Microsoft is screwing over the consumer.

What the hell is that, Microsoft? $100 for Wi Fi? For the same price you get it built into the PS3. Game developers are having to make sacrifies. Take Rage for instance. On Ps3 you got one Blu Ray disc, all the content, and the best graphics on consoles. With the 360 version, you're gonna have 2-3 discs, the game will look inferior (that's a quote from the developerS) and they have said Microsoft won't allow them to have a mandatory install so if you're playing that game without installing it will look and play worse than the PS3 version.

But that's not enough, you gotta charge the consumer $50 just to play their game online. When they go buy Modern Warfare 2 for the 360, they know damn good and well they arn't getting the full game. No, they have to pay MICROSOFT $50 just to experience their game fully. When you impose these restrictions upon the consumer, and charge them to experience their game fully, you have become an insult to the gaming industry.

And evidently, the consumers don't really see it that way.

thats why they are the biggest company in the world

that's MS for you. they want all the money you have.

And evidently, the consumers don't really see it that way.

Silverbond

Oh, they have recently. PS3 is owning 360 is sales worldwide right now. Nintendo and Sony have been displaying their sales numbers publicly for Black Friday. Microsoft have kept their mouths shut. Oh, I wonder why?

People give 360 allot of criticism for not adopting Blu-ray, honestly though looking at the time 360 launched could they if they wanted to? PS3 is currently feeling the affects of adopting Blu-ray too early, the read speed of a PS3 game disk is actually slower than DVD, yet people think 360 should have launched with it a year before PS3?

1. While some of the accessory prices are extremely over-priced, blame the consumer for buying it at those prices, which sends the signal that Microsoft can overcharge and still sell.

2. I thought graphics < gameplay? If a person is seriously more into how a game looks than how it plays then they shouldn't be playing games at all. As for disc swapping, you'd have to be pretty damn lazy to complain about getting up after a few hours to swap discs.

3. If you have even a slightly decent paying job, the cost of live is vastly outweighed by the amount of hours you play online.

And evidently, the consumers don't really see it that way.

Silverbond

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

And evidently, the consumers don't really see it that way.

lulznub

Oh, they have recently. PS3 is owning 360 is sales worldwide right now. Nintendo and Sony have been displaying their sales numbers publicly for Black Friday. Microsoft have kept their mouths shut. Oh, I wonder why?

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

And evidently, the consumers don't really see it that way.

lulznub

Oh, they have recently. PS3 is owning 360 is sales worldwide right now. Nintendo and Sony have been displaying their sales numbers publicly for Black Friday. Microsoft have kept their mouths shut. Oh, I wonder why?

Or maybe the price drop finally let consumers that wanted both consoles to go out and buy the more expensive one, you know, cause it dropped price.

thats why they are the biggest company in the world

oblivionboar

While, in fact, they aren't :| .

What the hell is that, Microsoft? $100 for Wi Fi? For the same price you get it built into the PS3. Game developers are having to make sacrifies. Take Rage for instance. On Ps3 you got one Blu Ray disc, all the content, and the best graphics on consoles. With the 360 version, you're gonna have 2-3 discs, the game will look inferior (that's a quote from the developerS) and they have said Microsoft won't allow them to have a mandatory install so if you're playing that game without installing it will look and play worse than the PS3 version.

But that's not enough, you gotta charge the consumer $50 just to play their game online. When they go buy Modern Warfare 2 for the 360, they know damn good and well they arn't getting the full game. No, they have to pay MICROSOFT $50 just to experience their game fully. When you impose these restrictions upon the consumer, and charge them to experience their game fully, you have become an insult to the gaming industry.

lulznub

[QUOTE="lulznub"]

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

And evidently, the consumers don't really see it that way.

Jackopeng

Oh, they have recently. PS3 is owning 360 is sales worldwide right now. Nintendo and Sony have been displaying their sales numbers publicly for Black Friday. Microsoft have kept their mouths shut. Oh, I wonder why?

That doesn't matter. 360 had a 1 year head start. What matters is NOW, how things are selling NOW. And right NOW, the Ps3 is owning the 360 in sales.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

And evidently, the consumers don't really see it that way.

lulznub

Oh, they have recently. PS3 is owning 360 is sales worldwide right now. Nintendo and Sony have been displaying their sales numbers publicly for Black Friday. Microsoft have kept their mouths shut. Oh, I wonder why?

PS3 recent sales have nothing to do with the price drop it recently got riiight?

I'm a lemming but even I admit the PS3 is a better deal right now than the 360. PS3s got WiFi, and a Blu Ray blayer. The fact that 360 doesn't have those is a big turn off to someone who goes into a store looking to get either a PS3 or 360.

MS is just sitting back right now and making money off the 360. They don't care if Sony gains a little market share, their obviously pretty cofident with Natal, and probably figure they will make it back with that. They will also probably drop the price of the Elite when Natal comes out and make a Natal 360 bundle at 299.99 that's my guess anyways.

i agree u made some good points M$ is really bad but it will catch up to them in the end like all things they will be last by the time this gen finishes natal wont save them cuz i wont buy that for my 360 and a lot of people most likely qwoont cuz ther games look dumb

[QUOTE="Jackopeng"][QUOTE="lulznub"]

Oh, they have recently. PS3 is owning 360 is sales worldwide right now. Nintendo and Sony have been displaying their sales numbers publicly for Black Friday. Microsoft have kept their mouths shut. Oh, I wonder why?

lulznub

That doesn't matter. 360 had a 1 year head start. What matters is NOW, how things are selling NOW. And right NOW, the Ps3 is owning the 360 in sales.

Right NOW the 360 still has 6 million lead over the PS3...

[QUOTE="Jackopeng"][QUOTE="lulznub"]

Oh, they have recently. PS3 is owning 360 is sales worldwide right now. Nintendo and Sony have been displaying their sales numbers publicly for Black Friday. Microsoft have kept their mouths shut. Oh, I wonder why?

lulznub

That doesn't matter. 360 had a 1 year head start. What matters is NOW, how things are selling NOW. And right NOW, the Ps3 is owning the 360 in sales.

[QUOTE="lulznub"]

What the hell is that, Microsoft? $100 for Wi Fi? For the same price you get it built into the PS3. Game developers are having to make sacrifies. Take Rage for instance. On Ps3 you got one Blu Ray disc, all the content, and the best graphics on consoles. With the 360 version, you're gonna have 2-3 discs, the game will look inferior (that's a quote from the developerS) and they have said Microsoft won't allow them to have a mandatory install so if you're playing that game without installing it will look and play worse than the PS3 version.

But that's not enough, you gotta charge the consumer $50 just to play their game online. When they go buy Modern Warfare 2 for the 360, they know damn good and well they arn't getting the full game. No, they have to pay MICROSOFT $50 just to experience their game fully. When you impose these restrictions upon the consumer, and charge them to experience their game fully, you have become an insult to the gaming industry.

mythrol

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53976

[QUOTE="lulznub"]

[QUOTE="Jackopeng"] you do realise the 360 is 7million consoles ahead of the ps3 right?DarkLink77

That doesn't matter. 360 had a 1 year head start. What matters is NOW, how things are selling NOW. And right NOW, the Ps3 is owning the 360 in sales.

[QUOTE="lulznub"]

[QUOTE="Jackopeng"] you do realise the 360 is 7million consoles ahead of the ps3 right?DarkLink77

That doesn't matter. 360 had a 1 year head start. What matters is NOW, how things are selling NOW. And right NOW, the Ps3 is owning the 360 in sales.

You're ignoring the fact that the 360 also had a price cut. But the 360 cut its price to counter Sony's, and it failed. The consumers are showing what they want right now, and that is the PS3.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="lulznub"]

That doesn't matter. 360 had a 1 year head start. What matters is NOW, how things are selling NOW. And right NOW, the Ps3 is owning the 360 in sales.

lulznub

You're ignoring the fact that the 360 also had a price cut. But the 360 cut its price to counter Sony's, and it failed. The consumers are showing what they want right now, and that is the PS3.

[QUOTE="lulznub"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] It does matter, because NOW, the 360 is 7 million consoles ahead of the PS3, so it's likely the PS3 would sell better NOW, because more people who have a 360 want one. The PS3 just recently came down to a price that makes it an attractive buy.Jackopeng

You're ignoring the fact that the 360 also had a price cut. But the 360 cut its price to counter Sony's, and it failed. The consumers are showing what they want right now, and that is the PS3.

That's stupid. I know plenty of people who only own a PS3. The Xbox 360 was the console to have 2006-2007, I will give the 360 that. But 2008, 2009, 2010, etc are Sony's. They thought in the future.

The price cut did not only affect people who wanted the price to lower, but the Ps3 is looking to have a great holiday season this year. People just don't want Xbox 360's anymore. The consumers want what they want, and sales show the PS3 is the system to have.

and that is how companies make money. You realize that Sony wishes that they had implemented a subscription system and the next playstation will definetely have it. If your xbox is in the same room as your computer, you can just get a cable for a fraction of the cost with better connection

[QUOTE="Jackopeng"][QUOTE="lulznub"]

You're ignoring the fact that the 360 also had a price cut. But the 360 cut its price to counter Sony's, and it failed. The consumers are showing what they want right now, and that is the PS3.

lulznub

That's stupid. I know plenty of people who only own a PS3. The Xbox 360 was the console to have 2006-2007, I will give the 360 that. But 2008, 2009, 2010, etc are Sony's. They thought in the future.

The price cut did not only affect people who wanted the price to lower, but the Ps3 is looking to have a great holiday season this year. People just don't want Xbox 360's anymore. The consumers want what they want, and sales show the PS3 is the system to have.

Don't like it don't buy it, simple as that, i for one didn't have a wifi adapter because my router is 5 feet away from the 360, so connections are never a problem

and that is how companies make money. You realize that Sony wishes that they had implemented a subscription system and the next playstation will definetely have it. If your xbox is in the same room as your computer, you can just get a cable for a fraction of the cost with better connection

Colin1192

Sony IS implementing a subscription model. But they're owning Microsoft by having online play free. We don't know what the premnium service will feature, but PSN is basically as good as LIVE now, so with this subscription model, it's likely Sony will jump ahead of Live with PSN Premnium while keeping online play free.

[QUOTE="Jackopeng"][QUOTE="lulznub"]

[QUOTE="Jackopeng"] exactly....because they already have a 360 ^^,DarkLink77

That's stupid. I know plenty of people who only own a PS3. The Xbox 360 was the console to have 2006-2007, I will give the 360 that. But 2008, 2009, 2010, etc are Sony's. They thought in the future.

The price cut did not only affect people who wanted the price to lower, but the Ps3 is looking to have a great holiday season this year. People just don't want Xbox 360's anymore. The consumers want what they want, and sales show the PS3 is the system to have.

Try closer to 30 million. Not only that, the consoles are the same price. Microsoft could drop the Elite to 199 and still make money. They just prefer the PS3 now that it's actually at a reasonable price. It's extremely unlikely that it will continue to show these kind of sales numbers. What about the Wii? i personally thought that was the console to have for 2006 & 2007 i wonder how they're sales are doing now? oh wait not as good as the Ps3's i wonder why? most probably because theyre about 10million consoles ahead of sony.

You're reading in-between the lines. The Xbox 360 will always cost more because 1) Online fees 2) Wi Fi 3) After the 3 year warranty (these are 10 year consoles remember) You have to buy another and 4) AAA Batteries, of course you could always buy a charger pack, but oh wait that still COSTS MONEY

[QUOTE="Colin1192"]

and that is how companies make money. You realize that Sony wishes that they had implemented a subscription system and the next playstation will definetely have it. If your xbox is in the same room as your computer, you can just get a cable for a fraction of the cost with better connection

lulznub

Sony IS implementing a subscription model. But they're owning Microsoft by having online play free. We don't know what the premnium service will feature, but PSN is basically as good as LIVE now, so with this subscription model, it's likely Sony will jump ahead of Live with PSN Premnium while keeping online play free.

[QUOTE="Colin1192"]

and that is how companies make money. You realize that Sony wishes that they had implemented a subscription system and the next playstation will definetely have it. If your xbox is in the same room as your computer, you can just get a cable for a fraction of the cost with better connection

lulznub

Sony IS implementing a subscription model. But they're owning Microsoft by having online play free. We don't know what the premnium service will feature, but PSN is basically as good as LIVE now, so with this subscription model, it's likely Sony will jump ahead of Live with PSN Premnium while keeping online play free.

Yes this gen they are likely going to implement a limited subscription model, only premium features. It is true that we do not yet know what they are. I am saying that next gen Sony will have a subscription model sismilar to Microsoft. They could not just implement a full subscription model halfway through a generation. People would go crazy, especially all the people who claim that PSN is better due to the fact it is free

You're reading in-between the lines. The Xbox 360 will always cost more because 1) Online fees 2) Wi Fi 3) After the 3 year warranty (these are 10 year consoles remember) You have to buy another and 4) AAA Batteries, of course you could always buy a charger pack, but oh wait that still COSTS MONEY

lulznub

The 360= $199 & $299
PS3= $299
The 360's cheaper.

Sony charges for repair after the 1 year warranty expires btw. And PS3 controllers all die eventually. And they cost as much as a game.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="Jackopeng"]

That's stupid. I know plenty of people who only own a PS3. The Xbox 360 was the console to have 2006-2007, I will give the 360 that. But 2008, 2009, 2010, etc are Sony's. They thought in the future.

The price cut did not only affect people who wanted the price to lower, but the Ps3 is looking to have a great holiday season this year. People just don't want Xbox 360's anymore. The consumers want what they want, and sales show the PS3 is the system to have.

lulznub

Try closer to 30 million. Not only that, the consoles are the same price. Microsoft could drop the Elite to 199 and still make money. They just prefer the PS3 now that it's actually at a reasonable price. It's extremely unlikely that it will continue to show these kind of sales numbers. What about the Wii? i personally thought that was the console to have for 2006 & 2007 i wonder how they're sales are doing now? oh wait not as good as the Ps3's i wonder why? most probably because theyre about 10million consoles ahead of sony.

You're reading in-between the lines. The Xbox 360 will always cost more because 1) Online fees 2) Wi Fi 3) After the 3 year warranty (these are 10 year consoles remember) You have to buy another and 4) AAA Batteries, of course you could always buy a charger pack, but oh wait that still COSTS MONEY

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="Jackopeng"]

That's stupid. I know plenty of people who only own a PS3. The Xbox 360 was the console to have 2006-2007, I will give the 360 that. But 2008, 2009, 2010, etc are Sony's. They thought in the future.

The price cut did not only affect people who wanted the price to lower, but the Ps3 is looking to have a great holiday season this year. People just don't want Xbox 360's anymore. The consumers want what they want, and sales show the PS3 is the system to have.

lulznub

Try closer to 30 million. Not only that, the consoles are the same price. Microsoft could drop the Elite to 199 and still make money. They just prefer the PS3 now that it's actually at a reasonable price. It's extremely unlikely that it will continue to show these kind of sales numbers. What about the Wii? i personally thought that was the console to have for 2006 & 2007 i wonder how they're sales are doing now? oh wait not as good as the Ps3's i wonder why? most probably because theyre about 10million consoles ahead of sony.

You're reading in-between the lines. The Xbox 360 will always cost more because 1) Online fees 2) Wi Fi 3) After the 3 year warranty (these are 10 year consoles remember) You have to buy another and 4) AAA Batteries, of course you could always buy a charger pack, but oh wait that still COSTS MONEY

the xbox controller uses AA batteries :P

microsoft is wise. :) if they can charge 299.99 and w/o wifi an be sucessful, more power to themKittyHeart

remember that when you buy a car at sticker price and it doesn't come with power steering, a/c or a radio ;)

[QUOTE="KittyHeart"]microsoft is wise. :) if they can charge 299.99 and w/o wifi an be sucessful, more power to themz4twenny

remember that when you buy a car at sticker price and it doesn't come with power steering, a/c or a radio ;)

So true yet 360 gamers allow it for reasons unknown .

Do we really need another thread about this how many times are we going to see this? If you don't like the price don't buy it, it's that simple.

[QUOTE="lulznub"]

You're reading in-between the lines. The Xbox 360 will always cost more because 1) Online fees 2) Wi Fi 3) After the 3 year warranty (these are 10 year consoles remember) You have to buy another and 4) AAA Batteries, of course you could always buy a charger pack, but oh wait that still COSTS MONEY

Silverbond

The 360= $199 & $299
PS3= $299
The 360's cheaper.

Sony charges for repair after the 1 year warranty expires btw. And PS3 controllers all die eventually. And they cost as much as a game.

Xbox 360 - $199

Wi Fi - $100

LIVE - $50

Extended warranty to cover your ass through the 10 years - $50

$400 right there. I add in Wi Fi because you have to be equal among consoles. The Wii and PS3 have it for free, the 360 doesn't.

Xbox 360 - $199

Wi Fi - $100

LIVE - $50

Extended warranty to cover your ass through the 10 years - $50

$400 right there. I add in Wi Fi because you have to be equal among consoles. The Wii and PS3 have it for free, the 360 doesn't.

lulznub

Alot of people dont have online, and some with online dont use Wi Fi, why would you expect them to buy a product they don't need.

Also you can use other Wi Fi adaptors with the 360, and are not required to buy the MS one.

[QUOTE="lulznub"]

Xbox 360 - $199

Wi Fi - $100

LIVE - $50

Extended warranty to cover your ass through the 10 years - $50

$400 right there. I add in Wi Fi because you have to be equal among consoles. The Wii and PS3 have it for free, the 360 doesn't.

opex07

Alot of people dont have online, and some with online dont use Wi Fi, why would you expect them to buy a product they don't need.

Also you can use other Wi Fi adaptors with the 360, and are not required to buy the MS one.

Plenty of people use online. That's no excuse. We're talking about the average consumer, and this generation, online gaming has like it or not become the norm.

Xbox 360 - $199

Wi Fi - $100

LIVE - $50

Extended warranty to cover your ass through the 10 years - $50

$400 right there. I add in Wi Fi because you have to be equal among consoles. The Wii and PS3 have it for free, the 360 doesn't.

lulznub

So the 360 is cheaper than the PS3 without all those unnecessary costs?

[QUOTE="opex07"]

[QUOTE="lulznub"]

Xbox 360 - $199

Wi Fi - $100

LIVE - $50

Extended warranty to cover your ass through the 10 years - $50

$400 right there. I add in Wi Fi because you have to be equal among consoles. The Wii and PS3 have it for free, the 360 doesn't.

lulznub

Alot of people dont have online, and some with online dont use Wi Fi, why would you expect them to buy a product they don't need.

Also you can use other Wi Fi adaptors with the 360, and are not required to buy the MS one.

Plenty of people use online. That's no excuse. We're talking about the average consumer, and this generation, online gaming has like it or not become the norm.

OSTS MONEY

yes Live costs money but like you said sony are implementing a Subscription model so this is will shockingly COST MONEY :o:o:o NO WAI!! and who said the 360 is a 10 year console btw?Jackopeng

no, you're mistaken. sonys subscription model is for things in addition to whats already free right now. sony has stated several times that the ps3 will continue to be free to play online.

[QUOTE="lulznub"]

You're reading in-between the lines. The Xbox 360 will always cost more because 1) Online fees 2) Wi Fi 3) After the 3 year warranty (these are 10 year consoles remember) You have to buy another and 4) AAA Batteries, of course you could always buy a charger pack, but oh wait that still COSTS MONEY

Silverbond

The 360= $199 & $299
PS3= $299
The 360's cheaper.

That's a crappy argument and you know it.

Plenty of people use online. That's no excuse. We're talking about the average consumer, and this generation, online gaming has like it or not become the norm.

lulznub

Out of the 30 million or so 360 owners only around 10 million are on live, 10 million out of 30 isn't even close to being the norm, this is also the case with the PS3.

[QUOTE="Jackopeng"]OSTS MONEY

yes Live costs money but like you said sony are implementing a Subscription model so this is will shockingly COST MONEY :o:o:o NO WAI!! and who said the 360 is a 10 year console btw?z4twenny

no, you're mistaken. sonys subscription model is for things in addition to whats already free right now. sony has stated several times that the ps3 will continue to be free to play online.

[QUOTE="lulznub"]

Plenty of people use online. That's no excuse. We're talking about the average consumer, and this generation, online gaming has like it or not become the norm.

opex07

Out of the 30 million or so 360 owners only around 10 million are on live, 10 million out of 30 isn't even close to being the norm, this is also the case with the PS3.

Sony has what, like 27 million PSN accounts set up? That's a weak ass argument right there. Another reason Ps3 is better, larger community.