Microsoft treat their core audience better than Nintendo

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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] the difference is nintendo has more than three core IP's under their belt :| Dear god why aren't you delusional lemmings seeing this?Shinobishyguy

Who gives a fuk if they arent utilising them?

Metroid is on hiatus after the other M. Rumors are retro has something in store for it.

They even bring back older IP's like Kid Icarus and Punchout.

Meanwhile MS has JUST the trifecta. For everything else it's either kinect shovelware or timed DLC for multiplats.

Thats been the trend for the past few years and going by E3 it's not changing any time soon

lol, RR360DD is getting sonned.

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What you mean made themselves? First party ones?

ChubbyGuy40

Internally, like Nintendo's EAD teams. If you count just those, I'm pretty sure Microsoft hasn't made much. If you count published by Microsoft from MS owned devs, then Nintendo has had plenty of those too, especially if you count handhelds.

Why would it be limited to those? Microsoft generally operates with outside studios and very rarely does stuff internally while with Nintendo it's the other way around. But that doesn't make those IP's any less valid or the money they spend on them any less money.

Why does everyone say Halo, Gears, Forza, "etc"? No one names anything past"etc" lolKeiji993

lol

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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] the difference is nintendo has more than three core IP's under their belt :| Dear god why aren't you delusional lemmings seeing this?Shinobishyguy

Who gives a fuk if they arent utilising them?

Metroid is on hiatus after the other M. Rumors are retro has something in store for it.

They even bring back older IP's like Kid Icarus and Punchout.

Meanwhile MS has JUST the trifecta. For everything else it's either kinect shovelware or timed DLC for multiplats.

Thats been the trend for the past few years and going by E3 it's not changing any time soon

Zelda is being dumbed down for the masses. Mario has been great but these latest 2D offerings are piss poor efforts. Kirby aint relevant, Epic Yarn was easy as fuk.

My point isn't to argue which company has more IPs, its which is offering more to core games. Nintendo ain't, they're directing these IPs to the casuals now.

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Who gives a fuk if they arent utilising them?

RR360DD

Metroid is on hiatus after the other M. Rumors are retro has something in store for it.

They even bring back older IP's like Kid Icarus and Punchout.

Meanwhile MS has JUST the trifecta. For everything else it's either kinect shovelware or timed DLC for multiplats.

Thats been the trend for the past few years and going by E3 it's not changing any time soon

Zelda is being dumbed down for the masses. Mario has been great but these latest 2D offerings are piss poor efforts. Kirby aint relevant, Epic Yarn was easy as fuk.

My point isn't to argue which company has more IPs, its which is offering more to core games. Nintendo ain't, they're directing these IPs to the casuals now.

You haven't played the latest 2D efforts, so your opinion there is invalid.

Skyward Sword was more linear because the overworld was more like a dungeon, but it had the exact same sort of dungeon design as any other Zelda.

What Kirby game isn't easy as fvck? Kirby has always been geared towards children.

These areguments are really weak.

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Who gives a fuk if they arent utilising them?

RR360DD

Metroid is on hiatus after the other M. Rumors are retro has something in store for it.

They even bring back older IP's like Kid Icarus and Punchout.

Meanwhile MS has JUST the trifecta. For everything else it's either kinect shovelware or timed DLC for multiplats.

Thats been the trend for the past few years and going by E3 it's not changing any time soon

Zelda is being dumbed down for the masses. Mario has been great but these latest 2D offerings are piss poor efforts. Kirby aint relevant, Epic Yarn was easy as fuk.

My point isn't to argue which company has more IPs, its which is offering more to core games. Nintendo ain't, they're directing these IPs to the casuals now.

I could easily point to how badly MS and lionhead studios butchered the fable franchise but there's no use beating that dead horse.

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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Mario, zelda, pokemon, and kirby have all been utilized consistently.

Metroid is on hiatus after the other M. Rumors are retro has something in store for it.

They even bring back older IP's like Kid Icarus and Punchout.

Meanwhile MS has JUST the trifecta. For everything else it's either kinect shovelware or timed DLC for multiplats.

Thats been the trend for the past few years and going by E3 it's not changing any time soon

GreySeal9

Zelda is being dumbed down for the masses. Mario has been great but these latest 2D offerings are piss poor efforts. Kirby aint relevant, Epic Yarn was easy as fuk.

My point isn't to argue which company has more IPs, its which is offering more to core games. Nintendo ain't, they're directing these IPs to the casuals now.

You haven't played the latest 2D efforts, so your opinion there is invalid.

Skyward Sword was more linear because the overworld was more like a dungeon, but it had the exact same sort of dungeon design as any other Zelda.

What Kirby game isn't easy as fvck? Kirby has always been geared towards children.

These areguments are really weak.

If its always been geared towards children then why did he list it as an example of Nintendo catering to core gamers.

Face it, Nintendo were once great but you guys need to scrape the nintendo semen out of your eyes and take a look at what they actually offer you. Its garbage. Casual garbage.

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Zelda is being dumbed down for the masses. Mario has been great but these latest 2D offerings are piss poor efforts. Kirby aint relevant, Epic Yarn was easy as fuk.

My point isn't to argue which company has more IPs, its which is offering more to core games. Nintendo ain't, they're directing these IPs to the casuals now.

RR360DD

You haven't played the latest 2D efforts, so your opinion there is invalid.

Skyward Sword was more linear because the overworld was more like a dungeon, but it had the exact same sort of dungeon design as any other Zelda.

What Kirby game isn't easy as fvck? Kirby has always been geared towards children.

These areguments are really weak.

If its always been geared towards children then why did he list it as an example of Nintendo catering to core gamers.

Face it, Nintendo were once great but you guys need to scrape the nintendo semen out of your eyes and take a look at what they actually offer you. Its garbage. Casual garbage.

You're entitled to think it's casual garbage (tho I doubt you've played the games that you b!tch and moan about), but we're entitled to think differently. And you'll just make yourself look like a vagina if you can't accept that.

Also, Nintendo has always been casual. That's why they are so brilliant. They make games that appeal to both hardcore players and casual players. That you don't like their recent offerings doesn't mean that they've all of a sudden become casual. Nintendo has always been as mainstream as it gets save for a few franchises like Fire Emblem.

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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

You haven't played the latest 2D efforts, so your opinion there is invalid.

Skyward Sword was more linear because the overworld was more like a dungeon, but it had the exact same sort of dungeon design as any other Zelda.

What Kirby game isn't easy as fvck? Kirby has always been geared towards children.

These areguments are really weak.

GreySeal9

If its always been geared towards children then why did he list it as an example of Nintendo catering to core gamers.

Face it, Nintendo were once great but you guys need to scrape the nintendo semen out of your eyes and take a look at what they actually offer you. Its garbage. Casual garbage.

You're entitled to think it's casual garbage (tho I doubt you've played the games that you b!tch and moan about), but we're entitled to think differently. And you'll just make yourself look like a vagina if you can't accept that.

Also, Nintendo has always been casual. That's why they are so brilliant. They make games that appeal to both hardcore players and casual players. That you don't like their recent offerings doesn't mean that they've all of a sudden become casual. Nintendo has always been as mainstream as it gets.

Nah. Yes they've been casual but now they're trying to be even more mainstream and thats the issue. If I compare Windwaker to Skyward Sword, SS ain't even in the same league and now that Miyamoto has come out saying the next will be even more accessible basically means it'll be even more casual and even more shlt.

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If its always been geared towards children then why did he list it as an example of Nintendo catering to core gamers.

Face it, Nintendo were once great but you guys need to scrape the nintendo semen out of your eyes and take a look at what they actually offer you. Its garbage. Casual garbage.

RR360DD

You're entitled to think it's casual garbage (tho I doubt you've played the games that you b!tch and moan about), but we're entitled to think differently. And you'll just make yourself look like a vagina if you can't accept that.

Also, Nintendo has always been casual. That's why they are so brilliant. They make games that appeal to both hardcore players and casual players. That you don't like their recent offerings doesn't mean that they've all of a sudden become casual. Nintendo has always been as mainstream as it gets.

Nah. Yes they've been casual but now they're trying to be even more mainstream and thats the issue. If I compare Windwaker to Skyward Sword, SS ain't even in the same league and now that Miyamoto has come out saying the next will be even more accessible basically means it'll be even more casual and even more shlt.

Wind Waker? Are you serious? Wind Waker has the easiest and most basic dungeons of all the 3D games.

Your idea that Skyward Sword is more casual than the others is ridiculous.

Why would it be limited to those? Microsoft generally operates with outside studios and very rarely does stuff internally while with Nintendo it's the other way around. But that doesn't make those IP's any less valid or the money they spend on them any less money.

waltefmoney

Well you guys were asking how many did Nintendo unveil/make, but Nintendo also reaches out to other studios for support. They have for a few 3DS titles/downloadables, and we just had 3 new IPs on the Wii that were Nintendo published (except for TLS in NA.)

Its garbage. Casual garbage.

RR360DD

Much like Halo.

I know the Microsoft first party ain't great, but at least they still put out completely core games for us gamers such as Halo 4, Forza Horizon, Gears: Judgement etc. And then theres the fact it gets pretty much every third party game, some even with sweet deals such as exclusive or timed exclusive DLC.

Nintendo on the other hand have the talent and IPs, yet they're going in a direction that pretty much ignores their core audience. If you forget about the casual crap like Wii Fit and Nintendo Land, they have core franchises such as Zelda that they are openly trying to simplify and make more accessible to casual gamers.

NSMBU it aesthetically awful. It comes across as incredibly lazy, like an up-resed DS game. Nintendo Land and Wii Fit U are complete casual fests. Pikmin 3 is the most exciting, but even that is disappointing with its lack of online. I have a feeling the game will be piss easy to cater to casuals.

They're already making excuses for not including online in a couple of flagship games where it makes sense, on a console where they are trying to push online capabilities. Match that with the fact that they have openly stated they won't battle Microsoft or Sony for third party exclusive deals, and it makes you wonder do they honestly give a crap.

RR360DD

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Why would it be limited to those? Microsoft generally operates with outside studios and very rarely does stuff internally while with Nintendo it's the other way around. But that doesn't make those IP's any less valid or the money they spend on them any less money.

ChubbyGuy40

Well you guys were asking how many did Nintendo unveil/make, but Nintendo also reaches out to other studios for support. They have for a few 3DS titles/downloadables, and we just had 3 new IPs on the Wii that were Nintendo published (except for TLS in NA.)

Its garbage. Casual garbage.

RR360DD

Much like Halo.

bad comeback and doesnt compute .. :roll: