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[QUOTE="Jamex1987"]
People do not pirate games because a dedicated server is missing. That just sounds foolish.
Flanker15
I wouldn't be so sure about that, I've heard plenty of people say they're going to pirate it for just that reason.
That's just their way of justifying the choice they made. They know if it had a server they would still choose the free route.[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"] But I dont think it will make Infinity Ward take any more steps to improve the next MW for PC, seems like to me they'd shoot a big fat middle finger back at the PC community and not even make a PC version. Dont get me wrong here, I think it's crap how IW screwed PC gamer's with MW2, but I dont think pirating it will improve anything down the road for PC gamers. I'm on the PC gamer's side here, I hope they get justice in the next game.N30F3N1XIW already had everything set up and working perfectly, but decided to throw it away and replace dedicated servers with consolish netcoding, knowing every competitive gaming clan with their own server would have used it exclusively for MW2 if they could, and ignored petitions that reached hundreds of thousands in less than a week, giving NO FRIGGIN EXCUSE whatsoever. Thinking they will take steps to improve the next PC game only by seeing poor sales is delusional. 4 millions middle fingers, however, will make them understand the heresy they have done. if the game had servers they would still get that 4 million middle fingers.
You could - and I'm goin' out on a real limb here - PLAY EACH OTHER. Just a thought.In the meantime, it's a perfect example of why it helps to have enforced skill matching in multiplayer. Overwhelmingly, the game I've spent the most time online with this year was Killzone 2, and a quick peek at my stats shows that I've racked up a whopping 8 hours (not a typo). If I end up on a server with people who have time to play that much in a week, there's really no point, and I'm stuck finding another server, or (more likely) just throwing in a single-player game instead. But hey, if pounding on guys who put in about a tenth the playtime sounds like fun, go nuts.lowe0We do play each other in PUGs. But thanks to the removal of dedicated servers, pugs just aren't very appealing anymore. I prefer dedicated servers over matchmaking, because people tend to sort themselves out.
Demi God came out and it was pirated to death which caused a lot of problems for those that bought it, I cannot remember what the justification was for that one. Jamex1987Demigod's crackbox netcode was a flipping joke! Thats the reason why they offered to refund many peoples' money.
Insufficient evidence. THe fact is, people claim to pirate for any number of different reasons. You don't know if they are being honest or not. If I were to pirate MW2, it would be for lack of dedicated server.sThe fact is people pirate games because they can get something for free and that is the only reason. People do not pirate games because a dedicated server is missing. That just sounds foolish
[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"] But I dont think it will make Infinity Ward take any more steps to improve the next MW for PC, seems like to me they'd shoot a big fat middle finger back at the PC community and not even make a PC version. Dont get me wrong here, I think it's crap how IW screwed PC gamer's with MW2, but I dont think pirating it will improve anything down the road for PC gamers. I'm on the PC gamer's side here, I hope they get justice in the next game.N30F3N1XIW already had everything set up and working perfectly, but decided to throw it away and replace dedicated servers with consolish netcoding, knowing every competitive gaming clan with their own server would have used it exclusively for MW2 if they could, and ignored petitions that reached hundreds of thousands in less than a week, giving NO FRIGGIN EXCUSE whatsoever. Thinking they will take steps to improve the next PC game only by seeing poor sales is delusional. 4 millions middle fingers, however, will make them understand the heresy they have done.
They removed dedicated servers so that people couldn't play it anymore when the next rehash comes out and they stop support for MW2, I guess they were mad that too many people were still playing CoD, CoD2 and the original MW as can be seen though xfire.
Also, many many people here are much more ignorant and gullible than I would have believed. You CAN NOT track how many times a torrent has been downloaded. The whole idea of 4.1 million pirated copies is a joke.
[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"][QUOTE="Brownesque"]I want to see Robby Kotick crying and lamenting the loss of his millions of dollars after his failed attempt at overzealous DRM protection. Pirates cut through this game's DRM like a hot knife through butter. Call it justice. Maybe the next game will have the features the community asked for. For those of you that think the PC market is small, think again. No, we're just irritable and easily deterred from purchasing inferior products.carljohnson3456Well said. It's too bad some people are too blind to realize you have to act if you want something done. Being passive accomplishes nothing. But pirating the game and playing it only shows that you actually do want to play it... just without paying for it. If it's such an inferior game, why would anybody even pirate it? If it's so inferior, it shouldnt even be worth playing.
Was there even a demo to try?
Well said. It's too bad some people are too blind to realize you have to act if you want something done. Being passive accomplishes nothing.[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"][QUOTE="Brownesque"]I want to see Robby Kotick crying and lamenting the loss of his millions of dollars after his failed attempt at overzealous DRM protection. Pirates cut through this game's DRM like a hot knife through butter. Call it justice. Maybe the next game will have the features the community asked for. For those of you that think the PC market is small, think again. No, we're just irritable and easily deterred from purchasing inferior products.Jamex1987
If the game had dedicated servers and every single option you guys are crying about it would still be pirated to death. I have never seen a group try so hard to justify Piracy. When it was Crysis they pirated it to see if their rig could handle it. Demi God came out and it was pirated to death which caused a lot of problems for those that bought it, I cannot remember what the justification was for that one. SF Iv came out and it got almost 2 million downloads...I'm sure they game didn't even sell 250,000 copies.
The fact is people pirate games because they can get something for free and that is the only reason. People do not pirate games because a dedicated server is missing. That just sounds foolish.
Not only does it have no dedicated servers, but no mods and it's more expensive then previous games... You need to informe yourself better buddy... Now all thoses reasons will make people pirate this game even more... I have COD4 and 5, well guess what, i'm not touching this game until it's 75% off.
The reason why it didnt sell good on Pc is because Most Pc gamers know when they are getting shafted unlike consolers. Consolers are use to these overhyped games that dont deliver and cheat you out of money. Pc gamers & community has higher standards. Between the games costing $10 more under a 3 hour SP, and an addon type of content MP fron Cod 4 its not worth it. Many people I know have stop playing MW2 because its alot like Cod4 which they get bored more easily. Some of them were like "why did I spend money on this"? I told them because you bought into the hype. 04dcarraher
Really? I overpayed GTA IV? Damn i knew i wasnt getting a good game for only $20
LOL I was right and so were many other ppl.. when the pre order rank on amazon of MW 2 fell from 9 to 70-something because of the boycott... many ppl were saying that when the numbers come out and the sales are low... they are going to blame it on piracy instead of all the pc gamers who decided not to buy it because of the no dedicated servers/console port/high price dilemma.. i swear does everyone have amnesia around here.. i say that cause before this game was launched there were dozens of dont buy/if not buying the game post threads.many pc gamers outright claiming that they wrent buying the game .. hell consoles gamers were making fun of pc gamers for complaining..
What do you expect from a washed down, lazy, stripped down port from a cocky, head in the sand developer? Also if any defenders of the PC version says 'OMG ITZ NOT A LAZY PORT IW CAREZ ABOUT U LOL.' Here's my proof they're lazy.
XBOX LIVE ON MAH PC? Its more likely than you think.
What do you expect from a washed down, lazy, stripped down port from a cocky, head in the sand developer? Also if any defenders of the PC version says 'OMG ITZ NOT A LAZY PORT IW CAREZ ABOUT U LOL.' Here's my proof they're lazy.
XBOX LIVE ON MAH PC? Its more likely than you think.
Vesica_Prime
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[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"][QUOTE="lowe0"] Please link to a quote from a IW staff member requesting that the game be pirated.lowe0*facepalm and exhausted sigh* Good, we've established that IW didn't actually authorize piracy. They offered a product. They didn't spit in anyone's face, they didn't take anything away from anyone, they didn't ask for MW2 to be pirated - they just offered a new product. Just because you don't like the features, or even the lack thereof compared to the previous product (which still works exactly like it did before MW2 was announced) doesn't mean they have it (piracy) coming to them. Don't try to wave the "oh, I'd NEVER condone piracy" banner while simultaneously saying they had it coming.
there are no feature to like. also because of the lack of dedicated servers hackers are running ramped in the game. If we had dedicated servers we could easly boot the hacker or ban his IP from the server. With this P2P junk we cant. Seriously why would anyone want a stripped down port? look at the pic above. i mean seriously come on. If that isnt lazy then i dont know what is. This is just like the time when a Need for Speed Game for the 360 started to connect to PSN. IW got lazy. Im happy it got pirated. IW is treating every PC gamer like a pirate and in result everyone pirated it. seems fair to me.
[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"][QUOTE="lowe0"] Good, we've established that IW didn't actually authorize piracy. They offered a product. They didn't spit in anyone's face, they didn't take anything away from anyone, they didn't ask for MW2 to be pirated - they just offered a new product. Just because you don't like the features, or even the lack thereof compared to the previous product (which still works exactly like it did before MW2 was announced) doesn't mean they have it (piracy) coming to them. Don't try to wave the "oh, I'd NEVER condone piracy" banner while simultaneously saying they had it coming. lowe0*facepalm and violent, uncontrollable laugh* Consolite mind at work here. The standard "dont like it, dont bother with it" response. Having to rely on that because you run out of arguments is pretty sad. Do you have an actual argument against "don't like it, don't bother with it"? If you don't think it's worth the money, don't buy it. Hell, tell other people not to buy it. But it doesn't justify taking their work without compensation.
Was there a demo to try it?
I think that even with dedicated servers the piracy number would be high. IMO the whole IW.net mess will not affect piracy all that much, it will however kill long term sales. So the effect of what IW did will be smaller sales, not bigger piracy
I think that even with dedicated servers the piracy number would be high. IMO the whole IW.net mess will not affect piracy all that much, it will however kill long term sales. So the effect of what IW did will be smaller sales, not bigger piracy
AdrianWerner
having dedicated servers would get rid of hackers. with p2p systems we cant boot players very easly. With dedicated servers a player can easly be voted out.
Why dont some of you face it that IW is just money crazy and gives you less for more money, Had two DLC's planed months before release, less features, crappy story, over the top hype and more of the same "core" gameplay that could have passed as an addon/expansion for Cod 4. Everyone I know who bought for 360 and Pc hardly play it after the first week or so because of short SP, MP not so different from Cod 4.04dcarraher
because its a thread to bash PC gaming. Regardless if its a good situation since MW2 isnt really worth the money. Console player should ask them self why they bought MW2 so much.
IMO Maybe If Modern Warfare 2 was a better game = That includes dedicated servers. Maybe people wouldn't pirate it because of the great multilayer BloodSeeker1337
bull****
it's a popular game, people would pirate it even if it would have the best MPever
we will see SC2 pirate numbers next year, I expect them to also be around 4 to 5 million
Fail, you cannot count the number of downloads and say that is how many sales were lost.
That said, excuse me if I don't shed a tear for a game that treated PC gamers like trash.
AnnoyedDragon
Couldnt have said it better myself. They did it to themselves.
[QUOTE="BloodSeeker1337"]IMO Maybe If Modern Warfare 2 was a better game = That includes dedicated servers. Maybe people wouldn't pirate it because of the great multilayer Enosh88
bull****
it's a popular game, people would pirate it even if it would have the best MPever
we will see SC2 pirate numbers next year, I expect them to also be around 4 to 5 million
While there focusing on the pirate department, does MW2 sell better then the first for PC?
honestly .. i bought COD4 because the MP rocked. I know a majority of my friends are playing on the pirated MP servers for MW2 and wow watching them play settled in stone that my reasons for not buying it were correct. Constant hacks, host migration ALL THE FRIGGEN TIME, and massive amounts of sporadic lag with a constant lag going on at all times. Just fire a shotgun and you can visibly see the difference between a shotgun fire and a shotgun hit, its noticable in milliseconds. And for those that say its only the pirated MP ... i have one friend who owns it and its identical all the way down to the rampant and unstopable hacking. I go back and play COD4 on my server and never have any issues with lag or hackers given my clan and I ban them as they come.And people here wonder why IW decides not to have dedicated servers on the PC etc... Nobody takes PC gaming seriously anymore.
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"As 2009 is slowly moving toward its end, we follow up our most pirated movies chart by taking a look at the most pirated games of the year. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is the absolute winner on the PC and Xbox 360, while New Super Mario Bros. scoops the title of most pirated Wii game of 2009."
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"With 4.1 million unauthorized downloads of the PC version alone, the game more than doubles the achievement of last year's 'winner' Spore. Modern Warfare 2 leads both the PC and Xbox 360 lists, by a landslide.
The overall trend across all platforms is that, unlike last year, all of the games are 2009 releases. What makes Modern Warfare 2's chart-topping even more impressive is that this has been achieved after just two months of availability. We further see that the figures for the most downloaded titles have more than doubled compared to last year, equaling the growth in uTorrent users.
PC games are by far the most downloaded titles, with on average more than three times the number of downloads compared to Xbox 360 and Wii releases. As expected, Mario titles are in high demand on the Wii.
The data for these lists is collected by TorrentFreak from several sources, including reports from all public BitTorrent trackers. All the data is carefully checked and possible inaccuracies are systematically corrected."
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PC gaming clearly is dying. If this is the future of it, then I don't see PC gaming making a profit or being a serious contender in gaming business in 2010 and forward --- >
ZAGAV3
The wrong way around. Nobody takes IW seriously anymore. second that. except add "worthwhile" to that statement. Nobody worthwhile takes IW seriously.[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]
And people here wonder why IW decides not to have dedicated servers on the PC etc... Nobody takes PC gaming seriously anymore.KungfuKitten
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