Microsoft shouldn't make another console.

So you're saying the Xbox 1 couldn't burn down people's houses last-gen ;) ?Dualshockin

It's hard to prove a negative, and I have a feeling you must be talking about some individual's wacky tragedy. I'm talking about pervasive problems. Should Sony get out of the laptop business because its exploding batteries have turned pickup trucks into burnt-out husks?

[QUOTE="Karl_123210"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]True,if MS make the smart decision and go back to software,it will be interesting to see which platform gets their biggest franchises(Halo,Forza,and DOA). I predict the PC will get them.Dualshockin

Why would that be the "smart" decision? Wouldn't that just water down the market and make a monopoly over the gaming industry? With Microsoft in the market Playstation and Nintendo have to keep on there toes and produce better products for their consumers. Competition = good for the business.

1. I do not know the numbers or anything, but I am going on a hunch that when Sony had fainacial problems when they started out in the video game console business. Sony released the Playstation when the king of all video game systems Nintendo was king. Sony had to crawl it's way to the top when they hit there peak with the PS2. Microsoft imo is on a good path. The first Xbox while having better graphics than the PS2 didn't have the game library as Sony did. Now with the XBOX 360 game library is growing more diverse every day and is attracting more and different audiences. They are even getting big name Japanese developers taking them serious.

2. So you are saying that Microsoft is not helping Sony out buy giving them competition to produce better games?

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]How about they should learn from this and make an even better console... It is possible.Dualshockin

[QUOTE="Karl_123210"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]True,if MS make the smart decision and go back to software,it will be interesting to see which platform gets their biggest franchises(Halo,Forza,and DOA). I predict the PC will get them.Dualshockin

Why would that be the "smart" decision? Wouldn't that just water down the market and make a monopoly over the gaming industry? With Microsoft in the market Playstation and Nintendo have to keep on there toes and produce better products for their consumers. Competition = good for the business.

Are you saying the 360 didnt have a good E3? A good example is to look at the poll at the Gamespot homepage.

Would you even admit that the PS3 is not were they want to be?

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Heil68"] Well maybe Sony should give up too? It doesn't appear they'll beat Nintendo, have lost a ton of money and not a profit in sight for them either.Dualshockin

lol that made me laugh. so how did you calculate it your hypothesis? you mean your opinion.:lol::lol::lol:

You 360 people look at sales and say we're ahead we've sold more systems then you and thus we are superior. That is a stupid argument as you started a year before PS3. Why not take benchmarks. For example take when Halo 3 comes out and see where 360 then wait a year and compare those to PS3 sales.Also as a systemMS's half assed dive into next gen does not compare to sony.

Next you claim the PS3 is overpriced how so if it is value for money and the 360 which is much less powerful is not less than half the price. Then you go on to say it has no games for an overpriced consel with no games selling 3 million units is pretty good. Then you claim well 360 costs less, yes MS cut corners for the second time it has made a consel and with no great surprise 1 in 3 will fail. Just BTW the new 360 you get sent back doesn't count as a sale.

Further you come up with the no games s*it. I do not know if you missed E3 but plenty of games were shown most avaiable over the next year for PS3. What did MS show ..... oh right they were only showing games for the rest of the year. I guess we can look foward to X0.... Oh right, that's cancelled as well. On top of that Sony has more stuff to show off.

You idiots keepstay blindtill Halo 3 cause after that while you are up here posting about how MS is incompetent we'll be racing beautiful Ferrari's in GT5, and lovin MGS4, etc...

BTW to the investment banker. investment is when you put money into something that you hope will grow and return you your original investment and then some. Its not a blackhole you just dump money into.

How about they should learn from this and make an even better console... It is possible.Dahaka-UK

Agreed. The 360's self-destruct issue is a huge, dark mark on an otherwise stellar effort from MS. Hopefully, Falcon will swoop down and set this all straight. My fingers are crossed. I mean, who doesn't want to play Mass Effect, Ninja Gaiden 2, Bioshock, and the rest?

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]The fact of the matter is simple:Microsoft could have easily been making a profit on their brand this generation,yet they have failed again and will not make a profit due to their shady tactics of incorporating suspicious hardware parts in their product. The more IPs is one angle,the competition have much more to offer and this is exactly why the Xbox brand will almost never be successful in Japan.Ask yourself,Halo,a game that is regarded by Xbox supporters to be the best FPS on consoles,has not even stood out as a great title overseas.Why is this? The harsh reality is this:The Xbox brand is successful in North America but is struggling everywhere else.I honestly can not see how the next Xbox will be profitable(That is,if MS plan on releasing one),seeing as how both Sony and Nintendo are positioned to have the cheapest consoles and by the way things are going,the most stand out franchises next-gen. If I were to take a stab at it,I would say the company that has made the best investment this gen is in fact Sony.Ninja-Vox

The Xbox does just fine in Europe. It fails hardcore in Japan, does very well in the states and does no better or worse than Sony in the UK and other European countries. I also love how you basically offer no response to my post at all. Good job, DS!

Let's recap; you come out with non-sensical stuff saying the xbox is a baaaad investment because the first one didn't make any money and neither is the second. I kindly point out to you that you clearly dont know what an investment is because the first one was never going to make money. I then explain how the second COULD have made money but didn't because microsoft let themselves down with the hardware and now have to pay for it. Next gen however, they can and WILL make profit because they have everything they need to do so. Investment paid off.

Therefore, they SHOULD make another console and it WAS a good investment because they WILL make money, even if ends up taking longer than they expected. Big deal. They're still making money out of it; which is the primary goal of an investment in the first place. A long-term plan to increase your money.

So you just go owned, basically. Bye.

*note; i also love how you twist poor hardware into "shady tactic of using suspicious hardware parts..." Indeed, their transistors are made with witchcraft!

The videogame industry, according to Dualshockin:

One day, Bill Gates takes a piece of paper and draws a new xbox. He then hands this to a man who has a nice tie and an engineering degree, who takes it away to work on the magical chips which make it work. Witchcraft then happens, and the console is on store shelves, ready for microsoft to hope to god that this one makes money. They have no long-term strategy at all. No business plan. They just make each xbox as it comes, and hope it works out.

I think we can all agree that Dualshockin should be an executive. Maybe he can show all these people running multi-billion dollar conglomerates what they're doing wrong.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"] So you're saying the Xbox 1 couldn't burn down people's houses last-gen ;) ?WeeWeeJumbo

It's hard to prove a negative, and I have a feeling you must be talking about some individual's wacky tragedy. I'm talking about pervasive problems. Should Sony get out of the laptop business because its exploding batteries have turned pickup trucks into burnt-out husks?

The videogame industry, according to Dualshockin:

One day, Bill Gates takes a piece of paper and draws a new xbox. He then hands this to a man who has a nice tie and an engineering degree, who takes it away to work on the magical chips which make it work. Witchcraft then happens, and the console is on store shelves, ready for microsoft to hope to god that this one makes money. They have no long-term strategy at all. No business plan. They just make each xbox as it comes, and hope it works out.

I think we can all agree that Dualshockin should be an executive. Maybe he can show all these people running multi-billion dollar conglomerates what they're doing wrong.

Ninja-Vox

thats when i find a new hobby.

The videogame industry, according to Dualshockin:

One day, Bill Gates takes a piece of paper and draws a new xbox. He then hands this to a man who has a nice tie and an engineering degree, who takes it away to work on the magical chips which make it work. Witchcraft then happens, and the console is on store shelves, ready for microsoft to hope to god that this one makes money. They have no long-term strategy at all. No business plan. They just make each xbox as it comes, and hope it works out.

I think we can all agree that Dualshockin should be an executive. Maybe he can show all these people running multi-billion dollar conglomerates what they're doing wrong.

Ninja-Vox

If you truthfully believe the Xbox brand is bigger than the Playstation brand in Europe,then it appears Microsoft are quite good at deceiving the public. Sure,Microsoft could've made a profit with the 360,but there's no such thing as "letting yourselves down" in the business world,simply put: Microsoft "jumped in" a little too quickly,out of hopes that the amount of market share they get will somehow be enough to dethrone the Playstation brand. So far,they haven't made a profit with the Xbox 360 console,have fired the 'leader' of the brand,and are now looking to make no profit in the coming years.This begs the question:Is there plan this generation a good one or a bad one? I believe you know the answer to that one.Dualshockin

At no point did i say it was bigger; if you actually read the post, it says quite clearly that they're no worse off that Sony. Next.

They did let themselves down. They COULD have made profit and didn't because their hardware wasn't up to scratch. Next.

Finally, Peter Moore - who has moved on to a better job - is fired, you say. Yet Ken Kutaragi who was full-on demoted to a lower position in the company; happily left of his own accord? Does the PS3 come with it's own propaganda messages or is this all of your own accord?

Again; you offer no response. "Is there (spelling) plan this generation a good? I believe you know the answer..."

Where's the response mr? Did you not say the xbox was a bad investment? Did i not spell out for you why you're completely wrong and dont even know what an investment is? Have you no response to that? Can i just say ownage approved then?

As for "there (spelling) plan this generation" not being a good one. How so? They're competing. They're gaining more market share. They're getting more live subscribers. They COULD have made money, but we've established their hardware let them down, so they wont. They probably wont be turning a profit until next gen now.

Anything else to add? :|

The videogame industry, according to Dualshockin:

One day, Bill Gates takes a piece of paper and draws a new xbox. He then hands this to a man who has a nice tie and an engineering degree, who takes it away to work on the magical chips which make it work. Witchcraft then happens, and the console is on store shelves, ready for microsoft to hope to god that this one makes money. They have no long-term strategy at all. No business plan. They just make each xbox as it comes, and hope it works out.

I think we can all agree that Dualshockin should be an executive. Maybe he can show all these people running multi-billion dollar conglomerates what they're doing wrong.

Ninja-Vox

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

The videogame industry, according to Dualshockin:

One day, Bill Gates takes a piece of paper and draws a new xbox. He then hands this to a man who has a nice tie and an engineering degree, who takes it away to work on the magical chips which make it work. Witchcraft then happens, and the console is on store shelves, ready for microsoft to hope to god that this one makes money. They have no long-term strategy at all. No business plan. They just make each xbox as it comes, and hope it works out.

I think we can all agree that Dualshockin should be an executive. Maybe he can show all these people running multi-billion dollar conglomerates what they're doing wrong.

Dualshockin

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"] So you believe that spending billions on dollars in a brand that has yet to make them a single dollar(6 years and counting) is a good investment? Sony and Nintendo have never failed to profit from their video-game consoles even with initial losses,now look at the Xbox brand and tell me if the same can be said ;)Ninja-Vox

All you've done here is demonstrate that you dont know what an investment is. My advice is to not comment on things you know nothing about. The arrogant winking smiley only adds further damage. Good job there, too.

Ninja, I have told you before. You are wasting your time.....

That was very much based on magic,I hope you don't believe in such things. I highly doubt I would be making plans for Microsoft,they seem quite capable of producing "Fool-proof" plans,don't they ;) ?Dualshockin

I find it almost harrowing that you continually add the ;) smiley as if, on some other distant planet, you're somehow winning this arguement.

:|

I hardly see how the laptop business comes into the videogame console business,maybe I missed a post or two. There was quite an issue about the console starting fires,you haven't heard of what Microsoft had to do? The Xbox 1 was just as faulty as the 360 is,ironically,this gen,MS are trying their best to conceal this fact.Dualshockin

I think I may have missed this bit of news in the last generation. Were XBox units in the habit of setting fires? I'm not talking about one or two weird tragedies, I'm asking you if there was any serious problem (I honestly hadn't heard anything about it). One thing that's certain is that XBox was nowhere near as faulty as 360, how could you even think of saying something so ridiculous? XBox units were extremely reliable, and last time around, unreliability was a burden shouldered entirely by PS2.

i bet it kills you to know that the 360 is currently the best next-gen system on the marketTheBigDrat

Yeah, but it had ahead start andtheWii will definately be the best at this time next year.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]I hardly see how the laptop business comes into the videogame console business,maybe I missed a post or two. There was quite an issue about the console starting fires,you haven't heard of what Microsoft had to do? The Xbox 1 was just as faulty as the 360 is,ironically,this gen,MS are trying their best to conceal this fact.WeeWeeJumbo

I think I may have missed this bit of news in the last generation. Were XBox units in the habit of setting fires? I'm not talking about one or two weird tragedies, I'm asking you if there was any serious problem (I honestly hadn't heard anything about it). One thing that's certain is that XBox was nowhere near as faulty as 360, how could you even think of saying something so ridiculous? XBox units were extremely reliable, and last time around, unreliability was a burden shouldered entirely by PS2.

He's just doing his fanboy thing. The xbox was defective in that there a vast, vast minority of cases of the console causing a fire. Microsoft tracked this down to a fault in the power cables of some launch consoles, and so replaced every power cable for free.

As i said, he's just twisted it into something terrible because.... well i dont know why.

As an owner of all 4 (yes I include the dream cast) last gen systems i have to say the xbox was the most BORING console I'd ever owned. It was so stagnated with first person shooters that it became bothersome to just go out and "go with your instincts". Worse yet were all the damn "me too" Halo shooters.

The 360 however, although still reliant on shooters far too much is a much MUCH better system. Period.

Shazenab

Halo 2 on Xbox Live alone was a reason to buy a Xbox over a PS2 or GC... Ive had the best times online with the Xbox.

First it was Unreal Championship, then Midtown Madness 3, then it was Rainbow Six 3, then Counter-Strike, then lastly, Halo 2. Good times

At no point did i say it was bigger; if you actually read the post, it says quite clearly that they're no worse off that Sony. Next.They did let themselves down. They COULD have made profit and didn't because their hardware wasn't up to scratch. Next.Finally, Peter Moore - who has moved on to a better job - is fired, you say. Yet Ken Kutaragi who was full-on demoted to a lower position in the company; happily left of his own accord? Does the PS3 come with it's own propaganda messages or is this all of your own accord?Again; you offer no response. "Is there (spelling) plan this generation a good? I believe you know the answer..."Where's the response mr? Did you not say the xbox was a bad investment? Did i not spell out for you why you're completely wrong and dont even know what an investment is? Have you no response to that? Can i just say ownage approved then?As for "there (spelling) plan this generation" not being a good one. How so? They're competing. They're gaining more market share. They're getting more live subscribers. They COULD have made money, but we've established their hardware let them down, so they wont. They probably wont be turning a profit until next gen now.Anything else to add? :|Ninja-Vox

yeah MS screwed up

[QUOTE="WeeWeeJumbo"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]I hardly see how the laptop business comes into the videogame console business,maybe I missed a post or two. There was quite an issue about the console starting fires,you haven't heard of what Microsoft had to do? The Xbox 1 was just as faulty as the 360 is,ironically,this gen,MS are trying their best to conceal this fact.Ninja-Vox

I think I may have missed this bit of news in the last generation. Were XBox units in the habit of setting fires? I'm not talking about one or two weird tragedies, I'm asking you if there was any serious problem (I honestly hadn't heard anything about it). One thing that's certain is that XBox was nowhere near as faulty as 360, how could you even think of saying something so ridiculous? XBox units were extremely reliable, and last time around, unreliability was a burden shouldered entirely by PS2.

He's just doing his fanboy thing. The xbox was defective in that there a vast, vast minority of cases of the console causing a fire. Microsoft tracked this down to a fault in the power cables of some launch consoles, and so replaced every power cable for free.

As i said, he's just twisted it into something terrible because.... well i dont know why.

Xbox was medicore, and the 360 was rushed and flawed. they Should learn from this and go back to software. Good day :)

Rhys555

Microsoft being in the gaming devision has beeen disastrous..They lose money and wont make a penny back on it...they lucky their makin money on other things..or they would of crumble apart already..but one thing for sure they wont make money in the gaming devision..

[QUOTE="Rhys555"]

Xbox was medicore, and the 360 was rushed and flawed. they Should learn from this and go back to software. Good day :)

elementz28

Microsoft being in the gaming devision has beeen disastrious..They lose money and wont make a penny back on it...they lucky their makin money on other things..or they would of crumble apart already..but one thing for sure they wont make money in the gaming devision..

oh sure as if sony's gaming division wasn't doing badly, talk about selective memory

[QUOTE="Rhys555"]

Xbox was medicore, and the 360 was rushed and flawed. they Should learn from this and go back to software. Good day :)

elementz28

Microsoft being in the gaming devision has beeen disastrous..They lose money and wont make a penny back on it...they lucky their makin money on other things..or they would of crumble apart already..but one thing for sure they wont make money in the gaming devision..

you have no idea what you're talking about

But wouldn't you say Power cables that could burn down a house were indeed a very big problem? I seem to recall Ms offering a replacement cable for a very large number of consoles that were bought after a specific date,or am I mistaken? I consider critiquing a console separate from stating support for a console/console manufacturer,it wasn't I who made the Xbox 1 faulty.Dualshockin

Hm, I hadn't heard of this; and yes, that is a very big problem. Of course, if it was just a power cable, it's hard to say that it was a flaw in design; that's more a flaw in manufacture, and I wonder how often it actually caused damage to property. Regardless, it's good that MS replaced the faulty part for the affected units. Did Sony ever replace the lasers in broken PS2s? Did Sony ever even acknowledge that there was a problem with those lasers?

and who's going to stop them? you?mlbslugger86

The fact is,the Xbox brand is nowhere as successful as the Playstation brand is in Europe.Seeing as how we're considering both Xbox's,wouldn't it only be fair to consider the last and the current Playstation videogame consoles. Ask yourself:What is the main reason Peter Moore is no longer at Microsoft,is it because he desired to no longer be there or he was told he could no longer be there?If so,let me know why you believe he "chose" to leave Microsoft,one of the most successful companies on this planet that could very easily offer him a raise in his pay. "Up to scratch" is a very loose term.Considering they invested billions into this one product,wouldn't you say that finding flaws with it should've been a top priority? The fact that the console is directly tied to Xbox Live is why the Online service is going to be their top priority this gen.When a company has to rethink their game plan this deep into their product's life(Remember,the Xbox 360 is turning 2 this year)then there is no chance of success for the said product. So far,after years and years,the Xbox brand has been nothing but troubles and losses for Microsofts.I find it shocking that people consider that is a good investment ;)Dualshockin

If you dont mind me asking, what on earth are you talking about? The xbox brand isn't as successful as the playstaion in europe? I humoured you to begin with; but tell me really, what does that have to do with ANYTHING? :lol: Do you just throw out random punches at microsoft in the hope that i'll stop destroying your arguement?

It IS a good investment; you say again "its been just losses!"

Have you read a single post you've replied to? Is that not what i've said time and time again? An investment REQUIRES YOU TO LOSE MONEY. That's the way it works. Just to recap, here:

You: Xbox is a bad investment. They shouldn't make any more.

Me: No, wrong. They lost money on the xbox, they COULD have gained money on the 360 but ended up losing that opportunity, they WILL make money next gen, or after. It doesn't matter when. The fact is, they've lost money to get into this market and they'll get it all back thanks to xbox live, decreased hardware costs and larger user bases. Therefore it IS a good investment and you're completely wrong.

Response? :| And dont just start talking nonsense about comparitive success in Europe.

[QUOTE="Heil68"] Their net profits were up for 2007..Think Sony's will be? MS seems to have made a good decision hear and there. :roll:Dualshockin

Because Sony have never had "initial losses" anything like microsoft's. The Playstation AND playstation 2 sold for pretty much their production cost, and were profitable soon after. Microsoft took a $200 hit per unit. Stop throwing in that ;) as if you know what you're talking about. You just look arrogant, and ignorant when you get proven wrong (again).

[QUOTE="elementz28"][QUOTE="Rhys555"]

Xbox was medicore, and the 360 was rushed and flawed. they Should learn from this and go back to software. Good day :)

krp008

Microsoft being in the gaming devision has beeen disastrous..They lose money and wont make a penny back on it...they lucky their makin money on other things..or they would of crumble apart already..but one thing for sure they wont make money in the gaming devision..

you have no idea what you're talking about

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Heil68"] Their net profits were up for 2007..Think Sony's will be? MS seems to have made a good decision hear and there. :roll:Ninja-Vox

Because Sony have never had "initial losses" anything like microsoft's. The Playstation AND playstation 2 sold for pretty much their production cost, and were profitable soon after. Microsoft took a $200 hit per unit. Stop throwing in that ;) as if you know what you're talking about. You just look arrogant, and ignorant when you get proven wrong (again).

Dualshockin, you keep harping on about "zomg they've just lost money" or "sony have made money... the same cannot be said for microsoft ;)" that seems to be your favourite.

I'll say this one last time before i assume i'm talking to a wall, because i've said it so many times already it's beginning to get silly.

The xbox lost money. Everyone knows this. It wasn't even designed to make money. At no point did anyone at Microsoft expect it to make money. It was a new product which lost them $200 every time they sold one. When you say "the xbox lost them millions!!!" you just appear as if you dont know what you're talking about. Everyone is aware of this.

The xbox 360 on the other hand, was meant to make them money. It WOULD have made them money had they not messed up on the hardware front. Too bad for microsoft. Next gen however, they WILL be making money. They're making their own chips which cut costs substantially, plus they have over 10 million LIVE users paying their subscriptions, a hefty chunk of market share for game sales etc etc etc.

So, when you harp on about how the original xbox lost money; can you see how people dont take you seriously? Like i've said so many times, it was an investment. They've lost money to get themselves into the market, with the intention of making that money back and then some, years down the line. Thus, the very definition of an investment.

Get this through your head, please.

"Pretty much" their production cost?You must be mistaken,if you remembered the PsOne then you would know why the Ps3 is being compared to the Playstation 1 rather than Playstation 2. I don't believe there's a rule against using smilies,is there ;) ?Dualshockin

When you're always wrong and you arrogantly throw ;) around you just look silly. I'm simply pointing that out. The point is, it is foolish to compare Sony and Microsoft in terms of profitability because Sony have never taken anywhere near the same kind of hit microsoft has on console sales until now. Simple.

Actually,he's right on point,if their Windows business didn't exist I can bet you my house Microsoft would have pulled out long ago. With Vista failing to achieve XPs success,I would say MS are in quite a hot stew right now.Dualshockin

Their profit is higher than ever, despite all your "crippling losses". :roll: And no they would not have pulled out because, as you seem unable to comprehend, the xbox was an investment. If they were incapable of losing that money, they would never have entered in the first place with the hopes of making it all back, would they?

Jeez....

You shouldn't make another thread. Good day. :)
TrueReligion_

I hope they, sony and nintendo never stops making consoles. So there will always be competition

Actually,he's right on point,if their Windows business didn't exist I can bet you my house Microsoft would have pulled out long ago. With Vista failing to achieve XPs success,I would say MS are in quite a hot stew right now.Dualshockin

MS stole the software windows was made form from Apple. Apple had stolen it from the softwares creator Xerox.

So if MS failed at that you may be playing Halo on the Apple Xbox 360 =OOOO

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]"Pretty much" their production cost?You must be mistaken,if you remembered the PsOne then you would know why the Ps3 is being compared to the Playstation 1 rather than Playstation 2. I don't believe there's a rule against using smilies,is there ;) ?Ninja-Vox

When you're always wrong and you arrogantly throw ;) around you just look silly. I'm simply pointing that out. The point is, it is foolish to compare Sony and Microsoft in terms of profitability because Sony have never taken anywhere near the same kind of hit microsoft has on console sales until now. Simple.

[QUOTE="Rhys555"]

This post was medicore, and the logic in it was rushed and flawed. I should learn from this and go back from whence I came. Good day :)

strudel420

this is true