Microsoft is a cancer to PC gaming...

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#1  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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Actually they are a cancer to any market they enter.

Says co-founder of former Gears of War developer Epic Tim Sweeney:

Tim Sweeney is the co-founder of US-based developer, Epic Games, creator of the Gears of War series of Xbox and PC titles, which has sold over 20m units worldwide.

With its new Universal Windows Platform (UWP) initiative, Microsoft has built a closed platform-within-a-platform into Windows 10, as the first apparent step towards locking down the consumer PC ecosystem and monopolising app distribution and commerce.

In my view, this is the most aggressive move Microsoft has ever made. While the company has been convicted of violating antitrust law in the past, its wrongful actions were limited to fights with specific competitors and contracts with certain PC manufacturers.

Lifted straight from Neogaf. What say you lems that believe Microsoft is great for gaming?

More anti-trust violations coming....

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Yeah, this went south very quickly.

Microsoft's best bet here is to open up UWP and loosen the restrictions on it- fast. They do that, and they have a chance to make it work, otherwise this will be another major failure for them.

The sad part is, outside of games, UWP has some actual benefits and is a progressive move towards the future of computing- but Microsoft's insistence on locking things down will be the death of them.

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@sts106mat said:

who ?

The guy in charge of Epic. Who are the guys who were intimately involved with the creation of the Xbox 360. And who also, by the way, gave Xbox one of its biggest franchise, in Gears of War. That's who.

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@sts106mat said:
@charizard1605 said:
@sts106mat said:

who ?

The guy in charge of Epic. Who are the guys who were intimately involved with the creation of the Xbox 360. And who also, by the way, gave Xbox one of its biggest franchise, in Gears of War. That's who.

yeah, never heard of him.

Convenient.

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#8 StrongBlackVine
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@sts106mat said:
@charizard1605 said:
@sts106mat said:

who ?

The guy in charge of Epic. Who are the guys who were intimately involved with the creation of the Xbox 360. And who also, by the way, gave Xbox one of its biggest franchise, in Gears of War. That's who.

yeah, never heard of him.

But you know very Epic very well. Let's not feign ignorance.

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#10 misterpmedia
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Stop taking that low quality bait guys lol

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#11 StrongBlackVine
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@misterpmedia said:

Stop taking that low quality bait guys lol

Yeah that is a rather daft way of avoiding the subject.

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#12  Edited By ellos
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Microsoft wants to do what google and apple does. There market has changed to that basically. Sure google is a bit more open but still not that much. Obviously Phil can be as nice as he wants but the blow back was coming. You can tell that this what Satya Nadella wants. They are going to disadvantage other stores.

@sts106mat Ever heard of Mark Rein? Him and Sweeny are basically the creators of Unreal Engine. Legends in the industry. There the founders of epic. Sweeny is the architect of that engine, an hall of famer. Cliff was just a prolific game designer at epic.

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#13 Effec_Tor
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WHY can't MS copy vavle succes?

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#15  Edited By QuadKnight
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What else do people expect from a shitty company like MS? Any market they enter they try to monopolize. Look at the shit they tried to pull off during the Xbone reveal. Good thing is that they will fail with this UWP crap like they failed with GFWL, Windows 8 Store, Zune, Xbone, etc. They just don't understand the market and why people love Steam, GOG, Google, Apple, etc. This is just their latest attempt at throwing shit on a wall and hoping something sticks.

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@charizard1605 said:
@sts106mat said:
@charizard1605 said:
@sts106mat said:

who ?

The guy in charge of Epic. Who are the guys who were intimately involved with the creation of the Xbox 360. And who also, by the way, gave Xbox one of its biggest franchise, in Gears of War. That's who.

yeah, never heard of him.

Convenient.

Haha. Funny how fast matts whole little "unbiased" act fell apart even when one of the guys responsible for Xbox's 2nd biggest franchise calls his beloved M$ out for something.

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Sounds like he's butthurt because no one wants Epics useless game launcher

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#19 Salt_The_Fries
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@ellos: Google is WAAAAAAAY more restrictive about things than MS will ever be. I know what you meant, you meant UWP and in this one singular case you might be right, but there's like 99 other factors in which Google are restriction hogs.

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#20 UnrealGunner
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Some of the people on here were praising MS lol

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#21 KillOnSight
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M$ has been the sourge of the console space and now im supposed to celebrate them coming back to PC, lol no.

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#23  Edited By QuadKnight
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@mems_1224 said:

Sounds like he's butthurt because no one wants Epics useless game launcher

You're angry because he's not riding M$'s nuts like you are.

Every time someone says something bad about MS you rush in like a cheerleader to defend them, and you claim to be unbiased lol.

We see you lems_1224, keep pretending you're not a lem. You're not fooling anyone on SW.

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#24  Edited By lastcoin
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Get those lemms out of my face ,they are your problem now!

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MS just cannot catch a break lol. Oh well, whatever happens to them is of no concern of me.

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#26 mems_1224
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@quadknight: Not mad nor was I defending anyone. Just making an observation. MS is the competition now and clearly epic is shook because they haven't made a game anyone cares about in like 5 years

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#27  Edited By QuadKnight
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@mems_1224 said:

@quadknight: Not mad nor was I defending anyone. Just making an observation. MS is the competition now and clearly epic is shook because they haven't made a game anyone cares about in like 5 years

I doubt it. MS and Epic aren't in competition.

In fact, they were strong partners for GeOW. This is some legitimate criticism he's dishing out. UWP and the Windows Store are actually garbage.

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@Salt_The_Fries said:

@ellos: Google is WAAAAAAAY more restrictive about things than MS will ever be. I know what you meant, you meant UWP and in this one singular case you might be right, but there's like 99 other factors in which Google are restriction hogs.

True Google is not that open either, but you can still utilize android features under third party distribution. Its just not the default. They had to do that any ways under linux license. The complain here is that Microsoft will only allow developers to use new windows features only if they submit to the locked down UWP ecosystem. The big problem is Microsoft found themselves on a weird situation where distribution service like steam took off and they would like to be steam and the default source. Restricting things to disadvantage other distributors this late in the game is not the way to go. Its starting to look like anti-competitive conduct. Its just gets weird when the PR talk was about helping steam and others.

@sts106mat: Fair enough I can understand that.

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@quadknight: key word, were. Now they're up against Steam, EA, GOG, Uplay and now MS. Steam was garbage for years when it first launched, now everyone loves it. Origin was garbage for years and now it's decent. Uplay continues to be garbage. You can't just write MS off when they're just starting out. Every service has growing pains.

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@mems_1224 said:

@quadknight: key word, were. Now they're up against Steam, EA, GOG, Uplay and now MS. Steam was garbage for years when it first launched, now everyone loves it. Origin was garbage for years and now it's decent. Uplay continues to be garbage. You can't just write MS off when they're just starting out. Every service has growing pains.

MS has now had two services and both are utter garbage, he has every right to write off MS.

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M$ treats PC like a Console. They made the same mistake with GFWL and now they are making the same mistake with Windows Store. They need to realize that PC community and PC market works differently than the Console. Quantum Break's PC announcement was such a great news, followed by one disaster after another.

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#32  Edited By the_master_race
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yeah , hopefuly PC Gaming always been immune to their stupid strategies if MS want to survive they should come up with a better service than this shitty windows store

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#33 QuadKnight
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@mems_1224 said:

@quadknight: key word, were. Now they're up against Steam, EA, GOG, Uplay and now MS. Steam was garbage for years when it first launched, now everyone loves it. Origin was garbage for years and now it's decent. Uplay continues to be garbage. You can't just write MS off when they're just starting out. Every service has growing pains.

"Just starting out"....you're a funny guy.

So you're going to pretend GFWL and Windows 8 Store never existed? LOL, and you wonder why everyone calls you a lem.

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#34  Edited By SecretPolice
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Sure, sure and MS ate your baby as well. :P

MS to Sweeny.....

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@quadknight said:

What else do people expect from a shitty company like MS? Any market they enter they try to monopolize. Look at the shit they tried to pull off during the Xbone reveal. Good thing is that they will fail with this UWP crap like they failed with GFWL, Windows 8 Store, Zune, Xbone, etc. They just don't understand the market and why people love Steam, GOG, Google, Apple, etc. This is just their latest attempt at throwing shit on a wall and hoping something sticks.

Just to point out that it's not very convincing to blame MS for wanting closed systems then giving examples like google and apple...

And I do think MS is trying to butcher PC too but they arent the only ones trying to control something.

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They have always been cancer. We have all seen in what direction MS went with xbone and now they will start fucking with PC gaming.

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Boohoo a bunch self entitled Virgin warriors . There so bad am getting free copy of Quatum break to play on my pc. Oh the horror

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#38 Scipio8
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Because Valve's monopoly is so great for PC gaming, we should prevent at all cost any competing store from entering.

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Boohoo a bunch self entitled Virgin warriors . There so bad am getting free copy of Quatum break to play on my pc. Oh the horror

^ This is the kind of idiot that lets MS flourish.

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#41  Edited By deactivated-60cd6c3d31f6d
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@sts106mat said:
@deeph said:
@darkrecon said:

Boohoo a bunch self entitled Virgin warriors . There so bad am getting free copy of Quatum break to play on my pc. Oh the horror

^ This is the kind of idiot that lets MS flourish.

and does that make you the kind of hero that prevents them from profiting ?

It makes me the kind of guy that does not let corporations tremple all over me.

And what are you? Seeing your damage control I would think that you are a corporate shill.

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#42 DarkrecoN
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@deeph: no I just don't give a shit

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#44 DarkrecoN
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@sts106mat: what he said

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@sts106mat said:
@deeph said:
@sts106mat said:
@deeph said:
@darkrecon said:

Boohoo a bunch self entitled Virgin warriors . There so bad am getting free copy of Quatum break to play on my pc. Oh the horror

^ This is the kind of idiot that lets MS flourish.

and does that make you the kind of hero that prevents them from profiting ?

It makes me the kind of guy that does not let corporations tremple all over me.

And what are you? Seeing your damage control I would think that you are a corporate shill.

hahaha, "a corporate shill" lol

Also, i think you mean "trample"

I buy what i want, from who i want.

i do not let clowns on the internet tell me what to buy, or who from.

If a company is selling something that i want and I consider it good value, i will buy it.

Do that but dont go defending a corporation for the disgusting shit they do or you will just become a free shill for them.

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#46  Edited By AzatiS
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Microsoft , Microsoft and Microsoft ...

Here is a link also for the same matter :

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/03/04/microsoft-is-moving-against-the-entire-pc-industry-says-epic-founder/

Anyways , we all know what really Microsoft is ... who can forget all those ridiculous Xbox One policies that they got FORCED to reverse ? Now is time for PC gamers. What the hell is this crap again ? If they want such bullshits to take place i say " GET THE **** BACK TO CONSOLES " . We dont want that kind of pathetic behavor and policies and all to PC gaming.

Personally ill boycottage all this pathetic Windows 10 store attempt ALL the way. And we all know , PC gamers can easily do that. Thats what they meant when they said theyll support PC gaming ? Gtfo , all im saying , i dont give an F about that kind of support when it affects in a bad way the whole PC industry , from developers to publishers to everyone.

Laters , im going to piss on Windows 10 store now.

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Thank you Microsoft

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#48  Edited By casharmy
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@deeph said:

They have always been cancer. We have all seen in what direction MS went with xbone and now they will start fucking with PC gaming.

Just keep them away from consoles from here on out and I'll be just fine.

Sucks that they were here long enough in the console space to f*cking shit up with gullible xbox fans accepting anything they do to convince Sony that gamers should pay to play games online. Thx MS!

I don't need any more stupid anti-consumer ideas getting pushed into relevance because of this parasite of a company. PC gamers wanted them for the longest time, please take them and all their anti-consumer policies and have at it. We don't need them as a console provider for one second longer, the xbox one is essentially an abandond console by MS now anyway