Owns the Cheap Ass Gamer site. Seems the resolution stuff is looking to be true.
I don't know about the other rumours though, it's too mental at the moment. Add a problem with the authentication patch on launch to a list of potential problems. It seems there's certainly something stopping some reviewers from playing X1 games enough to review.
F' it i'm off to bed, there's too much crazy stuff and speculation going on.
Dave is pretty solid on gaming information. I guess these rumors are true.
Don't know why people are making such a big deal about it though. If Xbox One games continue being 720p into summer I'd start getting concerned. Multiplatgen games rushed out for launch? Eh. Look at Ryse and you'll see you can make pretty games 900p at least.
Apparently there's more bad (worse) news brewing though, according to the buttocks. I'm more interested in whatever that could be. Sounds like it could be a proper bomb. Buttocks is reluctant to drop it for some reason.
Don't know why people are making such a big deal about it though. If Xbox One games continue being 720p into summer I'd start getting concerned. Multiplatgen games rushed out for launch? Eh.
Look at Ryse and you'll see you can make pretty games 900p at least.
Apparently there's more bad (worse) news brewing though, according to the buttocks.
I'm more interested in whatever that could be. Sounds like it could be a proper bomb. CBOAT is reluctant to share it publicly for some reason.
I don't think people would have been too pissed if M$ was forthcoming about the resolution differences. It's the fact that they are trying to hide it with embargoes that is causing people to get really agitated. They somehow think that if they wait until 10 days before the console launches people won't have time to cancel their preorders. That's a dumb idea and this news was bound to leak. Also the fact that the XB1 costs $500 at launch basically meaning you're paying $100 extra to play games at half the resolution. I'd be pissed right now if I had an XB1 preordered.
Don't know why people are making such a big deal about it though. If Xbox One games continue being 720p into summer I'd start getting concerned. Multiplatgen games rushed out for launch? Eh.
Look at Ryse and you'll see you can make pretty games 900p at least.
Apparently there's more bad (worse) news brewing though, according to the buttocks.
I'm more interested in whatever that could be. Sounds like it could be a proper bomb. CBOAT is reluctant to share it publicly for some reason.
I wish he would just spread the cheeks already and rain that truth on everybody.
It doesn't help you have bishop on neogaf just coaxing this shit on, combine that with major reviewers both present and ex, I foresee alot of happy ignorance coming the way of the xbones fanbase.
Don't know why people are making such a big deal about it though. If Xbox One games continue being 720p into summer I'd start getting concerned. Multiplatgen games rushed out for launch? Eh.
Look at Ryse and you'll see you can make pretty games 900p at least.
Apparently there's more bad (worse) news brewing though, according to the buttocks.
I'm more interested in whatever that could be. Sounds like it could be a proper bomb. CBOAT is reluctant to share it publicly for some reason.
I don't think people would have been too pissed if M$ was forthcoming about the resolution differences. It's the fact that they are trying to hide it with embargoes that is causing people to get really agitated. They somehow think that if they wait until 10 days before the console launches people won't have time to cancel their preorders. That's a dumb idea and this news was bound to leak. Also the fact that the XB1 costs $500 at launch basically meaning you're paying $100 extra to play games at half the resolution. I'd be pissed right now if I had an XB1 preordered.
So wait a minute. When PS3 had a multiplat less than 360, it was lazy devs. Forza 5 runs 1080p, so obviously the console can do 1080p. Why isn't it lazy devs now, cows?
So wait a minute. When PS3 had a multiplat less than 360, it was lazy devs. Forza 5 runs 1080p, so obviously the console can do 1080p. Why isn't it lazy devs now, cows?
Even in the PS3's early years, the differences between the 360 and PS3 multiplats weren't staggeringly high.
i don't think the casual gamer cares if it's 720p or 1080p, BO2 was sub HD and it sold millions.
the question here is if the X1 is capable of 1080p or the consle is hard to develop for because of the ESRAM?
I think the thing to keep in mind here is that 720p vs 1080p is a very easy to spot leap, whereas 720[ vs 640p or the like isn't anywhere near as close.
But I can see alot of dudebro's not caring due to their friends all using live, etc.
I remember he was the father of the whole secret sauce crap for the xbox one..hahaha
Blackace,Ronvalencia,Stormy Joe,and several other lemmings are officially on suicide watch please lets contact them or any family members to see that they are alright.
So once again i was right,the xbox one to keep up frame wise with the PS4 would have to give resolution up and probably detail to,720p vs 1080p is a huge blow even more,if the accepts also took a hit,those 660Gflops and tons of comparisons i did pay off.
But but ESRAM,but but jit compresion,but but 15 separate processors,but but the audio chip....hahaha
So wait a minute. When PS3 had a multiplat less than 360, it was lazy devs. Forza 5 runs 1080p, so obviously the console can do 1080p. Why isn't it lazy devs now, cows?
Your tears are delicious son.
Paying $500 to do 720p in COD in 2013.......just lol.
Jeff Gertsmann had this to say regarding the ps4 and x1.
If it were purely an objective matter then there wouldn’t be anything to argue about. The PlayStation 4 is a more powerful console. The specs seem to say that fairly clearly and I’ve talked to enough developers that have backed that up after spending time with both. But many of them have also said that the way this will translate into shipping products will be pretty insignificant.
So at some point people are arguing if a resolution difference is significant or not. Up-close on a PC monitor there’s no contest, it’s a big deal. At distance on a TV? Probably less so. They’re also assuming that’s the only actual difference between two versions of a given game, of course.
So yeah, it’s fun to drive by and laugh at the unreleased console because it “can’t handle” higher resolutions, I guess. But I already have enough shit going on in my life, adding a bunch of speculative forum drama to the mix just isn’t on my list. If the games come out and look markedly different to the naked eye due to these reasons, then we can start cracking a billion jokes and funning it up, OK? Until then it’s just people sort of shouting numbers back and forth at each other as if that’s the only thing that matters.
I think that not only is the PS4 more powerful than the Xbone, it's also far more efficient.
There have been confirmation from devs that they are able to extract 172 GB/s out of the GDDR5 RAM in real-world scenarios. It's likely that PS4's efficiency rate is around 99%.
The Xbone, on the other hand, has an efficiency rate of around 50%. Only 50% of its theoretical power will be utilized. That's why we're seeing such huge differences.
So wait a minute. When PS3 had a multiplat less than 360, it was lazy devs. Forza 5 runs 1080p, so obviously the console can do 1080p. Why isn't it lazy devs now, cows?
Even in the PS3's early years, the differences between the 360 and PS3 multiplats weren't staggeringly high.
Doesn't answer the point of the question. If first party devs can get a game 1080p, and 3rd party cant, like last gen, when 360 had edge in a few multiplat games, and cows said it was lazy devs. Why isn't it the devs this time? Why is it the console manufacturer?
So wait a minute. When PS3 had a multiplat less than 360, it was lazy devs. Forza 5 runs 1080p, so obviously the console can do 1080p. Why isn't it lazy devs now, cows?
Even in the PS3's early years, the differences between the 360 and PS3 multiplats weren't staggeringly high.
Doesn't answer the point of the question. If first party devs can get a game 1080p, and 3rd party cant, like last gen, when 360 had edge in a few multiplat games, and cows said it was lazy devs. Why isn't it the devs this time? Why is it the console manufacturer?
Some guy.? there are several sources confirming this..lol
Wow lemming damage controls is astronomical,we all remember how,the weak specs,no used games,online need it and kinect included rumors ended,all confirmed despite lemming refusal to believe it.
So wait a minute. When PS3 had a multiplat less than 360, it was lazy devs. Forza 5 runs 1080p, so obviously the console can do 1080p. Why isn't it lazy devs now, cows?
Even in the PS3's early years, the differences between the 360 and PS3 multiplats weren't staggeringly high.
Doesn't answer the point of the question. If first party devs can get a game 1080p, and 3rd party cant, like last gen, when 360 had edge in a few multiplat games, and cows said it was lazy devs. Why isn't it the devs this time? Why is it the console manufacturer?
Because the PS3 had more raw power than the 360 for one. The power was there to be accessed. Plenty of devs managed to provide equal ports but there was a handful that put out really sub par PS3 versions.
Fast forward and we've got the Xbone with the weaker specs, rumours MS have provided weak drivers and as it now seems it's multiple devs who can't get equal versions. If BF4 isn't the same as rumoured then that's a big one imo. They've got quality devs behind that game, top graphics on PC, know their tech and provided good multiplats last gen. If even the quality devs are struggling how can you put the blame there? Even a graphically strong dev like Crytek have gone 900p and 30fps (iirc) on Xbone.
Some guy.? there are several sources confirming this..lol
Wow lemming damage controls is astronomical,we all remember how,the weak specs,no used games,online need it and kinect included rumors ended,all confirmed despite lemming refusal to believe it.
He'll keep on denying it even after Activision comes out and admits it. Reminds me of lems hyping dGPU even after MS confirmed there wasn't any dGPU secret sauce.
So wait a minute. When PS3 had a multiplat less than 360, it was lazy devs. Forza 5 runs 1080p, so obviously the console can do 1080p. Why isn't it lazy devs now, cows?
Your tears are delicious son.
Paying $500 to do 720p in COD in 2013.......just lol.
All good, glad I can help. Why not answer the question?
I remember he was the father of the whole secret sauce crap for the xbox one..hahaha
Blackace,Ronvalencia,Stormy Joe,and several other lemmings are officially on suicide watch please lets contact them or any family members to see that they are alright.
So once again i was right,the xbox one to keep up frame wise with the PS4 would have to give resolution up and probably detail to,720p vs 1080p is a huge blow even more,if the accepts also took a hit,those 660Gflops and tons of comparisons i did pay off.
But but ESRAM,but but jit compresion,but but 15 separate processors,but but the audio chip....hahaha
Tormentos' memory bandwidth math calculation stupidity.
X1 can add memory bandwidth since it has two memory pools (think of L-shaped/asymmetric multi-memory controllers) while PS4 has a single memory pool with symmetric multi-memory controllers. LOL
I haven't posted any Xbox One running resolution.
Xbox One has other issues besides 16 ROPs or the bandwidth issue from 32 MB ESRAM.
Some guy.? there are several sources confirming this..lol
Wow lemming damage controls is astronomical,we all remember how,the weak specs,no used games,online need it and kinect included rumors ended,all confirmed despite lemming refusal to believe it.
He'll keep on denying it even after Activision comes out and admits it. Reminds me of lems hyping dGPU even after MS confirmed there wasn't any dGPU secret sauce.
I present Infinity Ward and you present a guy who used to work for IGN who is currently trolling Major Nelson on Twitter?
Come on guy, I even said "official conformation or nothing".... Activision would equate to "official conformation"
So wait a minute. When PS3 had a multiplat less than 360, it was lazy devs. Forza 5 runs 1080p, so obviously the console can do 1080p. Why isn't it lazy devs now, cows?
Even in the PS3's early years, the differences between the 360 and PS3 multiplats weren't staggeringly high.
Doesn't answer the point of the question. If first party devs can get a game 1080p, and 3rd party cant, like last gen, when 360 had edge in a few multiplat games, and cows said it was lazy devs. Why isn't it the devs this time? Why is it the console manufacturer?
Because the PS3 had more raw power than the 360 for one. The power was there to be accessed. Plenty of devs managed to provide equal ports but there was a handful that put out really sub par PS3 versions.
Fast forward and we've got the Xbone with the weaker specs, rumours MS have provided weak drivers and as it now seems it's multiple devs who can't get equal versions. If BF4 isn't the same as rumoured then that's a big one imo. They've got quality devs behind that game, top graphics on PC, know their tech and provided good multiplats last gen. If even the quality devs are struggling how can you put the blame there? Even a graphically strong dev like Crytek have gone 900p and 30fps (iirc) on Xbone.
So where was the raw power advantage? 360 had the better GPU, you know what everyone is going crazy over this time? And again, Forza 5 is 1080p, so it can do it. If devs other than turn 10 aren't getting it, why isn't it the devs like with PS3? One I nothing is confirmed, its all forum talk at this point, two, it doesn't really matter, three its more hypocrite talk from cows.
I think that not only is the PS4 more powerful than the Xbone, it's also far more efficient.
There have been confirmation from devs that they are able to extract 172 GB/s out of the GDDR5 RAM in real-world scenarios. It's likely that PS4's efficiency rate is around 99%.
The Xbone, on the other hand, has an efficiency rate of around 50%. Only 50% of its theoretical power will be utilized. That's why we're seeing such huge differences.
Where does says "they are able to extract 172 GB/s" from link http://www.psu.com/a020475/ ?
"It means we don’t have to worry so much about stuff, the fact that the memory operates at around 172GB/s is amazing, so we can swap stuff in and our as fast as we can without it really causing us much grief,” said Gilray.
Note that 7850's "memory operates" at around 153 GB/s i.e. from effective 4800 Mhz GDDR5.
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Your interpretation in regards PS4's write memory bandwidth exceeds other dev's statements
AY: It depends what youre doing. GPU, like 40 per cent more powerful. DDR5 is basically 50 per cent more powerful than DDR3, but the memory write [performance] is bigger on Xbox One so it depends on what youre doing.
How is that going to translate to on-screen results for the kinds of games you want to make? So to optimise War Thunder on both consoles you could hypothetically make a better, prettier version on PS4?
AY: Yep.
KY: Probably yes. But again, thats not a very big deal.
Xbox One does, however, boast superior performance to PS4 in other ways. Lets say you are using procedural generation or raytracing via parametric surfaces that is, using a lot of memory writes and not much texturing or ALU Xbox One will be likely be faster, said one developer
Some guy.? there are several sources confirming this..lol
Wow lemming damage controls is astronomical,we all remember how,the weak specs,no used games,online need it and kinect included rumors ended,all confirmed despite lemming refusal to believe it.
He'll keep on denying it even after Activision comes out and admits it. Reminds me of lems hyping dGPU even after MS confirmed there wasn't any dGPU secret sauce.
I present Infinity Ward and you present a guy who used to work for IGN who is currently trolling Major Nelson on Twitter?
Come on guy, I even said "official conformation or nothing".... Activision would equate to "official conformation"
That denial.
The ex-IGN guy.
The guy from Polgyon.
The guy from CheapAssGamer.
Are you just selectively ignoring posts? Do some reading, the CheapAssGamer guy is pretty reliable. The Polygon guy seems really hacked off given he's a bit of an MS fanboy apparently. This isn't coming out of thin air.
The IW statement is an unreliable source itself due to it's age. The game will probably have only just gone gold. They were still developing when that statement was released so is only evidence of what they expected to have achieved at that time not what the resolution is now.
And it's confirmation not conformation btw, conformation is about shape.
Jeff Gertsmann had this to say regarding the ps4 and x1.
If it were purely an objective matter then there wouldn’t be anything to argue about. The PlayStation 4 is a more powerful console. The specs seem to say that fairly clearly and I’ve talked to enough developers that have backed that up after spending time with both. But many of them have also said that the way this will translate into shipping products will be pretty insignificant.
So at some point people are arguing if a resolution difference is significant or not. Up-close on a PC monitor there’s no contest, it’s a big deal. At distance on a TV? Probably less so. They’re also assuming that’s the only actual difference between two versions of a given game, of course.
So yeah, it’s fun to drive by and laugh at the unreleased console because it “can’t handle” higher resolutions, I guess. But I already have enough shit going on in my life, adding a bunch of speculative forum drama to the mix just isn’t on my list. If the games come out and look markedly different to the naked eye due to these reasons, then we can start cracking a billion jokes and funning it up, OK? Until then it’s just people sort of shouting numbers back and forth at each other as if that’s the only thing that matters.
You know what the real problem with this argument is.?
What if IW instead of running the PS4 version at 1080p,actually ran it at 720p,the extra power not use on PS4 could be use to enhance visuals,so if the xbox one version is running 720p mid to low setting the PS4 could be running Ultra to high settings,and at 720p that is something you will notice no matter how far or close you seat from the TV.
Also as of now we don't know if the accepts also took a hit,so is not only the resolution the only thing in question that is one of them.
@ronvalencia said:
Tormentos' memory bandwidth math calculation stupidity.
X1 can add memory bandwidth since it has two memory pools (think of L-shaped/asymmetric multi-memory controllers) while PS4 has a single memory pool with symmetric multi-memory controllers. LOL
I haven't posted any Xbox One running resolution.
Xbox One has other issues besides 16 ROPs or the bandwidth issue from 32 MB ESRAM.
Jeff Gertsmann had this to say regarding the ps4 and x1.
If it were purely an objective matter then there wouldn’t be anything to argue about. The PlayStation 4 is a more powerful console. The specs seem to say that fairly clearly and I’ve talked to enough developers that have backed that up after spending time with both. But many of them have also said that the way this will translate into shipping products will be pretty insignificant.
So at some point people are arguing if a resolution difference is significant or not. Up-close on a PC monitor there’s no contest, it’s a big deal. At distance on a TV? Probably less so. They’re also assuming that’s the only actual difference between two versions of a given game, of course.
So yeah, it’s fun to drive by and laugh at the unreleased console because it “can’t handle” higher resolutions, I guess. But I already have enough shit going on in my life, adding a bunch of speculative forum drama to the mix just isn’t on my list. If the games come out and look markedly different to the naked eye due to these reasons, then we can start cracking a billion jokes and funning it up, OK? Until then it’s just people sort of shouting numbers back and forth at each other as if that’s the only thing that matters.
I've done a practical scientific real life test. Wouldn't mind 720p too much, I haven't for the past six years, not like it's suddenly gonna become worse, but 1080p is noticeably better in my situation. And Jeff plays in his bedroom. That bigger is better ought to be noticeable to him as well.
Although this whole thing is like...I'll buy multiplat games on Playstation instead of Xbox this gen then I guess?
For those planning on only getting an Xbox for whatever reason, your thing's worse, multiplats will perform worse to some degree that may or may not particularly matter.
He'll keep on denying it even after Activision comes out and admits it. Reminds me of lems hyping dGPU even after MS confirmed there wasn't any dGPU secret sauce.
Yeah i remember those hahaha...
@R3FURBISHED said:
I present Infinity Ward and you present a guy who used to work for IGN who is currently trolling Major Nelson on Twitter?
Come on guy, I even said "official conformation or nothing".... Activision would equate to "official conformation"
Yeah just like many presented MS saying not to believe leaks running on the internet only to confirm every leak as true a few months latter.
Dude Ryse was say to be 1080p and with 150,000 polygons characters,fast forward 3 months and Ryse now is 900p and with 85,000 polygon characters.
@cainetao11 said:
So where was the raw power advantage? 360 had the better GPU, you know what everyone is going crazy over this time? And again, Forza 5 is 1080p, so it can do it. If devs other than turn 10 aren't getting it, why isn't it the devs like with PS3? One I nothing is confirmed, its all forum talk at this point, two, it doesn't really matter, three its more hypocrite talk from cows.
And the PS3 had a CPU capable of running GPU task,so while the xenos had to do everything for it sell on xbox 360,Cell handle several task that other wise the RSX would have to do,the end result was the RSX had less stress on it.
Forza 5 is a damn un inpressive game,it has baked effects,no dynamic anything is basically last gen game with higher resolution.
In fact look at the list of 1080p on xbox one.
Fifa,NBA 2k14 Forza...
2 sport games and 1 racing game and all 3 run on engines that are not demanding even on xbox 360 there are 1080p sport games.
Where does says "they are able to extract 172 GB/s" from link http://www.psu.com/a020475/ ?
"It means we don’t have to worry so much about stuff, the fact that the memory operates at around 172GB/s is amazing, so we can swap stuff in and our as fast as we can without it really causing us much grief,” said Gilray.
Note that 7850's "memory operates" at around 153 GB/s i.e. from effective 4800 Mhz GDDR5.
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Your interpretation in regards PS4's write memory bandwidth exceeds other dev's statements
AY: It depends what youre doing. GPU, like 40 per cent more powerful. DDR5 is basically 50 per cent more powerful than DDR3, but the memory write [performance] is bigger on Xbox One so it depends on what youre doing.
How is that going to translate to on-screen results for the kinds of games you want to make? So to optimise War Thunder on both consoles you could hypothetically make a better, prettier version on PS4?
AY: Yep.
KY: Probably yes. But again, thats not a very big deal.
Xbox One does, however, boast superior performance to PS4 in other ways. Lets say you are using procedural generation or raytracing via parametric surfaces that is, using a lot of memory writes and not much texturing or ALU Xbox One will be likely be faster, said one developer
But but but 40% more powerful...lol
720p vs 1080p...and that just resolution lets wait and se actual game quality i don't think the xbox one will run at the same quality either.
i don't think the casual gamer cares if it's 720p or 1080p, BO2 was sub HD and it sold millions.
the question here is if the X1 is capable of 1080p or the consle is hard to develop for because of the ESRAM?
The difference is far bigger this time.
X360 Blops resolution difference from 720p was 288,000 pixels. Xbone difference with 1080p = 1,152,000 pixels.
What's that word? Exponential? The practical impact this has is not a constant. 1 million might equal 300k to some. Depends on variables your math ignores. I.e. distance from how large a screen? Also, I'd say while the difference is noticeable to me at 9 feet from a 55" screen, it's not the god damned end of the world. At 7 feet, we might need to send Bruce Willis to space.
720, 900, 1080.... if the games are great I won't care. But if its 1080p and sucks, I still won't want it. Having said that, exclusives, features, and Kinect are why I want the One. Looks great from what I have seen and actually played, but no doubt the PS4 is a more powerful graphics powerhouse. For the record I think the rumors are likely true. I wish MS would just admit it and then get on with the business of showing their games and optimizing the One for devs. I want Titanfall, Halo 5, and Quantum Break to be the best they can. But all this hiding resolutions and stuff, provided its true, is getting dumb. MS should make their stand on the quality of the games and not the damn resolution, IMHO.
Agreed.
If this all winds up being true, then MS needs to just come out and admit it so they can put it all behind them.
Then they can try and move on past this bad press mojo they have been making since the Xbone announcement and focus on making great games.
Anyone that pays $500 for the Xbone or that has supported MS/Xbox over the years deserves honesty at the least.....and amazing games.
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