Microsoft: Xbox 360 May Not Even Be At Mid-Cycle Yet

[QUOTE="themerlin"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

I don't think the 360 was built future proof. That's just me.

Zero_epyon

[QUOTE="themerlin"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

I don't think the 360 was built future proof. That's just me.

scarface_dm

How do you know ps3 will last another 2-3 years counting Sony is losing money with each console sold :|

Easily. Console manufacturers get most of their money from sold games. If you've ever wondered why console games are more expensive than PC games, that is where that extra fee goes.

[QUOTE="scarface_dm"]

[QUOTE="themerlin"] Nothing is future proof not even the supercomputer known as the PS3Icarian

How do you know ps3 will last another 2-3 years counting Sony is losing money with each console sold :|

Easily. Console manufacturers get most of their money from sold games. If you've ever wondered why console games are more expensive than PC games, that is where that extra fee goes.

If thats the case 360 will outlast ps3 since it usually sells more software, safe to say 360 aighnt goin no were :)

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="themerlin"] Nothing is future proof not even the supercomputer known as the PS3themerlin

we need a new system in 2 or 3 years . 360 is really starting to show its age .

dontshackzmii

[QUOTE="themerlin"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Well this thread is about the 360. However, If we are comparing the PS3 is more future proof than the 360. Built in wifi, a winning format, 3D via an update. Heck people are still buying PS2! Zero_epyon

We need new systems soon. Cheap hardware is available for new consoles where they could be atleast twice as powerful as the current ones. Cost is holding back further progression in the terms of graphics and other gameplay aspects. The PC has hardware available that is capable of amazing graphics, physics, etc but is being held back because developers focus more on consoles now than PC.EXLINK

It's perfectly in line with predictions this generation, they are doing everything they can to halt the increase in development costs. Though nothing that's static can be future proof, you cannot build something that will surpass the growth of technology over the long term.

This includes the PS3, which seems increasingly willing to cannibalize its CPU performance. That's the problem with having a hybrid processor, sure you can utilize Cell to make a game look shinier; but it comes at a cost to resources available for game logic, AI, physics etc.

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]Ya with games like Metro 2033, Alan Wake, Reach and so on coming out it is really showing its age :roll:tupapi006

I am talking about the hardware . those games on 360 will be low res . it will be 720p or under . Also its not very future proof . 360 feels like its in between gens . with dvd no wifi no blue tooth and so on ,

you sound like a fanboy :?

O wait you really are

[QUOTE="tupapi006"]

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

I am talking about the hardware . those games on 360 will be low res . it will be 720p or under . Also its not very future proof . 360 feels like its in between gens . with dvd no wifi no blue tooth and so on ,

lettuceman44

you sound like a fanboy :?

O wait you really are

The PC has hardware available that is capable of amazing graphics, physics, etc but is being held back because developers focus more on consoles now than PC.EXLINK

Not so much console focused as lowest common denominator focused, there is a difference.

People assume preference towards consoles because of how the games are being designed. What's actually happening is they are building games in a manner that ensures compatibility across all target platforms. A game that runs on a console is guaranteed to run on a gaming PC provided it is optimized well enough, but a game designed for a high end PC may build capabilities that won't be possible on consoles.

By targeting console hardware they ensure they avoid this problem.

no thank you im tired of taking out my wallet for another new system until then another newer newer system come.

I think with the economy and people losing jobs and homes it's going to be difficult to start building more powerful and expensive consoles not to mention the toll it will give to game developers wallet to build gaames for these high class system.

nope I dont think well see new systems for quite a long while my guess the new system will be the ps3 wand and the microsoft natal that's all your going to see.

It's perfectly in line with predictions this generation, they are doing everything they can to halt the increase in development costs. Though nothing that's static can be future proof, you cannot build something that will surpass the growth of technology over the long term.

This includes the PS3, which seems increasingly willing to cannibalize its CPU performance. That's the problem with having a hybrid processor, sure you can utilize Cell to make a game look shinier; but it comes at a cost to resources available for game logic, AI, physics etc.

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

[QUOTE="themerlin"] yeah people are still buying PS2 but that was outdated when it was released so whats your point ?themerlin

Well most games won't need the extra oomph for things like AI or physics anyway, so it makes sense to use whatever SPU is left to do graphics stuff. If a game specifically needs it they can just budget out the SPU's ahead of time and take the hit on graphics.

Teufelhuhn

Not needed as in not used for, the game won't need allot of performance for AI and physics if you don't push those areas.

I see PS3 gamers complain about PhysX enhanced games on PC, claiming if it could be done on a GPU it could be done on Cell, of course blaming 360 for holding them back. Yes, it could be done on Cell, but it actually has to free up the performance to run those things.

The more Cell is tapped to expand on RSX the less they are going to have for dynamic/intelligent games, PS3 developers seem to favour graphics over stuff that actually impacts the game play.

So then why is the ps2 still selling and the xbox isn't if it can output 720p? Zero_epyon

Because MS didn't future prof it correctly. What games did the xbox have that could output 720p graphics while retaining or improving the game's graphical quality? .Zero_epyon

It was a useless feature. When you future proof you throw in features that will matter in the long run related to how you play games.Zero_epyon

all pc offers over console is diff controls (better is subject to taste)

better graphics in some games

mods

None of which you need to have a good game.

all pc offers over console is diff controls (better is subject to taste)

better graphics in almost all games

mods

None of which have any relevance to this thread.

13C

fixed :)

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] You tell us, you're the genius saying that Future proof = Long life cycle, his post completly destroys your logic [QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]Because MS didn't future prof it correctly. What games did the xbox have that could output 720p graphics while retaining or improving the game's graphical quality? .kolkov01

It was a useless feature. When you future proof you throw in features that will matter in the long run related to how you play games.Zero_epyon

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] You tell us, you're the genius saying that Future proof = Long life cycle, his post completly destroys your logic [QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]Because MS didn't future prof it correctly. What games did the xbox have that could output 720p graphics while retaining or improving the game's graphical quality? .kolkov01

It was a useless feature. When you future proof you throw in features that will matter in the long run related to how you play games.Zero_epyon

1) Simple. The xbox was discontinued by MS since it wasn't making them enough money. Some believe that the nvidia components were a great expense to MS.

2) Can you think of any others?

3) Yes HD was usless when the majority of the library of all consoles were and TV's on the market weren't HD yet. You're making it seem as if I'm saying it's useless now. And here's what future proofing is. The PS2 came out way before hard drives were necessary for games. Yet you could still add a drive to a ps2. Interesting isn't it?

So future proof =/= Long life cylce? Than what's you're definition?

i liked it when the guy said" Natal era" .....anyway, good to hear, i expected to see the next xbox in 2011 at max, anyway seems natal is their final hope to dominate for the rest of the generation over sony.

"The Xbox 360 was designed for a long life, and I don't even know if we're at the midpoint yet,"

Microsoft

Well they said that they wanted it to have a 10 year life cycle.

So if they go through with that then it won't reach its midpoint till Christmas this year, so I don't think they are lying. I still think they will launch a new console in 2011.

[QUOTE="kolkov01"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] GTA: San Andreas springs to mind [QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]It was a useless feature. When you future proof you throw in features that will matter in the long run related to how you play games.Zero_epyon

1) Simple. The xbox was discontinued by MS since it wasn't making them enough money. Some believe that the nvidia components were a great expense to MS.

2) Can you think of any others?

3) Yes HD was usless when the majority of the library of all consoles were and TV's on the market weren't HD yet. You're making it seem as if I'm saying it's useless now. And here's what future proofing is. The PS2 came out way before hard drives were necessary for games. Yet you could still add a drive to a ps2. Interesting isn't it?

So future proof =/= Long life cylce? Than what's you're definition?

[QUOTE="kolkov01"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] GTA: San Andreas springs to mind [QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]It was a useless feature. When you future proof you throw in features that will matter in the long run related to how you play games.Zero_epyon

1) Simple. The xbox was discontinued by MS since it wasn't making them enough money. Some believe that the nvidia components were a great expense to MS.

2) Can you think of any others?

3) Yes HD was usless when the majority of the library of all consoles were and TV's on the market weren't HD yet. You're making it seem as if I'm saying it's useless now. And here's what future proofing is. The PS2 came out way before hard drives were necessary for games. Yet you could still add a drive to a ps2. Interesting isn't it?

So future proof =/= Long life cylce? Than what's you're definition?

I'm sorry but the way the quotes were made it looked like you were having an argument with yourself. :lol:

What I just quoted probably won't look like that after I post this though.

Also, Just because a console has a 10 year life span doesn't mean the company won't make a new console. Example, Sony and Nintendo.

i liked it when the guy said" Natal era" .....anyway, good to hear, i expected to see the next xbox in 2011 at max, anyway seems natal is their final hope to dominate for the rest of the generation over sony.

2mrw

i liked it when the guy said" Natal era" .....anyway, good to hear, i expected to see the next xbox in 2011 at max, anyway seems natal is their final hope to dominate for the rest of the generation over sony.

It's not like MS would say "we are gonna release the next Xbox next year" if they were going to :P With that said, the 360 has been and still is a success for MS, so I don't think they are gonna release a new console anytime soon.IronBass

Well November 2011 is practically 2 years away so I'll just have to cross my fingers, hoping that when they say "not anytime soon" they really mean "not within one year". :D

*crosses fingers*

we need a new system in 2 or 3 years . 360 is really starting to show its age .

dontshackzmii

You're saying this as if it's reached it's full potential already. :roll:

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

If it was designed for a long life, then how come it launched with a measly 20gb HDD?

rybe1025

I want next gen to start as soon as possible.

I want next gen to start as soon as possible.

Vyylent5

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

we need a new system in 2 or 3 years . 360 is really starting to show its age .

MadVybz

You're saying this as if it's reached it's full potential already. :roll:

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]Ya with games like Metro 2033, Alan Wake, Reach and so on coming out it is really showing its age :roll:tupapi006

I am talking about the hardware . those games on 360 will be low res . it will be 720p or under . Also its not very future proof . 360 feels like its in between gens . with dvd no wifi no blue tooth and so on ,

you sound like a fanboy :?

O wait you really are

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

we need a new system in 2 or 3 years . 360 is really starting to show its age .

I am talking about the hardware . those games on 360 will be low res . it will be 720p or under . Also its not very future proof . 360 feels like its in between gens . with dvd no wifi no blue tooth and so on ,

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

we need a new system in 2 or 3 years . 360 is really starting to show its age .

Trmpt

You're saying this as if it's reached it's full potential already. :roll:

...And you're saying that this is a bad thing? Buddy, I know that technology is advancing like crazy, but the current gaming renaissance has not only made this a proven mainstream medium, but gaming experiences are at their peak at the moment, and could very well be improved vastly before this generation ends. Moving on too quickly from something that probably hasn't even been implemented to a considerably substantial degree is just plain stupid. Things are gum drops and ice cream at the moment. Staying at a 5 year gen cycle can and will waste loads of untapped gaming innovation that could be perfected and improved once the next generation kicks in, instead of still experimenting when we're supposed to be improving. Besides, how much farther can you go once you've gone to HD?

yay

i dont want this gen to end untill 2014+

This makes me very happy if true, I really do not want a new system. I have a ton of games and I feel this gen can go for another 5 years. But what do I know.

...And you're saying that this is a bad thing?

Buddy, I know that technology is advancing like crazy, but the current gaming renaissance has not only made this a proven mainstream medium, but gaming experiences are at their peak at the moment, and could very well be improved vastly before this generation ends.

Moving on too quickly from something that probably hasn't even been implemented to a considerably substantial degree is just plain stupid. Things are gum drops and ice cream at the moment.

Staying at a 5 year gen cycle can and will waste loads of untapped gaming innovation that could be perfected and improved once the next generation kicks in, instead of still experimenting when we're supposed to be improving. Besides, how much farther can you go once you've gone to HD?

MadVybz

Yup. :)

You should read the first two things I bolded because if something is at its peak then...well it's at its peak.

As for the next two things I bolded; What do you think they are?...Dragon Ball Z characters? These things don't have "DA UNLIMITED POWUH!" And did you really just ask me "how much farther can you go once you go HD?"

Oh...and you should watch this. Turn up the volume. :D

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

...And you're saying that this is a bad thing?

Buddy, I know that technology is advancing like crazy, but the current gaming renaissance has not only made this a proven mainstream medium, but gaming experiences are at their peak at the moment, and could very well be improved vastly before this generation ends.

Moving on too quickly from something that probably hasn't even been implemented to a considerably substantial degree is just plain stupid. Things are gum drops and ice cream at the moment.

Staying at a 5 year gen cycle can and will waste loads of untapped gaming innovation that could be perfected and improved once the next generation kicks in, instead of still experimenting when we're supposed to be improving. Besides, how much farther can you go once you've gone to HD?

Trmpt

Yup. :)

You should read the first two things I bolded because if something is at its peak then...well it's at its peak.

As for the next two things I bolded; What do you think they are?...Dragon Ball Z characters? These things don't have "DA UNLIMITED POWUH!" And did you really just ask me "how much farther can you go once you go HD?"

Oh...and you should watch this. Turn up the volume. :D

What you don't seem to realise is that I said that gaming experiences are at their peakat the moment. There is still plenty of room for improvement in this gen. Gosh, selective reading is so much fun, isn't it?

And by 'untapped' gaming innovation I meant not only could we get out of these brown/grey times during this gen, neither console has been used to their full potential yet. And tell me, how much farther can you go once you've gone HD? If you're going to imply something, at least explain yourself.

Also, being a smartass about a simple use of the word 'buddy' doesn't get anywhere....Just because someone says it doesn't mean that they think you are indeed their 'buddy'. Just thought I'd point that out.

< Besides, how much farther can you go once you've gone to HD?

MadVybz

Games will eventually look like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YjXCae4Gu0&feature=related

What you don't seem to realise is that I said that gaming experiences are at their peakat the moment. There is still plenty of room for improvement in this gen. Gosh, selective reading is so much fun, isn't it?

And by 'untapped' gaming innovation I meant not only could we get out of these brown/grey times during this gen, neither console has been used to their full potential yet. And tell me, how much farther can you go once you've gone HD? If you're going to imply something, at least explain yourself.

Also, being a smartass about a simple use of the word 'buddy' doesn't get anywhere....Just because someone says it doesn't mean that they think you are indeed their 'buddy'. Just thought I'd point that out.

MadVybz

Oh that wasn't selective reading...when I hear someone say "it's at its peak" I think "that's it". Even if you go by how you look at it ..how many peaks do you think it has?

How much more do you think these consoles can do in the areas of physics, graphics, and AI?

I want a snow blizzard to look like a snow blizzard.

I want a rocket to leave a crater in the ground, not just some black paint.

I want the enemy to be able to steal my peanut butter and jelly sandwhich out of my hands while I'm about to take a bite.

And I saw the perfect opportunity to use that video and took it. 8)

[QUOTE="Vyylent5"]

I want next gen to start as soon as possible.

KHAndAnime

not going to happen so better get used to what you have.

My budget thanks you Microsoft