoy a mix of gameplay with the different systems

now if you could do the same with a first-party nintendo game which they actually put EFFORT in...

seriously, reading through this topic all those fanboy desperatley trying to find a pathetic way to convince themselves that the Wii is crud/sony is going to be this gen's winner/etc. it's really a bit sad.

crunchUK

Cube

Wii

Some killer app ROFL ChiChiMonKilla

The Wii Fit is the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Nintendo = straight casual now. Even my sister-in-law was thinking of getting that crap, until I talked her out of it. She isn't fat by no means, butshe wanted to get it anyway as a workout device. I said I would burn her a copy of my Tae-Bo DVD, which would do 1000X more for her then that trash.eastside49er

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]Some killer app ROFL Dualshockin