microsoft really needs some big franchises

I like pie...

are you...serious?

Halo, Mass Effect, Too Human, Blue Dragon (yes, it will be a popular franchise despite some fanboys hope to shoot it down), Lost Odyssey, Gears of War, Crackdown, Forza, Perfect Dark (yes, it's still a successful franchise, AAA), Kameo, Viva Pinata, and Banjo.

It looks like they have games for every genre and every age.

Blue Dragon (yes, it will be a popular franchise despite some fanboys hope to shoot it down)

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Blue Dragon (yes, it will be a popular franchise despite some fanboys hope to shoot it down)

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As I lem I can't agree with this one man. The demo was pure trash.

wait.... i think this guy is actually serious?

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As I lem I can't agree with this one man. The demo was pure trash.

I liked both and pre-ordered both, but I still liked Blue Dragon better. I think Blue Dragon will end up doing better since it's a 1st party title that many people will expect quality from, and it is quality, but just a bit too old-school for people. It doesn't do anything new, but I'm fine with that.

i don't understand how ms ever expects to become relevent in the industry with just halo. i mean when sony was a newcomer it was one massive hit after another. playstation brought us resident evil, gran turismo, crash bandicoot, twisted metal, tekken, tomb raider, spyro, ridge racer, GTA, silent hill, wipeout, metal gear solid, final fantasy (i could say many more) and then continued with bucketloads more huge new ips with the ps2. what does xbox have to show so far? halo and erm.......fable......then a bunch of tiny insignificant ones like forza, PGR....god i cant even name three. ms will never be a sizeable threat if the situation doesn't improve. their first and second party devs just aren't strong enough to create a long running game franchise.---OkeyDokey---

Sooooo, for PS1/2 you list a bunch of third party games, but then compare it to MS 1st and 2nd party?? Maybe you missed the memo that Bioshock was just released, both a new IP and getting AAA/AAAA pretty much everywhere. That is just as relevent as all the 3rd party titles you list.

i don't understand how ms ever expects to become relevent in the industry with just halo. i mean when sony was a newcomer it was one massive hit after another. playstation brought us resident evil, gran turismo, crash bandicoot, twisted metal, tekken, tomb raider, spyro, ridge racer, GTA, silent hill, wipeout, metal gear solid, final fantasy (i could say many more) and then continued with bucketloads more huge new ips with the ps2. what does xbox have to show so far? halo and erm.......fable......then a bunch of tiny insignificant ones like forza, PGR....god i cant even name three. ms will never be a sizeable threat if the situation doesn't improve. their first and second party devs just aren't strong enough to create a long running game franchise.---OkeyDokey---

Halo, Mass Effect, Too Human, Blue Dragon (yes, it will be a popular franchise despite some fanboys hope to shoot it down), Lost Odyssey, Gears of War, Crackdown, Forza, Perfect Dark (yes, it's still a successful franchise, AAA), Kameo, Viva Pinata, and Banjo.

It looks like they have games for every genre and every age.

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Halo, Mass Effect, Too Human, Blue Dragon (yes, it will be a popular franchise despite some fanboys hope to shoot it down), Lost Odyssey, Gears of War, Crackdown, Forza, Perfect Dark (yes, it's still a successful franchise, AAA), Kameo, Viva Pinata, and Banjo.

It looks like they have games for every genre and every age.

[/QUOTE those aren't franchises. and i wouldn't call them big hits at all. apart from gears which is not xbox only, we could see it on ps3 for the sequel. back in the psone days gran turismo, RE, crash, FF, metal gear and all their sequels are 7 million+ selling games. you compare them to commercial failures like viva pinata and kameo? the reason the 360 isn't as big as it should be is because its lacking huge franchises. put it this way, if halo ceased to exist then the xbox brand would die instantly, whereas in REs case of severely stagnated sales these days the ps brand has alot to fall back on. get what i mean now?---OkeyDokey---

[QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"]i don't understand how ms ever expects to become relevent in the industry with just halo. i mean when sony was a newcomer it was one massive hit after another. playstation brought us resident evil, gran turismo, crash bandicoot, twisted metal, tekken, tomb raider, spyro, ridge racer, GTA, silent hill, wipeout, metal gear solid, final fantasy (i could say many more) and then continued with bucketloads more huge new ips with the ps2. what does xbox have to show so far? halo and erm.......fable......then a bunch of tiny insignificant ones like forza, PGR....god i cant even name three. ms will never be a sizeable threat if the situation doesn't improve. their first and second party devs just aren't strong enough to create a long running game franchise._koolgirl_

Sooooo, for PS1/2 you list a bunch of third party games, but then compare it to MS 1st and 2nd party?? Maybe you missed the memo that Bioshock was just released, both a new IP and getting AAA/AAAA pretty much everywhere. That is just as relevent as all the 3rd party titles you list.

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Halo, Mass Effect, Too Human, Blue Dragon (yes, it will be a popular franchise despite some fanboys hope to shoot it down), Lost Odyssey, Gears of War, Crackdown, Forza, Perfect Dark (yes, it's still a successful franchise, AAA), Kameo, Viva Pinata, and Banjo.

It looks like they have games for every genre and every age.

[/QUOTE those aren't franchises. and i wouldn't call them big hits at all. apart from gears which is not xbox only, we could see it on ps3 for the sequel. back in the psone days gran turismo, RE, crash, FF, metal gear and all their sequels are 7 million+ selling games. you compare them to commercial failures like viva pinata and kameo? the reason the 360 isn't as big as it should be is because its lacking huge franchises. put it this way, if halo ceased to exist then the xbox brand would die instantly, whereas in REs case of severely stagnated sales these days the ps brand has alot to fall back on. get what i mean now?bluebrad1974

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[QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"]i don't understand how ms ever expects to become relevent in the industry with just halo. i mean when sony was a newcomer it was one massive hit after another. playstation brought us resident evil, gran turismo, crash bandicoot, twisted metal, tekken, tomb raider, spyro, ridge racer, GTA, silent hill, wipeout, metal gear solid, final fantasy (i could say many more) and then continued with bucketloads more huge new ips with the ps2. what does xbox have to show so far? halo and erm.......fable......then a bunch of tiny insignificant ones like forza, PGR....god i cant even name three. ms will never be a sizeable threat if the situation doesn't improve. their first and second party devs just aren't strong enough to create a long running game franchise.---OkeyDokey---

Sooooo, for PS1/2 you list a bunch of third party games, but then compare it to MS 1st and 2nd party?? Maybe you missed the memo that Bioshock was just released, both a new IP and getting AAA/AAAA pretty much everywhere. That is just as relevent as all the 3rd party titles you list.

[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"][QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Halo, Mass Effect, Too Human, Blue Dragon (yes, it will be a popular franchise despite some fanboys hope to shoot it down), Lost Odyssey, Gears of War, Crackdown, Forza, Perfect Dark (yes, it's still a successful franchise, AAA), Kameo, Viva Pinata, and Banjo.

It looks like they have games for every genre and every age.

[/QUOTE those aren't franchises. and i wouldn't call them big hits at all. apart from gears which is not xbox only, we could see it on ps3 for the sequel. back in the psone days gran turismo, RE, crash, FF, metal gear and all their sequels are 7 million+ selling games. you compare them to commercial failures like viva pinata and kameo? the reason the 360 isn't as big as it should be is because its lacking huge franchises. put it this way, if halo ceased to exist then the xbox brand would die instantly, whereas in REs case of severely stagnated sales these days the ps brand has alot to fall back on. get what i mean now?---OkeyDokey---

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[QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"]i don't understand how ms ever expects to become relevent in the industry with just halo. i mean when sony was a newcomer it was one massive hit after another. playstation brought us resident evil, gran turismo, crash bandicoot, twisted metal, tekken, tomb raider, spyro, ridge racer, GTA, silent hill, wipeout, metal gear solid, final fantasy (i could say many more) and then continued with bucketloads more huge new ips with the ps2. what does xbox have to show so far? halo and erm.......fable......then a bunch of tiny insignificant ones like forza, PGR....god i cant even name three. ms will never be a sizeable threat if the situation doesn't improve. their first and second party devs just aren't strong enough to create a long running game franchise.---OkeyDokey---

Sooooo, for PS1/2 you list a bunch of third party games, but then compare it to MS 1st and 2nd party?? Maybe you missed the memo that Bioshock was just released, both a new IP and getting AAA/AAAA pretty much everywhere. That is just as relevent as all the 3rd party titles you list.

Wow..... you assume Bioshock won't have a sequel or push hardware sales and all that? I guess all those titles you list for PS1/2 were massive first day 7 million copy sellers even before people knew what they were. Obviously no one bought those games because of the massive praise and hype those games got after they came out.

Halo..

Fable

Age of Empires (probably their second biggest franchise)

Flight Sim

Forza

PGR

Rares franchises

More then 3 :O

Oh and btw, since you don't seem to know, both Metal Gear and Final Fantasy started out on Nintendo consoles._koolgirl_

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Halo, Mass Effect, Too Human, Blue Dragon (yes, it will be a popular franchise despite some fanboys hope to shoot it down), Lost Odyssey, Gears of War, Crackdown, Forza, Perfect Dark (yes, it's still a successful franchise, AAA), Kameo, Viva Pinata, and Banjo.

It looks like they have games for every genre and every age.

[/QUOTE those aren't franchises. and i wouldn't call them big hits at all. apart from gears which is not xbox only, we could see it on ps3 for the sequel. back in the psone days gran turismo, RE, crash, FF, metal gear and all their sequels are 7 million+ selling games. you compare them to commercial failures like viva pinata and kameo? the reason the 360 isn't as big as it should be is because its lacking huge franchises. put it this way, if halo ceased to exist then the xbox brand would die instantly, whereas in REs case of severely stagnated sales these days the ps brand has alot to fall back on. get what i mean now?bluebrad1974

it's almost embarassing reading this stuff, infact, i think the gears thing on ps3 is sig worthy.

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[QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"]i don't understand how ms ever expects to become relevent in the industry with just halo. i mean when sony was a newcomer it was one massive hit after another. playstation brought us resident evil, gran turismo, crash bandicoot, twisted metal, tekken, tomb raider, spyro, ridge racer, GTA, silent hill, wipeout, metal gear solid, final fantasy (i could say many more) and then continued with bucketloads more huge new ips with the ps2. what does xbox have to show so far? halo and erm.......fable......then a bunch of tiny insignificant ones like forza, PGR....god i cant even name three. ms will never be a sizeable threat if the situation doesn't improve. their first and second party devs just aren't strong enough to create a long running game franchise._koolgirl_

Sooooo, for PS1/2 you list a bunch of third party games, but then compare it to MS 1st and 2nd party?? Maybe you missed the memo that Bioshock was just released, both a new IP and getting AAA/AAAA pretty much everywhere. That is just as relevent as all the 3rd party titles you list.

Wow..... you assume Bioshock won't have a sequel or push hardware sales and all that? I guess all those titles you list for PS1/2 were massive first day 7 million copy sellers even before people knew what they were. Obviously no one bought those games because of the massive praise and hype those games got after they came out.

*sigh* i shouldn't have bothered trying to get this through the heads of 13 year olds---OkeyDokey---

you're the one who's making such a ridiculous arguement.

[QUOTE="_koolgirl_"]Oh and btw, since you don't seem to know, both Metal Gear and Final Fantasy started out on Nintendo consoles.---OkeyDokey---

But franchises like Devil May Cry and Resident Evil won't be big for MS??

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Halo, Mass Effect, Too Human, Blue Dragon (yes, it will be a popular franchise despite some fanboys hope to shoot it down), Lost Odyssey, Gears of War, Crackdown, Forza, Perfect Dark (yes, it's still a successful franchise, AAA), Kameo, Viva Pinata, and Banjo.

It looks like they have games for every genre and every age.

[/QUOTE those aren't franchises. and i wouldn't call them big hits at all. apart from gears which is not xbox only, we could see it on ps3 for the sequel. back in the psone days gran turismo, RE, crash, FF, metal gear and all their sequels are 7 million+ selling games. you compare them to commercial failures like viva pinata and kameo? the reason the 360 isn't as big as it should be is because its lacking huge franchises. put it this way, if halo ceased to exist then the xbox brand would die instantly, whereas in REs case of severely stagnated sales these days the ps brand has alot to fall back on. get what i mean now?Juggernaut140

it's almost embarassing reading this stuff, infact, i think the gears thing on ps3 is sig worthy.

[QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"][QUOTE="_koolgirl_"]Oh and btw, since you don't seem to know, both Metal Gear and Final Fantasy started out on Nintendo consoles._koolgirl_

But franchises like Devil May Cry and Resident Evil won't be big for MS??

You don't understand do you.

MS is a part owner of of the gears of war IP.

This would be like pokemon going to the PSP.

[QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"]*sigh* i shouldn't have bothered trying to get this through the heads of 13 year oldsJuggernaut140

you're the one who's making such a ridiculous arguement.

You don't understand do you.

MS is a part owner of of the gears of war IP.

This would be like pokemon going to the PSP.

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So you will quickly discount a title like Bioshock (eventhough it's currently the 3rd best seller at Gamestop.com overall), but your going to stand behind something like Uncharted I'm assuming? Have you seen the reviews for Motorstorm? Lair?

90% of the titles you listed were 3rd party games. Other than FF and MGS, what does Sony have?

So you will quickly discount a title like Bioshock (eventhough it's currently the 3rd best seller at Gamestop.com overall), but your going to stand behind something like Uncharted I'm assuming? Have you seen the reviews for Motorstorm? Lair?

90% of the titles you listed were 3rd party games. Other than FF and MGS, what does Sony have?

_koolgirl_

At least MS actually owns their biggest title._koolgirl_

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Blue Dragon (yes, it will be a popular franchise despite some fanboys hope to shoot it down)

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Agreed, stop hyping this game, please! The demo was a joke. A bad Japanese game for kids wont work on the 360.

Back on topic, blueberry pie is my favorite.

look i'll dumb it down a bit sony managed to break into the market with tonnes of big games that propelled the success of the console and brand name. microsofts consoles haven't taken off because they so far lack games with large widespread appeal. im just saying that if ms wants to outdo its competitors it needs more games with halo levels of success which they are lacking.---OkeyDokey---

Right, but games like Gears of War, Bioshock and Mass Effect obviously don't count in your eyes. You speak of the new great IPs that PS1/2 brought, yet ignore the ones MS have brought (are bringing)out.

[QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"]look i'll dumb it down a bit sony managed to break into the market with tonnes of big games that propelled the success of the console and brand name. microsofts consoles haven't taken off because they so far lack games with large widespread appeal. im just saying that if ms wants to outdo its competitors it needs more games with halo levels of success which they are lacking._koolgirl_

Right, but games like Gears of War, Bioshock and Mass Effect obviously don't count in your eyes. You speak of the new great IPs that PS1/2 brought, yet ignore the ones MS have brought (are bringing)out.

I agree MS needs some more franchises. The good news is that they know this as well, and are working very hard on it. Halo is such a huge franchise but really it looks like it's coming to an end. I know Halo Wars is coming out, and some Peter Jackson project, but really these are just attempts by MS to milk the franchise. The fact is that Halo is a FPS made by Bungie, and unless Bungie make more Halo games then Halo Wars and whatever are just the 'Mario Party' games of the franchise.

MS knows this and luckily they struck gold with Gears of War. The first game sold loads, and MS are already bringing out books, t-shirts, action figures, soundtracks, a movie etc. MS knows Gears of War can be the new big franchise and they're positioning it to take over from Halo once Halo3 is finished.

They also have Mass Effect, which already has a book out, and looks to be a huge AAA franchise. Bioware have said it's a trilogy so that's another 2 games after the original that they can use to sell more 360s, or the new xbox.

Other than those two though MS needs more. At the moment they've just got poor rip offs of Nintendo or Sony games.

Forza is nice and all but lets be honest when it comes to sales numbers Gran Turismo absolutely destroys it.

Blue Dragon was supposed to be good but mediocre reviews kind of look like they'll kill that franchise before it even got started.

Lost Odyssey could be big, but the gameplay is going to have to be special because it's unlikely that it'll ever be able to compete with the success of Final Fantasy.

Crackdown has potential to be a great franchise, but they'll really need to improve on the formula for the second one because the original had a lot of flaws. Like many of the MS franchises this also looks like a poor mans version of a better franchise (GTA) even if it was quite unique with it's sci fi setting and super hero like abilities.

Banjo could become big again, but Rare aren't the team they used to be, and it's never going to match Mario, or even big selling franchises like Jak and Daxter or Ratchet and Clank.

Alan Wake looks like a very promising prospect. Max Payne games were pretty cool, and from what we've seen of Alan Wake the game looks original, and pretty spectacular graphically. It's a shame it's coming to PC at the same time, because that means they can't sell it as a big 360 exclusive like they can Mass Effect, Halo, or Gears of War (when it originally came out.)

Lets not forget the failed franchises like Blinx:lol: Anybody remember that time travelling cat from the xbox days.

IMO MS need a big 3rd person action adventure game. Something similar to the action of God of War, Heavenly Sword, with the great adventure elements of Zelda. Clarly they tried to secure such a game with Too Human, but at the moment that game is looking like a total disaster. Maybe they could assemble a good Japanese team to produce a decent new IP. As others have said they also need more franchises that are going to appeal to casuals, because lots of their successful games at the moment seem to only target Americans, and hardcore gamers

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[QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"]look i'll dumb it down a bit sony managed to break into the market with tonnes of big games that propelled the success of the console and brand name. microsofts consoles haven't taken off because they so far lack games with large widespread appeal. im just saying that if ms wants to outdo its competitors it needs more games with halo levels of success which they are lacking.---OkeyDokey---

Right, but games like Gears of War, Bioshock and Mass Effect obviously don't count in your eyes. You speak of the new great IPs that PS1/2 brought, yet ignore the ones MS have brought (are bringing)out.

Make up your mind what you want to argue about. You bring up new IPs, big franchises, now worldwide sales. You bring up titles with "Halo" levels of success, but now all of a sudden it's titles of "Halo's" level of success that appeal to other countries. On that note, Europe is so different from America with their taste in games?? Other than sports I don't see it.

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[QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"]look i'll dumb it down a bit sony managed to break into the market with tonnes of big games that propelled the success of the console and brand name. microsofts consoles haven't taken off because they so far lack games with large widespread appeal. im just saying that if ms wants to outdo its competitors it needs more games with halo levels of success which they are lacking._koolgirl_

Right, but games like Gears of War, Bioshock and Mass Effect obviously don't count in your eyes. You speak of the new great IPs that PS1/2 brought, yet ignore the ones MS have brought (are bringing)out.

Make up your mind what you want to argue about. You bring up new IPs, big franchises, now worldwide sales. You bring up titles with "Halo" levels of success, but now all of a sudden it's titles of "Halo's" level of success that appeal to other countries. On that note, Europe is so different from America with their taste in games?? Other than sports I don't see it.

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[QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"]look i'll dumb it down a bit sony managed to break into the market with tonnes of big games that propelled the success of the console and brand name. microsofts consoles haven't taken off because they so far lack games with large widespread appeal. im just saying that if ms wants to outdo its competitors it needs more games with halo levels of success which they are lacking.---OkeyDokey---

Right, but games like Gears of War, Bioshock and Mass Effect obviously don't count in your eyes. You speak of the new great IPs that PS1/2 brought, yet ignore the ones MS have brought (are bringing)out.

Do you know why Nintendo and Sony appeal to Japan? Because they are Japanese companies! Japanese game-makes know what Japanese people like.It just happens to be a coincidence that the Americans,Japanese, and Europeans all like Japanese games.While American games appeal mostly to jost America and Europe.And actually Gears of War sold very well for an Xbox 360 game in Japan.