Microsoft's multiplat and indie box (Xbox One X) power totally dependent on devs

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#51  Edited By ronvalencia
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@blueinheaven said:
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A lot of words that actually said nothing at all. I'll try to help... so patches needed for higher resolutions. No dev is obligated to do even that. So X runs games better by default how? A game capped at 30fps (most console games are) suddenly runs at 60fps on X with no patch is that what you're saying?

Be careful what you say here my closet Lemming amigo, you could look stupid forever depending on how you choose to answer this.

Refer to my initial answer. You seem like you want to run around in circles because you OP is falling apart and don't worry about me being stupid. You are currently beating me to the punch. LOL.

I'm disappointed you conceded and copped out so fast. Never mind, Ron will be here soon with 5000 graphs and endless paragraphs of stuff that even he doesn't understand.

Interesting that Spencer at no point at all during the E3 presentation talked about what effect the X had on games without patches and instead talked about a load of indie crap and a couple of multiplats in 4K. He avoided it during his interview with Gamespot too. For some, that tells its own story.

I'll take you on. Come at me. I'm prepared to debate against you for a full 30 days.

I understand the reasons for AMD's compute shader software optimization bias.

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#52 GordonFreeman
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@blueinheaven said:
@Pedro said:
@blueinheaven said:

A lot of words that actually said nothing at all. I'll try to help... so patches needed for higher resolutions. No dev is obligated to do even that. So X runs games better by default how? A game capped at 30fps (most console games are) suddenly runs at 60fps on X with no patch is that what you're saying?

Be careful what you say here my closet Lemming amigo, you could look stupid forever depending on how you choose to answer this.

Refer to my initial answer. You seem like you want to run around in circles because you OP is falling apart and don't worry about me being stupid. You are currently beating me to the punch. LOL.

I'm disappointed you conceded and copped out so fast. Never mind, Ron will be here soon with 5000 graphs and endless paragraphs of stuff that even he doesn't understand.

Interesting that Spencer at no point at all during the E3 presentation talked about what effect the X had on games without patches and instead talked about a load of indie crap and a couple of multiplats in 4K. He avoided it during his interview with Gamespot too. For some, that tells its own story.

He didn't have to talk about it, because when they revealed the Xbox One X Kareem Choudhry talked about it...

derp...

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#53  Edited By deactivated-6092a2d005fba
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@Shewgenja said:

@i_p_daily: Oh no! People making threads in a forum?? I never! This will not stand!

Yeah 24hrs after the show of the century (Sony's) all cows can talk, or should I say have a meltdown about is the Scorpio. Dude you're probably the only one left in the herd that hasn't created a meltdown thread yet. I guess you're too busy making threads about all those fantastic new exclusives VR games Sony announced at this years E3, oh wait nevermind.

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#54 PutASpongeOn
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It's like some of the lemmings here don't understand the metagame.

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#55 PinkAnimal
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I think xbxxbbxo fanboys are too sensitive. They are so defensive by the sole mention of the xbxoxxx by someone who doesn't worship it. Relax dudes.

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#56 PinkAnimal
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I don't think many developers will support the xxxxx so much. For it to get real support it would have to sell and at that price it hardly will.

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#57 deactivated-6092a2d005fba
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@pinkanimal said:

I think xbxxbbxo fanboys are too sensitive. They are so defensive by the sole mention of the xbxoxxx by someone who doesn't worship it. Relax dudes.

Defensive, yeah all the lems are making all the damage control threads on the front page lol

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#58 PinkAnimal
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@i_p_daily: I just counted 4 anti-xxxbobxx threads on the first page and 4 anti-ps4 ones. I just think your Xbone heart got hurt and you're just reinforcing your bias to soothe the pain.

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#59 lglz1337
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ps4 is the leading console and there is where parity begins, trolled

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#60 sonny2dap
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Expect slow start to OneX sales, but world cup next year. expect a big slash in 4K TV prices then you should see a pick up in 4K console purchases, which to be honest I would expect both the Pro and OneX to benefit from.

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#61  Edited By NeonicTrash
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The more and more we hear about the XboneX the more it sounds like "True 4K gaming" PR is a lie.

I have no doubt that MS 1st party games will take full advantage of the XboneX but I doubt a lot of devs will go back to their older XBone games to take full advantage of 4K and framerate boosts. The problem with MS is that they've positioned this new console as a 4K gaming machine and right out of the gate we're already seeing upscaled games just like on the PS4 Pro. What exactly did lems wait an extra year for? To play indies and Minecraft in 4K lol? There are already a bunch of indie 4K native games on the Pro right now, and unlike the XboneX the Pro actually has quality AAA exclusives.

Lems won't admit it but the XboneX is a disappointment. They convinced very few people other than die-hard lems to spend $500 on the new machine. It's my biggest gripe with them this E3. Other than Forza 7 running in 4K (looked great) I saw no reason why a gamer that already owns a PS4/X1S/PS4P would wanna upgrade. Indies are not a good enough reason to upgrade for most people and neither is Crackhead 3. I think the majority of people that want 4K with no compromises will stick with high-end PCs.

Says the guy who for the last 2 years was saying Sony wouldn't release an upgraded Playstation, and went on and on about multiplats looking better on PS4 than X1...and now posts this drivel when that's unarguably no longer going to be the case. Credibility=0

Unlike the Pro, the 1X, as has been stated time and again, was designed to auto-benefit already released X1 games played on it, even without specific 1X patches/enhancements. Already there was an impressive list of major titles receiving special developer attention including WITCHER 3, a title that dev had previously said they wouldn't bother upgrading for the Pro. Many games built with dynamic resolutions such as Doom won't require dev patching to run in higher resolutions. Console is still near half a year from release, is already receiving support for older games from 3rd parties, and Xbox haters like you already want to declare with perpetuity what these devs won't ever do for the 1X, when it's already looking like they will make the effort.

I waited an extra year for a more capable 4k gaming console that doesn't 100% require dev patching to make my existing games look better, runs more games in native 4k at higher fps, and the 4k blu ray player.

You actually just argued that someone with a 1S should have no reason to upgrade...when 1X is like 5x the machine a 1S is. If someone is a console gamer and has a 4k TV 1X is the most capable gaming device. Taste in games is entirely subjective.

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#62  Edited By FLOPPAGE_50
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@babyjoker1221 said:

The XBX has cows here legit hurt. OP in particular showing the butthurt with that tin foil hat worthy OP.

Yup lmao.

Saw cowjenge having a meltdown in another thread when the game was showed to not be 4k but checkerboarded.

"bbbut I PREDICTED DISS!!!"

the insecurity is hilarious

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#63  Edited By FLOPPAGE_50
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@quadknight said:
@gordonfreeman said:
@quadknight said:
@gordonfreeman said:
@quadknight said:

^ ^ Another meltdown lol. Geez lems, get a grip. You're embarrassing yourselves.

The only embarrassing thing going on around these forums right now is you guys pathetically trying to fight losing the power struggle again.

It's over dude, nothing else to say really.

I'm not fighting any battles. I freely admit the X1X is more powerful than the Pro, you're the one desperately trying to convince everyone that it isn't gonna be a flop though due to MS' weak first party and $500 sticker shock. You're trying to convince yourself it's on par with a high-end PC when anyone with eyes can see that it isn't and will still rely on upscaling like the PS4 Pro albeit less. Your meltdowns and tirades are pure evidence of your butthurt. Still waiting for your crappy Paint gif showing "all the cows for the hypocrites they are" lol.

You're not even worth talking to anymore haha, later pleb.

? Run back to your mommy little lem.

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#64 NeonicTrash
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@lglz1337 said:

ps4 is the leading console and there is where parity begins, trolled

Leading in sales. Hardware sales is not even where console making companies make their real revenue. That's in software and subscriptions. Gold CRUSHES Plus, a lot more subscribers too. Learn the industry. Great Phil Spencer interview by Gamespot yesterday, educate yourself.

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#65 FLOPPAGE_50
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@NeonicTrash said:
@lglz1337 said:

ps4 is the leading console and there is where parity begins, trolled

Leading in sales. Hardware sales is not even where console making companies make their real revenue. That's in software and subscriptions. Gold CRUSHES Plus, a lot more subscribers too. Learn the industry. Great Phil Spencer interview by Gamespot yesterday, educate yourself.

Still can't believe SONY turned down EA Access and Crossplay.

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#66  Edited By lglz1337
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@NeonicTrash: lmao MS pR, 1 thing u never should do is listen to phill spencer scam.

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@babyjoker1221 said:

The XBX has cows here legit hurt. OP in particular showing the butthurt with that tin foil hat worthy OP.

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#68 kvally
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I see Sony fans are still mad they have no games or exclusives.

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#69 CrashNBurn281
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I would assume that the XboneX will have a similar uptake in enhanced titles as the Pro.

That being said, having two consoles with superior capabilities just might increase the number of developers putting effort in increased performance.

Having the XboneX out will only benefit the Pro. I could certainly use more enhanced titles on my Pro.

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#70 No_bo_dy_83
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^here is hoping it doesn't end up like the phones market where you can upgrade every years.

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#71  Edited By loe12k
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MS reveal trailer. What the **** happened?

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#72  Edited By xhawk27
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@loe12k said:
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MS reveal trailer. What the **** happened?

Are you a cow now? lol

How much power do you think you get for $500?

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#73 Jebus213
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WE NEED CHARTS AND GRAPHS! THREAD IS INCOMPLETE!

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#74  Edited By hrt_rulz01  Online
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@xhawk27 said:
@loe12k said:
Loading Video...

MS reveal trailer. What the **** happened?

Are you a cow now? lol

How much power do you think you get for $500?

Lol, he seems to be headed that way.

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#75 loe12k
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@xhawk27 said:
@loe12k said:
Loading Video...

MS reveal trailer. What the **** happened?

Are you a cow now? lol

How much power do you think you get for $500?

Microsoft advertised the console to be a 4K native machine. It's just weird xbox gamer's on here ignore that now! The specs are not that special to be 500$ The CPU is a jaguar and GPU is RX480 upclocked.

Microsoft boasted about the CPU calling it custom. Now we see third party 30 fps games. I thought the GPU was modified to do 4K native, again games are a lower resolution. It's not the upgrade MS promised. There is no denying xbox one x is the better console, but MS claims about the console are not real, least it seems that way right now.

We can talk about the xbox one x power,all day long. I can say right now the only system demonstrating first party power, is the PS4

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@pinkanimal: I'm a racing game fan, just in case you couldn't figure that out, and the only pain i would need to soothe is if i owned a PS4.

But since i have Forza i think i will be ok :)

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#77  Edited By waahahah
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@loe12k said:

Microsoft advertised the console to be a 4K native machine. It's just weird xbox gamer's on here ignore that now! The specs are not that special to be 500$ The CPU is a jaguar and GPU is RX480 upclocked.

Microsoft boasted about the CPU calling it custom. Now we see third party 30 fps games. I thought the GPU was modified to do 4K native, again games are a lower resolution. It's not the upgrade MS promised. There is no denying xbox one x is the better console, but MS claims about the console are not real, least it seems that way right now.

We can talk about the xbox one x power,all day long. I can say right now the only system demonstrating first party power, is the PS4

I don't think you understand technology, xbox made a 4k gaming machine but said developers can do what they want with that power. No one has to dump all their eggs in the resolution basket or fps as there are tradeoffs for improving different types of visuals. It will essentially take what ps4 pro does and do that at true 4k. And several games show of some really good first party power, but M$'s games are designed entirely being the best visuals really, look at sea of theives and crackdown, its far more style over high fidelity graphics, and far more about gameplay. I actually don't really like very many sony top tier games because they are essentially partial cinematic stories told through a lot of scripted gameplay. And take a step back and realize even a 1080ti and up struggle with 4k depending on the fidelity of the assets used and the scale of the game.

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#78 ronvalencia
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@loe12k said:
@xhawk27 said:
@loe12k said:

MS reveal trailer. What the **** happened?

Are you a cow now? lol

How much power do you think you get for $500?

Microsoft advertised the console to be a 4K native machine. It's just weird xbox gamer's on here ignore that now! The specs are not that special to be 500$ The CPU is a jaguar and GPU is RX480 upclocked.

Microsoft boasted about the CPU calling it custom. Now we see third party 30 fps games. I thought the GPU was modified to do 4K native, again games are a lower resolution. It's not the upgrade MS promised. There is no denying xbox one x is the better console, but MS claims about the console are not real, least it seems that way right now.

We can talk about the xbox one x power,all day long. I can say right now the only system demonstrating first party power, is the PS4

"RX480 upclocked" is bullshit.