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A bullish Microsoft has declared it's happy to go toe-to-toe with rival Sony products, as the two companies prepare for another bloody battle at retail this Christmas.

Speaking exclusively to GamesIndustry.biz, Phil Spencer, head of Microsoft Games Studios, has declared that first-party publishing has always been about exclusives, and he's confident his titles can better anything his bitter rivals at Sony can turn out.

"Let's start from the beginning of both consoles - PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 - which first party has had more success on their own platform? We have Gears, Halo, Forza, we're continuing to push existing IP while bringing new IP to market. I'll line up against Sony's first party any day," offered Spencer in the first part of an interview published today.

Despite closing internal studios such as Ensemble and FASA, Spencer says the company has spent the neccesary time building franchises, allowing for a yearly roll-out of exclusive, triple-A product every Christmas season.

"Now the news, when you're talking about something like Ensemble, that's us building that franchise pipeline that you've seen come to market for the last three Holidays. I remember last E3, sitting there, people looking at our line-up and saying that they get we had a very strong line-up - Mass Effect and everything that's coming - but what about next Holiday?

"Then I was sitting at this E3 and I go through Too Human, Viva Pinata, Banjo, Fable, Lips, Gears of War, Scene It - that's all before Holiday - and then Halo Wars. And the press are saying exactly the same, that they get it's an incredibly strong Holiday relative to the competition, saying we'll win this year in terms of content...but what about next Holiday?"

He continued: "And I'm confident for next Holiday as well, that we're going to stand up at the next E3, or at the right time, and we'll show a line-up that will continue to win. We talk about our games when we understand what they are. I'm not going to put a billboard up on stage and say, "Boy, I hope you buy this game when it comes out and when I know what it is..."

Spencer believes the press side with Microsoft's line-up of titles, as do the consumers who buy the games, and he's happy to compare review scores or any other metrics against Sony's portfolio.

"We talk about games when we know what they are, when we can guarantee the quality to the customers, and we'll say when they're going to come out - I think the customers want that. But lining us up against Sony first party - I love that comparison. Review score average, exclusive hits to-date, you pick the metric and we can talk about it," he said.

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:lol:

MS 1st party is nothing compared to Sony's 1st party.

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#2 xxThyLordxx
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correct me if I'm wrong, but Gears is not 1st party. its just an exclusive contract with a 3rd party dev. kinda like Sony and Level 5 with Dark Cloud and White Knight.
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#3 Ragnarok1051
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MS has 1st parties?
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Read it again, he said "First party Publishing", as in, games Published by them, the First-party. (MS Game Studios)
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Read it again, he said "First party Publishing", as in, games Published by them, the First-party. (MS Game Studios)Nagidar

sorry. did not notice that. even still, MS 1st party is weak.

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microsoft is evil :(
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I have to agree with him. Neither lineup really kills the other. One person might like GeoW, but not like platformers like LBP. And more and more devs are willing to go multiplat to recoup some profit from years of development...and I'm sure it's an even easier pill to swallow if MS "donates" some always-needed $$$:twisted:

I find it interesting that MS doesn't blow it's wad too early when announcing games. For example, I have no idea what they have in store for, say, next summer. But you can bet your bottom dollar that something will be coming. On the other hand, Sony has been crowing Killzone2, Home, LBP, GoW3, FF-1313241241 for (pretty much) years.The "just wait" train may finally be coming to an end, but it seems to be leaving less and less to be excited about for such a "futureproof" console. Maybe "just wait" for MGS5 and LBP2 in another 4 years?

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[QUOTE="Nagidar"]Read it again, he said "First party Publishing", as in, games Published by them, the First-party. (MS Game Studios)xxThyLordxx

sorry. did not notice that. even still, MS 1st party is weak.

No it's not ... at all.

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[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]Read it again, he said "First party Publishing", as in, games Published by them, the First-party. (MS Game Studios)ukillwegrill

sorry. did not notice that. even still, MS 1st party is weak.

No it's not ... at all.

Give me a list of 1st party games.

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[QUOTE="ukillwegrill"][QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]Read it again, he said "First party Publishing", as in, games Published by them, the First-party. (MS Game Studios)Ragnarok1051

sorry. did not notice that. even still, MS 1st party is weak.

No it's not ... at all.

Give me a list of 1st party games.

Who needs quantity when you have quality of first party published games.

Gears of war, for instance, Viva Pinata, PGR ...

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They have to put in first party published games because they don't develop any first party :lol:.
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#12 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="ukillwegrill"][QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]Read it again, he said "First party Publishing", as in, games Published by them, the First-party. (MS Game Studios)ukillwegrill

sorry. did not notice that. even still, MS 1st party is weak.

No it's not ... at all.

Give me a list of 1st party games.

Who needs quantity when you have quality of first party published games.

Gears of war, for instance, Viva Pinata, PGR ...

So what you're saying is MS doesn't have it's own 1st party games?

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I don't think they have anything at all to go toe-to-toe with LBP, but that's just me. :)
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They have to put in first party published games because they don't develop any first party :lol:.Zoso-8

:lol: could not agree more.

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Does it worry anyone else that SK and Microsoft seem to be living in a dream world where Too Human is an awesome game worth bragging about?
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[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]They have to put in first party published games because they don't develop any first party :lol:.xxThyLordxx

:lol: could not agree more.

sony 1st party is so strong that they yet to create a AAA title for almost 20 month for ps2, psp, and ps3

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[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]

[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]They have to put in first party published games because they don't develop any first party :lol:.jiggawho2006

:lol: could not agree more.

sony 1st party is so strong that they yet to create a AAA title for almost 20 month for ps2, psp, and ps3

Touche, but they have a much stronger first party lineup coming in the near future.

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I don't think they have anything at all to go toe-to-toe with LBP, but that's just me. :)Teufelhuhn

Well, it's not just you...but it's also not everyone. Can't they make a trailer that shows some actual platforming gameplay, or that doesn't involve "Look, you can add stuff like this...now let's skip to the completed level"?

Frankly, I'm far more excited for Left4Dead than LBP...but I'm not constantly slobbering on forums about it. Kinda proves his point, doesn't it?

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[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]They have to put in first party published games because they don't develop any first party :lol:.xxThyLordxx

:lol: could not agree more.

They do have plenty of first party games, really. On System Wars we have this idea of "second party" but i dont think that exists in the real world. Sure Gears of War is made by Epic, not microsoft. But microsoft publish it, own the rights to it, and release it exclusively on their platforms so it obviously is indeed a first party game.

To be fair however, i dont think they have anything to take on LBP. Banjo kinda fills that void to an extent, but the budget price and cartoony, comedy style is making it look more like a fun and simple release than a deeper game like LBP.

I dont understand why you'd say microsoft cant compete with sony's first party though. They seem neck and neck in that regard, to me at least.

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[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]

[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]They have to put in first party published games because they don't develop any first party :lol:.jiggawho2006

:lol: could not agree more.

sony 1st party is so strong that they yet to create a AAA title for almost 20 month for ps2, psp, and ps3

Do we consider PD Zero to be a first party AAA?

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Touche, but they have a much stronger first party lineup coming in the near future.

Zoso-8

People say that a lot, but i dont see how. They have Motorstorm, Resistance and Little Big Planet right? Games which have potential to be great, definately, but do they really destroy microsoft's lineup of Banjo, Fable and Gears? Not really.

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Do we consider PD Zero to be a first party AAA?

Ragnarok1051

It is in the bubble of system wars. In the real world, it's a mediocre game which didnt impress newcomers and vastly disappointed fans of the original.

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]I don't think they have anything at all to go toe-to-toe with LBP, but that's just me. :)phatrawk

Well, it's not just you...but it's also not everyone. Can't they make a trailer that shows some actual platforming gameplay, or that doesn't involve "Look, you can add stuff like this...now let's skip to the completed level"?



Platforming isn't really the point of the game...making your own games is. That's the point they're trying to drive home in the videos...would anyone really care if they only showed trailers of 2D platforming? People would think it was a PSN game. :P

However I have seen plenty of videos with just straight-up gameplay footage, there's even one with a boss battle.
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Yeh that guy is like an employee fan boy. Sonys line up is far stronger and has generated more attention outside the hardcore industry. You dont see anyone discussing GeOW2 or Fable 2 outside an XBOX360 Forum, yet you see LBP stuff everywhere.
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Speaking exclusively to GamesIndustry.biz, Phil Spencer, head of Microsoft Games Studios, has declared that first-party publishing has always been about exclusives, and he's confident his titles can better anything his bitter rivals at Sony can turn out.

xxThyLordxx

Nooo, you think? I thought first party publishing was about porting your games to the competition :roll:

In seriousness Sony has a better overall 1st party offering with a lot more variety and a lot more unique games. Sony also has many more in house studios compared to MS which seems to be downsizing their 1st part studio offerings.
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wow somebody from a rival company telling the public that there product is better, i'm so shocked :o whoever would buy into this does not have all there marbles, i mean yes ms makes good games but to tell people your definatly gonna be better is just stupid.
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[QUOTE="ukillwegrill"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="ukillwegrill"][QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]Read it again, he said "First party Publishing", as in, games Published by them, the First-party. (MS Game Studios)Ragnarok1051

sorry. did not notice that. even still, MS 1st party is weak.

No it's not ... at all.

Give me a list of 1st party games.

Who needs quantity when you have quality of first party published games.

Gears of war, for instance, Viva Pinata, PGR ...

So what you're saying is MS doesn't have it's own 1st party games?

Rather have none, then no good ones.

Also, buying a developer and calling it "SONY LA" isn't hard ...

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[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]

[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]They have to put in first party published games because they don't develop any first party :lol:.jiggawho2006

:lol: could not agree more.

sony 1st party is so strong that they yet to create a AAA title for almost 20 month for ps2, psp, and ps3

lol you should say when the last time sony made a AAA only at gamespot.

plus when the last time microsoft first party has made a AAA game here at gamespot.

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Yeh that guy is like an employee fan boy. Sonys line up is far stronger and has generated more attention outside the hardcore industry. You dont see anyone discussing GeOW2 or Fable 2 outside an XBOX360 Forum, yet you see LBP stuff everywhere.pseudocaesar

Yet, Gears will sell twice as much? that makes sense ...

Fact is, outside of the internet ... people font care about LBP, as will be shown by it's mediocre sales of about 1 million, not alot at all, for such a hyped game.
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[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]



Speaking exclusively to GamesIndustry.biz, Phil Spencer, head of Microsoft Games Studios, has declared that first-party publishing has always been about exclusives, and he's confident his titles can better anything his bitter rivals at Sony can turn out.

Tiefster


Nooo, you think? I thought first party publishing was about porting your games to the competition :roll:

In seriousness Sony has a better overall 1st party offering with a lot more variety and a lot more unique games. Sony also has many more in house studios compared to MS which seems to be downsizing their 1st part studio offerings.

lol, yeah. I had to read that part twice to make sure I actually read that one right

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Rather have none, then no good ones.

Also, buying a developer and calling it "SONY LA" isn't hard ...

ukillwegrill

Huh?

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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="ukillwegrill"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="ukillwegrill"][QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]Read it again, he said "First party Publishing", as in, games Published by them, the First-party. (MS Game Studios)ukillwegrill

sorry. did not notice that. even still, MS 1st party is weak.

No it's not ... at all.

Give me a list of 1st party games.

Who needs quantity when you have quality of first party published games.

Gears of war, for instance, Viva Pinata, PGR ...

So what you're saying is MS doesn't have it's own 1st party games?

Rather have none, then no good ones.

Also, buying a developer and calling it "SONY LA" isn't hard ...

are you saying sony has no good first party. if so you do not deserve to have rachet and clank at the bottom. because that is a first party sony dev.

even easier to buy a third party title were the only thing micro has in the game is the check.

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[QUOTE="ukillwegrill"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="ukillwegrill"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="ukillwegrill"][QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]Read it again, he said "First party Publishing", as in, games Published by them, the First-party. (MS Game Studios)GARRYTH

sorry. did not notice that. even still, MS 1st party is weak.

No it's not ... at all.

Give me a list of 1st party games.

Who needs quantity when you have quality of first party published games.

Gears of war, for instance, Viva Pinata, PGR ...

So what you're saying is MS doesn't have it's own 1st party games?

Rather have none, then no good ones.

Also, buying a developer and calling it "SONY LA" isn't hard ...

are you saying sony has no good first party. if so you do not deserve to have rachet and clank at the bottom. because that is a first party sony dev.

even easier to buy a third party title were the only thing micro has in the game is the check.

What did it score in the almighty, Gamespot review? That;s what i thought.

I loved the game personally, but yeah, as Cows like to say. we go by Gamespot reviews here.

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What did it score in the almighty, Gamespot review? That;s what i thought.

I loved the game personally, but yeah, as Cows like to say. we go by Gamespot reviews here.

so your saying you like sony first party but sence gamespot has not gave a game AAA your going to diss sony first party wow that um. i don't know. fanboyish or something. you like rachet and clank but yet your going on about hating it because of gamespot score which was the lowest review score any one had giving the game.
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#35 SecretPolice
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Lets get ready to Rumble !!!

MS man offers to meet Sony after school for a punch-up screenshot

Microsoft Game Studios boss Phil Spencer has fighting wordsfor Sony this morning, offering his first-party games to go up against Sony's any day of the week. Absolutely merciless in his challenge, Spencer states that he "loves" comparing the Xbox 360's first-party software to the PS3's. That's some confidence right there.

You better watch those words, Spencer; otherwise, Sony will tell on you and get you "done." Also, it knows your dad!

Surly words indeed from the MGS man, but is there any truth to them or is he all bluster? In a few years' time, when Sony finally gets around to finishing one of its projects, Microsoft will be in trouble. :lol:

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are you saying sony has no good first party. if so you do not deserve to have rachet and clank at the bottom. because that is a first party sony dev.

even easier to buy a third party title were the only thing micro has in the game is the check.

GARRYTH

Not true. Insominiac's an American independent developer, however Sony do publish their games, rendering them second party. We are talking inhouse devs aren't we?

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#37 bloberto
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

Do we consider PD Zero to be a first party AAA?

Ninja-Hippo

It is in the bubble of system wars. In the real world, it's a mediocre game which didnt impress newcomers and vastly disappointed fans of the original.

Heck, MGSIV is only a AAAA in system wars.

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so your saying you like sony first party but sence gamespot has not gave a game AAA your going to diss sony first party wow that um. i don't know. fanboyish or something. you like rachet and clank but yet your going on about hating it because of gamespot score which was the lowest review score any one had giving the game. GARRYTH

Cows do the same, all the time, quality on this site, is subject to what Gamespot say, else you guys could claim Lair to be the best title ever, abd Gears of war to be a failure.

As Gamespot say R&C isn't good, then on this site, and in this foroum, it is'nt good, no i dont agree with it, but it's the rules we abide by.

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#39 NinjaMunkey01
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Well MS is hardly going to say: "sony has the better lineup, go buy their console" are they...

Personally though I think that sonys lineup is much better than the 360's, there are many more quality titles from proven series such as Wipeout and SOCOM.

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[QUOTE="jiggawho2006"][QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]

[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]They have to put in first party published games because they don't develop any first party :lol:.Ragnarok1051

:lol: could not agree more.

sony 1st party is so strong that they yet to create a AAA title for almost 20 month for ps2, psp, and ps3

Do we consider PD Zero to be a first party AAA?

Seriously?? I didn't think cows were still damage controlling about that... :|

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He continued: "And I'm confident for next Holiday as well, that we're going to stand up at the next E3, or at the right time, and we'll show a line-up that will continue to win. We talk about our games when we understand what they are. I'm not going to put a billboard up on stage and say, "Boy, I hope you buy this game when it comes out and when I know what it is..."

xxThyLordxx


I laughed.
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#42 fjburgos
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[QUOTE="pseudocaesar"]Yeh that guy is like an employee fan boy. Sonys line up is far stronger and has generated more attention outside the hardcore industry. You dont see anyone discussing GeOW2 or Fable 2 outside an XBOX360 Forum, yet you see LBP stuff everywhere.ukillwegrill

Yet, Gears will sell twice as much? that makes sense ...

Fact is, outside of the internet ... people font care about LBP, as will be shown by it's mediocre sales of about 1 million, not alot at all, for such a hyped game.

In the USa yeas world wide umm don't know

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#43 GARRYTH
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[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]so your saying you like sony first party but sence gamespot has not gave a game AAA your going to diss sony first party wow that um. i don't know. fanboyish or something. you like rachet and clank but yet your going on about hating it because of gamespot score which was the lowest review score any one had giving the game. ukillwegrill

Cows do the same, all the time, quality on this site, is subject to what Gamespot say, else you guys could claim Lair to be the best title ever, abd Gears of war to be a failure.

As Gamespot say R&C isn't good, then on this site, and in this foroum, it is'nt good, no i dont agree with it, but it's the rules we abide by.

sence when is 7.5 does not = good it says good right next to it.

gears is great never played it but i love to. and for lair i did like the game alot also.

im no fanboy well maybe alittle but i know a great game when i see it no matter what system it is.

but to be a person degrading a game because of what the site gave it as a score but loves the game just seems to be on the banwagon. i bet if your school started wearing clown pants and a red nose and thinks it is cool you be one of those people that would follow.

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#44 MonkeyStyle5389
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Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Motorstorm 2, WipeoutHD, White Knight Story, Dark Cloud 3, God of War 3, Gran Turismo 5, LittleBigPlanet, SOCOM, Heavy Rain, unannounced BBC game, Singstar, Eyepet, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Infamous, MAG, Haze, and Team ICO's game. AND MANY MORE Microsoft has good 1st parties but they ain't nowhere NEAR messing with Sony's 1st parties ESPECIALLY God of War 3 and Team ICO's game.
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#45 The-Big-Easy
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Hmmm,

  • God of War 3
  • Killzone 2
  • LittleBigPlanet
  • Resistance 2
  • Infamous
  • Motorstorm 2
  • Wipeout HD
  • MAG
  • Socom Confrontation
  • Heavy Rain

Next!!!

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#46 Foxhound_spy
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Nah.......... Those MS can say whatever he want. GOW series, GT series, LBP, Team Ico games, Twisted Metal series and other SONY`s franchise already make SONY`s first party titles miles better than MS first party titles...........

Expect in near future MS will copy Team Ico games & LBP clone just to compete with those two franchise. Just like they delivered Forza seriesto compete with GT series............

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#47 SuperEmpera
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Sony has a better line up. If microsoft wants to compete they need to come up with some more games.
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#48 carljohnson3456
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It is my opinion that Sony's first party titles trump MS's first party titles.

For the most part anyway.

That is all.

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#49 ukillwegrill
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[QUOTE="ukillwegrill"]

[QUOTE="pseudocaesar"]Yeh that guy is like an employee fan boy. Sonys line up is far stronger and has generated more attention outside the hardcore industry. You dont see anyone discussing GeOW2 or Fable 2 outside an XBOX360 Forum, yet you see LBP stuff everywhere.fjburgos

Yet, Gears will sell twice as much? that makes sense ...

Fact is, outside of the internet ... people font care about LBP, as will be shown by it's mediocre sales of about 1 million, not alot at all, for such a hyped game.

In the USa yeas world wide umm don't know

Overall sales, and i dont see anywhere in the world it would sell less then LBP, Gears appeals to the majority, as it's a agme with guns, no thought is needed.

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#50 carljohnson3456
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Nah.......... Those MS can say whatever he want. GOW series, GT series, LBP, Team Ico games, Twisted Metal series and other SONY`s franchise already make SONY`s first party titles miles better than MS first party titles...........

Expect in near future MS will copy Team Ico games & LBP clone just to compete with those two franchise. Just like they delivered Forza seriesto compete with GT series............

Foxhound_spy

And Lips to compete with Singstar, lol.