Microsoft's multiplat and indie box (Xbox One X) power totally dependent on devs

There's no denying it's a powerful console but who's going to use that power? Spencer has said it's completely up to the devs what they do with the potential of the X meaning they could do a lot or they could just do nothing at all.

Sony, as far as I know, demand that all new titles make at least some use of the PS4 Pro be it resolution increase or better visuals etc but they are apparently obligated to do something.

Spencer says he won't tell devs what to do as it interferes with the creative process which is kind of fair enough BUT what if that gives them a free pass to just shove out the same game they have already made for the standard Xbox One on the X?

So we have to ask what is the real advantage of the X? We all know games like God of War, Detroit, Days Gone, Lost Legacy etc etc will all have full Pro support.

Microsoft doesn't have a pot to piss in as far as exclusives go so they need devs to have some incentive to pull out all the stops and make their games sing on the X. How do they do that?

First we need to answer a pretty straightforward question. Will games look and perform better on the Xbox One X by default? Sony originally insisted games on the Pro would have parity with the standard PS4 then backpedalled and introduced boost mode which does pretty much the opposite. The X will have no such restrictions but how much difference will that make in reality to the end product for games on the X? There is definitely a market for a console that guarantees high quality multiplats can someone please clarify if X does that by default no liars please and Ron please **** off with the graphs, thanks.

To sum up: with abysmal first party support from MS and any and all improvements and enhancements for games by devs being completely optional will the X actually prove to be even more niche a product than the PS4 Pro but without the AAA exclusives and will the inherent power of the thing be enough of a draw for anyone on the fence anyway?

This thread may answer these questions. Then again, it might not. I love a good mystery.

Games that are made specifically for the Xbox One would run better by default. This is something that has been repeated over and over and over again. When Sony announced Boost mode no one was asking over and over and over again will their stock PS4 games run better. Why this there this imaginary confusion or pretense of being confused?

Developers are going to use the additional power because its just there to be used. There is no magical coding that why MS is recommending that devs design for PC and simply port it over to the One X. Its not REMOTELY as complicated as you are making it out to be because devs have been doing this for PC games for AGES.

@blueinheaven: How many of you cows are going to make stupid MS threads, it's getting beyond pathetic :(

How is this thread worthy? They stated this from the jump!

You will think that with all the hype about PS4 exclusive games, details like this wouldn't have them this perturbed.

I know what devs have been doing for PC games the X isn't a fucking PC. Games need patches to support the X just like they do with the PS4 Pro. So far he's shown AC Origins and Anthem running in 4K. Where is all the dev support for this thing? Is that why he showed a ton of indie garbage at the show?

Boost mode for Pro is different the actual 'boost' is kind of limited. I'm disappointed you didn't know that, I thought you were vaguely tech savvy.

Most third party games will take advantage of that extra juice..look at the games on console PS4,XBOX ONE vs the PS4 PRO version...it makes the other versions look like utter crap.

I have a PS4 Pro and most games actually don't take advantage that's kind of my point. The ones that do look fantastic (Uncharted 4 etc) but most don't. I'm asking why it's going to be any different with the X.

There is no need for patch for Xbox One X performance advantage. Xbox One X will support original Xbox One and S games but simply run them better with NO need for patching (at least the vast majority). Games that want to take advantage of higher resolution will need to be patched because such an option simply didn't exist in the original game code prior to the One X. There is a list of games that will be upgraded to the higher res and it has been posted on this forum multiple times. But lets not pretend you are trying to be reasonable. You simply shooting blanks hoping that one of your shots are live but thats not going to happen with the nonsense you are pushing out.

lol, did I upset you? Are you fuming that I'm asking a simple question here about your beloved Xbox? So will the X introduce better textures and visuals 'by magic' to games just by switching it on and only higher res needs a patch? That's some feat they pulled off there.

@kuu2 So you have literally nothing at all to add to the conversation outside of 'I love Xbox just cos' ? Righto.

Lol... they're clutching at straws.

I am answering your question and because the answer does not work to fit your silly agenda I am fuming. LOL. Your thread failed because you are talking from ignorance and you are making shit up. Now you are sidetracking from the issue with more ignorance in order to save face. Its cute. :)

A lot of words that actually said nothing at all. I'll try to help... so patches needed for higher resolutions. No dev is obligated to do even that. So X runs games better by default how? A game capped at 30fps (most console games are) suddenly runs at 60fps on X with no patch is that what you're saying?

Be careful what you say here my closet Lemming amigo, you could look stupid forever depending on how you choose to answer this.

@blueinheaven: I played RE 7 on PS4 then on PS4 PRO and there is a noticeable differences when it comes to resolution,textures,framerate etc.

Refer to my initial answer. You seem like you want to run around in circles because you OP is falling apart and don't worry about me being stupid. You are currently beating me to the punch. LOL.

What should the talk about? That 1 hour shit show last night?

I'm disappointed you conceded and copped out so fast. Never mind, Ron will be here soon with 5000 graphs and endless paragraphs of stuff that even he doesn't understand.

Interesting that Spencer at no point at all during the E3 presentation talked about what effect the X had on games without patches and instead talked about a load of indie crap and a couple of multiplats in 4K. He avoided it during his interview with Gamespot too. For some, that tells its own story.

@blueinheaven: it's called "integrity" devs want there games to look and play the best they possibly can.

Well the one who banish for years to hide while the xbox one was getting its ass kick was you not us,so i think the insecurity come from lemmings.

Scorpio is more powerful than pro and nothing will change that,but power without games mean total shit MS worse year by far is 2017,not that the other ones were greatness only 1 90+ game in meta in almost 4 years and you can play it on PC with better graphics and free online play is a catastrophe for the brand not even the original xbox was that bad.

Power will not save the xbox and while you can brag about power,is pretty bad when you also have the worse version as well.

I answered the question and even the question you asking now(cricles?). You didn't like the answer. Thats all there is to it. LOL.

this doesn't need a thread. We have known this for a year and a half now. I'm not reading your wall of text

Its a damage control thread.

Integrity. Aw bless... someone who still thinks devs have any say at all in what they do or don't do and it's not publishers pulling everything they do apart to be sold off in bits for DLC and microtransactions.

Innocence lost...

@Pedro said:

@NFJSupreme said:

this doesn't need a thread. We have known this for a year and a half now. I'm not reading your wall of text

Its a damage control thread.

if there is one thing I've learned from all the E3 damage control it's that Microsoft and Nintendo have delivered. Cows are definitely feeling some type of way

@blueinheaven: there is a huge difference in a publisher hacking up a game to make more profit which I'm sure devs hate. Than a publisher saying hey make that game look a little worse, it looks too good. No a crisp smooth game with amazing visuals is gonna sell in a publishers eyes, so then they can chop out chunks of the game and make that DLC and sell even more.

I mean you can keep moving goal post around and twist it so your argument always wins by default it doesn't matter to me, your the only one that looks like a fool.

No dev and publisher is gonna release a game with the intent of losing money, people like shiney pretty graphics which is why games look they way they do now. So why exactly wouldn't a dev or publisher look to make their game better? Go ahead twist something up to shoot it down I'll wait

I'll humour you with a response. If Xbox One X flies off the shelves yes publishers will take notice and demand all devs tweak everything and spend that extra time delivering an X experience.

The Pro didn't fly off the shelves, X won't either. Publishers won't give a flying f*** one way or the other about an X 'version' that they will see as paying for dev time that gives something away for free. The Pro has taught us that. Well when I say 'us' I obviously don't include you.

Default support for it will be better then the pro, this is already known. Out of the box improvement for dynamic games that were not heating the target framerate and resolution. You also get full Anistropic Filtering support (this is a godsend for consoles). Most MS first party games like Forza, Gears Of War, Halo have dynamic fidelity adjustment as well. These should see a nice improvement out of the box. Obviously patches are needed to take the ultimate advantage.

Lets be honest nothing is perfect and its very hard for these locked down devices to control all of this. How devs take advantage not even the base consoles get a say in that. Microsoft is handling this better then Sony and actually is going to help sony pro will get me too please support. They just fall into the same trap and confusion because they need that label to sell this console.

IMO I see X selling better than Pro because it actually provides a genuine advantage over other consoles. Plus it fills a rather growing niche than what PS4 Pro can.

@blueinheaven: What are you confused about? By default the system functions to better serve unpatched code, it forces 16x anisotropic filtering at a system level, games with unregulated framerates will max out to the peak of the code, games with dynamic resolutions will max out to the peak of the code.

Literally every game you play on this system will look and run better, this applies to backward compatibility titles as well. The Pro trying to do this is an afterthought with Boost Mode, the system was not developed to accomplish anything like this so the results are less than stellar, this system from day one was designed and aimed to better games whether patched or not.

I'll tell you this much. I'm on the train home from the E3 floor and every game on the show floor from AAA to indie in the Xbox section was running in 4K. Devs have the devkit and they are happily using it.

MS is working with Bioware to help them optimize the game Anthem for the Xbox One X. The big devs are taking advantage of PIX too especially games with previous iterations. EA is onboard with using UWP.

From what I can gather devs are taking advantage of it.

Sure some crap devs might have lesser resolution etc. but it's there and devs seem to be embracing it.

I was shocked at how good some of these games look. Stuff I wasn't interested in I'm going to get now on X1X like Agents of Mayhem and Strange Brigade just because of how good they looked and how buttery they ran on X1X.

I know it's gonna make cows mad, but the Pro is about to be to the X1X what X1 was to the PS4.

I'll say this - I own a PS4. If I was going to buy a new system right now, it would not be a Pro. It would be an X1X. I don't care about the $100, and I already have access to the PS exclusives. I won't be buying an X1X, because 1) I have a Win10 gaming PC, and 2) I don't have a 4K tv. But it's a cool machine. If I didn't have a PC, or didn't have a PS4, then decisions would be tougher and pull in different directions

@blueinheaven: the existing games need patches but launch titles won't.

They listed off 30 games that are getting upgraded in the briefing.

That's part of what they meant by launch exclusive in the briefing. The games that have that enhanced coding at the bottom of the box are already throttled up built on the X1X devkit.

The more and more we hear about the XboneX the more it sounds like "True 4K gaming" PR is a lie.

I have no doubt that MS 1st party games will take full advantage of the XboneX but I doubt a lot of devs will go back to their older XBone games to take full advantage of 4K and framerate boosts. The problem with MS is that they've positioned this new console as a 4K gaming machine and right out of the gate we're already seeing upscaled games just like on the PS4 Pro. What exactly did lems wait an extra year for? To play indies and Minecraft in 4K lol? There are already a bunch of indie 4K native games on the Pro right now, and unlike the XboneX the Pro actually has quality AAA exclusives.

Lems won't admit it but the XboneX is a disappointment. They convinced very few people other than die-hard lems to spend $500 on the new machine. It's my biggest gripe with them this E3. Other than Forza 7 running in 4K (looked great) I saw no reason why a gamer that already owns a PS4/X1S/PS4P would wanna upgrade. Indies are not a good enough reason to upgrade for most people and neither is Crackhead 3. I think the majority of people that want 4K with no compromises will stick with high-end PCs.

Literally no one cares about what you have to say, you've proven yourself as dishonest and a proponent of perpetuating double standards, you and many of the cows still here.

LOL! How long did it take you in Paint and come up with that Nyadc?

@oflow: so you can see the difference noticeably in games running on the X1X?

Cause honestly your statement of X1X is to the Pro what PS4 is to the X1 makes me hesitant cause I don't really see a difference in games runnning on a PS4 and X1, nothing jarring or amazing by any means.

@quadknight said:

@gordonfreeman said:

@quadknight said:

The more and more we hear about the XboneX the more it sounds like "True 4K gaming" PR is a lie.

I have no doubt that MS 1st party games will take full advantage of the XboneX but I doubt a lot of devs will of back to path their older Bone games to take full advantage of 4K and framerate boosts. The problem with MS is that they've positioned this new console as a 4K gaming machine and right out of the gate we're already seeing upscaled games just like on the PS4 Pro. What exactly did lems wait an extra year for? To play indies and Minecraft in 4K lol? The are already a bunch of indie 4K native games on the Pro right now, and unlike the XboneX the Pro actually has quality AAA exclusives.

Lems won't admit it but the XboneX is a disappointment. They convinced very few people other than die-hard lems to spend $500 on the new machine. It's my biggest gripe with them this E3. Other than Forza 7 running in 4K (looked great) I saw no reason why a gamer that already owns a PS4/X1S/PS4P would wanna upgrade. Indies are not a good enough reason to upgrade for most people and neither is Crackhead 3. I think the majority of people that want 4K with no compromises will stick with high-end PCs.

Literally no one cares about what you have to say, you've proven yourself as dishonest and a proponent of perpetuating double standards, you and many of the cows still here.

LOL! How long did it take you in Paint and come up with that Nyadc?

Just a few minutes, I was debating on whether I should make a collage with every cow on the forum in the image highlighting the double standards in logic and total contradiction, I wouldn't even have to actually reply anymore, a picture would in this instance say a thousand words.

You guys have made it too easy to character assassinate you because all of the BS you've been spouting for years and have done a 180 on is easily accessible.

@gordonfreeman said:

@quadknight said:

@gordonfreeman said:

@quadknight said:

The more and more we hear about the XboneX the more it sounds like "True 4K gaming" PR is a lie.

I have no doubt that MS 1st party games will take full advantage of the XboneX but I doubt a lot of devs will of back to path their older Bone games to take full advantage of 4K and framerate boosts. The problem with MS is that they've positioned this new console as a 4K gaming machine and right out of the gate we're already seeing upscaled games just like on the PS4 Pro. What exactly did lems wait an extra year for? To play indies and Minecraft in 4K lol? The are already a bunch of indie 4K native games on the Pro right now, and unlike the XboneX the Pro actually has quality AAA exclusives.

Lems won't admit it but the XboneX is a disappointment. They convinced very few people other than die-hard lems to spend $500 on the new machine. It's my biggest gripe with them this E3. Other than Forza 7 running in 4K (looked great) I saw no reason why a gamer that already owns a PS4/X1S/PS4P would wanna upgrade. Indies are not a good enough reason to upgrade for most people and neither is Crackhead 3. I think the majority of people that want 4K with no compromises will stick with high-end PCs.

Literally no one cares about what you have to say, you've proven yourself as dishonest and a proponent of perpetuating double standards, you and many of the cows still here.

LOL! How long did it take you in Paint and come up with that Nyadc?

Just a few minutes, I was debating on whether I should make a collage with every cow on the forum in the image highlighting the double standards in logic and total contradiction, I wouldn't even have to actually reply anymore, a picture would in this instance say a thousand words.

You guys have made it too easy to character assassinate you because all of the BS you've been spouting for years and have done a 180 on is easily accessible.

? Please go ahead, don't let me stop your meltdown. I really want to see you do this lol.

@quadknight: basically you're completely wrong. You're also in denial. The games on X1X are not upscaled, only games made before the devkit released are upgraded.

See my post above it. Every game in the Xbox section on the show floor was running in 4K from AAA to indie.

EA, Ubi and Activision are all onboard with using UWP and are also working with MS to optimize their games for Xbox One X.

Theres a reason Anthem and AC: Origins were premiered on the new Xbox. They even are starting to pull some Japanese devs onboard.


Oh yeah PSVR had like 1/3 of the games it had last year PSVR, it appears to be starting its downward death spiral.

And GT Sport had noticeable jaggies, it looks like crap compared to Forza 7.

^ ^ Another meltdown lol. Geez lems, get a grip. You're embarrassing yourselves.

You know I'm right and that's why you're so upset. MS utterly failed to convince most gamers why the X1X is worth getting. Other than Forza 7 there wasn't a single compelling AAA exclusive title from them lol. God of War 4 alone running on OG PS4 made a better case for people to buy the PS4 Pro than MS did with all their exclusives this E3 and that's sad.

This console has all the Sony buttbros shook. It's sad really. Please try to continue on with your lives, I don't want to see you guys hurt :(

The only embarrassing thing going on around these forums right now is you guys pathetically trying to fight losing the power struggle again.

It's over dude, nothing else to say really.

@i_p_daily: Oh no! People making threads in a forum?? I never! This will not stand!

I'm not fighting any battles. I freely admit the X1X is more powerful than the Pro, you're the one desperately trying to convince everyone that it isn't gonna be a flop though due to MS' weak first party and $500 sticker shock. You're trying to convince yourself it's on par with a high-end PC when anyone with eyes can see that it isn't and will still rely on upscaling like the PS4 Pro albeit less. Your meltdowns and tirades are pure evidence of your butthurt. Still waiting for your crappy Paint gif showing "all the cows for the hypocrites they are" lol.

You're not even worth talking to anymore haha, later pleb.

? Run back to your mommy little lem.

Forza 7 just shit all up inside this thread.

The XBX has cows here legit hurt. OP in particular showing the butthurt with that tin foil hat worthy OP.