Modern Warfare 2 destroyed Battlefield 3 (GameSpot, Metacritic, Sales)

Oh look,it's this thread again.MonsieurX

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"] There are still factors that indicate quality,like the ones you listed.Saying a reviewer is just a man's opinion is wrong.When a game has a terrible framerate or bad screentearing,it's factual.freedomfreak

Thank you for proving my point. Since thats what I just said. There are some facts in a review but very little. Most of it though is opinion.

The reason we have reviews is so publishers can bribe them and get you to buy dreadful games like killzone or Call of Duty. A reviewer is nothing more than a nerd with a keyboard. I wouldn't trust a single one of them outside of just a few I know and followed for a while. Until proven otherwise, they are all nothing more than corrupt nerds that rush through games on the easiest difficulty, google some flaws and write their review to get paid. Oh they also make sure they get a good enough bribe when they decide the score they want to make up for the game.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Those are quality judgments, which are inherently subjective and thus, opinion based.

TREAL_Since

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Thank you for proving my point. Since thats what I just said. There are some facts in a review but very little. Most of it though is opinion.

argetlam00

The reason we have reviews is so publishers can bribe them and get you to buy dreadful games like killzone or Call of Duty. A reviewer is nothing more than a nerd with a keyboard. I wouldn't trust a single one of them outside of just a few I know and followed for a while. Until proven otherwise, they are all nothing more than corrupt nerds that rush through games on the easiest difficulty, google some flaws and write their review to get paid. Oh they also make sure they get a good enough bribe when they decide the score they want to make up for the game.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"] There are still factors that indicate quality,like the ones you listed.Saying a reviewer is just a man's opinion is wrong.When a game has a terrible framerate or bad screentearing,it's factual.freedomfreak

Thank you for proving my point. Since thats what I just said. There are some facts in a review but very little. Most of it though is opinion.

No we have reviews to see what someone thought of a game. Also the little facts do help some of us like tech issues or balances issues or length. At least thats what I look for. Reviews arent a scale of qulaity its just some persons opinoin. You want to know the difference between someone telling you about a game and someone els who works on a site telling you about a game. The site person gets paid while the other doesint. Now you can ether agree or disagree with the reviews and thats about it.

HAHAH! Damn man thats cold!

TREAL_Since

Always makes me chuckle every time i remember about dear 'ol Morgan Ludgren (she's definitely related).

But for real now, some of the hate this franchise has attained is fully justifiable, you'd be needing to look at it from a blind eye to not aknowledge that. For example, i think you know in what state Black Ops was at launch for the PC, i know that someone even sued Activision because of that. Then there's the whole fiasco with MW2 being horribly unbalanced. Now we have MW3, which not only does it had a very low standard wen it comes to its visuals (using a horribly outdated engine in 2011), we also know that it wont support ranked dedicated servers. That's a low blow for PC gamers. And why milk it to kingdom come.

The *** don't they just put effort in makingthe definite Call of Duty with a brand new, beautiful engine, a ton of features, 40 - 50 well designed maps, and just add some significant DLC upon it once a year, aswell as holding a few special occasions such as a tournament once a year or something like that, with prizes, to keep it fresh and lovable. I would support that crap 'till i die.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"] Very little isn't what I would call it.Reviews are in indication of quality.There are reason why we have reviews.Why we rate them from worse to best.Qualityfreedomfreak

The reason we have reviews is so publishers can bribe them and get you to buy dreadful games like killzone or Call of Duty. A reviewer is nothing more than a nerd with a keyboard. I wouldn't trust a single one of them outside of just a few I know and followed for a while. Until proven otherwise, they are all nothing more than corrupt nerds that rush through games on the easiest difficulty, google some flaws and write their review to get paid. Oh they also make sure they get a good enough bribe when they decide the score they want to make up for the game.

Why not? We all know activision offers those all exclusive paid vacations for reviewers to enjoy before they review a Call of Duty game. Why would you think all of them dont attend it? What are they too rich to accept a free vacation? Most reviews are piss poor and aren't paid much at all. They love these events. Sure a reviewer can still flop a game even after that, but how many you think do? Its like spitting in a guys face after he helps you out.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"] Rubbish.A game like street cleaning simulator has worse production values than Uncharted 3.It doesn't come down to opinion.freedomfreak

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Thank you for proving my point. Since thats what I just said. There are some facts in a review but very little. Most of it though is opinion.

finalfantasy94

No we have reviews to see what someone thought of a game. Also the little facts do help some of us like tech issues or balances issues or length. At least thats what I look for. Reviews arent a scale of qulaity its just some persons opinoin. You want to know the difference between someone telling you about a game and someone els who works on a site telling you about a game. The site person gets paid while the other doesint. Thats it.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]True, but that's production values. Like budget. It can't really be argued. But if someone likes Street Cleaning Simulator more then, they are right. When it comes to liking something more, everyone is right :P. No one is wrong.

TREAL_Since

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"] I agree,but I am more inclined to buy a game that has great scores across the board rather than one that gets poor scores across the board.freedomfreak

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]Lol yeah. That's because our individual standards are more in line with what critics feel is a quality game :P. But out there, somewhere, there is probably someone who likes Bikini Samurai Squad more than Bayonetta :P.

TREAL_Since

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"] Very little isn't what I would call it.Reviews are in indication of quality.There are reason why we have reviews.Why we rate them from worse to best.Qualityfreedomfreak

No we have reviews to see what someone thought of a game. Also the little facts do help some of us like tech issues or balances issues or length. At least thats what I look for. Reviews arent a scale of qulaity its just some persons opinoin. You want to know the difference between someone telling you about a game and someone els who works on a site telling you about a game. The site person gets paid while the other doesint. Thats it.

I disagree. Heck mw2 scored way to high imo with its crap sp and unbalanced mp. If thats the prime of the genre then I have a different view on prime.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

No we have reviews to see what someone thought of a game. Also the little facts do help some of us like tech issues or balances issues or length. At least thats what I look for. Reviews arent a scale of qulaity its just some persons opinoin. You want to know the difference between someone telling you about a game and someone els who works on a site telling you about a game. The site person gets paid while the other doesint. Thats it.

finalfantasy94

I disagree. Heck mw2 scored way to high imo with its crap sp and unbalanced mp. If thats the prime of the genre then i weep for it.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"] A review isn't 100% opinion.A game with great production values,great gameplay mechanics and so on are rated high because they are quality.freedomfreak

Those are quality judgments, which are inherently subjective and thus, opinion based.

The judgment of those production values is an opinion, though.

The reason we have reviews is so publishers can bribe them and get you to buy dreadful games like killzone or Call of Duty. A reviewer is nothing more than a nerd with a keyboard. I wouldn't trust a single one of them outside of just a few I know and followed for a while. Until proven otherwise, they are all nothing more than corrupt nerds that rush through games on the easiest difficulty, google some flaws and write their review to get paid. Oh they also make sure they get a good enough bribe when they decide the score they want to make up for the game.

argetlam00

You forgot the bit where Activision and EA will go about systematically disemboweling anyone who dares give their games a negative review. Because that is a real thing that actually happens.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

HAHAH! Damn man thats cold!

Lucianu

Always makes me chuckle every time i remember about dear 'ol Morgan Ludgren (she's definitely related).

But for real now, some of the hate this franchise has attained is fully justifiable, you'd be needing to look at it from a blind eye to not aknowledge that. For example, i think you know in what state Black Ops was at launch for the PC, i know that someone even sued Activision because of that. Then there's the whole fiasco with MW2 being horribly unbalanced. Now we have MW3, which not only does it had a very low standard wen it comes to its visuals (using a horribly outdated engine in 2011), we also know that it wont support ranked dedicated servers. That's a low blow for PC gamers. And why milk it to kingdom come.

The *** don't they just put effort in makingthe definite Call of Duty with a brand new, beautiful engine, a ton of features, 40 - 50 well designed maps, and just add some significant DLC upon it once a year, aswell as holding a few special occasions such as a tournament once a year or something like that, with prizes, to keep it fresh and lovable. I would support that crap 'till i die.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Those are quality judgments, which are inherently subjective and thus, opinion based.

The_Game21x

The judgment of those production values is an opinion, though.

If you don't like MW3, don't buy it man. The rest of us CoD gamers will be blessed by entertainment unrivaled by anyone else in the world for this year, but still no one forced you to buy MW3 in the beginning, so no need to hate it blindly.GTAV2012

It ain't a hate post, SHREDDER, though you'll first need to know the difference between a hate post and a constructive post for you to know that it ain't a hate post (with time, you will, i wouldn't worry about it).

Not really, MW2 is pretty damn boring.soulitane

TC is correct, face it, BF didn't live up to its own hype lol, can't wait for MW3!! w00t!!Deniable_Ops

[QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]A can of problems opens when you say that. If you categorize COD as overrated only because its popular, then bundle Halo, Mario, and Star Craft with it.

freedomfreak

No, no, no. Read my post, I never say anything about my opinion on MW and I never even mention it being overrated. I was merely saying that review scores, sales, and the size of the community do not make a game good or bad.

They don't always equal qaulity, or production value, or whatever...Pokemon is one of the best selling franchises of all time and that game barely brings anything to the table.

What popularity does indicate, however, is that the game is certainly fun to play for a large number of people.

[QUOTE="Deniable_Ops"]TC is correct, face it, BF didn't live up to its own hype lol, can't wait for MW3!! w00t!!wis3boi

You seemed very upset spending like 10 minutes writing that post about CoD. Relax. Are you feeling threatened by the upcoming launch of MW3?GTAV2012

Pass me that psychic device that seems to detect what people feel / are thinking at any given time, once in a wile, i could use that to know what my father in law thinks about me.

to be fair both are rubbish.FPS need to die already or at least their overpopularity.Skyward Sword will mak both Battlefiled 3 and Modern Warfare 3 look like Atari games.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="Deniable_Ops"]TC is correct, face it, BF didn't live up to its own hype lol, can't wait for MW3!! w00t!!Doolz2024

to be fair both are rubbish.FPS need to die already or at least their overpopularity.Skyward Sword will mak both Battlefiled 3 and Modern Warfare 3 look like Atari games.

zeldisco2009

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"] it's sold well over 10 million copies already, hype and flopping is exclusive to this board. Get out of the system wars world once in a whilewis3boi

If you've got any legitimate proof that the game has indeed sold 10 million copies already, then feel free to post this information.

Why don't we all just wait until the first MW3 reviews get posted? These threads are getting really annoying.

to be fair both are rubbish.FPS need to die already or at least their overpopularity.Skyward Sword will mak both Battlefiled 3 and Modern Warfare 3 look like Atari games.

zeldisco2009

...WHAT???

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"] it's sold well over 10 million copies already, hype and flopping is exclusive to this board. Get out of the system wars world once in a whilewis3boi

Why don't we all just wait until the first MW3 reviews get posted? These threads are getting really annoying.

JohnnyWPSP

[QUOTE="Deniable_Ops"]TC is correct, face it, BF didn't live up to its own hype lol, can't wait for MW3!! w00t!!wis3boi

MW2 PC - 86

MW2 PC user score - 3.7

BF3 PC - 90

BF3 PC user score - 7.1

No. Dice did not comment on the sell-through number, only said "they were strong". So they know the number, but it's too low so they'll give us the shipped info. Stil, the sales don't matter (BF3 won't sell well anyway). The game still flopped in scores, because you guys can't honestly say it wasn't hyped AAA.GTAV2012

Stores can't keep up with demand =/= low sales numbers if 10 million have been shipped and they're still asking for more. EA would be the one to comment on the sales number, not DICE.

The game flopped here on Gamespot, we don't know about the rest. We all know Activision pays off reviewers and that's the only reason Modern Warfare 2 and Black Ops wern't torn a new one in the reviews for being such bad games.

Stil, the sales don't matter (BF3 won't sell well anyway). The game still flopped in scores, because you guys can't honestly say it wasn't hyped AAA.GTAV2012

Lol at zeldaiscool posts and the TC's OP. Stop hiding and reveal your true intentions Shred or CallofDutyXXX.I think the franchise deserves all the critcism being fired at it current.There are only a few things that interest me about MW3, but the rest of the game seems to rehash ideas from previous cod games or other franchises in the shooter genre like GeOW and Crysis.Why does it take me less then a day to figure out that you're shred always TC.

[QUOTE="GTAV2012"]Stil, the sales don't matter (BF3 won't sell well anyway). The game still flopped in scores, because you guys can't honestly say it wasn't hyped AAA.AvatarMan96

These bandodgers really aren't good at covering up the fact that they're bandodging.

[QUOTE="GTAV2012"]Stil, the sales don't matter (BF3 won't sell well anyway). The game still flopped in scores, because you guys can't honestly say it wasn't hyped AAA.AvatarMan96

It took me less then an hour to figurethat out yesterday.

[QUOTE="AvatarMan96"][QUOTE="GTAV2012"]Stil, the sales don't matter (BF3 won't sell well anyway). The game still flopped in scores, because you guys can't honestly say it wasn't hyped AAA.super600

It took me less then an hour to figurethat out yesterday.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="AvatarMan96"] If sales don't matter, then why do you always go on and on about how CoD is the best gaming series of all time because it sells the best? And by the way, it's nice to see you again, DANGEROUSLIQUID.GTAV2012

It took me less then an hour to figurethat out yesterday.

Then why did you call BF3 boring yesterday when I only know one person who would call the game boring.

Huh? I'm not who you think I am. MW3 will still be better than BF3.GTAV2012

Yes you are.

MW3 will be better than BF3....on the DS.

[QUOTE="GTAV2012"] Huh? I'm not who you think I am. MW3 will still be better than BF3.ChubbyGuy40

Yes you are.

MW3 will be better than BF3....on the DS.

[QUOTE="GTAV2012"][QUOTE="super600"]

It took me less then an hour to figurethat out yesterday.

super600

Then why did you call BF3 boring yesterday when I only know one person who would call the game boring.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="GTAV2012"] Huh? I'm not who you think I am. MW3 will still be better than BF3.GTAV2012

Then why did you call BF3 boring yesterday when I only know one person who would call the game boring.

Lol!Watch MW3 get below 90% on MC shred.I'm buying the console version of BF3 in a couple of months to support EA anyway.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="AvatarMan96"] If sales don't matter, then why do you always go on and on about how CoD is the best gaming series of all time because it sells the best? And by the way, it's nice to see you again, DANGEROUSLIQUID.GTAV2012

It took me less then an hour to figurethat out yesterday.

Only one person finds the game boring? Oh, you funny. Watch 40 % of the BF3 fanbase switch over to MW3.GTAV2012

[QUOTE="GTAV2012"][QUOTE="super600"]

Then why did you call BF3 boring yesterday when I only know one person who would call the game boring.

super600

Lol!Watch MW3 get below 90% on MC shred.I'm buying the console version of BF3 in a couple of months to support EA anyway.