Microsoft won't win this Generation.

[QUOTE="RickJame-s"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"][QUOTE="Mandingo101"]

microsoft will never win a generation, ever. you can quote me on that i could care less to be honest cus it is true. the xbox brand is unpopular outside of NA, its slightly popular with america's BFF the UK, then when you start going down the list it goes downhill fast. the xbox brand didnt popularize itself worldwide last gen, and in one year without competition and almost a 2nd year with almost none as the other systems didnt have the time 360has had to build a library of games, the brand has failed to reach the worldwide audience as it hoped and failed to diversify their library. go down the list of million sellers on 360 and you can tell the crowd the brand appeals to, hardcore gamers. what sells on the xbox brand? shooters and sports for the most part, after 2 years and after some attempts to get a more diverse library the fanbase is not having it, they want what they want, shooters and sports.

both the playstation and nintendo brands have proven worldwide appeal more than once, and the xbox brand has failed to do so after 2 attempts and this is why they wont win a generation.

BlueBarad

I will not disagree with you. But you just reinforced my theory. They are just starting to get the brand going. Sony and Nintendo have been around forever and MS is just starting.

If you think about it, they are doing an outstanding job at it.

Example: Capcom is on board. Konami is starting to show support. Project Slyphed is an exclusive Square Enix title for the 360...and so on. It will take a while though.

Wow nice logic there bud....I wonder how the playstation1 come upon beating the nintendo brand, when the nintendo was alot well know in the gaming industry then playstation was when it first launched! And dont try using Sony as a brand that was well known around the world....I'm pretty sure Microsoft (windows) is being used everywhere in the world..from alaska all the way to china!

2 things. The use of CDs over Cartridges, which were cool at the time. And the support of third party developers.

BTW, seeing as Windows is a gaming platform also, Microsoft probably will win.

Even if a lot of the people don't buy it to play games, you only have to play 1 game of cards for it to become a gaming device.

BTW, seeing as Windows is a gaming platform also, Microsoft probably will win.

Even if a lot of the people don't buy it to play games, you only have to play 1 game of cards for it to become a gaming device.

user_nat

[QUOTE="user_nat"]

BTW, seeing as Windows is a gaming platform also, Microsoft probably will win.

Even if a lot of the people don't buy it to play games, you only have to play 1 game of cards for it to become a gaming device.

Mandingo101

Lol couldn't help it :P

I just like to bring PC up when there is discussion about sales, because sales should not effect your gaming experience.

thats the thing with my hardcore gamer comment though. they dont want all 3rd party support from the looks of sales, you 360 owners dont want diversity and when you dont buy the jrpg or the Shadow of the collossus(just examples)or those types of games in the numbers you buy the gory shooters or madden/sports games the devs wont bother making them on your system.

project sylpheed is hardly a shift in support. and what does capcom bring to 360? a zombie action game and a mech/shooter, not straying too far from what the fans like, just playing it safe.Mandingo101

How come Beautifull Katamari is being released on the system? Capcom has brought more this gen to the 360 than to the PS3. And they have been making Playstation games for a while now.

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"]

microsoft will never win a generation, ever. you can quote me on that i could care less to be honest cus it is true. the xbox brand is unpopular outside of NA, its slightly popular with america's BFF the UK, then when you start going down the list it goes downhill fast. the xbox brand didnt popularize itself worldwide last gen, and in one year without competition and almost a 2nd year with almost none as the other systems didnt have the time 360has had to build a library of games, the brand has failed to reach the worldwide audience as it hoped and failed to diversify their library. go down the list of million sellers on 360 and you can tell the crowd the brand appeals to, hardcore gamers. what sells on the xbox brand? shooters and sports for the most part, after 2 years and after some attempts to get a more diverse library the fanbase is not having it, they want what they want, shooters and sports.

both the playstation and nintendo brands have proven worldwide appeal more than once, and the xbox brand has failed to do so after 2 attempts and this is why they wont win a generation.

BlueBarad

I will not disagree with you. But you just reinforced my theory. They are just starting to get the brand going. Sony and Nintendo have been around forever and MS is just starting.

If you think about it, they are doing an outstanding job at it.

Example: Capcom is on board. Konami is starting to show support. Project Slyphed is an exclusive Square Enix title for the 360...and so on. It will take a while though.

If this is outstanding job I would love to know what you think a horrible job is, because Microsoft has now failed with two consoles. By their 2nd console Sony sold 100+ million units, while the 360 won't even come close to doubling the original Xbox. You make it sound like Microsoft isn't a household name and no one has ever used one of their products. Every home in America knows Microsoft and most likely has one of their products. Their consoles just aren't good. They're 0/2 now as after Halo 3 is released the 360 will disappear.

Nintendo reinvented gaming with their 1st console, and Sony sold 100+ million units with their 2nd. With the massive amount of money Microsoft has poured into the Xbox, going 0/2 is a complete failure. IF they make another it will be 0/3 as the Wii's success will carry through to the next generation. Plus you never know who else will jump into the console market. Microsoft is a software company, they'll make much more money selling Halo 3 on two consoles, then losing money trying to convince anyone who isn't 12-17 to buy theirs.

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"] thats the thing with my hardcore gamer comment though. they dont want all 3rd party support from the looks of sales, you 360 owners dont want diversity and when you dont buy the jrpg or the Shadow of the collossus(just examples)or those types of games in the numbers you buy the gory shooters or madden/sports games the devs wont bother making them on your system.

project sylpheed is hardly a shift in support. and what does capcom bring to 360? a zombie action game and a mech/shooter, not straying too far from what the fans like, just playing it safe.BlueBarad

How come Beautifull Katamari is being released on the system? Capcom has brought more this gen to the 360 than to the PS3. And they have been making Playstation games for a while now.

If this is outstanding job I would love to know what you think a horrible job is, because Microsoft has now failed with two consoles. By their 2nd console Sony sold 100+ million units, while the 360 won't even come close to doubling the original Xbox. You make it sound like Microsoft isn't a household name and no one has ever used one of their products. Every home in America knows Microsoft and most likely has one of their products. Their consoles just aren't good. They're 0/2 now as after Halo 3 is released the 360 will disappear.

Nintendo reinvented gaming with their 1st console, and Sony sold 100+ million units with their 2nd. With the massive amount of money Microsoft has poured into the Xbox, going 0/2 is a complete failure. IF they make another it will be 0/3 as the Wii's success will carry through to the next generation. Plus you never know who else will jump into the console market. Microsoft is a software company, they'll make much more money selling Halo 3 on two consoles, then losing money trying to convince anyone who isn't 12-17 to buy theirs.

taco1881

Microsoft is taking head on the number one division of Sony, A multi billion dollar corporation.They are, in a disadvantage because, as you say, they are Software company and are tackling a Hardware Company in their field.

No small task, yet they are chipping away. That's why i say that it will take a while for them to overcome a lot of hurdles. But I think they will do it.

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"] thats the thing with my hardcore gamer comment though. they dont want all 3rd party support from the looks of sales, you 360 owners dont want diversity and when you dont buy the jrpg or the Shadow of the collossus(just examples)or those types of games in the numbers you buy the gory shooters or madden/sports games the devs wont bother making them on your system.

project sylpheed is hardly a shift in support. and what does capcom bring to 360? a zombie action game and a mech/shooter, not straying too far from what the fans like, just playing it safe.BlueBarad

How come Beautifull Katamari is being released on the system? Capcom has brought more this gen to the 360 than to the PS3. And they have been making Playstation games for a while now.

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"] thats the thing with my hardcore gamer comment though. they dont want all 3rd party support from the looks of sales, you 360 owners dont want diversity and when you dont buy the jrpg or the Shadow of the collossus(just examples)or those types of games in the numbers you buy the gory shooters or madden/sports games the devs wont bother making them on your system.

project sylpheed is hardly a shift in support. and what does capcom bring to 360? a zombie action game and a mech/shooter, not straying too far from what the fans like, just playing it safe.Mandingo101

How come Beautifull Katamari is being released on the system? Capcom has brought more this gen to the 360 than to the PS3. And they have been making Playstation games for a while now.

you cant be serious about beautiful katamari dude, that game looks like crap and i am a fan of the series. if you havent noticed MS has a deal with them as MS has been trying to entice the japanese crowd, MS couldnt get their hands on konami or square so they go to namco. hence the katamari and ace combat timed exclusives, yet they couldnt get their hands on one of namco's last decent franchises tekken as namco seemingly has some deal with sony(they provided the arcade chips and mobo even i believe, pretty much the whole machines) got soul calibur multiplat but the last one wasnt that great it was ok.

oh and do you think if ps3 hadnt came out at the same time as 360 that those namco games wouldnt have been on ps3 too? ps3 wasnt out when dead rising came out and lost planet was being considered multi but it sold good on 360.Mandingo101

It goes something like this:

Rockstar is what it is today because the success it had on the Playstation 2. Sony and Rockstar should thank each other because they helped each other out tremendously.

But in the corporate world LOVE = Money.

Microsoft offers a bunch of money to Rockstar and Rockstar says:"Sony as good as you have been to me, I will release one of the biggest games this gen on your competitors platform simultaneously. And since they are offering us a boat load of money, we will release exclusive content on it also."

How long has Virtual Fighter been a Playstation Exclusive? Microsoft not only broke the exclusivity deal, but they added Online Support, which is now being ported to the PS3. So the 360 version is superior (even though it is 5 months behind) I will guarantee that VF6 will release simultaneously.

Microsoft is chipping away, slowly but surely.

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"] thats the thing with my hardcore gamer comment though. they dont want all 3rd party support from the looks of sales, you 360 owners dont want diversity and when you dont buy the jrpg or the Shadow of the collossus(just examples)or those types of games in the numbers you buy the gory shooters or madden/sports games the devs wont bother making them on your system.

project sylpheed is hardly a shift in support. and what does capcom bring to 360? a zombie action game and a mech/shooter, not straying too far from what the fans like, just playing it safe.myke2010

How come Beautifull Katamari is being released on the system? Capcom has brought more this gen to the 360 than to the PS3. And they have been making Playstation games for a while now.

The 360 can only win if they appeal to the Japanese. They already have a strong hold in the Americas, an ok hold in Europe, and a horrible hold in Japan. Japan is the deciding factor for who wins the generation.

Can you explain logically why wouldn't 360 owners buy a game such as Shadow of the Collosus?

or a JRPG for that matter?

by the way the 360 Blue Dragon Bundle was selling out in Japan

http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/blue-dragon-pre+orders-selling-out-in-japan-no-really-208601.php

[QUOTE="myke2010"] Beautiful Katamari looks like crap? It has the same art****as the original, but now with far more things onscreen to roll up. I hope you weren't expecting something different as they promised from the get go they had no intention of changing the art**** My only concern is the soundtrack. The original had such an amazing soundtrack and I hope that this one can at least come close to it. As for 360 owners not buying stuff like Shadow of the Colossus, could you please point out such a game for the 360, because I love Team Ico and would buy a product like that in a heartbeat. The PS2 sold more diverse games because it had a much larger (thus more diverse) user base.Mandingo101

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"] you cant be serious about beautiful katamari dude, that game looks like crap and i am a fan of the series. if you havent noticed MS has a deal with them as MS has been trying to entice the japanese crowd, MS couldnt get their hands on konami or square so they go to namco. hence the katamari and ace combat timed exclusives, yet they couldnt get their hands on one of namco's last decent franchises tekken as namco seemingly has some deal with sony(they provided the arcade chips and mobo even i believe, pretty much the whole machines) got soul calibur multiplat but the last one wasnt that great it was ok.

oh and do you think if ps3 hadnt came out at the same time as 360 that those namco games wouldnt have been on ps3 too? ps3 wasnt out when dead rising came out and lost planet was being considered multi but it sold good on 360.BlueBarad

It goes something like this:

Rockstar is what it is today because the success it had on the Playstation 2. Sony and Rockstar should thank each other because they helped each other out tremendously.

But in the corporate world LOVE = Money.

Microsoft offers a bunch of money to Rockstar and Rockstar says:"Sony as good as you have been to me, I will release one of the biggest games this gen on your competitors platform simultaneously. And since they are offering us a boat load of money, we will release exclusive content on it also."

How long has Virtual Fighter been a Playstation Exclusive? Microsoft not only broke the exclusivity deal, but they added Online Support, which is now being ported to the PS3. So the 360 version is superior (even though it is 5 months behind) I will guarantee that VF6 will release simultaneously.

Microsoft is chipping away, slowly but surely.

Can you explain logically why wouldn't 360 owners buy a game such as Shadow of the Collosus?

or a JRPG for that matter?

by the way the 360 Blue Dragon Bundle was selling out in Japan

http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/blue-dragon-pre+orders-selling-out-in-japan-no-really-208601.php

BlueBarad

The 360 can only win if they appeal to the Japanese. They already have a strong hold in the Americas, an ok hold in Europe, and a horrible hold in Japan. Japan is the deciding factor for who wins the generation.

GeminiForce

[QUOTE="GeminiForce"]

The 360 can only win if they appeal to the Japanese. They already have a strong hold in the Americas, an ok hold in Europe, and a horrible hold in Japan. Japan is the deciding factor for who wins the generation.

Dualshockin

Can you explain logically why wouldn't 360 owners buy a game such as Shadow of the Collosus?

or a JRPG for that matter?

by the way the 360 Blue Dragon Bundle was selling out in Japan

http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/blue-dragon-pre+orders-selling-out-in-japan-no-really-208601.php

BlueBarad

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="myke2010"] Beautiful Katamari looks like crap? It has the same art****as the original, but now with far more things onscreen to roll up. I hope you weren't expecting something different as they promised from the get go they had no intention of changing the art**** My only concern is the soundtrack. The original had such an amazing soundtrack and I hope that this one can at least come close to it. As for 360 owners not buying stuff like Shadow of the Colossus, could you please point out such a game for the 360, because I love Team Ico and would buy a product like that in a heartbeat. The PS2 sold more diverse games because it had a much larger (thus more diverse) user base.myke2010

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="GeminiForce"]

The 360 can only win if they appeal to the Japanese. They already have a strong hold in the Americas, an ok hold in Europe, and a horrible hold in Japan. Japan is the deciding factor for who wins the generation.

myke2010

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"] When Katamari came out for the PS2 the system already had a huge lead on the competition. It was still a niche game, but because the PS2 had such a huge user base it also had a larger group of players such niche titles appealed to. Had Katamari been released in the PS2's opening salvo in North America and Europe you most likely would have seen a similar result. Also, early adapters for all systems tend to be the more hardcore gamers, whereas many of these such titles appeal more to the casual gamer. Games like BK and VP can do just as well on the 360 as the PS2 provided the 360 ever matches their sales numbers, but then that's true of any system. However calling this proof that such games don't appeal to 360 owners is rather silly.Mandingo101

[QUOTE="myke2010"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="GeminiForce"]

The 360 can only win if they appeal to the Japanese. They already have a strong hold in the Americas, an ok hold in Europe, and a horrible hold in Japan. Japan is the deciding factor for who wins the generation.

Dualshockin

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="myke2010"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="GeminiForce"]

The 360 can only win if they appeal to the Japanese. They already have a strong hold in the Americas, an ok hold in Europe, and a horrible hold in Japan. Japan is the deciding factor for who wins the generation.

myke2010

The PS2 had more games that appealed to the Japanese. The 360 has few as of right now. The Japanese have different cultures and tastes to games. I don't remember where I saw it but there was an article that explains the Japanese and American tastes. I think it was on 1up but again I don't remember where I saw it.GeminiForce

Way to ignore the fact I was using Katamari to illustrate my point concerning the large PS2 consumer base to explain the support of diverse titles. And the attempt to use the remark "I wasn't talking about sales" to dismiss it, bravo...... Now back to reality. Niche titles like those created by Team Ico can survive just as well on the 360 as any other console. Despite countless genres finding success on MS platforms it seems the majority of anti-MS people seem bound and determined to keep it labled the shooter and sports console. Yet games with massive hype like Mass Effect are almost purposfully ignored. Likewise platformers like Ninja Gaiden and Tomb Raider likewise find great support. Saying that JRPGs aren't supported by 360 owners when we've only received one mediocre JRPGs is extremely disingenious. It would be like saying that racing games like Nascar 08 aren't doing well because the PS3 consumers don't like them, nevermind the fact that the game wasn't very good. Yes, Americans and Japanese have different tastes, but the fact that series like MGS, FF, and Super Mario have found success on both sides of the Pacific prove that our taste don't vary as much as some people would have us believe.myke2010

Richard Garriot the creator of the first MMORPG said: "Just because the successfull MMOs have been Fantasy games, doesn't mean that an MMO has to be a Fantasy to be successfull"

Every single person claims that the 360 only has shooters. It has 2 AAA racing games, that are never mentioned. But the Stigma continues.

The fact that Microsoft is able to pull of these "niche" deals only proves that they are broadening their appeal.

[QUOTE="myke2010"] Way to ignore the fact I was using Katamari to illustrate my point concerning the large PS2 consumer base to explain the support of diverse titles. And the attempt to use the remark "I wasn't talking about sales" to dismiss it, bravo...... Now back to reality. Niche titles like those created by Team Ico can survive just as well on the 360 as any other console. Despite countless genres finding success on MS platforms it seems the majority of anti-MS people seem bound and determined to keep it labled the shooter and sports console. Yet games with massive hype like Mass Effect are almost purposfully ignored. Likewise platformers like Ninja Gaiden and Tomb Raider likewise find great support. Saying that JRPGs aren't supported by 360 owners when we've only received one mediocre JRPGs is extremely disingenious. It would be like saying that racing games like Nascar 08 aren't doing well because the PS3 consumers don't like them, nevermind the fact that the game wasn't very good. Yes, Americans and Japanese have different tastes, but the fact that series like MGS, FF, and Super Mario have found success on both sides of the Pacific prove that our taste don't vary as much as some people would have us believe.BlueBarad

Richard Garriot the creator of the first MMORPG said: "Just because the successfull MMOs have been Fantasy games, doesn't mean that an MMO has to be a Fantasy to be successfull"

Every single person claims that the 360 only has shooters. It has 2 AAA racing games, that are never mentioned. But the Stigma continues.

The fact that Microsoft is able to pull of these "niche" deals only proves that they are broadening their appeal.

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"] When Katamari came out for the PS2 the system already had a huge lead on the competition. It was still a niche game, but because the PS2 had such a huge user base it also had a larger group of players such niche titles appealed to. Had Katamari been released in the PS2's opening salvo in North America and Europe you most likely would have seen a similar result. Also, early adapters for all systems tend to be the more hardcore gamers, whereas many of these such titles appeal more to the casual gamer. Games like BK and VP can do just as well on the 360 as the PS2 provided the 360 ever matches their sales numbers, but then that's true of any system. However calling this proof that such games don't appeal to 360 owners is rather silly.myke2010

That was a very well articulated post. If I disagreed with anything before I read it, I agree now.

It still baffles me how Sony is getting their as* handed to them. This would be the equivalent of Sony getting into the Operating System business and in 6 years having half of Microsoft's market share. BlueBarad

Depends.

It's too early to tell, wait until the PS3 goes down in price, has more games, and the Wii fad either dies down or continues.