Microsoft threatens to sue Sony over custom soundtrack feature???

Ohhhhh ohhhhh...

Found the patent..http://www.google.com/patents?id=ky2hAAAAEBAJ&dq=gaming+invites

http://www.google.com/patents?id=mx93AAAAEBAJ&dq=gaming+soundtrack

This might be interesting..

masiisam

found this patent too

http://www.google.com/patents?id=ky2hAAAAEBAJ&dq=gaming+invites

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]Microsoft will lose the lawsuit. Custom Soundtracks were on a few Playstation 1 games, including Vib Ribbon.AmyMizuno

:lol:

Please oooo please supply a link...

But that isn't what Microsoft has patented with the Custom sound tracks patent. That's not even having a custom soundtrack. That's just inserting a CD to play while playing a game.

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]

[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]Sony is like the fat rich kid at school who always gets picked on, in this case the one that always gets a lawsuit waved in its face.Nolan16

except its a fat rich kid getting picked on by an even fatter and richer kid. teh lulz

actually sony is worth more then microsoft as a company

[QUOTE="Nolan16"][QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]

[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]Sony is like the fat rich kid at school who always gets picked on, in this case the one that always gets a lawsuit waved in its face.kage_53

except its a fat rich kid getting picked on by an even fatter and richer kid. teh lulz

actually sony is worth more then microsoft as a company

my latest stocks says sony is worth 147 billion and show me that link where microsoft is worth that much.

Has there been anymore proof of this happening other then the TC hearing it in a chat room?

Yay MS sue them. Sue to the point that Sony Fanboys will have to buy another system.

too_much_eslim

I don't know how M$ could sue for this, as someone else said it's a feature that's been around for ages.

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]Microsoft will lose the lawsuit. Custom Soundtracks were on a few Playstation 1 games, including Vib Ribbon.AmyMizuno

:lol:

Please oooo please supply a link...

:lol:

Right...But please let's try to stay on topic....

You stated "Sony can void the patent if they can prove they had done it before Microsoft."..I simply asked for a link on where you can validate that claim..

I am guessing by your reply that you have no such validation...

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]Microsoft will lose the lawsuit. Custom Soundtracks were on a few Playstation 1 games, including Vib Ribbon.AmyMizuno

I am pretty sure that it doesn't matter who did it first. It matters who got the patent first, and because it is Microsoft name on those patents they did it first so own the patent.

If you invent something first but not the first to patent it, you don't have the patent to it. I read over the Patent law and there is nothing I can find about voiding the patent if someone else invented the thing first.

[QUOTE="kage_53"][QUOTE="Nolan16"][QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]

[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]Sony is like the fat rich kid at school who always gets picked on, in this case the one that always gets a lawsuit waved in its face.Nolan16

except its a fat rich kid getting picked on by an even fatter and richer kid. teh lulz

actually sony is worth more then microsoft as a company

my latest stocks says sony is worth 147 billion and show me that link where microsoft is worth that much.

Sony's market value is only $49 billion http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?tkr=SNE

So MS is worth more then 5 times what Sony is worth.

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

:lol:

Right...But please let's try to stay on topic....

You stated "Sony can void the patent if they can prove they had done it before Microsoft."..I simply asked for a link on where you can validate that claim..

I am guessing by your reply that you have no such validation...

AmyMizuno

did microsoft even patent the feature? thats just stupid every console should have a right to have it...blazinpuertoroc

they signed for a patent afew years ago..

[QUOTE="kage_53"][QUOTE="Nolan16"][QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]

[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]Sony is like the fat rich kid at school who always gets picked on, in this case the one that always gets a lawsuit waved in its face.Nolan16

except its a fat rich kid getting picked on by an even fatter and richer kid. teh lulz

actually sony is worth more then microsoft as a company

my latest stocks says sony is worth 147 billion and show me that link where microsoft is worth that much.

Sony

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

But that isn't what Microsoft has patented with the Custom sound tracks patent. That's not even having a custom soundtrack. That's just inserting a CD to play while playing a game.

AmyMizuno

Putting a CD into your disc tray and listening to the CD is completely different then the Patent Microsoft has created as I've said.

Once again it doesn't matter what you think.

Sticking a CD into a disc tray and listening to it while playing a game isn't the same as copying, and creating a playlist on your consoles hardrive to be able to listen to at anytime and point during a game via access to the HDD or other storage area.

You have internet access, and so you can use google. I don't need to provide a link every time someone asks. That would be redundant.AmyMizuno

Your sty1e of debate is a complete joke at times Amy. You have to provide proof, evidence, and support to anything you claim. That's how debating works. You can' tell others to prove your point for you. If you are going to claim something its you that has to support your claims.

I'll never understand why you at times refuse to prove your point and expect others to do it for you.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Yay MS sue them. Sue to the point that Sony Fanboys will have to buy another system.

dbzfreak

I don't know how M$ could sue for this, as someone else said it's a feature that's been around for ages.

Its called fanboyism. It happens alot around SW. Anyway if this is true it has to be the dumbest thing I EVER heard.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]You have internet access, and so you can use google. I don't need to provide a link every time someone asks. That would be redundant.AmyMizuno

Your sty1e of debate is a complete joke at times Amy. You have to provide proof, evidence, and support to anything you claim. That's how debating works. You can' tell others to prove your point for you. If you are going to claim something its you that has to support your claims.

I'll never understand why you at times refuse to prove your point and expect others to do it for you.

He doesn't need to prvoide a link every time someone asked.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]You have internet access, and so you can use google. I don't need to provide a link every time someone asks. That would be redundant.AmyMizuno

Your sty1e of debate is a complete joke at times Amy. You have to provide proof, evidence, and support to anything you claim. That's how debating works. You can' tell others to prove your point for you. If you are going to claim something its you that has to support your claims.

I'll never understand why you at times refuse to prove your point and expect others to do it for you.

Key components of argumentation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentation_theory#Key_components_of_argumentation

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]You have internet access, and so you can use google. I don't need to provide a link every time someone asks. That would be redundant.AmyMizuno

Your sty1e of debate is a complete joke at times Amy. You have to provide proof, evidence, and support to anything you claim. That's how debating works. You can' tell others to prove your point for you. If you are going to claim something its you that has to support your claims.

I'll never understand why you at times refuse to prove your point and expect others to do it for you.

Do you want me to link you to the exact page where you say "I don't need to provide a link every time someone asks." ???

Oh and here is theCustom Sound Track Patent posted by someone else I believe. Its completely different then the game you speak of where you put an actual CD in. That wouldn't be a custom soundtrack anyways. That would just be listening to a CD in while playing.

Good. I'm glad that we're in agreement.AmyMizuno

Hell no we're not in agreement lol. The link has been posted for you.

And where does it say that I need to provide a link every time a fanboy doesn't believe my facts? Facts aren't disputable.AmyMizuno

Dear Microsoft,

This is a free country.

You suck,

Everyone.

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]You have internet access, and so you can use google. I don't need to provide a link every time someone asks. That would be redundant.AmyMizuno

Your sty1e of debate is a complete joke at times Amy. You have to provide proof, evidence, and support to anything you claim. That's how debating works. You can' tell others to prove your point for you. If you are going to claim something its you that has to support your claims.

I'll never understand why you at times refuse to prove your point and expect others to do it for you.

Key components of argumentation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentation_theory#Key_components_of_argumentation

how do i know its a fact? you gave me no proof to back up your claim

And where does it say that I need to provide a link every time a fanboy doesn't believe my facts? Facts aren't disputable.AmyMizuno

If what you say is indeed a fact you would have no problem finding any evidence or proof to back it up thus stopping anyone from ever disputing them. But see you don't ever do this.

This is no different then you claiming Star Ocean 4 going to the PS3 is fact. Its not because you can't prove it. You throw your opinion around way too much here.

Hell you wouldn't even bring forth factually evidence on Metal Gear Solid 3, you're just going by your own thoughts. Bottom line if you can't prove it then it has no merit.

I don't understand why you don't want to/refuse to try and back your claims.

I SEE NO FACTS POSTED BY YOU, you have no proof that those are facts! Your logic... it is just mind boggling! mastarifla

actually her logic is flawless

now if you will excuse me and all the 15 million xbox live users are going to listen to linkin park and eminem

Amy I been skimming over the US Patent laws (PDF file), and there is nothing about the Patent becoming void if a person invented something first. Care to tell me what part of this law it is under?Chaos_HL21

Yes Amy care to provide factual proof or evidence on the matter? I'm not saying I don't believe you but you can provide us with the evidence.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

From March:

One of the most wanted features missing from the Playstation 3 is the ability to use a custom soundtrack during gameplay. Movement has been made in this area with some games beginning to offer support, notably Super Stardust HD and High Velocity Bowling, but it's yet to be offered for all games.

Though many expect the inclusion to come when Sony supports an in-game version of Playstation 3's cross media bar, the implementation of this feature might just stay with the developers, since Microsoft owns a patent for this very functionality.

Microsoft implemented the ability to play your own music during gameplay in their first gaming system, the Xbox. The functionality naturally moved over to the Xbox 360, where Microsoft was patiently waiting for a patent to go through.

The custom soundtrack patent was submitted well before the release of the 360, presumably with the intention to lock down the feature for the next generation. It wasn't issued until mid-2006, luckily just before the US/Japan release of the Playstation 3.

The US patent named "Method and Apparatus for Creating and Playing Soundtracks in a Gaming System" appears to cover any application that allows users to create soundtracks using their own audio tracks, such that they can be played during the execution of the game instead of the game's default soundtrack.

Comprising of a thorough list of points and diagrams, the patents stand out claim is outlined thus:

1. A method comprising:

- receiving a request to launch a game in a gaming system;
determining whether the game has a user-associated soundtrack;
- if the game has a user-associated soundtrack:
launching the game; and
playing the user-associated soundtrack;

- if the game does not have a user-associated soundtrack:
allowing a user of the gaming system to select a soundtrack to play while the game is executed; and
playing a default soundtrack if the user of the gaming system does not select a soundtrack.

What does this mean for Microsoft's competitors? Will this patent stop Sony from implementing the console-wide custom soundtrack functionality? This is possible, and could be the reason why it has been missing from the Playstaiton 3 for so long.

Sony may have already found a loophole in the patent to allow them to provide custom soundtracks for particular games, as long as the functionality is not system-wide. In this way they could avoid the patent. Microsoft could charge Sony for the privilege, but it would be a lot of wasted effort to patent this particular feature and then allow competitors to implement it.

Therefore, when Sony's in-game XMB eventually comes around, custom soundtracks might be left on the cutting room floor. It will all depend on how constricting the patent actually is, and how kind Microsoft are feeling. Reasons for the in-game XMB delay may be found here - Sony are trying their best to get custom soundtracks installed legally.

http://www.ripten.com/2008/03/31/microsoft-owns-patent-for-in-game-custom-soundtracks/

So whatever he saw on MTV gains more credibility, IMO.

II_Seraphim_II

Its so ridiculous though. I mean could sumone patent "the shaving of bodily hair using mechanical instruments" thus forcing everyone to shave using rocks? I mean, it doesnt say you cant shave, it just specifies you cant use said technology.

and you'd really need a long tutorial on the wonderful world of tech patent law to try to get a grip on it, but no nothing like your analogy.

Im curious if most of you even know what a patent is... the majority seem to think that a patent is the bare bones concept of something. To make this as easy to understand, there isn't a patent for creating custom soundtracks, there is a patent for how custom soundtracks are implemented into video games.gamer620

but who knows. many young people here.

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]You have internet access, and so you can use google. I don't need to provide a link every time someone asks. That would be redundant.AmyMizuno

Your sty1e of debate is a complete joke at times Amy. You have to provide proof, evidence, and support to anything you claim. That's how debating works. You can' tell others to prove your point for you. If you are going to claim something its you that has to support your claims.

I'll never understand why you at times refuse to prove your point and expect others to do it for you.

Key components of argumentation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentation_theory#Key_components_of_argumentation

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]And where does it say that I need to provide a link every time a fanboy doesn't believe my facts? Facts aren't disputable.Blackbond

If what you say is indeed a fact you would have no problem finding any evidence or proof to back it up thus stopping anyone from ever disputing them. But see you don't ever do this.

This is no different then you claiming Star Ocean 4 going to the PS3 is fact. Its not because you can't prove it. You throw your opinion around way too much here.

Hell you wouldn't even bring forth factually evidence on Metal Gear Solid 3, you're just going by your own thoughts. Bottom line if you can't prove it then it has no merit.

I don't understand why you don't want to/refuse to try and back your claims.

Calm down bond you have owned her/him already. :lol:

God, some of you guys should be spending more time practicing law than playing video games, lol. (Blackbond did you ever post that MGS4 10/10 gif?)no_handlebars

Indeed its in my blog for your viewing pleasure.

Amy is starting to look worse than what I've seen of yo_foo. :|

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]And where does it say that I need to provide a link every time a fanboy doesn't believe my facts? Facts aren't disputable.Jacboy71

If what you say is indeed a fact you would have no problem finding any evidence or proof to back it up thus stopping anyone from ever disputing them. But see you don't ever do this.

This is no different then you claiming Star Ocean 4 going to the PS3 is fact. Its not because you can't prove it. You throw your opinion around way too much here.

Hell you wouldn't even bring forth factually evidence on Metal Gear Solid 3, you're just going by your own thoughts. Bottom line if you can't prove it then it has no merit.

I don't understand why you don't want to/refuse to try and back your claims.

Calm down bond you have owned her/him already. :lol:

Come on Jacboy you know I'm calm baby 8)

I just got back from a hell of a couple days be sure to check the GUFU boards later tonight to read about it :P