Microsoft on why Xbox One X is not $399

@Pedro: Yes sir I do

You're right in my hypothetical example the game would be 4K 85% of the time so yea it's 4K and apparently the industry agrees with me.

It's not a native 4K title, it's a game with a dynamic frame buffer targeting native 4K.

Then go for it. :) I will be honest though I was underwhelmed with 4k and HDR for the games that I have seen. The best 4k with HDR was Planet Earth 2. Games has been more along the lines of "ehhh".

@Zero_epyon: The price is fine for me. Especially after i paid $500 for the OG XBox One/w Kinect. I think the Xbox One X is a much better value then the OG XBox One. Microsoft is probably going to have some bundles or trade in program at the end of the year , which would be great.

You're clueless as usually. The games can all be done in native 4K. Not every developer wants to do that. You can't blame Microsoft for what other developers do. Microsoft never said every game would run at 30fps or 60fps. They said all the 1st party games would be native 4K. So far, that appears to be the case. They said 3rd party developers can us whatever resolution and fps they wish to use. Some may want their games in native 4K, some may not. So the JOKE is on you.

Useless for most HDTVs with 60 hz limit.

Lol, man cows are too obsessed with XB1 X... its kinda weird. And sad.

Do you know of many 1440p tv's? He's obviously talking about monitors duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

hurr durr

People said $399 because MS had an exclusivity drought and a competitive price point would put the ball back in Sony's court. It's not $399 and MS still didn't sway that exclusivity stigma. Between this and paying an extra couple hundred for an upgraded PC with the potential to kit it out in the future, it's a tough sell IMO. Having said that, I still don't like this whole mid-gen upgrade consoles and this is just an excuse to keep on continuing this gen and not trying to go next-gen sooner.

• I'll just say it's a big deal for those who already own a Xbox One already and depending if you have a 4KTV or not, one should ask, do you really need this thing at all?
• As a U.S citizen, I can tell you know the U.S isn't all that great, some people can be poor or just have a crappy job like working at a fast food joint but at the same time, some people are kinda rich in there own ways. $500 is a lot of money to the U.S citizen and not everyone has that disposable income. I have a good career as a Nurse Practitioner, my income is great and I can go out and buy X if I was in the mood but why would I? Not when I have an Xbox One already and like QuadKnight, I too have a GTX 1070 that can run games easily in 1440p and as well in 4K.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58011/ark-dev-xbox-one-pc-gtx-1070-16gb-ram/index.html

ARK dev:

As for the comparisons between the PC and Xbox One X, he said: "If you think about it, it's kind of equivalent to a GTX 1070

X1X's Shadow of War has 4K resolution.

X1X's Gears of War 4 campaign mode has 4K resolution.

$100 more for a console that will run 90% of the games so similar to the Pro that there won't be a perceivable difference for the majority of people. The hardware may be worth $100 more but the experience definitely not. Microsoft screwed up with this one yet again.

It's what I expected the price to be, and I'm ready for it to release.

TC you seem very interested in the XOneX, nice to see such passion.

Price doesn't bother me, they say it's 40% more powerful than any other console(which would be the Pro I assume) so it must cost more to manufacture. Seems like I'm getting good value for my money, so I'm good with the price tag.

the console itself is fine. looking at it in isolation its a good console and the price is fair. the specs are very nice for the price. its in a small box. nice controller. developer friendly. no messing. its a good console at a fair price. if i was upgrading from the PS3 or 360 then the X1X would be a tempting box.

but its not in isolation. the PS4 pro is 100 quid less expensive. the X1X does have more umph but will people outside digital foundry really notice? its not a massive jump going from the pro to the X1X. so how are MS going to justify the price premium? as sony already know all to well 4K and HDR are hard to sell over the internet.

@getyeryayasout: If a PS5 came out in 2018 with 8TF and a Ryzen CPU with 16GB GDDR5 Ram it would probably cost about $700 or more. If Sony priced it at $500, they would easily lose a couple $100 on every unit sold. So I don't expect they will do a PS5 until 2019 or 2020. By then the costs will have dropped enough to get the console's price to $500.

I think it's just them being butthurt for using a 4k bluray player, which they pay Sony to use, so they jacked up the price.

@osan0: The jump is from Xbox One to One X, not Pro to OneX. That's the comparison potential Xbox buyers will be considering.

What's the setup for 16 GB GDDR5? 512 bit bus equipped PCB with current GDDR5 storage densities?

Each GDDR5 chip has 32 bit bus.

X1X dev kit already has 24 GB of GDDR5 which is 2X the storage over the retail X1X's 12 GB.

The left side = standard GDDR5 configuration. Retail X1X has 12 of these connections and each chip has 1 GB storage.

The right side = clamshell mode GDDR5 configuration. High chance for X1X dev kit has 12 of these connections. Yields 2X storage.

They offer great value hardware wise and yet people still complain. Even I'm impressed. You want a cheap box then go for the S which is $250.

@Zero_epyon said:

also

"They asked us for uncompromised true 4K in the living room...."

Lol, so funny! But seriously, who asked?

OT: It's a pretty beastly machine -- but that $499 is terrible. Everyone swore it was launching at $399!

The price is not the problem. It's not all MS' fault, there aren't many interesting 3rd party projects coming out to make the purchase of an XboneX worthy for me at the moment. XboneX was supposed to be my 3rd party machine after all, it's the most powerful machine for the job (PC excluded).

Well they are just upset because they no longer have the most powerful console on the planet. The PS4 Pro is an awesome machine, but it is nothing compared against the Xbox One X. They should be thankful for the Xbox One X because it will make more developers develop for both platforms more. Right now the PS4 Pro is not getting the best support! My Xbox One X will be for nonexclusive games and my PS4 Pro will be for Sony exclusives. It really is an awesome combo of machines!

I think they should have left 4k uhd player out even if it meant the console to be only 50 less at 450€.

Or even better. Make the cpu better and console costing 500 without 4k disk player for movies.

For 4k hdr movies disk player there would be the x1s

@Xabiss: "Right now the PS4 Pro is not getting the best support!"

That won't matter much since the PS4 is actually getting the best third party support by far. Take, for example, those 2 Housemarque games coming to PS4 and none to Xbox. The same with big games like Nier, Yakuza, Nioh or Persona 5. More and more third party developers are ignoring the Xbox because it isn't worth to invest resources for a console that sells relatively low and has an install base that doesn't buy many games other than Halo and Gears. So yeah, with the X1X this will continue to be the case, maybe even worse.

Is that why Microsoft showed off 40+ titles at E3 and Sony only showed off like 15. I think Microsoft is getting plenty of 3rd party support so knock it off with that BS.

But one, let’s really usher in true 4K where developers don’t have to think about, ‘Wow, how do we stretch this and make it really work?’ We needed to deliver that to consumers.

Hahahhahahaa Is official the PS4 Pro is a true 4k machine since 4k means native,dynamic and checkerboard.

All cows are PC guys.....when it suits them. Quack is one of the biggest offenders of this

Just like the xbox one could not hold its own against the PS4?

But you have not care for 3+ years and still don't you just care about the XBO X...lol

Dynamic and checkerboard is not native 4k so MS claiming they are delivering and uncompromised true 4k experience is a lie.

@tormentos: couldn't hold its own as in 900p vs. 1080p? Brain dead fanboys and biased media help drive that home.

The true 4K is here and only going to get more numerous. Enjoy your worst versions.

FoxBatAlpha was right about you.

@Xabiss: 40+ titles of which 38+ are also on PS4. The fact is that the PS4 is getting much more support from third party developers and of higher quality and the amount of games shown on E3 have nothing to do with that. I'm sorry but Xbox will have to do much better than Fifa legends if they want gamers to notice them and even that is coming to PS4

Hahahahahahaa HYPOCRITE....

The PS4 and xbox one says high and you did not care 2 shits...hahaha

Pathetic excuse developers can use power as the want on xbox one and PS4 and PS4 pro that doesn't mean that when a game is not native in resolution that is the fault of the developer Doom has dynamic resolution on both xbox one and PS4 because non of the 2 can hold 1080p 60FPS on the game,so yeah it drops which is a compromise they sacrifice pixels for frames is a trade off and show lack of power to run the game in question all the time locked,on xbox one X is exactly the same using checkerboard and dynamic resolution is the results of the xbox one X not having enough resources to run the game 100% of the time locked.

It is call a trade off and yes it is implemented because of the lack of power,developers having the option to chose mean shit,because if the developer wanted to keep resolution lock and frames it would have to give up quality to do so which again is another trade off.

The only person that's been rekt more than you is el tormented. Posting a gif and saying someone is having a meltdown is not reking anyone quack.

Perhaps if they had showed off some good reasons to invest in a Scorpio then the price wouldn't seem so terrible

@metalslimenite: and Nintendo will leap frog all of them

@tormentos: Trying to think who would win in a shit-talking contest between you, a politician and a used car salesman? Photo finish.

Add me to the camp that paid $499 for Xbox One Day One Edition with Kinect. So you know I'm in for Xbox One X day one! I made it a point to own all three (4) (PS4, Xbox One, Wii U, Switch) day one. A 2nd place to 1st place console is right up my alley. I love to see powershifts in System Wars.