Miyamoto is something else

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"] I think a lot of gamers have this perception, that nintendo fans are just tapping into nostalgia. I am a fan of Nintendo and I can tell you that it isn't the case with me. They have the best game design out there, period. The problem is that they have been catering to the mainstream too much lately, making their games too easy and with a kiddy aesthetic. BUT, they oversee some projects by 2nd parties that don't have those bad qualities, like Xenoblade Chronicles and Eternal Darkness. RyanShazam

I don't sit there and enjoy a Zelda game because I liked Ocarina of Time. I sit there and enjoy a Zelda game because I like that game. If a Zelda game was bad, I wouldn't sit there and play it because I liked an older title.

Example: I didnt play Spirit Tracks because it didnt look like my cup of tea. Where the nostalgia on that one eh?

For example: I once had a discussion here about SMG2. People said it was the best game ever (or something close to it. I forget what exact words were used) according to the scores, and said it earned to be considered that. Now, I asked the simple question of what made it THAT good? What put it out in front of everything else to make it the best? No one could answer. The game was a great game, but the best answer I got from anyone after a while on the subject was that it was THAT good because it was THAT good. Which, of course is ridiculous. I suggested that nostalgia gave it that extra push, and was essentially pushed myself off the bridge. How dare I do that?

These games have an extra grandeur added to them that isn't earned on its own. The same thing happens with big sequels like Uncharted 3 or Gears of War 3. The difference is that it has such a long history, the nostalgia has built up to a level thats unreasonable. With that, comes unreasonable hype and belief in how good a game is. So long as the game doesn't derivate to far from what instills the nostalgia, the effect of the nostalgia will be positive, though it can backfire if it goes too far from the formula (looks at Metroid: Other M, and many Sonic games).

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"] If you can honestly say that nostalgia doesn't have something to do with it, then you really are lost. Think about it. Really think about what goes on in the mind when people perceive how good any game is. Do that, and then try to tell me nostalgia doesn't have anything to do with it. It's all over the place if you actually objectively break it down.lx_theo

I don't sit there and enjoy a Zelda game because I liked Ocarina of Time. I sit there and enjoy a Zelda game because I like that game. If a Zelda game was bad, I wouldn't sit there and play it because I liked an older title.

Example: I didnt play Spirit Tracks because it didnt look like my cup of tea. Where the nostalgia on that one eh?

For example: I once had a discussion here about SMG2. People said it was the best game ever (or something close to it. I forget what exact words were used) according to the scores, and said it earned to be considered that. Now, I asked the simple question of what made it THAT good? What put it out in front of everything else to make it the best? No one could answer. The game was a great game, but the best answer I got from anyone after a while on the subject was that it was THAT good because it was THAT good. Which, of course is ridiculous. I suggested that nostalgia gave it that extra push, and was essentially pushed myself off the bridge. How dare I do that?

These games have an extra grandeur added to them that isn't earned on its own. The same thing happens with big sequels like Uncharted 3 or Gears of War 3. The difference is that it has such a long history, the nostalgia has built up to a level thats unreasonable. With that, comes unreasonable hype and belief in how good a game is. So long as the game doesn't derivate to far from what instills the nostalgia, the effect of the nostalgia will be positive, though it can backfire if it goes too far from the formula (looks at Metroid: Other M, and many Sonic games).

No one could seriously defend why Super Mario Galaxy 2 can be considered the best 3d platformer ever made? Really? Most will say what pushes it above other well designed and sharp controlling platformers is the originality and creativity. You never do the same thing even remotely the same twice. You're wisked from one world which was over the top crazy to another world that is even crazier but in an entirely different way. There are more new ideas in this single game than the vast majority of new IPs this entire gen. It is the creativity and diversity of Galaxy 2 that merits its praise. It's not a nostalgia thing. Not for me anyways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWbXupRmBB this is an example of the brilliant level design in the game

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"] If you can honestly say that nostalgia doesn't have something to do with it, then you really are lost. Think about it. Really think about what goes on in the mind when people perceive how good any game is. Do that, and then try to tell me nostalgia doesn't have anything to do with it. It's all over the place if you actually objectively break it down.lx_theo

I don't sit there and enjoy a Zelda game because I liked Ocarina of Time. I sit there and enjoy a Zelda game because I like that game. If a Zelda game was bad, I wouldn't sit there and play it because I liked an older title.

Example: I didnt play Spirit Tracks because it didnt look like my cup of tea. Where the nostalgia on that one eh?

For example: I once had a discussion here about SMG2. People said it was the best game ever (or something close to it. I forget what exact words were used) according to the scores, and said it earned to be considered that. Now, I asked the simple question of what made it THAT good? What put it out in front of everything else to make it the best? No one could answer. The game was a great game, but the best answer I got from anyone after a while on the subject was that it was THAT good because it was THAT good. Which, of course is ridiculous. I suggested that nostalgia gave it that extra push, and was essentially pushed myself off the bridge. How dare I do that?

These games have an extra grandeur added to them that isn't earned on its own. The same thing happens with big sequels like Uncharted 3 or Gears of War 3. The difference is that it has such a long history, the nostalgia has built up to a level thats unreasonable. With that, comes unreasonable hype and belief in how good a game is. So long as the game doesn't derivate to far from what instills the nostalgia, the effect of the nostalgia will be positive, though it can backfire if it goes too far from the formula (looks at Metroid: Other M, and many Sonic games).

So are you pretty much saying Track Record = Nostalgia?

When a sequel comes out for a AAA franchise of course there is going to be mad hype for it. The game has every right to. I dont see why this is a problem.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

I don't sit there and enjoy a Zelda game because I liked Ocarina of Time. I sit there and enjoy a Zelda game because I like that game. If a Zelda game was bad, I wouldn't sit there and play it because I liked an older title.

Example: I didnt play Spirit Tracks because it didnt look like my cup of tea. Where the nostalgia on that one eh?

Pikminmaniac

For example: I once had a discussion here about SMG2. People said it was the best game ever (or something close to it. I forget what exact words were used) according to the scores, and said it earned to be considered that. Now, I asked the simple question of what made it THAT good? What put it out in front of everything else to make it the best? No one could answer. The game was a great game, but the best answer I got from anyone after a while on the subject was that it was THAT good because it was THAT good. Which, of course is ridiculous. I suggested that nostalgia gave it that extra push, and was essentially pushed myself off the bridge. How dare I do that?

These games have an extra grandeur added to them that isn't earned on its own. The same thing happens with big sequels like Uncharted 3 or Gears of War 3. The difference is that it has such a long history, the nostalgia has built up to a level thats unreasonable. With that, comes unreasonable hype and belief in how good a game is. So long as the game doesn't derivate to far from what instills the nostalgia, the effect of the nostalgia will be positive, though it can backfire if it goes too far from the formula (looks at Metroid: Other M, and many Sonic games).

No one could seriously defend why Super Mario Galaxy 2 can be considered the best 3d platformer ever made? Really? Most will say what pushes it above other well designed and sharp controlling platformers is the originality and creativity. You never do the same thing even remotely the same twice. You're wisked from one world which was over the top crazy to another world that is even crazier but in an entirely different way. There are more new ideas in this single game than the vast majority of new IPs this entire gen. It is the creativity and diversity of Galaxy 2 that merits its praise. It's not a nostalgia thing. Not for me anyways.

[link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWbXupRmBB]here is an example of the brilliant level and creative design[/link]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

I don't sit there and enjoy a Zelda game because I liked Ocarina of Time. I sit there and enjoy a Zelda game because I like that game. If a Zelda game was bad, I wouldn't sit there and play it because I liked an older title.

Example: I didnt play Spirit Tracks because it didnt look like my cup of tea. Where the nostalgia on that one eh?

RyanShazam

For example: I once had a discussion here about SMG2. People said it was the best game ever (or something close to it. I forget what exact words were used) according to the scores, and said it earned to be considered that. Now, I asked the simple question of what made it THAT good? What put it out in front of everything else to make it the best? No one could answer. The game was a great game, but the best answer I got from anyone after a while on the subject was that it was THAT good because it was THAT good. Which, of course is ridiculous. I suggested that nostalgia gave it that extra push, and was essentially pushed myself off the bridge. How dare I do that?

These games have an extra grandeur added to them that isn't earned on its own. The same thing happens with big sequels like Uncharted 3 or Gears of War 3. The difference is that it has such a long history, the nostalgia has built up to a level thats unreasonable. With that, comes unreasonable hype and belief in how good a game is. So long as the game doesn't derivate to far from what instills the nostalgia, the effect of the nostalgia will be positive, though it can backfire if it goes too far from the formula (looks at Metroid: Other M, and many Sonic games).

So are you pretty much saying Track Record = Nostalgia?

When a sequel comes out for a AAA franchise of course there is going to be mad hype for it. The game has every right to. I dont see why this is a problem.

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

He's unique in that a lot of his ideas don't stem from games themselves. This is a true rarity in game design these days.

turtlethetaffer

Yeah I reckon thats pretty cool. Also he doesn't make many games that try to be like movies

The only Nintendo game that can really even be CONSIDERED to be like a movie was Twilight Princess. Even then, not really. I never noticed that before, but that's something nobody gives Ninty credit for. They let the gameplay flow, and don't try to make it like a movie.

Yeah, and in result you get sweet joy and nostalgia at times. Much better than being TOLD to CARE about SOMEONE in Heavy rain or any of those games

Miyamoto is a god. But do be fair to all the other amazingly talented people at Nintendo :)locopatho

This just makes me feel bad now because whenever I discuss the awesomeness of the MGS series I always just refer to how Hideo Kojima is a GOD! :P

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"] I'm not saying that they aren't great games. I'm not going near there. But the general attitude on here that games like Zelda and Mario are the best things ever (or as close as people can get them to that) are because of that. People praise it left and right, like it can do no wrong. They can easily be great games objectively, but people treat it at a higher level than it really is.

For example: I once had a discussion here about SMG2. People said it was the best game ever (or something close to it. I forget what exact words were used) according to the scores, and said it earned to be considered that. Now, I asked the simple question of what made it THAT good? What put it out in front of everything else to make it the best? No one could answer. The game was a great game, but the best answer I got from anyone after a while on the subject was that it was THAT good because it was THAT good. Which, of course is ridiculous. I suggested that nostalgia gave it that extra push, and was essentially pushed myself off the bridge. How dare I do that?

These games have an extra grandeur added to them that isn't earned on its own. The same thing happens with big sequels like Uncharted 3 or Gears of War 3. The difference is that it has such a long history, the nostalgia has built up to a level thats unreasonable. With that, comes unreasonable hype and belief in how good a game is. So long as the game doesn't derivate to far from what instills the nostalgia, the effect of the nostalgia will be positive, though it can backfire if it goes too far from the formula (looks at Metroid: Other M, and many Sonic games).

lx_theo

So are you pretty much saying Track Record = Nostalgia?

When a sequel comes out for a AAA franchise of course there is going to be mad hype for it. The game has every right to. I dont see why this is a problem.

The reason Mario and Zelda games get way more hype is because they have been around for 25 years and Nintendo still manages to make new and refreshing games for them. EVERY main Mario and Zelda game turns out to be spectacular. How many other game series can compete with that?

he makes the same games over and over? or have wii standards really fallen so low?stereointegrity

Uhm...

Call of Duty 8

Uncharted 3

Gears of War 3

GTA 5

Ratchet and Clank 10

..and so on

Have ps3 and xbox standards fallen so low?

In conclusion, your point is null

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

So are you pretty much saying Track Record = Nostalgia?

When a sequel comes out for a AAA franchise of course there is going to be mad hype for it. The game has every right to. I dont see why this is a problem.

RyanShazam

The reason Mario and Zelda games get way more hype is because they have been around for 25 years and Nintendo still manages to make new and refreshing games for them. EVERY main Mario and Zelda game turns out to be spectacular. How many other game series can compete with that?

But apparently despite everything he's done, Steve Jobs was more important :roll:.HalcyonScarlet

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]But apparently despite everything he's done, Steve Jobs was more important :roll:.lx_theo

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]But apparently despite everything he's done, Steve Jobs was more important :roll:.lx_theo

In gaming? Yeah, Steve Jobs sure was a massive figure head in gaming for the last 20 - 25 years.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]But apparently despite everything he's done, Steve Jobs was more important :roll:.HalcyonScarlet

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="campzor"]he has a TEAM.campzor

What's your point?

No, they shouldn't. The team is important, but the design/idea comes from Miyamoto--at least the games he's more thoroughly involved in. Think of it like a director directing a film. The vision is his, brought to the masses through the help of numerous artists.

For Nintendo Miyamoto has done great.

But for gaming.. there are developers, even ones not so known that have done wonders for gaming and adding new elements that you see in ALL of the games today.

Zelda looks great for a Wii game, but average at best for a modern game :lol:

He is God. No other words need to be said.

As far as single developers go nothing tops Miyamoto, but Michel Ancel is someone I respect almost just as much

BEHOLD!!! The creator of Rayman, Rayman 2, Beyond Good and Evil, and Rayman Origins

RESPECT HIM!!!!!!!!

Pikminmaniac

is he smoking a pikmin pipe?

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

As far as single developers go nothing tops Miyamoto, but Michel Ancel is someone I respect almost just as much

BEHOLD!!! The creator of Rayman, Rayman 2, Beyond Good and Evil, and Rayman Origins

RESPECT HIM!!!!!!!!

BrunoBRS

is he smoking a pikmin pipe?

Nope... That's the bubble dreamer's pipe from Rayman Origins.

The secret to his success is that he makes games he finds fun to play and not what others demand him to do. Altho there were numerous occasions when he was forced to change his games (sometimes for the better).

He's deff. a game design genious.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

As far as single developers go nothing tops Miyamoto, but Michel Ancel is someone I respect almost just as much

BEHOLD!!! The creator of Rayman, Rayman 2, Beyond Good and Evil, and Rayman Origins

RESPECT HIM!!!!!!!!

Pikminmaniac

is he smoking a pikmin pipe?

Nope... That's the bubble dreamer's pipe from Rayman Origins.

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

What's your point?

Heirren

No, they shouldn't. The team is important, but the design/idea comes from Miyamoto--at least the games he's more thoroughly involved in. Think of it like a director directing a film. The vision is his, brought to the masses through the help of numerous artists.

Miyamoto is a child inside a man's body, that's what makes his games so great. He's able to take that feeling of magic and wonder that's so prevalent when a kid and translate it perfectly into his games. I'd love to meet him, I bet he's a blast to be around.

The worst and most overhyped Nintendo franchises were created from him. Other Nintendo franchises are better. Lol, I thought the NES would be an improvement from the 2600 10x and I had to wait to see that cause SMB and Zelda made me want to shoo the guy when they first came out.Aquaunitpatrol

The 2600 was my first console and I must say you have some wild memories of what the games looked like if SMB and Zelda didnt wow you right off the bat.

[QUOTE="Aquaunitpatrol"]The worst and most overhyped Nintendo franchises were created from him. Other Nintendo franchises are better. Lol, I thought the NES would be an improvement from the 2600 10x and I had to wait to see that cause SMB and Zelda made me want to shoo the guy when they first came out.sandbox3d

The 2600 was my first console and I must say you have some wild memories of what the games looked like if SMB and Zelda didnt wow you right off the bat.

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="Aquaunitpatrol"]The worst and most overhyped Nintendo franchises were created from him. Other Nintendo franchises are better. Lol, I thought the NES would be an improvement from the 2600 10x and I had to wait to see that cause SMB and Zelda made me want to shoo the guy when they first came out.BrunoBRS

The 2600 was my first console and I must say you have some wild memories of what the games looked like if SMB and Zelda didnt wow you right off the bat.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

The 2600 was my first console and I must say you have some wild memories of what the games looked like if SMB and Zelda didnt wow you right off the bat.

Aquaunitpatrol

anyway i guess i've proven my "don't take this guy seriously" point.

[QUOTE="Aquaunitpatrol"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] this is the guy that threw a tantrum when someone brought up that zelda came up with save batteries. don't take him too seriously.BrunoBRS

anyway i guess i've proven my "don't take this guy seriously" point.

I'm inclined to agree.

[QUOTE="Aquaunitpatrol"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] this is the guy that threw a tantrum when someone brought up that zelda came up with save batteries. don't take him too seriously.BrunoBRS

anyway i guess i've proven my "don't take this guy seriously" point.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]

[QUOTE="Aquaunitpatrol"] It had nothing t do with save batteries, it had to do that the OP said it made it in GENERAL which was wrong. You already lost that argument, you want to cry about it more then go ask a mod to ban you. Also, having no ack of the 2600 library just based off that comment makes you wrong in this post as well and make your entrance into this conversation invalid.Aquaunitpatrol

anyway i guess i've proven my "don't take this guy seriously" point.

i also have yet to see anyone in SW saying "mario is a platformer" or "you shoot things in CoD".

EDIT: lol at the second paragraph. sure.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]

[QUOTE="Aquaunitpatrol"] It had nothing t do with save batteries, it had to do that the OP said it made it in GENERAL which was wrong. You already lost that argument, you want to cry about it more then go ask a mod to ban you. Also, having no ack of the 2600 library just based off that comment makes you wrong in this post as well and make your entrance into this conversation invalid.Aquaunitpatrol

anyway i guess i've proven my "don't take this guy seriously" point.

[QUOTE="Aquaunitpatrol"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] lol.

anyway i guess i've proven my "don't take this guy seriously" point.

BrunoBRS

i also have yet to see anyone in SW saying "mario is a platformer" or "you shoot things in CoD".

EDIT: lol at the second paragraph. sure.

[QUOTE="Aquaunitpatrol"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] lol.anyway i guess i've proven my "don't take this guy seriously" point.bobcheeseball

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]

[QUOTE="Aquaunitpatrol"] I have yet to see anyone in SW saying "Zelda was the first game of all time to feature saving." Anyone? PC gamers? Console gamers? No? Bruno has no gaming expririence and probably hasn't played anything earlier then a Wii? Ok.Aquaunitpatrol

i also have yet to see anyone in SW saying "mario is a platformer" or "you shoot things in CoD".

EDIT: lol at the second paragraph. sure.

Zelda looks great for a Wii game, but average at best for a modern game :lol:

Peredith

The 11 100's and other really high scores above 90 disagree with you.

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

Zelda looks great for a Wii game, but average at best for a modern game :lol:

super600

The 11 100's and other really high scores above 90 disagree with you.

[QUOTE="Aquaunitpatrol"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] people don't go around stating the obvious. it's silly.i also have yet to see anyone in SW saying "mario is a platformer" or "you shoot things in CoD".EDIT: lol at the second paragraph. sure.BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]

is he smoking a pikmin pipe?

BrunoBRS

Nope... That's the bubble dreamer's pipe from Rayman Origins.

LOL Bruno, I have no idea where you're getting pikmin from this picture at all. It's a brilliant mind smoking a bubble pipe and there is a giant pink lizard with a chef's hat in the bubble.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

Zelda looks great for a Wii game, but average at best for a modern game :lol:

nintendoboy16

The 11 100's and other really high scores above 90 disagree with you.

Lol!I love when people use that to figure out a reason to why Ninty games like skyward sword are able to geta huge amount of praise.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="super600"]

The 11 100's and other really high scores above 90 disagree with you.

super600

Lol!I love when people use that to figure out a reason to why Ninty games like skyward sword are able to geta huge amount of praise.