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#51 nintendo-4life
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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] GTA is a hardcore game? :|Truth_Hurts_U

Yes, GTA in general is hard core... Because it's rated M and the fact that not many people finish them.

.... why am i not sensing sarcasm? :?
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#52 ithilgore2006
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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] GTA is a hardcore game? :|Truth_Hurts_U

Yes, GTA in general is hard core... Because it's rated M and the fact that not many people finish them.

That's the requirements for a hardcore game? M rated and, for any reason, people don't finish it (including the possibility that it's too bad to finish)? The whole "hardcore" and "casual" gamers crap gets more ridiculous every day.
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#53 Truth_Hurts_U
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That's the requirements for a hardcore game? M rated and, for any reason, people don't finish it (including the possibility that it's too bad to finish)? The whole "hardcore" and "casual" gamers crap gets more ridiculous every day.ithilgore2006

Nah, it's real.

I don't see any grand mothers wanting to play this game or any parents letting their children play this. I can see men playing this. The ones that like gruesome drug soaked games. Kinda like me :P

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#54 Willy105
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Remember that the PS2/PSP market and the DS market are wildly different people. The PS2 and PSP were owned by teens and kids that loved the GTA games because of their content, while the DS is owned by the women and adults that said it should be banned last gen.
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#55 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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while the DS is owned by the women and adults that said it should be banned last gen.Willy105
no? The DS is owned by everyone. Gamers, casuals, moms, whatever.
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#56 Gnr_Helsing
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Such a great title too. U also got to put into consideration that a good portion of DS owners are children. They should just make a PS3/360/PC version.

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#57 Willy105
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[QUOTE="Willy105"]while the DS is owned by the women and adults that said it should be banned last gen.Jandurin
no? The DS is owned by everyone. Gamers, casuals, moms, whatever.

Except the teens that worry about their appearance.
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#58 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Willy105"]while the DS is owned by the women and adults that said it should be banned last gen.Willy105
no? The DS is owned by everyone. Gamers, casuals, moms, whatever.

Except the teens that worry about their appearance.

That doesn't make any sense. Why would someone worried about their appearance be buying game systems in the first place?
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#59 Mr_Matthews
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[QUOTE="manicfoot"]

For some reason it seems like a lot of GTA fans aren't buying it just because its 2D. In my group of gamers I'm the only one thats bought it and we're all big GTA fans. When I asked my friends why they're not interested in it they said stuff like "it feels like a step back" and "it was scaled down and gimped to run on DS." I much prefer GTA:CW to the PSP GTA's because it has a unique identity. Liberty/Vice City Stories were cool in their own way but they were exactly the same as the PS2 games and didn't feel fresh.

JLF1

That's the reason why I and a lot of my friends didn't buy it.

It is a step back. GTAIV was a living and breathing city, GTA:CW is not. I am well aware that it has a lot of the stuff GTAIV has but that doesn't change the fact that the game isn't the same experience as it's big brother. I don't play GTA game to enjoy the bad story the repetitive missions or the buggy AI. I enjoy GTA games for the Sandbox feel of driving around in a living city. That is something that the DS can not handle.

I'm not saying the game is bad because frankly the reviews state the opposite, it's a superb game. It's just not the game I want to play on the DS or the game I want GTA to be. It would be like having a 2D Gears game on the DS like Contra. It could be a kick-ass game and I would probably buy it but it would not be the game that most Gears fans want.

Well, obviously the DS version isn't going to be up to par with a game running on the PS3 and 360, but the Liberty City in Chinatown Wars is a "living, breathing city." Pedestrians have their own unique routines; you can follow them down the street and watch them talk to each other, hail cabs, buy food from street venders, or get in fights. The ambient noises are fantastic, from the general buzz of traffic to the scattered one-liners from the pedestrians. The game even uses day & night and alternating weather cycles. I was a little concerned myself that CW would be scaled-back and dumbed-down, but I found myself relieved and amazed at how much like the console GTA games Chinatown Wars is (except for the fine details, like buying clothes & what-not).

You shouldn't write this game off just because it's on the DS. It's certainly more robust than the original GTA games.

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#60 Willy105
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] no? The DS is owned by everyone. Gamers, casuals, moms, whatever.

Except the teens that worry about their appearance.

That doesn't make any sense. Why would someone worried about their appearance be buying game systems in the first place?

This isn't the 90's anymore. Walking around in Middle School with a PSP does in fact make you popular and cool.
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#61 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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Walking around in Middle School with a PSP does in fact make you popular and cool. Willy105
haha. Times really have changed. :P
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#62 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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I doubt Rockstar was expecting GTAIV numbers here. It would be nice to hear their reaction to the sales so far so that we can stop guessing.

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#63 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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[QUOTE="Willy105"]Walking around in Middle School with a PSP does in fact make you popular and cool. Jandurin
haha. Times really have changed. :P

PSP gets you the chicks, yo. :lol:

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#64 Truth_Hurts_U
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PSP gets you the chicks, yo. :lol:

Tsug_Ze_Wind

So a wad of cash and a car doesn't do that any more? :P

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#65 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

PSP gets you the chicks, yo. :lol:

Truth_Hurts_U

So a wad of cash and a car doesn't do that any more? :P

Old-school ways still work (and always will) :P
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#66 rgame1
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thats nod bad news
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#67 FILIPINOMAZTER
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people dont even know it exists, too bad its the best portable gta by far
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#68 Mckenna1845
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The reason its not selling well is because it wasn't advertised well, so a lot of people that would of bought it didn't know it was even out. I was talking to some friends the other day who are fans of grand theft auto and mentioned the game and they didn't even know the game existed, so they went out and got it that day XD.

Mike885

that is true for a gta game the advertising has been a shambles compared to gta4 and lost and the damned.

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#69 skrat_01
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Its a shame, deserves great sales. The game is fantastic, one of the best NDS games, let alone hand held games. Easily the best GTA on a hand held yet. And yes that is comparing it to the PSP stories series (and GB + GBA GTAs)
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#70 creativeminded
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Actually played the game at a friends house last week end and loved it. If i had a ds I would def get it. The old style is back and looks real smooth on the ds!
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#71 lebanese_boy
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guys its selling nearly at the same rate the second GTA on PSP sold

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The one that sold more then 3 million? Yeah sure :|.
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#72 JLF1
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[QUOTE="JLF1"]

[QUOTE="manicfoot"]

For some reason it seems like a lot of GTA fans aren't buying it just because its 2D. In my group of gamers I'm the only one thats bought it and we're all big GTA fans. When I asked my friends why they're not interested in it they said stuff like "it feels like a step back" and "it was scaled down and gimped to run on DS." I much prefer GTA:CW to the PSP GTA's because it has a unique identity. Liberty/Vice City Stories were cool in their own way but they were exactly the same as the PS2 games and didn't feel fresh.

nintendo-4life

That's the reason why I and a lot of my friends didn't buy it.

It is a step back. GTAIV was a living and breathing city, GTA:CW is not. I am well aware that it has a lot of the stuff GTAIV has but that doesn't change the fact that the game isn't the same experience as it's big brother. I don't play GTA game to enjoy the bad story the repetitive missions or the buggy AI. I enjoy GTA games for the Sandbox feel of driving around in a living city. That is something that the DS can not handle.

I'm not saying the game is bad because frankly the reviews state the opposite, it's a superb game. It's just not the game I want to play on the DS or the game I want GTA to be. It would be like having a 2D Gears game on the DS like Contra. It could be a kick-ass game and I would probably buy it but it would not be the game that most Gears fans want.

did you play the game?

No I haven't but I don't need to play to know it's not the game want. If you want Mario Galaxy then New Super Mario Bros isn't going to satisfy you.

I know it's a quality game but that doesn't matter if I'm not interested in it.

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#73 JLF1
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Well, obviously the DS version isn't going to be up to par with a game running on the PS3 and 360, but the Liberty City in Chinatown Wars is a "living, breathing city." Pedestrians have their own unique routines; you can follow them down the street and watch them talk to each other, hail cabs, buy food from street venders, or get in fights. The ambient noises are fantastic, from the general buzz of traffic to the scattered one-liners from the pedestrians. The game even uses day & night and alternating weather cycles. I was a little concerned myself that CW would be scaled-back and dumbed-down, but I found myself relieved and amazed at how much like the console GTA games Chinatown Wars is (except for the fine details, like buying clothes & what-not).

You shouldn't write this game off just because it's on the DS. It's certainly more robust than the original GTA games.

Mr_Matthews

The thing is, this is one of those times were graphics matter for me. GTAIV looked a felt like a real city. GTA:CW will not no matter what is actually in it and graphics is a huge part of it. You can call me a graphics whore if you want but that won't chance me mind. It's not scaled down in what you can do but it is scaled down in what you can see.

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#74 HuusAsking
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For some reason it seems like a lot of GTA fans aren't buying it just because its 2D. In my group of gamers I'm the only one thats bought it and we're all big GTA fans. When I asked my friends why they're not interested in it they said stuff like "it feels like a step back" and "it was scaled down and gimped to run on DS." I much prefer GTA:CW to the PSP GTA's because it has a unique identity. Liberty/Vice City Stories were cool in their own way but they were exactly the same as the PS2 games and didn't feel fresh.

manicfoot
Um...you do know they came out on the PSP first. Only later did they jump to the PS2.
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[QUOTE="Mike885"]

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]

http://kotaku.com/5259924/grand-theft-auto-chinatown-wars-second-month-sales-drop-in-npd+pds

This is going from bad-to worse.GTA:Chinatown Wars sales dropped by about 15,000 unites from last month. Why won't this game sell well:(

The reason its not selling well is because it wasn't advertised well, so a lot of people that would of bought it didn't know it was even out. I was talking to some friends the other day who are fans of grand theft auto and mentioned the game and they didn't even know the game existed, so they went out and got it that day XD.

It had plenty of advertising. I myself can attest to being assaulted with them for 2 weeks straight on their target channels. Even my brother knew about it and he is'nt even that into gaming, nor does he have a DS.
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#76 darthogre
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Im buying it this weekend. Only problem is I dont have a DS..

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Sad that they have to count on people who don't own the DS to buy the game lol.
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#77 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] no? The DS is owned by everyone. Gamers, casuals, moms, whatever.Jandurin
Except the teens that worry about their appearance.

That doesn't make any sense. Why would someone worried about their appearance be buying game systems in the first place?

the same kids who buy their psp just to show it off to their friends at school.

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#78 Lionheart08
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[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

Looks like R* won't be making anymore GTAs for the DS.

thelastguy

Thats what I was thinking

It was worth a try though

Oh yeah, I'm impressed that R* managed to deliver on the DS too. :P

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#79 Lionheart08
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That doesn't make any sense. Why would someone worried about their appearance be buying game systems in the first place?Jandurin

I know it sounds silly, but you really don't see teenagers playing DSs in public. Back when I was in highschool, I saw people with PSPs all the time but I never saw anyone with a DS. It doesn't mean they didn't own one, they just didn't play it in public.

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#80 Willy105
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[QUOTE="manicfoot"]

For some reason it seems like a lot of GTA fans aren't buying it just because its 2D. In my group of gamers I'm the only one thats bought it and we're all big GTA fans. When I asked my friends why they're not interested in it they said stuff like "it feels like a step back" and "it was scaled down and gimped to run on DS." I much prefer GTA:CW to the PSP GTA's because it has a unique identity. Liberty/Vice City Stories were cool in their own way but they were exactly the same as the PS2 games and didn't feel fresh.

HuusAsking
Um...you do know they came out on the PSP first. Only later did they jump to the PS2.

You see, the PSP games are remakes of the PS2 games. Then the PSP remakes were ported to PS2, because the PSP games had new content and stories.
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#81 ogvampire
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hm... it sold very little the first month... thats true, but on the bright side, its drop-off rate was tiny.

most games have a big drop-off from their first month.

examples:

RE5 sold almost 1 million units the first month on the 360 alone, last month (its 2nd month) it sold less than 200k

Pokeman plat sold 805k units in march, but only 430k in april

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#82 lebanese_boy
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[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="manicfoot"]

For some reason it seems like a lot of GTA fans aren't buying it just because its 2D. In my group of gamers I'm the only one thats bought it and we're all big GTA fans. When I asked my friends why they're not interested in it they said stuff like "it feels like a step back" and "it was scaled down and gimped to run on DS." I much prefer GTA:CW to the PSP GTA's because it has a unique identity. Liberty/Vice City Stories were cool in their own way but they were exactly the same as the PS2 games and didn't feel fresh.

Willy105
Um...you do know they came out on the PSP first. Only later did they jump to the PS2.

You see, the PSP games are remakes of the PS2 games. Then the PSP remakes were ported to PS2, because the PSP games had new content and stories.

Wrong, the PSP games are original entries to the series. Not remakes.
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#84 TheGreatOutdoor
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[QUOTE="TheGreatOutdoor"]

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]

http://kotaku.com/5259924/grand-theft-auto-chinatown-wars-second-month-sales-drop-in-npd+pds

This is going from bad-to worse.GTA:Chinatown Wars sales dropped by about 15,000 unites from last month. Why won't this game sell well:(

dethroned3

I plan on getting this game, so add 1 to those sales. :P

hmmm... seems like the casuals dont like 'hardcore games' very much.

What was your point in quoting me to say that? You couldn't have said that without quoting me. :? :shock:

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#85 Screamteam411
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I really still can't see why anyone is surprised that Chinatown Wars didn't sell as well as people expected. The way I see it, there are three major reasons: 1) The game was never advertised. I never saw anything about the game outside of GameSpot, IGN, and Kotaku, personally. 2) It's an M-rated game on the DS. You have all seen what kind of games sell millions of copies on the DS. They're not the M-rated kind. 3) Hate to say it, but a lot of people probably pirated this game, despite its "piracy protection"
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#86 lebanese_boy
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[QUOTE="Screamteam411"]I really still can't see why anyone is surprised that Chinatown Wars didn't sell as well as people expected. The way I see it, there are three major reasons: 1) The game was never advertised. I never saw anything about the game outside of GameSpot, IGN, and Kotaku, personally. 2) It's an M-rated game on the DS. You have all seen what kind of games sell millions of copies on the DS. They're not the M-rated kind. 3) Hate to say it, but a lot of people probably pirated this game, despite its "piracy protection"

Piracy protection? What do you mean?
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#87 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="Willy105"]Walking around in Middle School with a PSP does in fact make you popular and cool. Jandurin
haha. Times really have changed. :P

Actually I've heard the DS isn't uncool...
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#88 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

That's the reason why I and a lot of my friends didn't buy it.

It is a step back. GTAIV was a living and breathing city, GTA:CW is not. I am well aware that it has a lot of the stuff GTAIV has but that doesn't change the fact that the game isn't the same experience as it's big brother. I don't play GTA game to enjoy the bad story the repetitive missions or the buggy AI. I enjoy GTA games for the Sandbox feel of driving around in a living city. That is something that the DS can not handle.

I'm not saying the game is bad because frankly the reviews state the opposite, it's a superb game. It's just not the game I want to play on the DS or the game I want GTA to be. It would be like having a 2D Gears game on the DS like Contra. It could be a kick-ass game and I would probably buy it but it would not be the game that most Gears fans want.

JLF1

did you play the game?

No I haven't but I don't need to play to know it's not the game want. If you want Mario Galaxy then New Super Mario Bros isn't going to satisfy you.

I know it's a quality game but that doesn't matter if I'm not interested in it.

All of your assumptions about the "breathing world" are completely wrong... It is in actuality a real GTA game that's not dumbed down at all. IT's not top down either, it's 3/4 view with a 3D world.

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#89 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]That doesn't make any sense. Why would someone worried about their appearance be buying game systems in the first place?Lionheart08

I know it sounds silly, but you really don't see teenagers playing DSs in public. Back when I was in highschool, I saw people with PSPs all the time but I never saw anyone with a DS. It doesn't mean they didn't own one, they just didn't play it in public.

IANAE, but I suspect the "Mario effect" or something of the like. Nothing on the PSP could be construed as being overly cute or kid-oriented, whereas with the DS...it's got a bit of a stigma to it, I think. Things with a negative image make you stick out more than something with a positive image makes you look cool (IOW, you have to work to be cool; whereas you can become a geek without even trying).
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Best GTA game since Vice City
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#91 DontBeHatin1983
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http://kotaku.com/5259924/grand-theft-auto-chinatown-wars-second-month-sales-drop-in-npd+pds

This is going from bad-to worse.GTA:Chinatown Wars sales dropped by about 15,000 unites from last month. Why won't this game sell well:(

clubsammich91

thay should bring it to the psp GTA games on the psp did good

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#92 Menalque2
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Despite owning a DS, I really see no compelling reason to buy this game.

It seems pretty well made so it would be a shame for it to flop, but I doubt Rockstar are gritting their teeth over it having made enough money on GTAIV to write off the national debt of every county in sub-Saharan Africa.

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Despite owning a DS, I really see no compelling reason to buy this game.

It seems pretty well made so it would be a shame for it to flop, but I doubt Rockstar are gritting their teeth over it having made enough money on GTAIV to write off the national debt of every county in sub-Saharan Africa.

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You're doing yourself a disservice. A game based on the Drug dealing aspect alone is worth $30. This game is the best value currently on the DS
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#94 intro94
Member since 2006 • 2623 Posts

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]

http://kotaku.com/5259924/grand-theft-auto-chinatown-wars-second-month-sales-drop-in-npd+pds

This is going from bad-to worse.GTA:Chinatown Wars sales dropped by about 15,000 unites from last month. Why won't this game sell well:(

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thay should bring it to the psp GTA games on the psp did good

not really better actually
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#95 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="JLF1"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] did you play the game?

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No I haven't but I don't need to play to know it's not the game want. If you want Mario Galaxy then New Super Mario Bros isn't going to satisfy you.

I know it's a quality game but that doesn't matter if I'm not interested in it.

All of your assumptions about the "breathing world" are completely wrong... It is in actuality a real GTA game that's not dumbed down at all. IT's not top down either, it's 3/4 view with a 3D world.

Exactly. It is in no way "a step back", in fact it adds features that have never been in a GTA game before. So many people are judging it, wrongly too I might add, without playing it or giving it a chance. Seeing that more and more these days on SW sadly.