Microsoft's Shane Kim admits they have failed at online

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#1 MrBluRay003
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http://www.edge-online.com/news/shane-kim-talks-360-mmo-washouts

True Fantasy Live Online. Marvel Universe Online. They're two formerly high-profile games that were to be big MMOs on Xbox platforms, but they never came to fruition.

Shane Kim, former general manager of Microsoft Game Studios who's now a corporate VP, told Edge, "I'll admit MGS has not had success in the MMO space, and that happened under my leadership, so I take full responsibility. It's a tough and challenging space that's evolving all the time – a lot of shifting sands. We haven't been able to crack the code."

Microsoft was going to publish Marvel Universe Online as a first-party title, originally planned as an Xbox 360-to-PC cross-platform title. Rumors of the game's cancellation floated around for months before Microsoft officially confirmed that development was canned.

True Fantasy Live Online was an MMO in development for the original Xbox by RPG gurus Level-5, the Japanese company behind the Dark Cloud series. Complications led to the cancellation of that game as well.

Kim added, "Game development is hard enough as it is – in the MMO space you're talking an even bigger investment, basically double. So it does add that layer of complexity – we just haven't found that right mix.

"...I think we've made the right decision not to proceed with those things like the Marvel MMO. And that's tough, both for customers looking forward to it and teams working on it. That said, we haven't been successful, but there's nothing to say those titles can't be successful on 360."

South Korea-based MMO firm NCsoft has criticized Microsoft's Xbox Live service for being too closed for an MMO to work properly, and is currently developing MMOs for PS3. The lack of a standard hard drive is also a turnoff for Xbox 360 MMOs.

"There's a lot of ongoing work," Kim said. "I think those are real challenges, and I know that our third-party folks want to enable all kinds of content and we work very hard to create a stable and secure environment on Xbox 360 and that's where you see that tension. I'm sure we can solve that problem though in a way that is good for MMO developers and customers because we want that content: and we're getting very close. But we're late with that, and we feel bad about that."

For a massive feature with interviews from top Microsoft gaming execs, check out the latest issue of Edge, coming Thursday.

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#2 Tragic_Kingdom7
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Some MMO's got cancelled. How is that failing at online? Where did he admit this?

And if Microsoft is failing at online, where does that leave Sony? Double-failing at online? :?

The truth is neither have failed online. The truth is Xbox Live is a great service and PSN is a good service that improves all the time.

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#3 charomid
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this coming from someone who's name is "mrblueray" and is a level 1 with less than 20 posts. whatever you think in your little fanboy head, xbox live is infact better than psn. i have both systems and respectfully agree that live is better.
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#4 gamefreakomega
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MMOs, not online in general.

You're a tricky little fanboy.

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#5 II-FBIsniper-II
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Misleading topic is misleading.

He never said anything close to that.

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#6 MrBluRay003
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Sony has Sony Online Entertainment, which includes EverQuest and EverQuest 2.

So, how is Asheron's Call doing again? :D

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#7 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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If MS are failing then I don't even wanna know what Nintendo is doing.
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#8 Tragic_Kingdom7
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I wonder why I even post here sometimes. This topic just made my IQ drop about ten points. Good thing my IQ is 300.
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#9 mingo123
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yeh he is right that THEY (Sony) have failed at online

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#10 NinjaMunkey01
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Misleading topic is misleading.

He never said anything close to that.

II-FBIsniper-II

this.

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#11 Tragic_Kingdom7
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Sony has Sony Online Entertainment, which includes EverQuest and EverQuest 2.

So, how is Asheron's Call doing again? :D

MrBluRay003

Too bad EverQuest sucks.

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#12 MrBluRay003
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[QUOTE="MrBluRay003"]

Sony has Sony Online Entertainment, which includes EverQuest and EverQuest 2.

So, how is Asheron's Call doing again? :D

Tragic_Kingdom7

Too bad EverQuest sucks.

Nah, EverQuest is great.

Sony Online Entertainment is superior to Xbox Live in every way.

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IDK. 360 has quite a few MMO's coming up though, if none exclusive. (Champions Online, Age of Conan, APB, Huxley)
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#14 deactivated-5e7be39d87e0b
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And by 2 games getting canned, and the man responsible owning up the issue somehow causes XBL to be an utter failure?! This is why you shouldn't be allowed to post until you reach at least a Level 5.
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#15 EPaul
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Another Fakeboy has been born
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#16 -DrRobotnik-
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OLD. Plus the title of the topic is incorrect.
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#17 LibertySaint
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oh so 2 online games got cancelled they failed at online! LMAO, way to twist that, what aboyt age of conan coming begining of next year, champions online, apb, huxley, final fantasy 11 online, phantasy star online? all mmos all on 360.

Oh and btw i didn't list them all either.

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I love how the TC always twists the topic title to make the Xbox look worse than it is instead of actually coming up with a valid argument.

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#19 Tragic_Kingdom7
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Nah, EverQuest is great.MrBluRay003

If you're drunk, I'm sure it's very great.

Sony Online Entertainment is superior to Xbox Live in every way.

Why compare SOE to Xbox Live? Why not PSN?

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#20 tmatte
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For other threads by "MrBluRay", see:

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26572449

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26572455

Both of which are locked. In before the ban?

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[QUOTE="MrBluRay003"]

Sony has Sony Online Entertainment, which includes EverQuest and EverQuest 2.

So, how is Asheron's Call doing again? :D

Tragic_Kingdom7

Too bad EverQuest sucks.

Everquest was awesome, the best mmo i've ever played. But SoE ruined the game.

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#22 Ninja-Hippo
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He says theyve failed at MMOs, not online in general.
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thats so sad
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Some MMO's got cancelled. How is that failing at online? Where did he admit this?

And if Microsoft is failing at online, where does that leave Sony? Double-failing at online? :?

The truth is neither have failed online. The truth is Xbox Live is a great service and PSN is a good service that improves all the time.

Tragic_Kingdom7

Agreed.

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#25 MrBluRay003
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[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

Some MMO's got cancelled. How is that failing at online? Where did he admit this?

And if Microsoft is failing at online, where does that leave Sony? Double-failing at online? :?

The truth is neither have failed online. The truth is Xbox Live is a great service and PSN is a good service that improves all the time.

theycallmeryan

Agreed.

Nope, both suck compared to Playonline and Sony Online Entertainment.

If it's not massive multiplayer, it isn't really online.

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#26 Tragic_Kingdom7
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[QUOTE="theycallmeryan"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

Some MMO's got cancelled. How is that failing at online? Where did he admit this?

And if Microsoft is failing at online, where does that leave Sony? Double-failing at online? :?

The truth is neither have failed online. The truth is Xbox Live is a great service and PSN is a good service that improves all the time.

MrBluRay003

Agreed.

Nope, both suck compared to Playonline and Sony Online Entertainment.

If it's not massive multiplayer, it isn't really online.

Did it hurt when you pulled that out of your ass?

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I wonder why I even post here sometimes. This topic just made my IQ drop about ten points. Good thing my IQ is 300. Tragic_Kingdom7

Pics or it didnt happen !!

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[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]I wonder why I even post here sometimes. This topic just made my IQ drop about ten points. Good thing my IQ is 300. Snugenz

Pics or it didnt happen !!

Well, my IQ is still not at the level where I can figure out how to post a picture of it. :P

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Professional troll is professional.

What was your first account?

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[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]I wonder why I even post here sometimes. This topic just made my IQ drop about ten points. Good thing my IQ is 300. Tragic_Kingdom7

Pics or it didnt happen !!

Well, my IQ is still not at the level where I can figure out how to post a picture of it. :P

See all lies .. i smell fakeIQboy :P

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#31 Tragic_Kingdom7
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[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]I wonder why I even post here sometimes. This topic just made my IQ drop about ten points. Good thing my IQ is 300. Snugenz

Pics or it didnt happen !!

Well, my IQ is still not at the level where I can figure out how to post a picture of it. :P

See all lies .. i smell fakeIQboy :P

:lol:

Okay. You busted me.

My IQ is really only 295. :(

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#32 Snugenz
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[QUOTE="Snugenz"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]I wonder why I even post here sometimes. This topic just made my IQ drop about ten points. Good thing my IQ is 300. Tragic_Kingdom7

Pics or it didnt happen !!

Well, my IQ is still not at the level where I can figure out how to post a picture of it. :P

See all lies .. i smell fakeIQboy :P

:lol:

Okay. You busted me.

My IQ is really only 295. :(

Much better :D

Cookie for your honesty:lol:

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#33 VendettaRed07
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If MS are failing then I don't even wanna know what Nintendo is doing.Aljosa23

hah, there would be no word on how to describe that amount of failure, we would have to make up a new word

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#34 HuusAsking
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He says theyve failed at MMOs, not online in general.Ninja-Hippo
Here's a good question. Has any true console MMO ever worked? I think the closest we've ever come was the orignal Phantasy Star Online, and that was an instantiated MMO rather than a true MMO (IOW, closer to Guild Wars than to WoW).
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-_-; They're the best at online, even if they overcharge for it.