Microsoft More Innovative Than Nintendo And Sony?

You bet they are and the cows and especially you sheep need to wise up.

According to BusinessWeek, Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony are all among the 50 most innovative companies in the world. The surprising part is that they place in that order. While innovation seems to be a buzz-word for Nintendo, Microsoft finished fifth on the top 50 list for innovation in its products. Nintendo placed seventh and Sony finished ninth, both also known for product innovation. Who finished first? Apple took the top spot for innovation in products, and Google followed close behind for innovation in customer experience. Check out the full list here.

So, you didn't see that coming you say.

That just may be because you have had the wool pulled over you're eyes and became a Kool-Aid drinker without giving it a second thought. ;)

And this has anything directly to do with the 360? It's about MS as a whole.

You want to get excited about improbable walls full of screens in your bedroom and computer kiosks at bus stops, fine. Has ZERO to do with System Wars.

Sony comes up with some new tech for TV's. Great. What does that have to do with PS3? See what i mean.

Seems to me you are just searching for something to feel good about.

This was not based on console design alone obviously (well, except perhaps for Nintendo since it's all they engage in besides software), so with Sony and Microsoft you have to remember they have much larger departments.

Hell, this wasn't even based totally on product design, they said they based some of it on stock returns and revenue growth in their methodology report.

It's probably a bit too conclusive to say that Microsoft is more innovative than Sony or Nintendo in the console market.

Except Sony and Nintendo are innovative with video games. MS, not so much.Chutebox

:lol: No.

If we're strictly talking about the videogame industry, Microsoft are NOT more innovative than Nintendo or Sony.

Sony comes up with some new tech for TV's. Great. What does that have to do with PS3? See what i mean.

StringGuard

I dunno, since I upgraded my TV from standard definition to a HDTV my experience with games has been alot better :D

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Except Sony and Nintendo are innovative with video games. MS, not so much.SecretPolice

Where does the article make a distinction about MS and video games? :lol:

Mr. Stretch Armstrong, ladies and gentleman!

[QUOTE="StringGuard"]

Sony comes up with some new tech for TV's. Great. What does that have to do with PS3? See what i mean.

Mor-GanX

I dunno, since I upgraded my TV from standard definition to a HDTV my experience with games has been alot better :D

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Except Sony and Nintendo are innovative with video games. MS, not so much.SecretPolice

You honestly think this survey considered gaming consoles as much as it did Sony and Microsoft's much larger and much more profitable departments?

Okay, for all the post here already D.C'ing !

It has been debated many times here talking about which COMPANY is more innovative yet I see many here trying to use semantics to divert into talking about what console or specific game is more innovative.

That is not what the article is saying, it is talking about the companies as a whole which as I already said, been the subject here on SW and many, many always try to make MS out to be the Least innovative !

So..... Just Saying :)

[QUOTE="StringGuard"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]Except Sony and Nintendo are innovative with video games. MS, not so much.SecretPolice

Where does the article make a distinction about MS and video games? :lol:

Mr. Stretch Armstrong, ladies and gentleman!

I say clearly and now bold it just for you so slow down, take some deep breaths, whisper to you're PS3 to relax and read again please.

Why is this thread in SW??? Has ZERO to do with video games, especially since the "innovations" you want to promote have ZERO to do with the 360.

Seems to me you should have taken some breaths after reading the article and not made this fanboy thread trying to cup Bill's *****.

Okay, for all the post here already D.C'ing !

It has been debated many times here talking about which COMPANY is more innovative yet I see many here trying to use semantics to divert into talking about what console or specific game is more innovative.

That is not what the article is saying, it is talking about the companies as a whole which as I already said, been the subject here on SW and many, many always try to make MS out to be the Least innovative !

So..... Just Saying :)

SecretPolice

This is fine and all but people are claiming that MS is the least inovative when it comes to video games, almost everything good about the system was taken from another.

.Rumble

.Dual Analog

.DVD Disks

.Motion Control? *TBA*

.Online...but you have to pay unlike PC

.other things.

I don't really see alot of inovation from MS in the System wars, do you?

I would say:

Nintendo (resurector of todays gaming, and still has aces under its sleeves)

Sony ( Father of gaming as we know it today, has really innovative games as ICO or SotC as well as The Eye of Judgement, which like it or not, is really innovative.)

MS (Made RTS games big, Age of Empires 2 will be forever a clas sic, hasnt done much in terms of gaming, but revolutionzed console gaming by including a working and useful internet service)

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="StringGuard"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]Except Sony and Nintendo are innovative with video games. MS, not so much.StringGuard

Where does the article make a distinction about MS and video games? :lol:

Mr. Stretch Armstrong, ladies and gentleman!

I say clearly and now bold it just for you so slow down, take some deep breaths, whisper to you're PS3 to relax and read again please.

Why is this thread in SW??? Has ZERO to do with video games, especially since the "innovations" you want to promote have ZERO to do with the 360.

Seems to me you should have taken some breaths after reading the article and not made this fanboy thread trying to cup Bill's *****.

MS is a video game company as are the other two - this article pertains to these companies and rates their innovation as a whole so to most of us critical thinking members here, that means it not only belongs on SW but also mean that innovation of MS also applies to the VG division. Sheesh.

Again, I'm now done with you, move along and troll somewhere else. :twisted:

Nintendo (resurector of todays gaming, and still has aces under its sleeves)

kenshinhimura16

Big call there.

You just need a time out me thinks.

MS is a video game company as are the other two - this article pertains to these companies and rates their innovation as a whole so to most of us critical thinking members here, that means it not only belongs on SW but also mean that innovation of MS also applies to the VG division. Sheesh.

Again, I'm now done with you, move along and troll somewhere else. :twisted:

SecretPolice

Most speak of MS innovation in this forum when it pertains to video games. When you see someone say "MS isn't innovative", in SW, they are saying it about xbox.

But here you are, countering that claim, with an article that speaks about MS as a whole. Says ZERO about video games.

Yes, you can be a fanboy and ignore reality, thinking that the article is really talking about the 360. You can do that all day. But anyone with some common sense can look at the three current-gen consoles and can see where the most innovation has occurred. We don't need an article rating companies on a whole (expecially the likes of Soiny and MS that do so many different things).

Again, you are stetching. You are taking an article about MS as a whole and implying that its is about the xbox division. Quit grasping for straws.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Okay, for all the post here already D.C'ing !

It has been debated many times here talking about which COMPANY is more innovative yet I see many here trying to use semantics to divert into talking about what console or specific game is more innovative.

That is not what the article is saying, it is talking about the companies as a whole which as I already said, been the subject here on SW and many, many always try to make MS out to be the Least innovative !

So..... Just Saying :)

Jynxzor

This is fine and all but people are claiming that MS is the least inovative when it comes to video games, almost everything good about the system was taken from another.

.Rumble

.Dual Analog

.DVD Disks

.Motion Control? *TBA*

.Online...but you have to pay unlike PC

.other things.

I don't really see alot of inovation from MS in the System wars, do you?

The Xbox and the start up of XBL was very innovative as well as making a HDD part of the machine.

360 has stepped up with innovative games to many to count but suffice to say, V.P. is about as fresh and innovative a game as I have seen this gen and the XBL business continues to strive to innovate the on-line functions.

Anywho, you are free to think what you want but please don't avoid the facts.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]You just need a time out me thinks.

MS is a video game company as are the other two - this article pertains to these companies and rates their innovation as a whole so to most of us critical thinking members here, that means it not only belongs on SW but also mean that innovation of MS also applies to the VG division. Sheesh.

Again, I'm now done with you, move along and troll somewhere else. :twisted:

StringGuard

Most speak of MS innovation in this forum when it pertains to video games. When you see someone say "MS isn't innovative", in SW, they are saying it about xbox.

But here you are, countering that claim, with an article that speaks about MS as a whole. Says ZERO about video games.

Yes, you can be a fanboy and ignore reality, thinking that the article is really talking about the 360. You can do that all day. But anyone with some common sense can look at the three current-gen consoles and can see where the most innovation has occurred. We don't need an article rating companies on a whole (expecially the likes of Soiny and MS that do so many different things).

Again, you are stetching. You are taking an article about MS as a whole and implying that its is about the xbox division. Quit grasping for straws.

Once again sir, well done.

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Except Sony and Nintendo are innovative with video games. MS, not so much.SecretPolice

No no, he is quite right, Microsoft really has not given us much in the form of new ways to play our games. I mean honestly the only thing I really see them pioneering was a decent & reliable online method (they werent the first but they did it best for consoles, in my humble opinion) As far as games go most of thier innovative games are the products of 3rd party companies, or subsidiaries. Microsoft itself probably just views the 360 as a way of relieving us of our money, not a groundbreaking new technology. I like Microsoft and the Xbox, I really do (I own one), but they are not really groundbreaking. (honestly I dont think that Sony is either) Nintendo is the company taking the risks at the moment, not the other two.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]You just need a time out me thinks.

MS is a video game company as are the other two - this article pertains to these companies and rates their innovation as a whole so to most of us critical thinking members here, that means it not only belongs on SW but also mean that innovation of MS also applies to the VG division. Sheesh.

Again, I'm now done with you, move along and troll somewhere else. :twisted:

StringGuard

Most speak of MS innovation in this forum when it pertains to video games. When you see someone say "MS isn't innovative", in SW, they are saying it about xbox.

But here you are, countering that claim, with an article that speaks about MS as a whole. Says ZERO about video games.

Yes, you can be a fanboy and ignore reality, thinking that the article is really talking about the 360. You can do that all day. But anyone with some common sense can look at the three current-gen consoles and can see where the most innovation has occurred. We don't need an article rating companies on a whole (expecially the likes of Soiny and MS that do so many different things).

Again, you are stetching. You are taking an article about MS as a whole and implying that its is about the xbox division. Quit grasping for straws.

I did not avoid any facts, I stated Online like XBL has been done before and better on the PC, and Developers make games MS makes very few games to be exact.

Publishing and Developing are two different things.

Mass Effect was a good MS made game.

[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"]

Nintendo (resurector of todays gaming, and still has aces under its sleeves)

Danm_999

Big call there.

If it wasnt for Nintendo, gaming would have died with the Atari back in the days. I was not referring to the Wii, since I still havent seen it do something amazing aside from SSBB and SMG.

My response below this post explains very well how MS being innovative as a whole has & will apply to VG and be accepted as common sense to those who actually have common sense. ;)SecretPolice

If all departments at Microsoft were uniform like that, the Xbox project would have made a profit.

Saying that since MS may be innovative in other divisions it will automatically be innovative in all divisions is not common sense, it's lunacy.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"]

Nintendo (resurector of todays gaming, and still has aces under its sleeves)

kenshinhimura16

Big call there.

If it wasnt for Nintendo, gaming would have died with the Atari back in the days. I was not referring to the Wii, since I still havent seen it do something amazing aside from SSBB and SMG.

Your basically forgetting arcade and PC gaming were not only alive during the crash of the 1980s, but thriving.

I did not avoid any facts, I stated Online like XBL has been done before and better on the PC, and Developers make games MS makes very few games to be exact.

Publishing and Developing are two different things.

Mass Effect was a good MS made game.

Jynxzor

I think MS is innovating all the time and being they have only recently got into the VG business; much can be expected in this area over time.

The Xbox and the start up of XBL was very innovative as well as making a HDD part of the machine.

360 has stepped up with innovative games to many to count but suffice to say, V.P. is about as fresh and innovative a game as I have seen this gen and the XBL business continues to strive to innovate the on-line functions.

Anywho, you are free to think what you want but please don't avoid the facts.

SecretPolice

First off, take your own advice; "please don't avoid the facts."

XBL was innovative. But the bulk of the innovation came years ago. The "now" XBL was built off the prior one. I give them kudos for it. But, in reality, they used features that already existed elsewhere to make Live. It was just the first place to put them together on a console. Great stuff but not everlasting.

And then you talk about HDD's? :lol: If it was so innovative, why didn't MS repeat the standard HDD's for the 360? Seems to me they didn't find it to innovative either.

Innovative games? Does MS make games? Bioshock and Gears are great games. No way to deny that. But both of those games could have been on the PS3 and would have played just as good. Again, no direct MS innovation when it comes to games themselves.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]

I did not avoid any facts, I stated Online like XBL has been done before and better on the PC, and Developers make games MS makes very few games to be exact.

Publishing and Developing are two different things.

Mass Effect was a good MS made game.

SecretPolice

Blu Ray disks were on PC?

Motion control only was on PC? *besides a select few games that obviously never really caught on*

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]My response below this post explains very well how MS being innovative as a whole has & will apply to VG and be accepted as common sense to those who actually have common sense. ;)Danm_999

If all departments at Microsoft were uniform like that, the Xbox project would have made a profit.

Saying that since MS may be innovative in other divisions it will automatically be innovative in all divisions is not common sense, it's lunacy.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Jynxzor"]

I did not avoid any facts, I stated Online like XBL has been done before and better on the PC, and Developers make games MS makes very few games to be exact.

Publishing and Developing are two different things.

Mass Effect was a good MS made game.

Jynxzor

Blu Ray disks were on PC?

Motion control only was on PC? *besides a select few games that obviously never really caught on*

Was a game console a innovation even though PC's were already doing the same things ?

You do realise, that 'products' accounts for EVERYTHING they make, and not just the 3-fix-me? Being as MS pioneered allot computing (i'm not sure what, but there not worth billions for nothing) it makes for them to be in the top 50. But for the 360? :|

Thanks for reminding me why i stopped posting here.

Blu Ray disks were on PC?

Motion control only was on PC? *besides a select few games that obviously never really caught on*

Jynxzor

Innovation means the first title to do something, not the first popular title to do something. Motion control in the context Nintendo used it was innovative, but the technology itself was not.

And is Blu-ray really worth considering innovative? Fundamentally it's an advanced disc that has yet to have a major impact on gaming.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Jynxzor"]

I did not avoid any facts, I stated Online like XBL has been done before and better on the PC, and Developers make games MS makes very few games to be exact.

Publishing and Developing are two different things.

Mass Effect was a good MS made game.

SecretPolice

Blu Ray disks were on PC?

Motion control only was on PC? *besides a select few games that obviously never really caught on*

Was a game console a innovation even though PC's were already doing the same things ?

Was a home gaming consol a inovation? No gaming consols are nothing but glorified PC's who cares?

I really don't appreciate the lunacy remark but will only say then in you're mind, it makes sense that a company who is innovative will withhold that innovation from one division of that company ? Maybe the lunatic is not me. ;)SecretPolice

I'm not calling you a lunatic, merely the very broad argument your pushing.

And history is full of firms that are in some respects, extremely innovative and in others extremely lethargic.

Your basically forgetting arcade and PC gaming were not only alive during the crash of the 1980s, but thriving.

Danm_999

And you are TOTALLY forgetting the console market was DEAD, thanks to Atari and Coleco. In fact, Nintendo had to bend of backwards and convince Toy Stores to carry their console, in which they wanted NOTHING to do with since they lost money carrying Atari and Coleco products. Nintendo, without question, saved the console industry single handedly

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

Your basically forgetting arcade and PC gaming were not only alive during the crash of the 1980s, but thriving.

flazzle

And you are TOTALLY forgetting the console market was DEAD, thanks to Atari and Coleco. In fact, Nintendo had to bend of backwards and convince Toy Stores to carry their console, in which they wanted NOTHING to do with since they lost money carrying Atari and Coleco products. Nintendo, without question, saved the console industry single handedly

Yeah sure, the console industry, but remember consoles aren't the entire industry. In fact these days they don't even make the majority of the industry; PC gaming and handhelds are much more significant.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]

Blu Ray disks were on PC?

Motion control only was on PC? *besides a select few games that obviously never really caught on*

Danm_999

Innovation means the first title to do something, not the first popular title to do something. Motion control in the context Nintendo used it was innovative, but the technology itself was not.

And is Blu-ray really worth considering innovative? Fundamentally it's an advanced disc that has yet to have a major impact on gaming.

I personally don't find it inovative to use something that does not work very well, while Motion control existed long ago, not many things have suceeded in using it to this day.

Blu ray is a new disk format, that has prooven to stand the test against HD-DVD and is gaining ground in the game market, Uncharted was a great game and didn't have a manditory instal unlike others, once Blu-Ray development is understood a bit more I can see it being a Real innovation.

i bet you didn't see this coming:

innovative in GAMING or in other markets?... well?

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]I really don't appreciate the lunacy remark but will only say then in you're mind, it makes sense that a company who is innovative will withhold that innovation from one division of that company ? Maybe the lunatic is not me. ;)Danm_999

I'm not calling you a lunatic, merely the very broad argument your pushing.

And history is full of firms that are in some respects, extremely innovative and in others extremely lethargic.

My only point is that to me, it is Not the first thing I would expect from a company like MS who has invested Billions in this industry and on first blush my mind would not jump to conclusion that innovation will Not follow but more-so that it indeed will.

I personally don't find it inovative to use something that does not work very well, Jynxzor

Well unfortunately then you've misunderstood the word. Innovation means bringing something 'new', not bringing something good. Bringing something good has its own merits, but innovation isn't one of them.

while Motion control existed long ago, not many things have suceeded in using it to this day.Jynxzor

Again, true.

Blu ray is a new disk format, that has prooven to stand the test against HD-DVD Jynxzor

And what a massive test that was!

and is gaining ground in the game market, Uncharted was a great game and didn't have a manditory instal unlike others, once Blu-Ray development is understood a bit more I can see it being a Real innovation.

Jynxzor

Not really. It's only making progress on the PS3, a system which represents a very small part of all console, handheld and PC gaming. And really, its not pulling its weight in the way imagined. The fact that PS3 gains have mandatory installations seems contrary to what Blu-ray was trying to achieve.

Me as a N.A. myself find this a bit surprising as well.

4 out of 5 of the top 5 are N.A companies - I bet that is a shock to many ?

1 APPLEUSANorth America47 69 83 Products (52%)2 GOOGLEUSANorth America73 5 53 Customer Experience (26%)3 TOYOTA MOTOR JapanAsia12 1 15 Processes (36%)4 GENERAL ELECTRIC USANorth America9 1 3 Processes (43%)5 MICROSOFT USANorth America16 8 12 Products (26%)

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]

I personally don't find it inovative to use something that does not work very well, Danm_999

Well unfortunately then you've misunderstood the word. Innovation means bringing something 'new', not bringing something good. Bringing something good has its own merits, but innovation isn't one of them.

while Motion control existed long ago, not many things have suceeded in using it to this day.Jynxzor

Again, true.

Blu ray is a new disk format, that has prooven to stand the test against HD-DVD Jynxzor

And what a massive test that was!

and is gaining ground in the game market, Uncharted was a great game and didn't have a manditory instal unlike others, once Blu-Ray development is understood a bit more I can see it being a Real innovation.

Jynxzor

Not really. It's only making progress on the PS3, a system which represents a very small part of all console, handheld and PC gaming. And really, its not pulling its weight in the way imagined. The fact that PS3 gains have mandatory installations seems contrary to what Blu-ray was trying to achieve.

Sadly I agree with you on the Blu-Ray, but I still feel it will start pulling its weight when people get used to developing for it. eh I also guess innovation does fall under a different description, but I just feel you can't call it a real innovation until people accept it but thats just me.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]

Blu Ray disks were on PC?

Motion control only was on PC? *besides a select few games that obviously never really caught on*

Danm_999

Innovation means the first title to do something, not the first popular title to do something. Motion control in the context Nintendo used it was innovative, but the technology itself was not.

And is Blu-ray really worth considering innovative? Fundamentally it's an advanced disc that has yet to have a major impact on gaming.

You do realise, that 'products' accounts for EVERYTHING they make, and not just the 3-fix-me? Being as MS pioneered allot computing (i'm not sure what, but there not worth billions for nothing) it makes for them to be in the top 50. But for the 360? :|

Thanks for reminding me why i stopped posting here.

Rhys555

I think some posters seem to have forgot about this

M$ has never come up with anything on there own including there OS. The core of windows is off the Linux OS and they still use the Mac address system for on-line. The only inovation is how they can milk the consumer in the end. There was an artical from some another source not long ago that showed that M$ has dropped from around the top 10 companies to around the 50th place in the past few years. Heck the video games were around before the personal PC was on the market. I remember back in the 60's there were some of the first electronic game systems in local fairs that came around to small towns once a year (I think it cost a quarter to play a game on these systems back then).

Sony on the other hand is involved with development of most of the latest technology in some way or another. They are also big in science research and electronics that are used in these projects. As for inovation they may not always be the lead developer but they get involved with new development when they can.

As for market values Sony as a whole has a safety in there market shares that protects them from any kind of take-over. This would mean that basicly they only have less than 49% of there total value that's traded on the open market unlike M$ that has there whole stocks traded on the open market (no safety buffer to keep from having another company taking over).

Nintendo is only trying to get the casual gaming market and they really have no other true inovation. This in the long run could bring a lot more consumers into the console gaming market and selling more systems on other game systems. Sony is getting things lined up to be there with something new for these consumers when they are ready to upgrade there gaming systems.